Since the Blu-ray vs HD DVD s/w sales figures haven't swung over 90:10 and HD DVD titles are supposed to still continue to be released to the end of May (Warner), perhaps this zone should continue a bit longer.

Please take your pick:

Close the HD DVD / Blu-ray WAR ZONE on 3/31/08.

Keep it open until 5/31/08.

Keep it open until the end of the month following whenever the figures top 90:10.

Keep it open indefinitely. It will die off naturally- then close it.


I may continue to post the sales figures after the War Zone closes, but in the Blu-ray forum. I suspect those figures will continue to be published thru the first half of this year, at least.

Note that this poll closes 4/15/08, unless it's archived sooner.

Since the Blu-ray vs HD DVD s/w sales figures haven't swung over 90:10 and HD DVD titles are supposed to still continue to be released to the end of May (Warner), perhaps this zone should continue a bit longer.

Please take your pick:

Close the HD DVD / Blu-ray WAR ZONE on 3/31/08.

Keep it open until 5/31/08.

Keep it open until the end of the month following whenever the figures top 90:10.

Keep it open indefinitely. It will die off naturally- then close it.


I may continue to post the sales figures after the War Zone closes, but in the Blu-ray forum. I suspect those figures will continue to be published thru the first half of this year, at least.

I say go ahead and close it as announced.
The figures for sales would be nice. Particularly if we can get some real numbers (going beyond when HD-DVD sales drop off). Might give us some Idea how Blu-Ray is doing against DVD. Of course at this point its probably 1 % or less of DVD sales.

When you post a poll, the body of text gets "published" first. Then you write up the poll part with options to be selected. So there's always a gap between the thread first appearing and the actual poll questions appearing.

If we can count on any sort of Blu-ray vs DVD comparison figures being reliably published I'm sure I or someone else will start to post them. eproductwars has begun publishing some info- but it would be nice if Nielsen would track it (probably already are) and HMM or somebody publish it each week or month.

It's nice people are voting- but no comments?

Even "Lost" has an end date.

We all did good work here but it's time to put this one in the VHS/Beta file and move on to the next thing.

Adios my amigo!

Keep it open indefinately or until BluRay catches on or dies.

Open Open Open.

90:10 will signal the change from the burning black smoke from the fire that is HDDVD going down in flames turning into the white smoke of a fire that has run out of fuel/is being extinguished.

Could draw a parallel between how the studios decided the format war instead of the consumers and the people deciding to close this forum instead of it's participants.

If a thread was just closed in the BD forum with 'take it to the War Zone' there's obviously still a need in some people's eyes.

Unfortunately the people that wander into this forum are more likely to want it to remain open than the general satelliteguys.us popuulation.

My vote is to close it. At this point it is justa place for the HD DVD diehards to attack BD and for the pro BD population to tell them that they are hopelessly biased. Neither of these things has any real point.

My vote is to close it. At this point it is justa place for the HD DVD diehards to attack BD and for the pro BD population to tell them that they are hopelessly biased. Neither of these things has any real point.

I couldn't agree more. The format "war" is over. HD DVD is no longer part of the equation, beyond nostalgia. The only thing left to discuss is the virtues/vices/sustainability of the BD format which can now all take place under the Blu-ray forum.

I couldn't agree more. The format "war" is over. HD DVD is no longer part of the equation, beyond nostalgia. The only thing left to discuss is the virtues/vices/sustainability of the BD format which can now all take place under the Blu-ray forum.
I say keep it open, I have a bad feeling that the Blu-ray forum will turn into blu-ray.com with plenty of cries to ban people for anything BD fanboys disagree with!!! Proof, here in the war zone any article that shows alternitives is instantly attacked as bias, slanted or improperly worded. Even Bill Shill is having concerns.

Does anyone really see that crying going away. I see no reason why those feelings will go away considering its been deeply ingrained in BD fanboys mental makup from day one of the warzone. Sony purchased the victory aided by WB and I accept that but PLEASE don't turn this thing into a junior version of BD.com!

I say keep it open, I have a bad feeling that the Blu-ray forum will turn into blu-ray.com with plenty of cries to ban people for anything BD fanboys disagree with!!! Proof, here in the war zone any article that shows alternitives is instantly attacked as bias, slanted or improperly worded. Even Bill Shill is having concerns.

Does anyone really see that crying going away. I see no reason why those feelings will go away considering its been deeply ingrained in BD fanboys mental makup from day one of the warzone. Sony purchased the victory aided by WB and I accept that but PLEASE don't turn this thing into a junior version of BD.com!

Unless the mods ban someone for improper posts/language, I don't think anyone or anything will stop someone from posting any on-topic opinions they have in any thread in these forums. Of course, any opinion stated opens the poster up to opposing views from other posters. That's just the way it works. If you would like to commiserate with other BD-haters without any opposition, I suggest you find an anti-BD forum or start your own.

Wow. Sudden surge of votes to close on time.

I fear a "too early" closing will just result in the Blu-ray forum becoming a War Zone. The Fat Lady has a long, long aria going on.

Well the truth be told there is just no shutting up tthe fat ladies around here. Why move the date for them.

heck as it si some of the threads here are really appropriate for the BD forum as they don't really discuss HD DVD.

Close it. The posts belong in the BD forum.

The War is over. Whether we like that or not. There is really no point in arguing about which format is/was better any longer. So what would be the point in keeping the War Zone open?

We can keep the HD DVD forum alive as long as needed. And I see no problem in posting the sales figures in corresponding forums. (Though other than satisfying our curiosity, that would serve no purpose now.)

Personally, I don't see much point in this, but if enough people insist, we can extend the life of this War Zone for some more time...

The problem right now is that no critism of anything is allowed in the other forums. The BD forum needs to be open to the point of people being able to criticize. Like the PS3 critcal article moved to the war zone!

If the mods are tired and site owners sick of the bickering that breaks out regularly in the war zone (I'd completely
understand both parties) - closing this forum for good is the right solution and the right time.

But I think another forum - something like "Movie/Video/Audio formats, media and delivery methods" - that would cover everything from
VHS to DVD to BD to downloads (and everything in between) and how they compare, could host the continuation of some topics in this forum.

Just my $.02

Diogen.

But I think another forum - something like "Movie/Video/Audio formats, media and delivery methods" - that would cover everything from
VHS to DVD to BD to downloads (and everything in between) and how they compare, could host the continuation of some topics in this forum.

Just my $.02

Diogen.

Good idea.

S~

Well, this IS an auspicious occasion....

Navychop and I are in whole hearted agreement on an issue.

Keep it open....

Well, this IS an auspicious occasion....

Navychop and I are in whole hearted agreement on an issue.

Keep it open....

I also agree.

The problem right now is that no critism of anything is allowed in the other forums. The BD forum needs to be open to the point of people being able to criticize. Like the PS3 critcal article moved to the war zone!
Great point, if the warzone is removed there would have been nowhere to dump the PS3 article. At that point the mods will have to crack down in some way. How, I don’t know but we’ve all heard the horror stories of trying to regulate a forum. Is the definition of a forum to simply cheer for a specific topic, or is it to have discussions about anything that deals with that topic? Most would argue that talking about the PS3 playback quality was a BD only issue, but it was moved to the warzone. I find it hard to believe that in the future more of these types of articles or concerns will come up. Will all BD concerns be moved, deleted or frowned upon. To me it just seems like deleting the warzone is setting the stage for future problems with how to govern the forum. No doubt resulting in hard feelings whether it be BD fans who only want to cheer, or the other side who have legitimate concerns.

Looks like those who wanted to keep the forum open for now have won. See Scott's reprieve notice.
http://www.satelliteguys.us/hd-dvd-blu-ray-war-zone/129845-dear-friends.html

Thanks to all!

I vote to close it. There is no more format war and there is only a need to discuss the direction BD is heading and what can be done to improve the format. And that can be done in the BD forum.

I vote to close it. There is no more format war and there is only a need to discuss the direction BD is heading and what can be done to improve the format. And that can be done in the BD forum.

Too late... :)

What a surprise, Joe wants to squelch all anti-BluRay conversation.

As long as there is still any HD DVD content out there (OK, more than 5% of HD Disc based media sold), it should stick around...

I vote to close it. There is no more format war and there is only a need to discuss the direction BD is heading and what can be done to improve the format. And that can be done in the BD forum.
What about concerns???

Maybe a regular HD-DVD area for product concerns, but those likely would not need to be in a war zone.

I voted and lobbied to keep it open so the BD problems could be discussed openly and not swept under the rug..agreed with navychops posts, and agree with the posts that gradually we can shift focus...

I for one have always been an advocate of free speech. If you do not like BluRay then don't buy it. Nobody is holding a gun to your head. Every cable and satelite sevice now provides you with plenty of HD movie viewing opportunity. And there will be more providers just over the horizon. I like BD -- heck I like'd HD-DVD -- they just did not have enough studio support to get into the 3rd turn of the race. We now have one HD disc based medium to discuss, support or rail against. The name of this forum will have to be change because HD-DVD is no longer around. Perhaps we can call the the BD vs Anything Else War Zone for those of you who need a place to go to express your dislike of BluRay. Personally I just watched the move about Lafayette's Escadrille Squadron on BD (I just can't think of the name right now) and the movie and sound was fantastic. And I even watched the extras on the disc as this movie was based on real life American heros during WWI!

I voted to close it, but it does seems there is still some residual discussion around the topic as HD DVD supporters still feel a need to vent their frustrations and point to BDs flaws, so perhaps an extension is indeed warranted... though not indefinitely. Perhaps by that May 31 deadline listed in the polls we will all be ready to move on.

I voted to close it, but it does seems there is still some residual discussion around the topic as HD DVD supporters still feel a need to vent their frustrations and point to BDs flaws, so perhaps an extension is indeed warranted... though not indefinitely. Perhaps by that May 31 deadline listed in the polls we will all be ready to move on.
You think all BD flaws go away after May 31? Closing the warzone will cause alot of hard feelings and lead to added moderation. Behind the scenes PM’s to get people banned. I refer to Joe’s post that prove there is no tolerance for dissent.


there is only a need to discuss the direction BD is heading and what can be done to improve the format. And that can be done in the BD forum.

Close IT!

Another vote for close it.

You think all BD flaws go away after May 31? Closing the warzone will cause alot of hard feelings and lead to added moderation. Behind the scenes PM’s to get people banned. I refer to Joe’s post that prove there is no tolerance for dissent.



Aha! The path has become clear, Grasshopper. Those of us who no longer see a need for this forum should simply withdraw ourselves from these pointless discussions that keep rehashing the same old gripes about BD. Therefore, allowing this forum to die a natural death.

Thankfully the mods had the foresight (with a little nudging) to see closing the warzone would turn the BD forum into a warzone. Can you imagine the crying is that happened? All you out there can save your votes the decision has been made. All is well.

Thankfully the mods had the foresight (with a little nudging) to see closing the warzone would turn the BD forum into a warzone. Can you imagine the crying is that happened? All you out there can save your votes the decision has been made. All is well.

-10.

I can see you QQ'ing on the BD forums 24/7..

Moving on, its cool to see the warzone going, it will keep the BD forums troll-free.
I am sure over the next few months more and more people will start accepting Blu-ray into their homes.

-10.

I can see you QQ'ing on the BD forums 24/7..

Moving on, its cool to see the warzone going, it will keep the BD forums troll-free.
I am sure over the next few months more and more people will start accepting Blu-ray into their homes.
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I don’t call voicing opinions about concerns trolling. All of us are not cheerleaders. Sony purchased the war and now most consumers are forced to make this decision to buy. So if downloading doesn’t catch on or the new cell based upconverters aren’t as advertised, I think it’s more then valid for us to iron out these concerns.

Encarta English Dictionary
Forum: a medium in which the public may debate an issue or express opinions
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How about changing the title to "Blu-ray vs no-ray war zone"?