Discuss:D

Both went up, D* was more level across the board. E* had a larger increase in some packages, less on the other.

Which do you think sucks less?

I just feel that all Price increases SUCK.
But D* hasn't really shown anything since D*11 has launched to justify any price increase.
I feel like D* just has a HUGE NFL ST bill that needs to get paid ,and D* is spreading the cost to over 17 Million of its customers.

To be honest hemi, what has E* done up until now to justify the increase they have announced? Has anything been added since it was announced? I know I have not seen anything, even though I only have SD as of now with them.

I know I have gained 2 HD channels, and 1 sd channel with D* this month alone, and alot can happen before march (even though I do not expect a huge increase like we got before with D*). For that matter though, alot could change with E* before their price goes up also, but going up it is, got to pay for all those lawsuits and extra premiums;)

I do agree that all price increases suck though, however that is a fact of life. We live with it:up Or cancel:eek:

I won't get into premiums right now
But my setup with E* Is 5 DVRs 3 HD and 2 SD
Everything Pack New pricing
$102.98
$20 HD/Gold/Platinum
$1.50 KTLA
$1.50 WSKB
$5.99 Mulit Sports pack
$14 Lease fee's.
$145.97


D*
Premium
$109.99
$9.99 HD
$4.99 HD extra
$6 DVR
$19.96 in Mirror/Lease Fees
$151.02
This is for Less Over all channels .
So Whats going on here?

Less overall what channels though? Music? Religious? Shopping? I am really not sure. Just asking

Also is that before or after the price increase? E* still may be cheaper for you after, just curious.

To be honest hemi, what has E* done up until now to justify the increase they have announced? Added over 20 HD channel in the last year, and I've not had one Increase in my price since I've started with E* July 2007. So almost 2 Years and my increase in only $3.
Lets see D* in the last 2 years $8 increase per month and Yet still large amounts upfront with equipment lease charges. So where's the money go? NFL ST is my guess.

Also is that before or after the price increase? E* still may be cheaper for you after, just curious. Thats E* new pricing.

Less overall what channels though? Music? Religious? Shopping? I am really not sure. Just askingMusic,Independent,Premiums, Superstation pack. Sure shopping Religious , doesn't really matter because its still more for the money.

Added over 20 HD channel in the last year, and I've not had one Increase in my price since I've started with E* July 2007. So almost 2 Years and my increase in only $3.
Lets see D* in the last 2 years $8 increase per month and Yet still large amounts upfront with equipment lease charges. So where's the money go? NFL ST is my guess.

To be fair again hemi, in the last two years, since you want to use that time frame for the D* increase here, D* has added ALOT of HD channels. Stretching it that far changes the argument a good bit. But back to the past year...

So E* added a good many channels to catch D* more or less, and the price increase is justified, but D* adds a few here and there over the past few months (after already having more overall) and a lower average price increase (from what I have seen, I have not actually done the math) is not? I get it I guess, for you anyway, they are simply not adding what you want. I guess I can understand that.

Music,Independent,Premiums, Superstation pack. Sure shopping Religious , doesn't really matter because its still more for the money.

Superstations are the big draw there (for me), premiums for others. Music though? I do not turn on MY tv to listen to music with no video feed ( I do have plenty of radios...). Others may be different. I would guess that is where the majority of the number advantage is.

In any case, you have a good point, it is fewer channels for more money (even though it would not matter to me)

I have 3 D* accounts So $12 extra per month to me is a big deal, when for one Not 1 of my accounts has any HD equipment. and 2 I'm not spending another $200 + on HD equipment just to make the increase a feel like a better bargon.

Lets see D* in the last 2 years $8 increase per month .

Per month?!?!? What the heck kind of plan are/were you on??????:p

I have 3 D* accounts So $12 extra per month to me is a big deal, when for one Not 1 of my accounts has any HD equipment. and 2 I'm not spending another $200 + on HD equipment just to make the increase a feel like a better bargon.

I can understand that, but it would be pretty much the same if you had three E* accounts would it not?

To be fair again hemi, in the last two years, since you want to use that time frame for the D* increase here, D* has added ALOT of HD channels. Stretching it that far changes the argument a good bit. But back to the past year...

.Your right they did in September 2007. But How many of them channels didn't even show any HD content on them? I can name atleast 5. What about Now? To me its just numbers game. E* plays that very well too ,But the real 65 HD channel that they do have show Have HD programming . Charlie we know Has limited satellite space. 129 might as well be decleared dead. But he has done a good enough job making do, Even if Voom had to go. E* had AMC 14 MIA that was going to the 61.5. Imagine that and Ciel 2 . Right now. I bet D* would be forced to add then.

I have 3 E* accounts too. But they Very,
I have the Premium, But
1 Rental Family only has Top 200 and Cinemax
and the other Family has top 250. No one has HD or DVR but me.:)
My rules with my tenents are simple . If they want Satellite they have to go through me. Thats just my rules. It saves on Property damage. They can get what ever they want too.
Same with my D* accounts,But them 2 rental houses just got cable so I think D* is done with there. I'm not under any contracts so I guess if they want Cable they can have it. But they have to deal with the cable company.

I won't get into premiums right now
But my setup with E* Is 5 DVRs 3 HD and 2 SD
Everything Pack New pricing
$102.98
$20 HD/Gold/Platinum
$1.50 KTLA
$1.50 WSKB
$5.99 Mulit Sports pack
$14 Lease fee's.
$145.97


D*
Premium
$109.99
$9.99 HD
$4.99 HD extra
$6 DVR
$19.96 in Mirror/Lease Fees
$151.02
This is for Less Over all channels .
So Whats going on here?


definitely in your case it's more. i don't have that many dvr's nor do I have any premiums because i find them too pricey and i rather use netflix. having had E* for 10 years I can tell you i saw plenty of price increases on E's behalf. I too was angry but at E because of the way they treated me almost 2 years ago after spending lots of money with them and always buying their latest equipment for 10 years.Didn't deserve what they did but I got over it quick.if you ever want to know what happened I will gladly tell you in a PM. I don't hate nor do I criticize anyone that has them as a provider. If E makes you happy then I'm happy. My old man has E because of me and he loves it. I keep up with all the latest news and updates that have to do with E for my folks and 2nd because knowledge is power.


as for me I'm very happy with D. I get everything I want for less then what I use to pay with E. that may change in the future but other factors would have to be involved for me to make a change of providers in the distant future. As for price increases it's our way of life,not by choice. Almost everything if not everything goes up every year. who ever isn't used to this already better get used to it. there are way more important things than satellite that go up every year like food,water and electricity.

Per month?!?!? What the heck kind of plan are/were you on??????:p

:D lol

definitely in your case it's more. i don't have that many dvr's nor do I have any premiums because i find them too pricey and i rather use netflix. having had E* for 10 years I can tell you i saw plenty of price increases on E's behalf. I too was angry but at E because of the way they treated me almost 2 years ago after spending lots of money with them and always buying their latest equipment for 10 years.Didn't deserve what they did but I got over it quick.if you ever want to know what happened I will gladly tell you in a PM. I don't hate nor do I criticize anyone that has them as a provider. If E makes you happy then I'm happy. My old man has E because of me and he loves it. I keep up with all the latest news and updates that have to do with E for my folks and 2nd because knowledge is power.


as for me I'm very happy with D. I get everything I want for less then what I use to pay with E. that may change in the future but other factors would have to be involved for me to make a change of providers in the distant future. As for price increases it's our way of life,not by choice. Almost everything if not everything goes up every year. who ever isn't used to this already better get used to it. there are way more important things than satellite that go up every year like food,water and electricity.
Yep, it varies based on what you want and what you have. :up

definitely in your case it's more. i don't have that many dvr's nor do I have any premiums because i find them too pricey and i rather use netflix. having had E* for 10 years I can tell you i saw plenty of price increases on E's behalf. I too was angry but at E because of the way they treated me almost 2 years ago after spending lots of money with them and always buying their latest equipment for 10 years.Didn't deserve what they did but I got over it quick.if you ever want to know what happened I will gladly tell you in a PM. I don't hate nor do I criticize anyone that has them as a provider. If E makes you happy then I'm happy. My old man has E because of me and he loves it. I keep up with all the latest news and updates that have to do with E for my folks and 2nd because knowledge is power.


as for me I'm very happy with D. I get everything I want for less then what I use to pay with E. that may change in the future but other factors would have to be involved for me to make a change of providers in the distant future. As for price increases it's our way of life,not by choice. Almost everything if not everything goes up every year. who ever isn't used to this already better get used to it. there are way more important things than satellite that go up every year like food,water and electricity.


I don't hate anyone either it's just after 4 1/2 years with E* I woke up and I'm trying to help others wake up also.:)
I'm very happy with D* also and it doesn't matter who is cheaper as that was my reason for going with E* the first and last time and my big mistake.;)
I have the Premier package if D* needs $5. I pay it.:)
I feel that higher than before price increases are the norm until the cost for new technology(HD) is paid for.Of course with additions it could be years.;)

Hemi,
I am going to same the same thing I said on another thread when you compared packages and channel options.

The particular package and setup I have is cheaper than the comparable package with Dish. Plus Dish does not offer my #1 reason for paying for service to begin with, EI (EI will be $40 cheaper for me this year than last year). The point being, there is a reason why you (Hemi) chose Dish and I chose Direct. I am glad there are these differing options available for differing taste and differing setups.

Hemi,
I am going to same the same thing I said on another thread when you compared packages and channel options.

The particular package and setup I have is cheaper than the comparable package with Dish. Plus Dish does not offer my #1 reason for paying for service to begin with, EI (EI will be $40 cheaper for me this year than last year). The point being, there is a reason why you (Hemi) chose Dish and I chose Direct. I am glad there are these differing options available for differing taste and differing setups.

Thats the thing for me also. To be able to have the same thing with E*, it would cost me more. Yes, I can get mutli room DVR service with E* cheaper, I cant get multi room HD DRV service cheaper however, and that is what I want. In MY case, the cost is better for HD where I have it.

One thing I'll give D* . Is I'm glad they are dropping that Dumb MLB super fan Scam.
Now if they can just do that with NFL ST.
HD Access means HD Access

I don't hate anyone either Yea me either.:)
I would imagine E* had some real problems in the past that made a lot of you switch. But I've had the same bad past with D*. Nothing major I just didn't feel like I was getting much for what I was paying for. Same as you with E*.
I said D* has a nice HD DVR pack. But now it $76 per month. And E* Top 250 DVR atvantage with HD is $77 now. Yes D* $1 cheaper, But with E*
You also getting all the Encore channels,TMCw, TMCxw,
Fox Soccor,ESPNU,CBSC,Outdoor,Hallmark Movie channel,SiTv, Plus 17 independent channels.
D* you get YES, Fuel,Bet Jazz,Logo,The N,FBN,NRB.
I guess it what you like. But I would gladly pay $1 more for Just for ESPNU and all the Encore channels.

Now if they can just do that with NFL ST.
HD Access means HD Access

I agree with you here. The Superfan for the NFL ST is why I dropped the NFL ST several years ago. The first year D* had the NFL games in HD there was no extra charge for them. The next year D* charged an extra $100 for HD and it irritated me to no end and I said the heck with that and dropped the ST, which I had been getting for years.

"Which price increase sucks more?", the one I have to pay for, which would be DIRECTV. Duh.

"Which price increase sucks more?", the one I have to pay for, which would be DIRECTV. Duh.

Kind of missed the point of the thread......:p

Then again, I guess that is as good of an answer as any

Yea me either.:)
I would imagine E* had some real problems in the past that made a lot of you switch. But I've had the same bad past with D*. Nothing major I just didn't feel like I was getting much for what I was paying for. Same as you with E*.
I said D* has a nice HD DVR pack. But now it $76 per month. And E* Top 250 DVR atvantage with HD is $77 now. Yes D* $1 cheaper, But with E*
You also getting all the Encore channels,TMCw, TMCxw,
Fox Soccor,ESPNU,CBSC,Outdoor,Hallmark Movie channel,SiTv, Plus 17 independent channels.
D* you get YES, Fuel,Bet Jazz,Logo,The N,FBN,NRB.
I guess it what you like. But I would gladly pay $1 more for Just for ESPNU and all the Encore channels.


Well when you pay for channels and you wake up one morning and they are gone.Then your told by Charlie that he's fighting for you against the greedy programmers to save you money.Then next Feb.1st your package goes up $3. dollars?.That I believe is why most left E*.;)
Then you have the ones who left when E* dropped sports packages.Then there's the ones that don't like a DVR fee per DVR. or didn't like the receivers or DVRs like the 921.Myself I like the national basic channels so I waited and waited for basic channels to be added that were not.I never thought I would have DirecTV but I do like it.:)

I never thought I would have DirecTV but I do like it.:)

As one who has both, I think MOST who havent had the other would be happy with the other if they switched at this point. Premiums, and sports are the main differences. I know you and Hemi have had both, but in all honesty, there is not much difference between the them other than what you have both said.

I am primarily viewing my D* system for the same reasons you are though.

As one who has both, I think MOST who havent had the other would be happy with the other if they switched at this point. Premiums, and sports are the main differences. I know you and Hemi have had both, but in all honesty, there is not much difference between the them other than what you have both said.

I am primarily viewing my D* system for the same reasons you are though.


Except the fact with all due respect that Hemi didn't list all the national basic channels that D* carries compared to E*.:)

But then again you know that.;)

I think it's a good thing to try both providers then you can decide which one you like.But I do think it's common knowledge that the best D* subscribers are previous E* subscribers.;):D

You know when I had E* I thought on both provider's standard receivers you had to press Info to see the program's information.Imagine my surprise when I first went with DirecTV,Hey the program's information is on top of the grid guide and hey DirecTV makes and sells a backlighted remote control.:)

We have had E* since the early 90's. We have not been happy with the last programming changes. We dropped from the 250 to 100 plan with HD and Locals
due to price increases.

When looking at the new D* programming I see more of what we watch in there mid level package. I would really like the Mtn. sports network. I don't see E* adding that anytime soon.

I digress. E* has been pushing towards the edge, where we are considering D*.

The new promotion is cheaper at first, but I don't want to lock us in to a contract.

I don't think there enough competition in pricing, which is the quandary in deciding whether to switch.

How is the economy going to affect D* and E* pricing?

We have had E* since the early 90's. We have not been happy with the last programming changes. We dropped from the 250 to 100 plan with HD and Locals
due to price increases.

When looking at the new D* programming I see more of what we watch in there mid level package. I would really like the Mtn. sports network. I don't see E* adding that anytime soon.

I digress. E* has been pushing towards the edge, where we are considering D*.

The new promotion is cheaper at first, but I don't want to lock us in to a contract.

I don't think there enough competition in pricing, which is the quandary in deciding whether to switch.

How is the economy going to affect D* and E* pricing?

D* Has a quarter report coming out next week I think, and I have read that you wont see big drops in subscribers. Last report had an increase. I recently looked at what had E* had to offer, If you have more then one HD TV (I have 2) the fees are crazy as E* for me cost much more then D*, when I priced it out on the dishbuilder site

I have no premiums with D* just HD and Two TV's and Two DVR's E's cost was about 90 and D* with the new price increase has me a bit over 80