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Dr. Pepper 6044
02-09-2012, 08:48 PM
Hello, The origional thread of this name is very old by now.

I've not been on here for a long time because I've been successful in all the G19 aims, thankfully!

The old thread still has all my stresses, as well as some others'.

I am stumped again. I'll describe below.

Similar to an install of a year and a half ago, I was faced with finding the satellite in a 'hole in the trees' in S.E. Georgia. An origional AMC4 install had been removed and a new WS dish had been installed in the same place unsucessfully. I tried to salvage that and could not get a sq above 10% or so. Checked the usual things, all seeming fine. I use a First Strike meter. I use an iPad with DishPointer. My son also has a satellite finder on an Android phone. Both show G19 right in an open space between the tall Georgia pines.

Last week, I got a new tripod speaker stand with very good, smooth azimuth adjustment. It also allows very fine adjustment of elevation by slightly tilting the post on the front legs. I put the old GS dish that caused so much stress before and after work, got quite good results 50% and higher sq on the tps we like. I took it to the lady's home and tried it on the post where the origional dish was. No sq over 10%. :-( Similar results in other locations in her back yard.

Yesterday evening I assembled a new Glorystar dish. I mounted it on my speaker stand. I set it beside the dish that finally hit on a lock back in 2010 and hasn't been touched since. (The history of this site is described in the old thread.) I locked almost immediately and hooked the cable into the house and had 55% and higher on all tps. Didn't finely tune.

This morning, I took the same new dish assembly and tripod and set it up in the driveway, away from the trees. Reconfirmed the G19 location with DishPointer. I searched and got only 10% or so sq. I tried in other places in the yard. Same result. I then put the new dish on the stand in the origional location and got similar poor readings. I put the 'new' ws dish back on the stand,, same low sq.

I left there and took my tripod stand and new dish to an open sky area about 2 miles away. It locked with good sq's on most tp's.

Bottom line: I have 2 GS dishes that can be set up at my home. One of them also sets up with good results in another location near the customer's home. (She lives 85 miles straight east of me.) All dishes check out for warpage with pulled tape. I've used 3 different lnbf's. Skew adjustments of the lnbf have only minimal effect. can find nowhere within her yard that shows any difference on my FS meter. I think that if the trees were a problem, the results would at least vary some with different positioning around the yard.

I have pictures of the DP search, the yard, and the dish setting. I will try to post them here from my iPad.

I'm willing to try anything.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

Brian, if you read this, I have some feedback on the new dish hardware and my last order experience. I may have overlooked the e-mail for sales at Glorystar.

Stargazer
02-10-2012, 12:24 AM
I had issues finding it last year and what worked for me was after locking onto the other two frequencies that glorystar recommends I moved the dish to the right (facing the dish) slightly and 11842 came right in.

Did you access the target azimuth in the first picture with DishPointer? How did you get to that?

Dr. Pepper 6044
02-10-2012, 01:11 AM
Let me clarify: I got good signals in 2 locations with one portable tripod dish/FS1. The other site (a customer's house) I could not get any 'lock' with 3 different dishes. In locations where I can get good signals, I do the 'balance' between 11842, 12152 and 12115(I think.. it is next in my meter).

The first picture is from my son's Android phone app. I don't know the name of it. The others were from DishPointger on iPad.


Thanks for a quick comment. I am not giving up. :-)

I remember you being in WV.. Charleston is my home. My brother died 2 weeks ago and now, I have almost no reason to visit there anymore.

Later,

Glorystar1
02-10-2012, 01:45 AM
The compasses may be affected by a geo disturbance and you could be aiming incorrectly. I have been in a few locations where compasses were 20 - 30 degrees off and have wasted hours.....

Try an app on your iPad/iPhone called Mr. Sun. This app will calculate the sun azimuth and elevation at a given date and time. Calculate when the sun azimuth is aligned with the satellite position provided by the DishPointer app. Great tool to use the sun to verify the compass accuracy. Example: If satellite G19 is at 206W azimuth, see what time the sun will be at 206w azimuth. Be at the install location at that time to see if the sun is visible and the elevation of G19 is clear for the desired dish install location.

The compass on my iPhone has been wrong.....

Stargazer
02-10-2012, 11:11 PM
Might want to make sure there are no metal objects around as well and perhaps go to different spots in the yard to see if dishpointer shows different results. I've noticed mine show a little different result around metal.

Glorystar1
02-11-2012, 11:00 AM
A few more thoughts.....

Since G19 is less than 10 degrees physically to the East and in your region 2 degrees higher than SES1, most likely the location of the customer's original dish might still work. Was the original location shooting through an extremely narrow window between the trees?

Have you tried receiving SES1 from the original position? If SES1 can be received, mark the mast and the elevation scale. Tilt the dish up 2 degrees and pan east about 7 degrees to receive G19. Sight up the lower LNBF arm. Is it aimed into the trees?

It would be a great reference to take a photo with DishPointer from directly behind the dish in the original dish location when aimed at SES1.

Dr. Pepper 6044
02-12-2012, 09:35 AM
Good morning,

Thanks for your help and consideration.

I put Mr. Sun on my wife's iPad. I found that on the days I was there that the sun was at about 213 degrees and at a similar elevation as is G19. I will re-evaluate those numbers and times to be exact the next time I'm there. (85miles to the east)

One of the pictures above coincidently was taken when the sun was near the projected G19 location.

About magnetic compasses: My son said he had to recalibrate his compass in his android phone while taking the image displayed above. He feels this image is accurate. The DP designation agrees. I walked around the area with a Glorystar supplied compass and found it variable, but at the post site, it pointed 213 at the displayed window in the trees. .... Are all three compasses influenced by some extraneous magnetic field? This is a residential area. No known large industrial functions are nearby.

I walked around the yard with the iPad and found the G19 target consistently in the same area. I walked around the yard with my tripod mount and the new dish/lnbf/First Strike meter combination. The results were consistent everywhere I checked. There is a large open area across the street. I will try over there next time.

Yes, Brian, I'm attemptig to install the new dish on the exact post where the previous successful AMC4 dish was. It looks through the window in the trees displayed in the images above. I'm sure the trees have grown some since that install. I just don't understand why with a very smooth and wide sweeping tripod mount, I get the same results anywhere in the yard, some where the displayed G19 location is in wide open sky.

RE: Looking at the wrong satellite: At one point, I was panning well off my expected aim point and got good sq on one of the tp's I think 12177. I connected to the receiver inside the house. (WS supplied unit) No signal. I replaced it with a GeoSat 200c. It showed good sq, but no image. I think I was looking at another satellite with the same tp settings with different channel parameters. Please confirm for me a meter setting that is workable on 101W SES1 that is unique to 101W and not on 97W. I have f12060, sr26700 lo10750 and 13v V. Is there a handy way I can tune the Glorystar receivers to display a channel on101W?

Images 2&3 above are taken looking up the lnbf arm. Image 5 is looking up at the window in the trees from in front of the dish.

About the posted images: Image 2 shows a prolific magnolia limb that came down in front of the dish. I cut that limb off.

I'll be going back there soon and will post my findings.

Thanks!

Brian, what is an e-mail where I can comment on my last purchase from Glorystar and hardware changes?

Glorystar1
02-12-2012, 03:01 PM
About magnetic compasses: My son said he had to recalibrate his compass in his android phone while taking the image displayed above. He feels this image is accurate. The DP designation agrees. I walked around the area with a Glorystar supplied compass and found it variable, but at the post site, it pointed 213 at the displayed window in the trees. .... Are all three compasses influenced by some extraneous magnetic field? This is a residential area. No known large industrial functions are nearby.
Regional magnetic interference would likely affect all compasses used at that location. It could be as simple as iron ore in the ground, a nearby air conditioner, power line or transformer. I was suggesting verifying the previous SES1 aiming or Mr Sun to be used to verify the compass and DishPointer readings. The sun cannot tell a lie..... :D


I'm attemptig to install the new dish on the exact post where the previous successful AMC4 dish was. It looks through the window in the trees displayed in the images above.

Verify the window opening with Mr Sun or by re-aiming for SES1


RE: Looking at the wrong satellite: At one point, I was panning well off my expected aim point and got good sq on one of the tp's I think 12177. I connected to the receiver inside the house. (WS supplied unit) No signal. I replaced it with a GeoSat 200c. It showed good sq, but no image. I think I was looking at another satellite with the same tp settings with different channel parameters.
That is why we suggest using Glorystar channel 901 (12152MHz) for locating the satellite. This channel/transponder is unique will not provide a false reading on any other satellite as long as the polarity skew is approximately set.


Please confirm for me a meter setting that is workable on 101W SES1 that is unique to 101W and not on 97W. I have f12060, sr26700 lo10750 and 13v V. Is there a handy way I can tune the Glorystar receivers to display a channel on101W?
Go into the GEOSATpro advanced mode and select SES1 KU and transponder 12120 V 30000. This is a strong and unique transponder for SES1. Transponder 12060 is no longer active and would not give you a reading on SES1. You should delete it from your meter.



what is an e-mail where I can comment on my last purchase from Glorystar and hardware changes?
If you received two mast clamps with your previous order, use the mast clamp that was shipped outside of the assemble parts box on the LNBF arm. This clamp has the hole stamped "A" drilled in the center of the clamp and not the other clamp that has the hole "A" offset from the center. While both can be used, the clamp with the centered hole will be easier to align as the manufacturer had mistakenly offset this hole and it did not align correctly in the butterfly bracket.

Please email you comments and/or suggestions to either sales@glorystar.tv or support@glorystar.tv

Good luck!

wescopc
02-13-2012, 04:36 PM
Pepper - have you tried Satellite Finder / Dish Pointing Calculator with Google Maps | DishPointer.com (http://www.dishpointer.com)
I have found that when the picture resolution is good enough to clearly see the house - the azimuth line is very accurate!
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Bob

Dr. Pepper 6044
02-13-2012, 08:13 PM
Thank you Glorystar1.

I certainly respect the impact random issues of ferrous materials can have on any compass reading. I plan to go back to the Statesboro location on Wednesday. I'll time my visit to verify the azimuth aim direction with the sun and will try to find SES1. Thank you for the correct meter settings for finding 12152 on 97W and 12120 on 101W. Your counsel on searching is so correct. I have gotten lazy because I could find the satellite in areas where it is not as ELUSIVE as it is at my house. When I find a similar situation, I need this to go back to the basics. Again, Thank you!

I did notice 2 mast clamps, then evaluated the one I had chosen and felt it was correct. Your description of the difference confirmed I was right.

Wescopc.. Bob.. Thanks for the comments about DishPointer. I have been to the site you link to. I confirmed there the way points for my home as well as the one in Statesboro. Both maps don't place the point at the correct house. I'm uploading images of both locations. The second image is of my house in the lower right corner of the image. The indicated line of site for G19 originates down the road a ways but is quite parallel with where my functioning dish is pointed. The other image (customer's house) is also centered down the street, but aims at a very different azimuth from where the original AMC4 dish was pointed.

I have a serious issue to resolve.
A: The original AMC4 aimed dish looked one way into a small window in tall trees. Satellite finder in an Android phone and DishPointer in iPad both place G19 in the same window.
B: The DishPointer site aims the dish some 30 degrees to the west from the original. The current attempts to lock on either G19 or SES1 in the same window have been unsuccessful. (I'll try again with Brian's updated meter settings.)

I have work to do!!

Y'all stay with me. I'll keep you posted.
Thanks, Bill

Reigster at SatelliteGuys