I did the firmware up date everything loaded fine this time and got the download done prompt . Hooked it back up ...still the only satellites listed in the setup menu are Echostar and Nimiq satellites and no 97W or any other "normal" FTA .

I don't think the firmware worked.

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Setup Home: Direct TV since 2001
75cm Dish w/ single LNB for 74West
Orion 75 cm Dish dual LNB for 97West
World Direct Dish single LNB for 72West
WS7630 75cm Dish single LNB for 103West
Fortec, Viewsat and Visionsat receivers

* Avatar is Macy's Satellite Network on 105W.

>>>> Everyone should look into upgrading their OTA capabilities and get a deep fringe outdoor antenna ( with a rotator) and use a 30 db MAST MOUNTED amp. This adds a new dimension to the meaning of "FTA".