View Full Version : Lets hope this engine is legit
If what this guy has built is real and the projected potential then opecs in trouble.
Video (http://www.wpbf.com/video/16766229/index.html?source=CNN)
mperdue
07-04-2008, 03:22 PM
If what this guy has built is real and the projected potential then opecs in trouble.
Video (http://www.wpbf.com/video/16766229/index.html?source=CNN)
Unfortunately I've seen reports like this far too many times to get excited.
charper1
07-04-2008, 03:28 PM
Well, the fact he is an official entrant in the X-prize may hold some validity to his claims; good luck to him. If it becomes reality; I will be 1st in line.
I'd like to be an investor in it,
vurbano
07-05-2008, 06:18 AM
110 mpg and 0-60 in 3 seconds? You cant be that gullable. :rolleyes:
AllieVi
07-05-2008, 08:41 AM
110 mpg and 0-60 in 3 seconds? You cant be that gullable. :rolleyes:Apparently, many like to think a bubba can figure out how to do in his back yard what the entire world's combined engineering talent in well-equipped labs can't.
stevenl
07-05-2008, 08:49 AM
A jet that can fly faster then the speed of sound? your nuts! A plane big enough to carry tanks around? you got to be nuts. A boat big enough for jets to land on? your nuts.... A computer in every home? your nuts.
"No one will need more than 640 kb of memory for a personal computer" Bill Gates
Bob Haller
07-05-2008, 08:51 AM
the fellow in charge of the patent office tried closing it a 100 years ago, claiming everything has now been invented.
obviously he wasnt a big government type of person.....
mperdue
07-05-2008, 06:19 PM
A jet that can fly faster then the speed of sound? your nuts! A plane big enough to carry tanks around? you got to be nuts. A boat big enough for jets to land on? your nuts.... A computer in every home? your nuts.
"No one will need more than 640 kb of memory for a personal computer" Bill Gates
And who was saying "you're nuts?" It certainly wasn't the engineers - they were busy building aircraft carriers, cargo planes, the X-1 and microprocessors. I don't recall any of them being built by a couple of good 'ol boys in their garage.
Mario
VinceT3
07-05-2008, 06:25 PM
the personal computer was built in a garage...
nsaspook
07-05-2008, 06:43 PM
the personal computer was built in a garage...
Personal Computer Milestones (http://www.blinkenlights.com/pc.shtml)
http://members.fortunecity.com/pcmuseum/micro.htm
VinceT3
07-05-2008, 06:58 PM
pc didn't catch on till the software (ms-dos & apple's mac) came out.. mac's first few pc's were wooden boxes.. ah the days..
needless to say they didn't invent the pc concept, but from their garages they made it a house hold name.. this guy may have something.. even if it were half what he was saying it's still impressive..
i know some of my wacky friends have started splitting up water into some hydrogen & oxygen and directly porting it into their engines.. they've seen modest improvements of 5-10 mpg so you never know..
nsaspook
07-05-2008, 11:20 PM
pc didn't catch on till the software (ms-dos & apple's mac) came out.. mac's first few pc's were wooden boxes.. ah the days..
needless to say they didn't invent the pc concept, but from their garages they made it a house hold name.. this guy may have something.. even if it were half what he was saying it's still impressive..
i know some of my wacky friends have started splitting up water into some hydrogen & oxygen and directly porting it into their engines.. they've seen modest improvements of 5-10 mpg so you never know..
PC computer hardware progress for at least 30 years has been mainly a CMOS engineering problem. This "engine" would be like the discovery of the bipolar transistor or basic IC chip process that you win a Nobel prize for.
Bipolar junction transistor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipolar_junction_transistor)
Jack Kilby - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Kilby)
CMOS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMOS)
mperdue
07-06-2008, 04:05 PM
the personal computer was built in a garage...
If you were responding to me please note that I said microprocessor, not personal computer. The microprocessor was not built in someone's garage and is required for all of today's personal computers to function.
Mario
navychop
07-06-2008, 04:38 PM
Sadly, the patent office will likely issue him some patents, regardless of any technical merits. He'll then get funding from some rubes and "develop it further" for a while. Then when it fails to perform, it'll quietly go away and then the conspiracy guys will claim "big oil" suppressed it. :rolleyes:
Voyager6
07-07-2008, 08:53 AM
I put more credence in hydrogen fuel cell technology. This is a proven technology. It just needs to be refined and reduced in size to fit most cars. Here is one example. YouTube - Water powered engine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9iWaCMbw60)
I hope someone figures out some way to increase fuel mileage.
AllieVi
07-07-2008, 09:54 AM
Sadly, the patent office will likely issue him some patents, regardless of any technical merits. He'll then get funding from some rubes and "develop it further" for a while. Then when it fails to perform, it'll quietly go away and then the conspiracy guys will claim "big oil" suppressed it. :rolleyes:Yes, that’s the way it typically goes. A never-ending supply of rubes willing to throw their money at this type of venture will always exist. On the plus side, the original developer gets to pursue a dream and the rubes get to live in hope of eventual wealth that’s always just out of reach.
vurbano
07-07-2008, 09:59 AM
I hope someone figures out some way to increase fuel mileage.
And achieve 0-60 in 3 seconds? Bologna. Many 12 cylinder high perfomance cars cant do it in 3 seconds. Tell me which one of these cars does 0-60 in 3 seconds? http://www.newcoolcars.com/fast-cars/
Fast Cars
http://www.newcoolcars.com/top-10-coolest-cars/saleen-s7.jpg Saleen S7 Twin Turbo
When you talk about Fast Cars the new Saleen S7 Twin Turbo is maybe the fastest. It has a 0-60 time of 3.3 seconds and 750 hp. It can accomplish the quarter mile in 10.6 seconds. This beast will knock your socks off with speed and looks that can kill.
McLaren F1 - The fastest car in the world until 2005
http://www.newcoolcars.com/top-10-coolest-cars/mclaren-f1.jpg
The McLaren F1 has 627 hp and a top speed of over 240 mph. The McLaren F1 is extremely fast and very light . This car has a zero to sixty time of 3.3 seconds. Made mostly of carbon fiber this car is so lightweight and fast you'll lose your mind!
Dodge Viper
http://www.newcoolcars.com/top-10-coolest-cars/viper.jpg
The Viper has just recently upped the horsepower to 600 in the new 2008 Dodge Viper. The Viper has a zero to sixty time of 4.0 seconds and can do a 1/4 mile in 12 seconds. This car has a top speed of 194 and torque torque torque! This car is pure power.
Ferrari 360 Modena / Ferrari 430 Modena - Best Regular Production Ferrari Ever
http://www.newcoolcars.com/top-10-coolest-cars/ferrari-360.jpg
The Ferrari 360 and 430 Modena has 400 hp in the F360 and 483 hp in the F430. Car and Driver magazine tested the Ferrari F430 and had a 0-60 time of 3.5 seconds. This makes the car the second fastest Ferrari ever, behind only the Ferrari Enzo which is 1 million dollars. The sound from the engine is amazing. With the F1 transmission these cars simply "Fly" off the line and you are gone!
Ferrari Enzo
http://www.newcoolcars.com/top-10-coolest-cars/ferrari-enzo.jpg
The fastest street legal Ferrari ever, The Enzo has 651 horsepower and a 0-60 time of 3.3 seconds. This car is just amazing to look at and is super fast. At 1 million a pop it isnt an every day driver but it's still a super cool car.
Lamborghini Murcielago Roadster
http://www.newcoolcars.com/top-10-coolest-cars/lamborghini-murcielago-roadster.jpg
The Lamborghini Murcielago Roadster has a 580 horsepower. The lambo has a 0 - 60 time of 3.4 seconds and is just a hair faster than a diablo which is 3.6 seconds. This car is just an amazing car, nothing turns heads like this car. Super fast and hot looks this car is an awesome fast car.
Anyone that believes that hick needs their head examined. And anyone that thinks you are going to do it and get 110 mpg needs to be committed.
hokiecb
07-07-2008, 10:05 AM
...I don't recall any of them being built by a couple of good 'ol boys in their garage.
Have you ever heard of the wright brothers? Maybe not a garage but I think a bicycle shop and a shack on the beach come close.
truckracer
07-07-2008, 10:06 AM
Looked like a Holley carb on a smallblock ford V8. I bet that thing does not get 12 mpg.
He may have some super high compression running E85. He may get decent mileage for what it is.
0-60 3 seconds...Ha (Not in a mustang)LOL (my buddies with '03-'04 terminator cobras with superchargers can't run that kind of time). I am hard pressed to believe this guy is getting that kind of accelleration out of a normally asperated engine even in a lightweight car.
I have always had V8 muscle cars of several types. They get terrible mileage even if you run sensible gears in the rear axle.
I have had cars that would run at the track turn those kind of times. Not really streetable.
My 2005 GTO however with mods (6.0L LS2 v8, 6 speed manual) will get 28 mpg! IF you keep your foot out of it and drive a steady 65-70 mph without A/C turned on. 25mpg under most normal interstate cruising climbing hills.
That is legendary mileage imo for an engine making a little less than 500 hp and 430lb ft torque. my best 0-60 time yet with slicks on the rear has been 4.2 or so (depending on outdoor temperature and track conditions).
Maybe this guy may be onto something (hopefully) Our country needs a solution.
That mileage is pretty good for a modern v8, I had a 65 new yorker with a 413 and an edelbrock 650 performer that I got 17mpg out of it after alot of work tuning it up. The stock carter 4bl would not let the car go past 75 but with the edelbrock I had no problems getting it to 100.
The statement he made about 3 seconds seemed more like " I dont really know, maybe its this" kind of statement or he's intentionaly putting out misinformation but hey its all speculation really.
charper1
07-07-2008, 06:45 PM
And achieve 0-60 in 3 seconds? Bologna. Many 12 cylinder high perfomance cars cant do it in 3 seconds. Tell me which one of these cars does 0-60 in 3 seconds? Fast Cars, 0-60 times, Stats, and much more - From New Cool Cars (http://www.newcoolcars.com/fast-cars/)
Anyone that believes that hick needs their head examined. And anyone that thinks you are going to do it and get 110 mpg needs to be committed.
How in the world do you leave the production 1018-HP Koenigsegg CCXR out of all that photo rant You need to thumnail those)? LOL (€1,575,000, plus taxes and fees, to take it home.) BUT... 0-60 in 2.9 sec.
V8 cast aluminium, 4 valves per cylinder, double overhead cam.
Compression: 8.2:1
Fuel: 98 octane / E85 (biofuel)
Power output: 1018 Bhp at 7.200 rpm.
Maximum torque: 1060 Nm (740ftlb) at 6.100 rpm.
Acceleration: 0-100 km/h (0–62 mph) 2.9 seconds.
Top speed: 400+ km/h (250+ mph).
Braking distance: 31m (100–0 km/h)
Lateral G-force: 1.4 G
Fuel consumption: Highway travel: 18 l/100 km Combined: 22 l/100 km
charper1
07-07-2008, 06:49 PM
Production Zero to 60 & 1/4 Miles Times
0-60 and 1/4 mile times for Factory Stock Vehicles (http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60times.html)
2002 Chevrolet Corvette (Lingenfelter 427 twin turbo) 1.97 (listed for fun)
Cars similarly built (although FACTORY / not this guy's tweaking) that come close to the time., NOT the MPG. (I have not searched them all)
2001 Chevrolet Corvette C5-R 3.5
1987 Buick Regal GNX 4.7
2005 Pontiac GTO LS2 4.6
1990 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 4.4
2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 4.1
2005 Chevrolet Corvette C6 4.2
2006 Chevrolet Corvette ZO6 3.5
2007 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 3.7
There is a whole range of "affordable" Porsche in the sub 4sec class.
navychop
07-08-2008, 08:41 AM
Strange. That link seems to have left out the Smart Car. ;)
mperdue
07-08-2008, 03:20 PM
Have you ever heard of the wright brothers? Maybe not a garage but I think a bicycle shop and a shack on the beach come close.
Yes, I've heard of them but they did none of the things that were listed in the original post I was responding to.
Mario
Cave + man with monobrow + no tv + crude tools + alot of time and nothing to do + stone = wheel :p
jayn_j
07-08-2008, 05:50 PM
Cave + man with monobrow + no tv + crude tools + alot of time and nothing to do + stone = wheel :p
The wheel gets all the credit. People nbeen rolling stuff over round logs for a long time. The real advancement was the axle. ;)
charper1
07-08-2008, 07:19 PM
The real advancement was the axle. ;)
I say LUBE was the real advancement!!
ooops, wrong thread..
navychop
07-08-2008, 07:31 PM
:up:up
Skibum
07-08-2008, 08:07 PM
This is my supercar at a subcar price: Welcome to Ariel Atom (http://www.arielatom.com)
0-60 mph : 2.7 seconds (manufacturer's claim)
Top Speed: 140 mph, 225 km/h (155 mph, 249 km/h supercharged)
Power: 245 bhp @ 8200 rmp (300 bhp supercharged)
Torque: 210 Nm @ 6100 rpm
Weight: 456 kg (1,005 lb)
Transmission: Honda six-speed with reverse
Price: £20,000/£29,000 supercharged (cost in the US is over $65,000)
Video in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaWoo82zNUA
See also, an air-powered car! MilkandCookies - The Compressed Air Engine and Air Car (http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/114552/detail/)
charper1
07-08-2008, 08:12 PM
$65k USD? Can't you get a Vette for that and still be in the same general speed ratings (3/4 of sec slower)? Heck and the Vette is likely far safer, can be driven in the rain and can haul a DATE.
Skibum
07-08-2008, 08:12 PM
$65k USD? Can't you get a Vette for that?
Oh yes, but this looks much more fun. :D
Paradox-SJ
07-08-2008, 08:23 PM
Tesla Motors (http://www.teslamotors.com/)
They build these up the street from me:
0 to 60 in under 4 seconds
Top Speed 125 mph
Motor: 3-phase, 4-pole electric motor, 248hp peak (185kW), redline 13,000 rpm, regenerative "engine braking"
Gas free baby....
charper1
07-08-2008, 08:36 PM
I saw those on Discovery; once they can get a better miles per charge (way up from the current 220m) and way down on the $110,000 price tag; they will have my interest. I would likely go as high as $60,000 for this ride.
But this is the one I have been watching.. It bears a striking resemblance to the Saturn Sky Red Line & maybe even conceptually based on the Pontiac Banshee, Protosport or Rageous
NpaulTodd
07-09-2008, 05:15 PM
Looked like a Holley carb on a smallblock ford V8. I bet that thing does not get 12 mpg.
He may have some super high compression running E85. He may get decent mileage for what it is.
0-60 3 seconds...Ha (Not in a mustang)LOL (my buddies with '03-'04 terminator cobras with superchargers can't run that kind of time). I am hard pressed to believe this guy is getting that kind of accelleration out of a normally asperated engine even in a lightweight car.
I have always had V8 muscle cars of several types. They get terrible mileage even if you run sensible gears in the rear axle.
I have had cars that would run at the track turn those kind of times. Not really streetable.
My 2005 GTO however with mods (6.0L LS2 v8, 6 speed manual) will get 28 mpg! IF you keep your foot out of it and drive a steady 65-70 mph without A/C turned on. 25mpg under most normal interstate cruising climbing hills.
That is legendary mileage imo for an engine making a little less than 500 hp and 430lb ft torque. my best 0-60 time yet with slicks on the rear has been 4.2 or so (depending on outdoor temperature and track conditions).
Maybe this guy may be onto something (hopefully) Our country needs a solution.
then your buddies don't have a Kenne bell supercharger (800 rwhp), because if they did they would break into 3 second territory , lmao if there still driving around with eatons on there cobra :p
Tyralak
07-10-2008, 07:29 AM
Apparently, many like to think a bubba can figure out how to do in his back yard what the entire world's combined engineering talent in well-equipped labs can't.
Nikola Tesla would have been interested to hear you say that.
Tyralak
07-10-2008, 07:33 AM
I saw those on Discovery; once they can get a better miles per charge (way up from the current 220m) and way down on the $110,000 price tag; they will have my interest. I would likely go as high as $60,000 for this ride.
All that is just an engineering problem, not a theoretical problem. It will be improved in time.
nsaspook
07-10-2008, 01:56 PM
Nikola Tesla would have been interested to hear you say that.
Tesla was not some rube.
http://bp0.blogger.com/_v1bnwywkLYs/R9zRRKTqy5I/AAAAAAAAADw/hNz9zBzPKLE/s1600/redneck_mentor.jpg
Tesla then studied electrical engineering at the Austrian Polytechnic in Graz (1875). While there, he studied the uses of alternating current. Some sources say he received Baccalaureate degrees from the university at Graz.[13][14][15] However, the university says that he did not receive a degree and did not continue beyond the first semester of his third year, during which he stopped attending lectures.[16][17][18][19][20] In December 1878 he left Graz and broke all relations with his family. His friends thought that he had drowned in Mura. He went to Maribor, Slovenia, where he was first employed as an assistant engineer for a year. He suffered a nervous breakdown during this time. Tesla was later persuaded by his father to attend the Charles-Ferdinand University in Prague, which he attended for the summer term of 1880. Here he was influenced by Ernst Mach. However after his father died he left the university, having completed only one term.[21]
Nikola Tesla - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla)
Tyralak
07-10-2008, 08:44 PM
Tesla was not some rube.
http://bp0.blogger.com/_v1bnwywkLYs/R9zRRKTqy5I/AAAAAAAAADw/hNz9zBzPKLE/s1600/redneck_mentor.jpg
Nikola Tesla - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla)
Obviously. He's one of my favorite scientists. However my point was, he was widely viewed as a crackpot, especially in his later years and after Edison got done smearing him.
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