It seems you and Hemi are the ones that defy the odds. More poeple have problem free receivers than problem ones.Prove it.:)

Prove it.:)


Hemi there are issues with the D* HDDVRs.There also were issues with E*'s 921.I don't know how long it will take to solve D*'s HDDVR issues,but the CE program is a start in the right direction.When E*'s 921 came out there was no place to go and fix it like the CE program man you should have heard the screaming then.:eek:

I will tell you that what I have found out is every DVR+ I have had is reformat sensitive.There have been times when things didn't work a reformat corrected the issue.As for recording I have stayed away from the fancy stuff.If I want to record I bring up the guide highlight the program and press R and it works every time(for some this is a pain).I also don't load up the hard drive,when they do there also seems to me to be issues.:(

But being D*'s first in house HDDVR there are going to be issues.If D* can't resolve their DVR+ issues by the time the new HD DirecTivo comes out I believe they should go with it as if anyone knows DVRs it's Tivo maybe that's why they plan to offer both.;):)

I love E with my current 722. I've installed dozens of home theaters and E vip receivers just can't be beat. Great, great, great DVR functions. I've worked with Comcast, Wow, AT&t and D; hands down E vip receivers are superior. The only thing I can say is that each of these companies offer different programming choices and that might trump technology for some people. E offers 95% of the programming I would want and the best technology, I'll stay with E and hope the 922 comes soon!

Why is anyone using E* 921 for comparison? E* does not even make or install 921s anymore and has been replacing them with the VIPs.

Ever since E* rolled out the VIPs, especially the 622s and 722s, they have had quite solid performance. I remember before the VIPs, people joked about E*'s receivers constantly in beta test, compared to the stable D* receivers, the table has turned since.

To assume TiVo on the HR2X platform may solve the problem, we only have the TiVo on the Comcast platform to look for indication, and it ain't good.

D* needs a new HD DVR of its own design, similar to the 922. TiVo will not help D* much, D* knew that, they bought ReplayTV to make sure TiVo would not be helping them for better or for worse.

Why is anyone using E* 921 for comparison? E* does not even make or install 921s anymore and has been replacing them with the VIPs.

Ever since E* rolled out the VIPs, especially the 622s and 722s, they have had quite solid performance. I remember before the VIPs, people joked about E*'s receivers constantly in beta test, compared to the stable D* receivers, the table has turned since.

To assume TiVo on the HR2X platform may solve the problem, we only have the TiVo on the Comcast platform to look for indication, and it ain't good.

D* needs a new HD DVR of its own design, similar to the 922. TiVo will not help D* much, D* knew that, they bought ReplayTV to make sure TiVo would not be helping them for better or for worse.



Equal=Equal.Meaning Dish's 921 was Dish's first inhouse HDDVR.DirecTV's HRs are DirecTV's first inhouse HDDVR.Dish's 922 if it shows will be Dish's fourth generation HDDVR and yes a really good comparison will be the new DirecTivo but which one to compare to the 922?.By Tivo's financial report they have been contracted to build 3 different models for DirecTV.;):)

TiVo, Inc. - Quarterly Report (http://investor.tivo.com/secfiling.cfm?filingID=1193125-08-251359)

Equal=Equal.Meaning Dish's 921 was Dish's first inhouse HDDVR.DirecTV's HRs are DirecTV's first inhouse HDDVR.Dish's 922 if it shows will be Dish's fourth generation HDDVR and yes a really good comparison will be the new DirecTivo but which one to compare to the 922?.By Tivo's financial report they have been contracted to build 3 different models for DirecTV.;):)

TiVo, Inc. - Quarterly Report (http://investor.tivo.com/secfiling.cfm?filingID=1193125-08-251359)

Are you sure the 921 was E*'s first in-house HD DVR?

So this is your logic, say E* rolled out their first HD DVR 6 years ago, three years later D* rolled out their own HD DVRs, and E* also upgraded theirs to the new VIPs, then let's fast forward to 2010, E* now is using their new 922s, D* is still using the same 4 years old HD DVRs.

And you will say we can only compare "apple to apple", their first generations of in-houes HD DVRs, never mind the 921s are no where to be found.

BTW, the TiVo's own report said D* is under no contractual obligation (unlike Comcast) to make the new DirecTiVo happen, and as it stands now, D* does not appear to fulfill an obligation that they do not even have in the first place, because D* never mentioned a word about it.

Are you sure the 921 was E*'s first in-house HD DVR?

So this is your logic, say E* rolled out their first HD DVR 6 years ago, three years later D* rolled out their own HD DVRs, and E* also upgraded theirs to the new VIPs, then let's fast forward to 2010, E* now is using their new 922s, D* is still using the same 4 years old HD DVRs.

And you will say we can only compare "apple to apple", their first generations of in-houes HD DVRs, never mind the 921s are no where to be found.

BTW, the TiVo's own report said D* is under no contractual obligation (unlike Comcast) to make the new DirecTiVo happen, and as it stands now, D* does not appear to fulfill an obligation that they do not even have in the first place, because D* never mentioned a word about it.


1. Yes.I was an E* subscriber at that time.I know when E*'s first HDDVR came out


2. I know your hoping the new HD DirecTivo doesn't become a reality,but I believe you will be disappointed.

3. You keep reciting D* is under no contractual obligation so I would imagine that you believe DirecTV resigned with Tivo just to avoid litigation?.I believe that is just a part of it.I guess that the only way to find out for sure is wait until 2010.By then E* is supposed to have out their 922 and the new HD DirecTivo should be a reality.:)

I don't even know what a 921 is.
Since I've became an E* customer they only had VIP 622 and 625 DVrs
So why would I care if a discontinued model had problems?
You brand new D* equipment has problems.

I don't even know what a 921 is.
Since I've became an E* customer they only had VIP 622 and 625 DVrs
So why would I care if a discontinued model had problems?
You brand new D* equipment has problems.


It's common knowledge that first issue DVRs have problems.E* had them,at least until Dish was going to merge with DirecTV and got to examine a DirecTivo.;)

I do know D* equipment has problems the only difference is with D*'s CE program your not waiting 6 months for a software upgrade as such was the case with E*.:rolleyes:

...3. You keep reciting D* is under no contractual obligation so I would imagine that you believe DirecTV resigned with Tivo just to avoid litigation?.I believe that is just a part of it.I guess that the only way to find out for sure is wait until 2010.By then E* is supposed to have out their 922 and the new HD DirecTivo should be a reality.:)

Wrong again, D* just bought ReplayTV, that is why D* has no fear of TiVo anymore.

As far as the CE program, it is a nice game for the tech nuts to play, as for me, I played it too and is still playing it, but it does no good when my HR2Xs are still so sluggish that my family are constantly blaming me for swtiching from the VIPs to the HRs.

Wrong again, D* just bought ReplayTV, that is why D* has no fear of TiVo anymore.

As far as the CE program, it is a nice game for the tech nuts to play, as for me, I played it too and is still playing it, but it does no good when my HR2Xs are still so sluggish that my family are constantly blaming me for swtiching from the VIPs to the HRs.

Well you could believe what you think or believe what a DirecTV executive vice president says.:)

TiVo, DirecTV revive partnership - USATODAY.com (http://www.usatoday.com/money/media/2008-09-03-tivo-directv_N.htm)


The only way I know to speed up performance is to reformat the hard drive or wait for a fix in a software update.;)

P.S. Also don't run the hard drive almost full.;)

Well you could believe what you think or believe what a DirecTV executive vice president says.:)

TiVo, DirecTV revive partnership - USATODAY.com (http://www.usatoday.com/money/media/2008-09-03-tivo-directv_N.htm)


The only way I know to speed up performance is to reformat the hard drive or wait for a fix in a software update.;)

P.S. Also don't run the hard drive almost full.;)

Can you not read what I just said? D* now has ReplayTV they no longer have to be concerned about a potential TiVo lawsuit.

All you had done was to quote that 9/3/08 press release, please wake up.

Can you not read what I just said? D* now has ReplayTV they no longer have to be concerned about a potential TiVo lawsuit.

All you had done was to quote that 9/3/08 press release, please wake up.


I know what your saying and if that purchase of Replay would have made DirecTV invincible to lawsuits they would have never resigned with Tivo.;)

P.S. I am awake,thank you.:)

Are you taking notes Charlie,lawsuits 101?.;)

I know what your saying and if that purchase of Replay would have made DirecTV invincible to lawsuits they would have never resigned with Tivo.;)

P.S. I am awake,thank you.:)

Are you taking notes Charlie,lawsuits 101?.;)

DirecTV had just bought ReplayTV recently, as things evolve, the plan changes.

If you want to learn how Charlie fights his fight, let me give you a history lesson.

Back in 2006 when E* lost to TiVo in that jury fight and was ordered to pay $74 million, in that little court of Texas, the winning record for the plaintiffs had been 100%. Microsoft also lost one and was ordered to pay $120 million in another case.

Lawyers at the time had concluded that the chances for the defendants in that district court was next to none becuase of the "friendly local jury pool" to the patentees, on the other hand many "patent trolls" started to pile on their lawsuits in this district court.

A few months after TiVo's win against E*, Forgent filed a similar patent suit in that district court, against E*, D* and Comcast for infringing on some DVR technology. In defending that case, the same E*'s lawyers (who had just lost the TiVo case) were again hired by Charlie, and worked with the D* lawyers side by side to prepare the case defending themselves against Forgent.

Two weeks before the jury trial, Comcast chickened out, paid Forgent $20 million to settle out of the court, and one day before the jury trial, D* chickened out and paid Forgent $8 million to settle out.

Charlie was the only one stuck to the trial, that was after he lost big with TiVo just a few months ago.

The same E* lawyers, who had just lost the TiVo case, won this one by convincing the jury this time that the Forgent patent was invalid. And the Forget lawsuit was thrown out. Comcast just wasted $20 million, and D* $8 million, for settling with Forgent.

Now notice three years have passed, and TiVo has yet gotten one extra penny from E* since the last judgment, and notice what is happening now?

E*'s lawyers had just convinced the USPTO to re-examine the validity of TiVo's own patent. Do you know what it means if the USPTO invalidates TiVo's patent? TiVo's such DVR patent will no longer be enforceable, the game will be over.

Here is a history lesson for you to take note. But you must first be awake to take it:)

DirecTV had just bought ReplayTV recently, as things evolve, the plan changes.

If you want to learn how Charlie fights his fight, let me give you a history lesson.

Back in 2006 when E* lost to TiVo in that jury fight and was ordered to pay $74 million, in that little court of Texas, the winning record for the plaintiffs had been 100%. Microsoft also lost one and was ordered to pay $120 million in another case.

Lawyers at the time had concluded that the chances for the defendants in that district court was next to none becuase of the "friendly local jury pool" to the patentees, on the other hand many "patent trolls" started to pile on their lawsuits in this district court.

A few months after TiVo's win against E*, Forgent filed a similar patent suit in that district court, against E*, D* and Comcast for infringing on some DVR technology. In defending that case, the same E*'s lawyers (who had just lost the TiVo case) were again hired by Charlie, and worked with the D* lawyers side by side to prepare the case defending themselves against Forgent.

Two weeks before the jury trial, Comcast chickened out, paid Forgent $20 million to settle out of the court, and one day before the jury trial, D* chickened out and paid Forgent $8 million to settle out.

Charlie was the only one stuck to the trial, that was after he lost big with TiVo just a few months ago.

The same E* lawyers, who had just lost the TiVo case, won this one by convincing the jury this time that the Forgent patent was invalid. And the Forget lawsuit was thrown out. Comcast just wasted $20 million, and D* $8 million, for settling with Forgent.

Now notice three years have passed, and TiVo has yet gotten one extra penny from E* since the last judgment, and notice what is happening now?

E*'s lawyers had just convinced the USPTO to re-examine the validity of TiVo's own patent. Do you know what it means if the USPTO invalidates TiVo's patent? TiVo's such DVR patent will no longer be enforceable, the game will be over.

Here is a history lesson for you to take note. But you must first be awake to take it:)

Sorry, dream on. Not going to happen, the end is near. After this month, the outcome will be evident, and Charlie will settle.

Or he will remove more HD channels to help pay for the ongoing litigation.

Sorry, dream on. Not going to happen, the end is near. After this month, the outcome will be evident, and Charlie will settle.

Or he will remove more HD channels to help pay for the ongoing litigation.

You obviously did not read the history above, Charlie will be the last one on the Earth to settle. Not that it is impossible for him to settle, but only after TiVo realizes its end is near and willing to offer a very good deal:)

I have history on my side, and you only have your dreams.

You obviously did not read the history above, Charlie will be the last one on the Earth to settle. Not that it is impossible for him to settle, but only after TiVo realizes its end is near and willing to offer a very good deal:)

I have history on my side, and you only have your dreams.

You mean when Charlie is out of options and must pay a premium to settle and costs his subs more than if he would have just settled from the beginning.

You mean when Charlie is out of options and must pay a premium to settle and costs his subs more than if he would have just settled from the beginning.

No I meant you simply were not capable of learning from the history, when Charlie just lost his $74 million two years ago, that did not scare him into settling with Forgent, while all the others, including D* chickened out and paid big to settle with Forgent, only to find out very soon that Charlie managed to throw Forgent out on the curb.

Two years later TiVo has yet gotten another penny out of Charlie, and Charlie is on the verge of getting TiVo's whole patent thrown out, and you somehow think he is going to settle now?

Who is dreaming?

Can we not turn this into another tivo vs E* thread please?:up

DirecTV had just bought ReplayTV recently, as things evolve, the plan changes.

If you want to learn how Charlie fights his fight, let me give you a history lesson.

Back in 2006 when E* lost to TiVo in that jury fight and was ordered to pay $74 million, in that little court of Texas, the winning record for the plaintiffs had been 100%. Microsoft also lost one and was ordered to pay $120 million in another case.

Lawyers at the time had concluded that the chances for the defendants in that district court was next to none becuase of the "friendly local jury pool" to the patentees, on the other hand many "patent trolls" started to pile on their lawsuits in this district court.

A few months after TiVo's win against E*, Forgent filed a similar patent suit in that district court, against E*, D* and Comcast for infringing on some DVR technology. In defending that case, the same E*'s lawyers (who had just lost the TiVo case) were again hired by Charlie, and worked with the D* lawyers side by side to prepare the case defending themselves against Forgent.

Two weeks before the jury trial, Comcast chickened out, paid Forgent $20 million to settle out of the court, and one day before the jury trial, D* chickened out and paid Forgent $8 million to settle out.

Charlie was the only one stuck to the trial, that was after he lost big with TiVo just a few months ago.

The same E* lawyers, who had just lost the TiVo case, won this one by convincing the jury this time that the Forgent patent was invalid. And the Forget lawsuit was thrown out. Comcast just wasted $20 million, and D* $8 million, for settling with Forgent.

Now notice three years have passed, and TiVo has yet gotten one extra penny from E* since the last judgment, and notice what is happening now?

E*'s lawyers had just convinced the USPTO to re-examine the validity of TiVo's own patent. Do you know what it means if the USPTO invalidates TiVo's patent? TiVo's such DVR patent will no longer be enforceable, the game will be over.

Here is a history lesson for you to take note. But you must first be awake to take it:)

I love history!.You remember when DirecTV resigned with Tivo?.2008 be sure to check out the date on this article.:)

Tech Trader Daily - Barron’s Online : DirecTV Buys Replay TV (Remember Them?) (http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2007/12/13/directv-buys-replay-tv-remember-them/)

Guess that 74 million had interest?.:)

Once-dark picture improves for TiVo - Los Angeles Times (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-tivo2-2009feb02,0,6440724.story)

Can we not turn this into another tivo vs E* thread please?:up

+1

I love history!.You remember when DirecTV resigned with Tivo?.2008 be sure to check out the date on this article.:)

Tech Trader Daily - Barron’s Online : DirecTV Buys Replay TV (Remember Them?) (http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2007/12/13/directv-buys-replay-tv-remember-them/)

Guess that 74 million had interest?.:)

Once-dark picture improves for TiVo - Los Angeles Times (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-tivo2-2009feb02,0,6440724.story)

My history lesson tells you D* had no guts, but maybe now D* has changed its mind, after seeing that TiVo may end up on the curb soon, maybe that is why you never heard from D* on that project so far.

BTW, you had posted that LA Times article on the other site and people there had already told you that article was a "puff", the reporter never bothered to get any comment from D*, Comcast nor Cox, it was a TiVo's mouth piece.

Get some comment from D* we will talk.

+1

The current discussion is about how E* and D* deal with the threat of the lawsuit when it comes to the DVR technologies, right on topic.

The points are:

1) Based on the history, there is little reason to think Charlie will settle, now he is on the verge of kicking TiVo to the curb. The new 922, along with the new OTA DVR, and the willingness to make DVRs for the cable companies, will all help to put the last nail on TiVo's coffin.

2) While D* has always wanted to avoid court battle, this time it is watching and if E* manages to throw out TiVo's patent, there is little reason D* would go through with that new TiVo project.

Now if any of you have something on topic to say, no one is stopping you.

The current discussion is about how E* and D* deal with the threat of the lawsuit when it comes to the DVR technologies, right on topic.



Now if any of you have something on topic to say, no one is stopping you.

How are any of those on the topic of what the thread is about? I was curious about who would choose the 922 and what service they would take if it were offered to both E* and D*. The threat of lawsuits really wasnt part of it originally. I do not mind a little off topic discussion on the matter, but it seems that much of it is going to the tivo vs E* corner. Really not the OT.

How are any of those on the topic of what the thread is about? I was curious about who would choose the 922 and what service they would take if it were offered to both E* and D*. The threat of lawsuits really wasnt part of it originally. I do not mind a little off topic discussion on the matter, but it seems that much of it is going to the tivo vs E* corner. Really not the OT.

Just because you do not see relevance does not mean others see the same.

While I did not believe E* would let D* use its 922 technology, a relevant comparison can be made for the new DirecTiVo DVR TiVo has been tooting its horn on since 9/3/08, while D* has been totally silent on this one.

The above discussion revealed the possible reason for all the action and non-action from various parties. And if indeed TiVo's patent is thrown out in a little over a month by the USPTO, IMHO it will be more likely D* may work with E* on using the 922 technology, more likely than now.

One reason could be that E* will like to see TiVo go away much faster, to let D* use its 922 technology instead of the TiVo's will achieve such goal. And that is the only reason I see a 922 ever make it to the D* family.

So here you go, I am trying to help you to put some hope in your otherwise very unlikely scenario.

Myoung, I appreciate your input, I really do. However the poll was based on a HYPOTHETICAL situation where the 922 was made available to D* subs. So basically, I really was not going for why it would or would not be available, I was simply trying to see what choices might be made IF it were. I simply think there are enough threads on the Tivo vs E* topic, and this one seemed to be heading that way when it really was not necessary to discuss the hypothetical situation I presented.

Myoung, I appreciate your input, I really do. However the poll was based on a HYPOTHETICAL situation where the 922 was made available to D* subs. So basically, I really was not going for why it would or would not be available, I was simply trying to see what choices might be made IF it were. I simply think there are enough threads on the Tivo vs E* topic, and this one seemed to be heading that way when it really was not necessary to discuss the hypothetical situation I presented.

Unfortunately I don't think you can dictate what is on topic or not just because you started this thread. You asked how the discussion about TiVo is related to your topic, I showed you why it is on topic.

You started a thread with clear bias in favor of D*, I know you denied such intent, but I felt it has such effect, by assuming D* would get the best DVR technology there is, even though D* did not even have a booth at the CES and made no mentioning of any new DVR gigs.

I have the right to offer a counter view as long as it is on topic. If my comments have led to the poll results tilting in a different direction you had hoped for, you may very well do your part to counter it with your own discussion topic related to your poll.

No I do not take this poll seriously, but since it is out there, it is a fair game.

If you wonder why I am so early today, was anticipating the new E* satellite at 129 to be alive this morning, and it is.

The Judge will kick E* to the curb this month. Can't wait for the discussion afterwards.

I guess you are free to feel however you wish about the intent of the thread. I have already told you why I started it, you do not believe me. I can live with that, and do not see the point of trying to convince you otherwise. I still think the current discussion is off topic no matter how you try to connect it, but I guess that anyone that wanted to vote in the poll already has, so if you wish to continue, be my guest

I guess you are free to feel however you wish about the intent of the thread. I have already told you why I started it, you do not believe me. I can live with that, and do not see the point of trying to convince you otherwise. I still think the current discussion is off topic no matter how you try to connect it, but I guess that anyone that wanted to vote in the poll already has, so if you wish to continue, be my guest

Only at your wish:)

Just because you do not see relevance does not mean others see the same.

While I did not believe E* would let D* use its 922 technology, a relevant comparison can be made for the new DirecTiVo DVR TiVo has been tooting its horn on since 9/3/08, while D* has been totally silent on this one.

The above discussion revealed the possible reason for all the action and non-action from various parties. And if indeed TiVo's patent is thrown out in a little over a month by the USPTO, IMHO it will be more likely D* may work with E* on using the 922 technology, more likely than now.

One reason could be that E* will like to see TiVo go away much faster, to let D* use its 922 technology instead of the TiVo's will achieve such goal. And that is the only reason I see a 922 ever make it to the D* family.

So here you go, I am trying to help you to put some hope in your otherwise very unlikely scenario.


So let's say this happens the court rules Tivo's patent invalid.Charlie has set precedent he has opened the door.As Charlie gets ready to walk through the door five other companies rush by him,they were just waiting to market their own product but Tivo's patent kept them from risking it.Now Charlie has six other companies to contend with.Life is good competition is good for the consumer.;)

So if this happens will Charlie get his money back from Tivo?.:)

So let's say this happens the court rules Tivo's patent invalid.Charlie has set precedent he has opened the door.As Charlie gets ready to walk through the door five other companies rush by him,they were just waiting to market their own product but Tivo's patent kept them from risking it.Now Charlie has six other companies to contend with.Life is good competition is good for the consumer.;)

So if this happens will Charlie get his money back from Tivo?.:)

This hearing in February has nothing to do with invalidating the Patent, It's about continued infringement.

The Patent review is by the Patent office and that is a ways off yet. Besides, it was reviewed once already and it held up, there is no reason why it won't again, dispite what a select few may say.

This hearing in February has nothing to do with invalidating the Patent, It's about continued infringement.

The Patent review is by the Patent office and that is a ways off yet. Besides, it was reviewed once already and it held up, there is no reason why it won't again, dispite what a select few may say.

First off I hope the OP does not feel bad we continue on the issue, I did not want to continue but have to clarify it.

The judge had given E* 2.5 more hours to talk about the TiVo patent invalidity issue, and I have no doubt E* is using the same facts they used in getting the USPTO to agree with them to re-examine the patent validity.

TiVo is currently trying to exclude such E*'s attempt in the next hearing, we have yet heard from the judge.

If judge allows E*'s such argument, it will mean E* can argue why based on the new evidence the TiVo patent is now invalid, and if the judge agrees with E*, this lawsuit will be over.

...So if this happens will Charlie get his money back from Tivo?.:)

No he will not.

And I don't think Charlie is afraid of competition, TiVo is, which is why TiVo keeps going to the court.

One last time. The Validity of the Patent is not part of this hearing.

One last time. The Validity of the Patent is not part of this hearing.

Why not let the judge decide? He has given E* the extra 2.5 hours when E* requested more time to argue on the claim validity issue at the hearing, now TiVo is trying to exclude such argument, and the judge has not responded to TiVo yet.

OK Thanks for the answers.Mssmith,my apologies.I'm done.:o

Why not let the judge decide? He has given E* the extra 2.5 hours when E* requested more time to argue on the claim validity issue at the hearing, now TiVo is trying to exclude such argument, and the judge has not responded to TiVo yet.

Judge Denies DISH the ability to use validity of patent as a defense.

A HUGE win for DISH.

Please tell us why it is so.

Judge Denies DISH the ability to use validity of patent as a defense.

A HUGE win for DISH.

Please tell us why it is so.

A clear loss for E* because E* made a stupid argument, they could argued that infringement analysis requires claim limitation validation, instead argued TiVo is trying to expand their patent coverage.

But count your days, you need them:)

A clear loss for E* because E* made a stupid argument, they could argued that infringement analysis requires claim limitation validation, instead argued TiVo is trying to expand their patent coverage.

But count your days, you need them:)

so what do you see happening after this?

so what do you see happening after this?

I see a ruling against E*, and them crying foul and appealing.

so what do you see happening after this?

E* is not in contempt and if the judge agrees with E* that TiVo is trying to broaden the claim limitations, he may dissolve the injunction.

Additionally, before the judge's ruling, it is likely the USPTO will have already invalidated the TiVo's claims making TiVo's two patent claims at issue unenforceable.

E* is not in contempt and if the judge agrees with E* that TiVo is trying to broaden the claim limitations, he may dissolve the injunction.

Additionally, before the judge's ruling, it is likely the USPTO will have already invalidated the TiVo's claims making TiVo's two patent claims at issue unenforceable.

That is such a fairy tale it's laughable.

:eek::eek::eek:

I see a ruling against E*, and them crying foul and appealing.


E* is not in contempt and if the judge agrees with E* that TiVo is trying to broaden the claim limitations, he may dissolve the injunction.

Additionally, before the judge's ruling, it is likely the USPTO will have already invalidated the TiVo's claims making TiVo's two patent claims at issue unenforceable.

thanks for the input guys :up

That is such a fairy tale it's laughable.

:eek::eek::eek:

Of course your dream of a contempt has been on going for 10 months and most people would have waken up by now:)

Hopefully, we will see a cable version of the 922 and I will remain a happy FiOS TV costomer.

Hopefully, we will see a cable version of the 922 and I will remain a happy FiOS TV costomer.

The truth is, no one must have to have the 922 kind of gigs to stand out in the crowd. Fios can release their version of new DVR interface, DirecTV can do the same, who knows, it they do it right they may get people to pass the 922 idea and instead wanting to get the other new DVR.

Unfortunately or fortunately, E* did it this time. I am hoping others follow with their own nice and unique new DVRs and features. I don't want 922 be the only good new thing, what if it never materializes, or never gets be on anyother services? We will all be stuck with our old DVRs?

Where's the best of both?

Give me the 922 or its equivalent and Verizon! :D

Where's the best of both?

Give me the 922 or its equivalent and Verizon! :D

Subscribe to both E* and V*.

If E* had all of the hd channels of D* I wouldn't have voted they way I did. On the other had if D* had the Equipment that E* has I would move to D* because of more hd channels such as FX HD

If E* had all of the hd channels of D* I wouldn't have voted they way I did. On the other had if D* had the Equipment that E* has I would move to D* because of more hd channels such as FX HD


At least you will always have an easy decision unless you like DirecTV's new HD DirecTivo.;)

If there new TiVO is anything like their old TiVO, then I will stick with my HR20

I want to change my vote, I want a 922 and FIOS.

Read about the 922, cannot wait for this thing!

Read about the 922, cannot wait for this thing!

i hope a miracle happens here and a version of the 922 is made available for D*. I doubt it but it's ok to wish it ;)