Verizon FiOS has every single premium movie that exists in HD, 70 of them! every spinoff, every west coast feed, everything! Why can't DirecTV match that? for what they charge for them we should have at least 80! enough of the stupid sports packages! does anyone actually subscribe to Cricket Ticket? give me more movies! get rid of pay per view movies on regular channels too! total waste of bandwidth! If this keeps up I'll switch to FiOS if they ever get here.

Good point regarding FIOS. If DTV didn't have the NFL Sunday Tkt pkg locked up until the end of the 2010 NFL season, I would have looked hard at FIOS TV as I have FIOS 'net and phone svc at present.

Speaking of sports :) It's my take that DTV offers the best sports pkgs of the providers. I'm referring to the availability of pro sports pks in general, MLB, NHL, NFL, etc. I'm not sure about the individual sports channels that are in DTV's "sports" pk, ie Golf Channel, etc. Perhaps other providers offer better deals for the $ with those pks.

I'm signed up for the 2-yr DTV HD/DVR service so by the end of NFL business '10, I'll look closely about switching providers.

Do the other providers also charge an "HD Access" fee, ie Dish? That additional fee bugs me, for some reason. I guess I believe that I shouldn't be charged an additional fee as I already bought the HD/DVR upgrade.

HD access fees don't bother me, as long as they don't charge extra for locals like E* does.

sports are boring. half of the packages arent even in HD either. i'd rather HD watch movies 24 hours a day than pay 300 bucks a year to be able to see football 6 hours a day 17 days out of the year. theres no comparison! if you want to see a certain team save yourself the money and move to their market.

I have dropped the premium movie packages since Directv doesn't add more channels like they promised.
WGN, Travel Channel and ESPNU should be HD and ESPNU should be in the ESPN tier...
Check out Charter cable and see what happened when they didn't add channels...

Charter isnt available here. Comcast won't allow it due to their anti-competitive, monopolistic modus operandi. its the other way around in the next town over though.

I'm curious how you come up with 70 HD premium channels. When I count (including ones that aren't normally considered premium channels) I only get 47 which still blows D* away and D* should be ashamed of themselves. As D* customer I am annoyed at D*'s lacked of HD premium movie channels.

Here they are:

840 Starz HD
842 Starz Edge HD
845 Starz Kids & Family HD
847 Starz Comedy HD
850 Encore HD
865 Showtime HD
866 Showtime West HD
867 Showtime Showcase HD
868 Showtime Showcase West HD
869 Showtime 2 HD
870 Showtime 2 West HD
873 Showtime Extreme HD
874 Showtime Extreme West HD
885 TMC HD
886 TMC West HD
887 TMC Xtra HD
888 TMC Xtra West HD
899 HBO HD
901 HBO West HD
902 HBO 2 HD
903 HBO 2 West HD
904 HBO Signature HD
905 HBO Signature West HD
906 HBO Family HD
907 HBO Family West HD
908 HBO Comedy HD
909 HBO Comedy West HD
910 HBO Zone HD
911 HBO Zone West HD
912 HBO Latino HD
913 HBO Latino West HD
920 Cinemax HD
921 Cinemax West HD
922 More Max HD
923 More Max West HD
924 Action Max HD
925 Action Max West HD
926 Thriller Max HD
927 Thriller Max West HD
928 WMAX HD
929 At Max HD
930 Five Star Max HD
931 OuterMax HD
740 Hallmark Movie Channel HD
744 MGM Channel HD
746 HD Net Movies
641 Lifetime Movie Network HD

it said 70 on the Fios wikisite. i guess someone miscounted. or they counted the basic cable channels that occassionally show movies like Spike, TBS, USA, FX, TNT, Disney. but its still way more than D* and yes D* should be ashamed of themselves.

List of Verizon FiOS channels - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

it said 70 on the Fios wikisite. i guess someone miscounted. or they counted the basic cable channels that occassionally show movies like TBS, USA, FX, TNT, Disney. but its still way more than D*.

Fuzzy and misleading numbers from a TV provider? Shocking!!!! :eek::eek:

But yes it is way more than D* and they suck in this department.

ya well D* does it too. 130 national HD channels? bullshit! i have 74 HD channels. the other 56 are in sports pack, most of which are regional sports networks whos only HD content is live games, which are blacked out unless you pay even more for a stupid out of market sports package!

ya well D* does it too. 130 national HD channels? bullshit! i have 74 HD channels. the other 56 are in sports pack, most of which are regional sports networks whos only HD content is live games, which are blacked out unless you pay even more for a stupid out of market sports package!

I know D* does it. E* does it. Comcast does it. They all do it. That was my point by trying to impart sarcasm into my post. I guess it didn't translate into words.

yeah I got the sarcasm. everyone does it. there should be some kind of law against false advertising...:mad:

yeah I got the sarcasm. everyone does it. there should be some kind of law against false advertising...:mad:
There are laws. Unfortunately, inconsistency and differing counting procedures are not considered false advertising. Counting PPV (for example) as part of a total may be viewed as misleading to many and one can debate weather they should or should not be counted, but it is not considered false advertising, nor should it be. As long as the provider(s) inform the public what they are counting, it is not false.

Before anyone misinterprets what I mean, let me first say that I too do not think PPVs should be counted as part of the total. Even mores so, I also do not think the government should tell a provider that they cannot count it as part of their total. As long as the provider(s) make(s) it known that PPVs, or any other channel that one does not think should be counted, are counted as part of their total, then I have no issue with their counting procedures.

yeah well REGIONAL sports networks SHOULD NOT be counted in their total NATIONAL HD channels. this is what angers me most. :mad: and it should be a capital offense to do so.

yeah well REGIONAL sports networks SHOULD NOT be counted in their total NATIONAL HD channels. this is what angers me most. :mad: and it should be a capital offense to do so.
This is exactly why I made the point I made. Many would argue that RSNs should be counted because any sub can pay to get all of them and pay extra to get the games on them as well (blackouts are not an issue if they pay). Others argue that they should not be counted because they repeat content, show the same program, and are full of blackouts (if you do not pay for the extra sports packages). Heck, some even think premiums should not be counted either because one has to pay extra to view them as well. The point is, whose counting standard is correct? Why should there be a law saying one must or must not include RSNs, premium channels, or PPVs in their count? As long as the provider lets the public know what they are including in their count, then it should not be illegal to count a channel that does show HD (even if you have to pay extra, can only view one program per purchase, or it is similar to other channels).

Personally I do not have a problem with a provider counting a full time RSN as part of their national total since ANY sub ANYWHERE in the country is able to get ANY RSN full time. I am able to watch YES and NESN and any other full time RSN here in LA if I wanted to pay for it, just as I can with HBO, ex. If a channel is available nationally, like RSNs are, then they should be counted. Why should that be a capital offense?

because without rules there is chaos. if everyone followed the same rules in regards to counting what IS and what ISNT a channel then their would be no need for this discussion. if had my way their would be NO blackouts, out of market sports packages, or ppv.

because without rules there is chaos. if everyone followed the same rules in regards to counting what IS and what ISNT a channel then their would be no need for this discussion. if had my way their would be NO blackouts, out of market sports packages, or ppv.
But whose rules are correct? There is also a difference between rules and laws. Consistency is nice and I wish all providers used the same consistent counting methods (either all count full time RSNs or all don't count them). I just have a problem with more laws and more government involvement in such a minor issue as channel counts.

the problem with capitalism is that you cant satisfy everyone all of the time.

the problem with capitalism is that you cant satisfy everyone all of the time.
True. Even more true with other market systems as well (actually, more people are consistently not satisfied... :p)

The nice thing about a free market is that we have choices (such as the choices with the providers we are currently discussing). With this type of system a customer must be aware of the difference between these choices. Too much regulation of capitalism, customers then begin to become too dependent on bureaucratic solutions to problems, and thus less aware of the differences between these choices without the assistance of others (less independence).

yeah at least we're not communist but equality in TV would lead to a happier society

Well...let's just say there are 105 HD channels in my FiOS TV lineup with three more (Golf HD, Encore HD and HSN HD) on the way (showing up in other markets )...no counting dozens of PPV of part-time HD channels.

I too am getting tired of the white lies by providers. I honestly dont see how D* can match other providers especally when E* launches a bunch of channels later on this month. D12 is going to add bandwith how? The reason why I have been on D*'s case the past month is because they havent given me a reason to think otherwise. Give me a reason to talk up some good about D*, Because I havent seen it. The 180 this company has done has me litterally shaking my head.

yeah well REGIONAL sports networks SHOULD NOT be counted in their total NATIONAL HD channels. this is what angers me most. :mad: and it should be a capital offense to do so.

I am with dodger on this, as most know. If one can pay to get the channel (games included) I count it. Does this make it a channel for everyone, no, but for me it qualifies. I guess everyone should go by what they can get, and for some, what is important to them as a channel.

However I too, wish there was a standard for counting. As it is though, there is not, and companies can count anything as long as they are not flat out telling a lie, and most are not.

Well, if you believe D*, D12 is suppose to add room for 50 more HD channels. Until we know exactly where D12 is going to go and at what frequencies, I will give them the benefit of the doubt and believe that it will give 50 more channels. However, since it won't launch until late September, it will be the end of the year until this space becomes available.

However, lack of bandwidth isn't their problem right now. They probably have room for around 15 channels now but they don't seem inclined to do anything with that space.

However, lack of bandwidth isn't their problem right now. They probably have room for around 15 channels now but they don't seem inclined to do anything with that space.

Yeah, I am puzzled by that also. It does not seem to be a bandwidth issue, it seems to be something else

it seems to be something else


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To be fair though ,I think D* needs the new strict contracts with networks. D* need to start laying down the law, or the monthly bills are going to get way out of hand.
Think about it, as much as some don't want to admit, D* has a fairly High price per channel offering then many providers, and alot of it has to do with NFL ST HUGH bill.

i dont know why my thread was moved to E* vs D* war zone, when its actually D* vs Verizon FiOs (V*? F*?)

no way I'd ever get E*, they don't even have MLBN!

The warzone does not necessarily have to be about D vs E. It can be about any provider vs another.

(pretending to care about teams that aren't the Lions):

how bout them Steelers?

Think about it, as much as some don't want to admit, D* has a fairly High price per channel offering then many providers, and alot of it has to do with NFL ST HUGH bill.

Hemi, You have been saying this an large amount of time lately. Do you have any proof of this?

Hemi, You have been saying this an large amount of time lately. Do you have any proof of this?
For the package I have, this is not true.

(pretending to care about teams that aren't the Lions):

how bout them Steelers?
Good game either way. One of the best SB I have seen.

premiums on D* are way more expensive per channel than alot of providers, especially since half of them aren't in HD.

Well, if you believe D*, D12 is suppose to add room for 50 more HD channels. Until we know exactly where D12 is going to go and at what frequencies, I will give them the benefit of the doubt and believe that it will give 50 more channels. However, since it won't launch until late September, it will be the end of the year until this space becomes available.

However, lack of bandwidth isn't their problem right now. They probably have room for around 15 channels now but they don't seem inclined to do anything with that space.

50 more HD channels?
:eureka (waves hand in the air like a schoolkid) pick premum movie channels! pick premium movie channels!

50 more HD channels?
:eureka (waves hand in the air like a schoolkid) pick premum movie channels! pick premium movie channels!

I personally hope they don't pick premium movie channels. They are the biggest waste IMO.

I personally hope they don't pick premium movie channels. They are the biggest waste IMO.
I agree, however I would not mind them adding them at some point for those that do want them

Well...let's just say there are 105 HD channels in my FiOS TV lineup with three more (Golf HD, Encore HD and HSN HD) on the way (showing up in other markets )...no counting dozens of PPV of part-time HD channels.

I had EncoreHD 2 days after I got installed it showed up.

I personally hope they don't pick premium movie channels. They are the biggest waste IMO.
I agree.

I don't watch travel HD, A&E HD, or GOLF HD. I prefer to watch movies so it's not a waste it just isn't what you prefer.

hey channel 77 says the MPEG-2 verions of Showtime, Universal HD and HDNet movies are being deleted. maybe with the freed up bandwidth I'll get my wish. :)

hey channel 77 says the MPEG-2 verions of Showtime, Universal HD and HDNet movies are being deleted. maybe with the freed up bandwidth I'll get my wish. :)
Bandwidth isn't the issue. They have enough bandwidth to add additional HD channels.

hey channel 77 says the MPEG-2 verions of Showtime, Universal HD and HDNet movies are being deleted. maybe with the freed up bandwidth I'll get my wish. :)

Nope. Those channels are on transponders that in the future will be used only for international programming. That's why new installs have dishes that only see 99, 101 and 103. The current MPEG2 HDs are on either 110 or 119. At this point all HD will come from just 99 and 103.

Coming from Charter it is a huge increase in HD. However, my area has a lot of HD compared to other Charter Markets. I believe we are not at 40 or more. I would prefer standard channels before premium. It surprises me that D* doesnt have anything more than Max and More Max. Action Max and Thriller Max has good movies.

yeah I think comcast only has a couple of the HBO and Cinemax's so they have them in the same package since theyre owned by the same company.

I hope you wrote D* to express your disappointment with their premium HD movie channel offerings.

I recently did and got two responses from them, seemingly from the first level and from a management level.

They need to know that they have fallen well behind some of their competition and that their subscribers have noticed and are dissatisfied about it.

I agree with Dodger and some of the others, it all boils down to what YOU consider important. If Directv doesn't offer what you consider important, then alternatives are out there for you to consider.

For me, the out-of-town RSNs in HD are a lot more of a dealmaker than having every premium movie channel feed in HD. Contrary to what some others have written, the basic sports pack DOES include a lot of out-of-town live HD games (mostly college, which is what I watch) as well as game replays and original programming in HD. That's why for ME, FiOS is a non-starter since they don't offer up any package for out-of-town RSNs, even in SD. Saying that RSNs should not count, while premium movie channels should count is just flatout absurd.

I have HBO and because I primarily watch the original programming and not movies on HBO, I don't care one way or another if HBO2, Signature, Family, and Latino are in HD. Having the programming on the RSNs in HD is a lot more important.

I too am fed up with Direct TV's lack of premium movie channel offerings. I have been complaining about it for years. I can't understand how D* has the temerity to only offer 3 Cinemax channels while FIOS offers every single Cinemax (and they are all in HD!). They also cheat HBO customers out of HBO Comedy and Zone. Starz and Showtime are somewhat better but still not as good as FIOS. And I agree with most everyone else that the sports package sucks--they mostly show crappy games that no one cares about. I switched to the FIOS and I am very happy with it. I am only keeping the very bare bones Family Package so I can keep NFL Sunday Ticket (mostly to be sociable - I could live without it but I have several friends who come over to watch games and I enjoy their company). Maybe D* will finally wake up and make all the premiums available. Why they don't defies my imagination.

Hemi, You have been saying this an large amount of time lately. Do you have any proof of this? Proof of what? That D* Owes $700 million to NFL for Sunday Ticket. Look around thats all over the internet. Whos' paying for this ?
The 2 Million D* customers at $300 a shot.

Most don't even pay this much, "atleast from all the Bragging about it I hear.:rolleyes: "
Who's paying for the other $100 + million for this year?

Proof of what? That D* Owes $700 million to NFL for Sunday Ticket. Look around thats all over the internet. Whos' paying for this ?
The 2 Million D* customers at $300 a shot.

Most don't even pay this much, "atleast from all the Bragging about it I hear.:rolleyes: "
Who's paying for the other $100 + million for this year?

Proof that Directv has a high cost per channel and that all of their subs share in the cost of the Sunday Ticket package. You make it seem like everybody is paying for Sunday Ticket even if they have the package or not.

Proof that Directv has a high cost per channel and that all of their subs share in the cost of the Sunday Ticket package. You make it seem like everybody is paying for Sunday Ticket even if they have the package or not.They are!:yes

I too am fed up with Direct TV's lack of premium movie channel offerings. I have been complaining about it for years. I can't understand how D* has the temerity to only offer 3 Cinemax channels while FIOS offers every single Cinemax (and they are all in HD!). They also cheat HBO customers out of HBO Comedy and Zone. Starz and Showtime are somewhat better but still not as good as FIOS. And I agree with most everyone else that the sports package sucks--they mostly show crappy games that no one cares about. I switched to the FIOS and I am very happy with it. I am only keeping the very bare bones Family Package so I can keep NFL Sunday Ticket (mostly to be sociable - I could live without it but I have several friends who come over to watch games and I enjoy their company). Maybe D* will finally wake up and make all the premiums available. Why they don't defies my imagination.

right on man. email DirecTV as well as HBO/Cinemax, Showtime/TMC and Starz/ Encore and let them know how you feel. maybe if enough of us complain they'll open their eyes to reality.

They are!:yes

I sure as hell will never pay for NFLST or any out of market sports package. I even had sports pack (until I traded it for Skinemax) and like dlma said the games are all blacked out and the ones that aren't are usually on every RSN or not in HD and theyre never teams I've heard of or care about.

I sure as hell will never pay for NFLST or any out of market sports package. I even had sports pack (until I traded it for Skinemax) and like dlma said the games are all blacked out and the ones that aren't are usually on every RSN or not in HD and theyre never teams I've heard of or care about.

Pro games yes, college games not so much (although there are some repeats and smaller schools). Again it comes down to what you prefer. The sports pack is actually more important to me (because of college games) than the sports subscription packages, and those are more important to me than premiums.

For me the sports pack has been worth it because there have been many games this college basketball season that I've been able to watch that were only on out of market RSNs. Without the sports pack I would've missed them. The same was true during college football.

Not to mention that you need the sports pack for CBSC and ESPNU which have many games that are only on those channels. In fact ESPNU HD is my number one most wanted channel that D* doesn't give us.

ESPNU HD should be added and moved to Choice like the rest of the ESPN's but thats a whole other thread. CBSC is worthless, I get the only college sports I'm interested in on Big Ten Network HD.

More HD premiums are nice, but not as critical if they are just showing repeats. Use the precious BW wisely, and give me that Travel Channel HD!

give me that Travel Channel HD!

+1000000:up

give me that Travel Channel HD!

You know, this channel was not high on my list to be honest. However after seeing so many people call for it, I decided to give it a watch and see if it really interested me. I have to say now, that I want this one as well.

You know, this channel was not high on my list to be honest. However after seeing so many people call for it, I decided to give it a watch and see if it really interested me. I have to say now, that I want this one as well.

you feel like your taking a vacation without going anywhere :D

you feel like your taking a vacation without going anywhere :D

That and the food based programming. MMMMMMMM......lol

That and the food based programming. MMMMMMMM......lol
yep:up

That and the food based programming. MMMMMMMM......lol

The Bizarre Food with Andrew Zimmern in HD will get your appetite pumping, one way or the other, I know, I was able to watch it in HD on my 722 for a few weeks about a year ago:)