Well E* has announced some more new National HD channels launching tomorrow March 11th

Coming March 11th
The Movie Channel HD
BET JazzHD
ShowcaseHD
Showtime2 HD

By April 1st
NickHD
MTVHD
ComedyCentralHD
VH1HD
CMTHD
BETHD
SpikeHD

So is Directv going to fire back with some more national HD as well, Like
Travel HD
WGN
Encore
HBO's
Cinemax's


Or just more PPV's and RSN's????:p

i hope they do fire back. :) i don't know how this current owner for D reacts to competition but we'll find out soon;)

Don't say "SOON":D

BET JAZZ though??? What the HELL is that all about? Great Channel choice there Charlie!:rolleyes:

How is Smithsonian dropped over WFN and Bet Jazz?

Of course not. You people are dreaming. There is no war as far as I can tell. When the company launches a new satellite then they start spewing this bull crap about a war. Then it dies off.

Don't say "SOON":D
:D:D

BET JAZZ though??? What the HELL is that all about? Great Channel choice there Charlie!:rolleyes:
it's not the best choice considering what is still available out there but if you love music it might be ok;)

How is Smithsonian dropped over WFN and Bet Jazz? yeah, that i don't get but it's always the same old charlie with these things. you never know what channel might be pulled off at midnight. the other additions on the list are very good!:up

Of course not. You people are dreaming. There is no war as far as I can tell.

you can say the same for both sides. things have been very slow compared to the beginning of 08 and the end of 07 :) neither is making a huge splash lately

:D:D

it's not the best choice considering what is still available out there but if you love music it might be ok;)
yeah, that i don't get but it's always the same old charlie with these things. you never know what channel might be pulled off at midnight. the other additions on the list are very good!:up

sorry for the misspells. fixed it :o

Yea its a Good List . A few premiums, but not really that many left on E* thats not HD, Unless you get into the Encore pack. But this is a nice addtion for the Showtime subscriber, and a really Nice Suprise for the AEP subscriber like myself.
But I guess Bet Jazz is going to be in the Platinum HD pack. So I won't get that. OH Darn!

i hope they do fire back. :) i don't know how this current owner for D reacts to competition but we'll find out soon;)
Looking at the last few quarters, D* has nothing to fear from the competition.

Channels Dish will add that Direct already has:

The Movie Channel HD
ShowcaseHD
Showtime2 HD

NickHD
MTVHD
ComedyCentralHD
VH1HD
CMTHD
SpikeHD

Channels Dish will be adding that Direct does not have:

BET JazzHD
BET HD

I don't think Direct has anything to worry about? Adding 2 channels that Direct does not currently have, which interest only a small segment of the population is nothing worth Firing back for.

Well E* has announced some more new National HD channels launching tomorrow March 11th

Coming March 11th
The Movie Channel HD
BET JazzHD
ShowcaseHD
Showtime2 HD

By April 1st
NickHD
MTVHD
ComedyCentralHD
VH1HD
CMTHD
BETHD
SpikeHD

So is Directv going to fire back with some more national HD as well, Like
Travel HD
WGN
Encore
HBO's
Cinemax's


Or just more PPV's and RSN's????:p


Travel and WGN would be nice, but does WGN show other HD, other then baseball I am asumeing is in HD. I do wonder why Direct has not added travel?. In answering the question, dont think there will be any firing back though

Travel and WGN would be nice, but does WGN show other HD, other then baseball I am asumeing is in HD. I do wonder why Direct has not added travel?. In answering the question, dont think there will be any firing back though
There is nothing to fire back with. Aside from BET, Dish is not adding anything that Direct doesn't already have.

Looking at the last few quarters, D* has nothing to fear from the competition.

of course not but you and i would still benefit from D* staying in this competition and adding more channels no matter how good the numbers are for D*;)

There is nothing to fire back with. Aside from BET, Dish is not adding anything that Direct doesn't already have.

That ignores the fact that Dish is adding most of the national HD that gave Direct the comparative advantage. After this, direct will have more Sports in HD and Dish will have more movies. Dish is going to be much more competitive by being able to say that they offer the Viacom's in HD. (Most subs don't care that the channels have <5% of actual HD content, they just want to see those mainstream channels in HD.)

So Direct should be looking to fire back, if only to keep the edge.

There is nothing to fire back with. Aside from BET, Dish is not adding anything that Direct doesn't already have. What about these?

Encore HD
Action Max HD
5 Star Max HD
HBO Comedy HD
HBO Latino HD
HBO Zone HD
HBO 2 HD
HBO Family HD
HBO Signature
LifeTime HD
Lifetime Movie HD
WGN HD
Travel HD
Hallmark Movie Channel HD
World Fishing Network HD
They could add these.

Why? Dish Network has X number of HD-Lite channels while DirecTV has X number of HD channels. It's like comparing apples to rotten oranges. The only thing DirecTV (and FiOS for that matter) has to do is continue to provide better picture quality and a superior overall programming value and they will continue to rack up big numbers, while Dish Network will continue to struggle. Now, if E* were to increase the HD PQ, bring back VOOM, settle the Tivo case, get rid of the confusing programming paks, dump all the additional fees and stop yanking channels "to save customers money"...then perhaps D* will be forced to respond.

What about these?

Encore HD
Action Max HD
5 Star Max HD
HBO Comedy HD
HBO Latino HD
HBO Zone HD
HBO 2 HD
HBO Family HD
HBO Signature
LifeTime HD
Lifetime Movie HD
WGN HD
Travel HD
Hallmark Movie Channel HD
World Fishing Network HD

They could add these.

from that list i would like Travel,WGN

Directvs only HD channels that E* won't have will be
Fuel
Speed
FX
MLB
YES
MSG
MSG+
Smithsonian
A Bunch of BS PPV

FX ,YES and SPEED is all I want from D* entire HD lineup.

What about these?

Encore HD
Action Max HD
5 Star Max HD
HBO Comedy HD
HBO Latino HD
HBO Zone HD
HBO 2 HD
HBO Family HD
HBO Signature
LifeTime HD
Lifetime Movie HD
WGN HD
Travel HD
Hallmark Movie Channel HD
World Fishing Network HD

They could add these.
Of course they can. Out of all of those, the only few that would make any difference would be Lifetime, WGN, Travel, and Hallmark. Most people don't care about Premiums, especially in HD.

Besides, that wasn't my point. I stated, "...out of those they are ADDING" in response to your point about Direct firing back. The emphasis of this whole thread is on the NEW channels being added. There is nothing, aside from BET, that Dish is adding that will give them an edge over Direct. Considering they already have most of the channels on the list, are pounding Dish in every direction, have the competitive edge in sports (which is very important in the HD market...much more so than Premiums), and are still adding channels, they have very little to worry about.

Of course I want them to add more HD channels; WGN and Travel would be nice (the only ones I care for on the list). If Direct were to add every channel on this list you provided, it will not make much of a difference in their success. They have a long time before they need to hit the panic button (the situation Dish is currently in).

FX ,YES and SPEED is all I want from D* entire HD lineup.
Not the MLB channel? This is the channel I watch the most. In fact, I am currently watching a good WBC game (Dominican vs. Netherlands).

If you have yet to see MLB channel and you are a baseball fan, this channel is probably better than you think. Putting fan and sports bias aside, the MLB channel is better than the NFL, NBA, and NHL. For only being on a few months, you can tell they did a good job at planning how to run this channel and the programming they will be showing.

Why? Dish Network has X number of HD-Lite channels while DirecTV has X number of HD channels. It's like comparing apples to rotten oranges. The only thing DirecTV (and FiOS for that matter) has to do is continue to provide better picture quality....
HD on Dish is just as good as DirecTV -and yes I have seen both on comparable TV's. This whole HD-Lite thing gets old. They're both "lite" compared to OTA HD but still look decent.

Most people don't care about Premiums, especially in HD.. And you know this how? I Bet Cinemax has More subscribers then ANY of D* sports packs. We already know D* only has 2 Million subscribers to NFL ST.

Not the MLB channel? This is the channel I watch the most. In fact, I am currently watching a good WBC game (Dominican vs. Netherlands).

If you have yet to see MLB channel and you are a baseball fan, this channel is probably better than you think. Putting fan and sports bias aside, the MLB channel is better than the NFL, NBA, and NHL. For only being on a few months, you can tell they did a good job at planning how to run this channel and the programming they will be showing. YES HD is all I need. Baseball season is long enough. I don't need to watch it everyday.

And you know this how? I Bet Cinemax has More subscribers then ANY of D* sports packs. We already know D* only has 2 Million subscribers to NFL ST.I wasn't very clear.
You are probably correct, but in HD?

What I meant by "few people caring about premiums", I was putting in the perspective of competitive edge and the HD niche subs.

First, there are way more SD subs than HD subs and since pretty much all providers show most of the premium channels that people want to view in SD, offering a channel in HD is not going to make much of a difference. Whereas the sports packages are exclusive in both SD and HD.

Second, I would be willing to bet that HD sports packages give a provider much more in the way of a competitive edge than HD premium packages.

IOW, there are probably more subs that sign up with Direct exclusively for sports than Dish exclusively for premiums (especially since other providers also carry MOST of the premiums that people care about).

Speaking of the MLB channel, the Netherlands just won a dramatic game upsetting the powerhouse Dominican with a come from behind game in the 10th inning after being down by one. This is like watching a semi-pro team beat a MLB All Star team.

Speaking of the MLB channel, the Netherlands just won a dramatic game upsetting the powerhouse Dominican with a come from behind game in the 10th inning after being down by one. WOW thanks for the update.:p:haha

WOW thanks for the update.:p:haha
The first time they had the WBC, I could care less. Even this year I did not give it a second thought. This whole thing seemed pretty lame to me, and I am a huge baseball fan. I started watching some of these games just because it was on and it started to catch my interest. I love watching a Bad News Bears team beat a powerhouse.

The first time they had the WBC, I could care less. Even this year I did not give it a second thought. This whole thing seemed pretty lame to me, and I am a huge baseball fan. I started watching some of these games just because it was on and it started to catch my interest. I love watching a Bad News Bears team beat a powerhouse. Well atleast you got a channel you love and in HD.
I can only say maybe the same about HD Theater, or Travel HD. If I lost them I'd die!:mad:
American Chopper is My favorite, And Bizarre Foods on Travel I like.
Those are about my only Must See programs, Untill NFL starts.

Well atleast you got a channel you love and in HD.
I can only say maybe the same about HD Theater, or Travel HD. If I lost them I'd die!:mad:
American Chopper is My favorite, And Bizarre Foods on Travel I like.
Those are about my only Must See programs, Untill NFL starts.
Travel an WGN are my top 2 on my wish list

FX ,YES and SPEED is all I want from D* entire HD lineup.SOON:p

ESPNU HD is my first choice for D* channels adds. After that would be more HBO/Max HD channels.

For E* to add these is a big deal for them IMO. Yes, D* has most of these already, but up until now it was giving D* some competitive advantage. Right now the only real advantage D* has is more RSNs (granted important to a lot of people) and sports PPV packages (less important to most people IMO). E* has a big advantage in HD Premiums. IMO more people would be swayed by HD premiums than the sports PPVs. I'd be stunned if D* had more MLB/ST customers than premium movie channel customers.

But because D* continues to rake in tons of new customers and lots of cash, they probably feel like there is no real reason to change what they are doing. Unfortunately for us D* customers that means not much new stuff on the HD horizon.

This may be of topic, but one thing I do like about Dish, that I have read many dish folks are not that crazy about is the number of packages they have. I like the fact that if I was a dish subcriber in the spring/summmer could move to a decent lower tier package. Directv does not have much choice. I have been with Directv for a long time. While I love sports, I dont really feel the need to continue to have sunday ticket anymore.

I have been thinking about a change, but only in the thinking phase. I see that there current promotion goes to July I believe, so that gives me a bit more time to really decide as changing providers is a big deal to me, since I have been with directv since 2000

Its not they don't like the number of Packages Dishnetwork offers, Its how they are all Named almost the same. Its confusing to some.

D* HD Packs are just that Limited.
You can pay a Minimum of $40 and get nothing, Then its $65 and then $70 for somthing.
atleast with E* You Got
$30,$40,$50 with Turbo HD only Packs
Or $50,$63,$73 For Classic HD, Locals,and DVR

Directvs only HD channels that E* won't have will be

Fuel
Speed
FX
MLB
YES
MSG
MSG+
Smithsonian
A Bunch of BS PPV




Without having the MSG's in HD and YES in anyform, E* slams the door in the face of 28 million people in the states of NY and NJ. If r competition picks up only 1% of those potential subs (280,000), that will make that 100,000 churn rate for 4th Qtr look like peanuts.

Wake up Charlie and stop forcing us out the door. Even if you only offered the MSG's, YES and MLB on another tier for a separate fee, it would shut us up on how these channels aren't even available to us.

We get MSG and MSG+. Just not in HD, Plus we get SNY.
YES is the only channel that E* doesn't carry for NY. I can assure you not Every New Yorker is a Yankees Fan.

Why? Dish Network has X number of HD-Lite channels while DirecTV has X number of HD channels. It's like comparing apples to rotten oranges. The only thing DirecTV (and FiOS for that matter) has to do is continue to provide better picture quality and a superior overall programming value and they will continue to rack up big numbers, while Dish Network will continue to struggle. Now, if E* were to increase the HD PQ, bring back VOOM, settle the Tivo case, get rid of the confusing programming paks, dump all the additional fees and stop yanking channels "to save customers money"...then perhaps D* will be forced to respond.


Best synopsis of why Directv needs to do nothing! And for those that can't see the difference in HD between providers, thats fine - enjoy what you have.

The fact is it is proven that Directv has higher bitrates and less channels per transponder. Tough to see the difference on a 37" Vizio, but easy to see on a 50" Pioneer.

And you know this how? I Bet Cinemax has More subscribers then ANY of D* sports packs. We already know D* only has 2 Million subscribers to NFL ST.

That would be because of the penny deal for cinemax hemi. that's all I had when i subscribed to dish because it's practically free;) with directv i have no premiums.i'm not really interested in adding premiums because it ain't worth $$ it to me. i'm happy enough with netflix:). i would rather have some of the other ones you listed though that are not premiums;)

Fine HBO then D* charges $15 per month for this. And I bet D* has more the 2 million subscribing to HBO. Not to mention E*,Fios,Uverse,Cable. Way more then any sports pack I'm sure.

Fine HBO then D* charges $15 per month for this. And I bet D* has more the 2 million subscribing to HBO. Not to mention E*,Fios,Uverse,Cable. Way more then any sports pack I'm sure.

that's fine but it doesn't benefit me at all since I don't subscribe to movie premiums. and for sure you wont catch me paying for PPV movies either;)

your case is valid hemi but not for someone like me :)

by the way did you ever switch to eastern arc?

that's fine but it doesn't benefit me at all since I don't subscribe to movie premiums. and for sure you wont catch me paying for PPV movies either;)

your case is valid hemi but not for someone like me :)See you feel about Premiums as I feel about sports packs. I'm more then Fine watching my local RSN, Just as your fine watching Netfix movies. But I never said "Most people don't care about sports pack" Like someone said about the Movie packs.:) But he refrased it and now we made up.:D

by the way did you ever switch to eastern arc? Yes and just switched back ,Because E* was being a Pain in the arse about Giving me Euronews off the 61.5, So I had to get a Dish 500 Plus, Which is the size of a Slimline. So I didn't want that with a 1000.4 hanging off my house. Because I already had a Wing dish for the 119 because my wife likes All American Direct. So I took down the 1000.4 and switched back too the 500+ and 61.5 Wing.
I didn't lose anything, SD Mpeg 4 ,But OH well.

See you feel about Premiums as I feel about sports packs. I'm more then Fine watching my local RSN, Just as your fine watching Netfix movies. But I never said "Most people don't care about sports pack" Like someone said about the Movie packs.:) But he refrased it and now we made up.:D

:luvlove::D

Yes and just switched back ,Because E* was being a Pain in the arse about Giving me Euronews off the 61.5, So I had to get a Dish 500 Plus, Which is the size of a Slimline. So I didn't want that with a 1000.4 hanging off my house. Because I already had a Wing dish for the 119 because my wife likes All American Direct. So I took down the 1000.4 and switched back too the 500+ and 61.5 Wing.
I didn't lose anything, SD Mpeg 4 ,But OH well.


nah... eventually all the sd will be mpeg 4 but it's not like it takes a whole lot of space either on a Hard Drive in mpeg2. it would help dish make room on those sats though. no biggie.......

But I never said "Most people don't care about sports pack" Like someone said about the Movie packs.:) But he refrased it and now we made up.:D
Aww, you guys:D

Where is vampz when you need him? Hey vampz, sports RULE!!!!!!!!!!!! That goes for you too Hemi! Premiums are blah.......Give me more HD sports!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

The war zone has been to quiet lately......

On the topic, there is really nothing E* is adding that D* needs to worry about YET. However, I hope this does jump start them back into the addition game. Competition is good for everyone

I haven't seen Vamps in Quite sometime

I haven't seen Vamps in Quite sometime
He has been laying low lately. I did talk to him via pm a week or so ago inviting him back to the game:D

We get MSG and MSG+. Just not in HD, Plus we get SNY.
YES is the only channel that E* doesn't carry for NY. I can assure you not Every New Yorker is a Yankees Fan.

Since you are happy with SD versions, I suppose you still rent vhs movies then? That is how to compare SD vs. HD. SD is like a vhs and HD is like watching a DVD.

Also, I don't need a bullhead CEO telling me what team I should be happy to watch. BTW, just because the Buffalo Bisons are now the Met's farmteam, does not mean we are fans of the Mets. This has always been Yankees Territory.

He has been laying low lately. I did talk to him via pm a week or so ago inviting him back to the game:D

yeah i spoke to him recently too. can't blame him for not showing up here;) but he does post almost everyday.

the warzone is more like the lovezone lately :luvlove: I for one am a lover not a fighter :D

See you feel about Premiums as I feel about sports packs. I'm more then Fine watching my local RSN, Just as your fine watching Netfix movies. But I never said "Most people don't care about sports pack" Like someone said about the Movie packs.:) But he refrased it and now we made up.:D:love:neener

Since you are happy with SD versions, I suppose you still rent vhs movies then? That is how to compare SD vs. HD. SD is like a vhs and HD is like watching a DVD.

. No but I still watch DVD's and they are in SD , If your E* SD looks like a VHS , You might want to get a tv that was made within the last 10 years.
All American Direct is like watching a VHS.

This has always been Yankees Territory. Then instead of complaining Switch to D* or Cablevision.
Or do what I do and Subscribe to a Locals only pack with my Cable Company and Get MSG,MSG+YES,SNY,and Comcast Philly, with about 10 other locals in HD for $25 per month.
Or subscribe to D* for about $55 + per month and Get YES HD.

In the newly updated D* vs E* HD count spread sheet, E* leads D* 72 to 70 if you don't count RSNs and PPVs. With everything counted D* still leads E*.

Note that the stuff coming to E* in April isn't in this list yet so if D* doesn't add anything soon, E* will stretch their "regular" HD channel lead.

http://www.satelliteguys.us/1737310-post403.html

And you know this how? I Bet Cinemax has More subscribers then ANY of D* sports packs. We already know D* only has 2 Million subscribers to NFL ST.
What if Sunday Ticket was a penny?

In the newly updated D* vs E* HD count spread sheet, E* leads D* 72 to 70 if you don't count RSNs and PPVs. With everything counted D* still leads E*.

Note that the stuff coming to E* in April isn't in this list yet so if D* doesn't add anything soon, E* will stretch their "regular" HD channel lead.

http://www.satelliteguys.us/1737310-post403.html

I wonder what is D* doing by keeping three of the same HDPPVs all this time and not adding anything new.

I wonder what is D* doing by keeping three of the same HDPPVs all this time and not adding anything new.

many have said D did this to have slots open for new HD channels. i'm beginning to think directv will stay with all this PPV

We get MSG and MSG+. Just not in HD, Plus we get SNY.
YES is the only channel that E* doesn't carry for NY. I can assure you not Every New Yorker is a Yankees Fan.


I live in CT and I would pay $4.99 for MSG HD Channels to watch my Rangers on Dish!

And yes, if Dish is all about options, add a sports tier with MLB/YES/MSGs in HD. People will pay.

In the newly updated D* vs E* HD count spread sheet, E* leads D* 72 to 70 if you don't count RSNs and PPVs. With everything counted D* still leads E*.

Note that the stuff coming to E* in April isn't in this list yet so if D* doesn't add anything soon, E* will stretch their "regular" HD channel lead.

http://www.satelliteguys.us/1737310-post403.html

I count RSNs!!! SPORTS RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What? What? Huh?:D

I count RSNs!!! SPORTS RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What? What? Huh?:D

Trouble maker ;)

Trouble maker ;)

You want some of this Jagz???????????:tux:

:D

In the newly updated D* vs E* HD count spread sheet, E* leads D* 72 to 70 if you don't count RSNs and PPVs. With everything counted D* still leads E*.

Note that the stuff coming to E* in April isn't in this list yet so if D* doesn't add anything soon, E* will stretch their "regular" HD channel lead.

http://www.satelliteguys.us/1737310-post403.html
That is only true if you count premiums. Why are premiums considered "regular channels", while RSNs are not?

Remove the premiums, RSNs, and PPVs, Direct will still be leading.

That is only true if you count premiums. Why are premiums considered "regular channels", while RSNs are not?

Remove the premiums, RSNs, and PPVs, Direct will still be leading.:up AGREED!

:up AGREED!

that makes two

that makes two

That makes five:up

I am using previous E* HD counting math of course:D

What if Sunday Ticket was a penny? I would Have it. If Sunday Ticket was $150 I would have it. But its not so I don't have it.;)

http://www.satelliteguys.us/1737310-post403.html That list is Quite nice ,But the HD Alternate Channels in D* RSN count , Com'on now:rolleyes:
Thats HD Number inflating IMO. D* has 32 Real HD RSN's Not 48.
At least D* and E* Partime RSN 's Have games in HD very Often.
Those Alternates I don't think D* even counts them. :o

That is only true if you count premiums. Why are premiums considered "regular channels", while RSNs are not?

Remove the premiums, RSNs, and PPVs, Direct will still be leading. RSN's Count PPVs Too. But Alternate Channels, Thats a Joke For both E* and D* to count. Thats My Beef with the List. But the List is Great, Don't get me wrong. But You and I both Know the shouldn't be part of any HD count.

Only true National HD channels should count, like on 24 hours a day.

That list is Quite nice ,But the HD Alternate Channels in D* RSN count , Com'on now:rolleyes:
Thats HD Number inflating IMO. D* has 32 Real HD RSN's Not 48.
At least D* and E* Partime RSN 's Have games in HD very Often.
Those Alternates I don't think D* even counts them. :o

I don't disagree. That's why I broke out the separate "national HD" count. Different people use different methods to count. That list breaks out the counts in different ways and provides counts of the different types of channels (look at the line beneath each section) so however you want to count the channels you can do so.

Only true National HD channels should count, like on 24 hours a day.
My hitch cover on my truck (Dodge Ram Hemi, BTW....NOTE FOR HEMI :D) is the exact image you have in your avatar. I added an "R" and "S" to the Dodge name on the tailgate, so it now says, "DODGERS".

That makes five:up

I am using previous E* HD counting math of course:D

lol :D:D

I don't disagree. That's why I broke out the separate "national HD" count. Different people use different methods to count. That list breaks out the counts in different ways and provides counts of the different types of channels (look at the line beneath each section) so however you want to count the channels you can do so.OK but the List under RSN's says 48
I didn't count 48 . I counted 32,
and E* side you listed 25, I counted 25
So your putting Alternates under the D* count but not the E* count?
Just saying Alternate should go with the Alternates. Not the Normal RSN's. If you do it for one then you should do it for Both, But I wouldn't do it for either!

My hitch cover on my truck (Dodge Ram Hemi, BTW....NOTE FOR HEMI :D) is the exact image you have in your avatar. I added an "R" and "S" to the Dodge name on the tailgate, so it now says, "DODGERS". Sweet. Hows yours running? My Truck is OK , But its on it 3rd Water Pump. 53,000 miles. Good thing for that 7/70 on the powertrain.:(.

I had Dish, Switched to DirecTV for all the HD, now they seem about equal.

My contract is about up, I would switch back, but I just love the DireCTV News and Sports mix.
Also DirecTV is working on Multi Room viewing of HD for DVR to DVR (MVR).

The Dishnetwork mix channel really is more of what Dish is paid to advertise in there with a little of each and it only shows 6 channels at once where DirecTV shows 8.

OK but the List under RSN's says 48
I didn't count 48 . I counted 32,
and E* side you listed 25, I counted 25
So your putting Alternates under the D* count but not the E* count?
Just saying Alternate should go with the Alternates. Not the Normal RSN's. If you do it for one then you should do it for Both, But I wouldn't do it for either!

The 48 number is the primary RSN (both full and part time described in columns I thru K ) and alternates in columns M thru P counted together. All of the part time channels grouped in this section, I thru K, are the primary RSN for that area and not an alternate.

To maybe help clarify FSN Ohio listed at cell K38 is grouped with the RSNs because while it is part time it isn't an alternate channel. MSG Plus (636-1) and MSG Plus2 (637-1) are truly alternates to MSG (634) and MSG Plue (635).

But maybe I should put all of the RSNs whether they are full time, part time or alternate in the section especially since not all of the channels in the alternate section of alternates anymore like they were when this list was first created. What do you think? Would it be less confusing?

I say Put the Partime and Fulltime together Because the Before Shows, Games and After Shows are still on the Partime RSNs channels in HD. Atleast on E*, But I would imagine D* too. Thats Most likly 4 hours a day of HD during Baseball and College Football season on the Part Time RSN's.
The Alternates Might not have a game for weeks on them.
I would leave the RSN, Partime and Fulltime in the line up. Just not those no HD showing Alternates
Put those on the side, Next to the NFL ST HD.
MLB pack uses the RSN's so does Hocky and Basketball,and college sports. So thats legit HD programming, Even though they have a ton of Paid Programming during the after hours.
Plus the Partime RSN's, Represent the SD RSN when HD is Needed. So IMO Its the same as an HD channel.
So the Alternates are there incase of blackout, But they are still the same basic channel.
Like E* with the Big Ten. Your never going to see 4 HD games at once.

I took some of the RSNs listed in the alternate section that aren't alternates and moved them over to the regular RSN section. FSN Indiana, FSN Carolinas, FSN Oklahoma and FSN Tennesse. What's in the alternate section now are truly alternates. But they do have some value. If your market has both a NBA and NHL game playing at the same time, then the alternate is needed so that both games can be shown. But most of the time the alternates aren't used.


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Like E* with the Big Ten. Your never going to see 4 HD games at once.

I don't know how E* does it but D* has shown multiple games on the Big Ten Alternates at the same time.

Also can you and your fellow E* subs confirm what's listed for E*'s RSN. I don't know what the current state of E*'s RSNs is.

HD on Dish is just as good as DirecTV -and yes I have seen both on comparable TV's. This whole HD-Lite thing gets old. They're both "lite" compared to OTA HD but still look decent.Quality assurance never gets old and decent TV does not equal HDTV. The FiOS broadcast network channels look just as good as OTA and, to be honest, channels like HDNet and TNTHD (bitrate near 18Mb) look even better since they don't multicast like the local broadcasters do. I feel that if you can tell the difference between OTA and the D*/E* version then you're being cheated. Some people don't care or can't tell the difference - that's fine. However, some people can quickly identify HD-Lite (it usually trigger a gag reflex) and have a right to be upset. Unless something changed in the past few weeks, D*'s HD PQ is better than E* IMO.

I don't know how E* does it but D* has shown multiple games on the Big Ten Alternates at the same time.

Also can you and your fellow E* subs confirm what's listed for E*'s RSN. I don't know what the current state of E*'s RSNs is. Maybe it different when you don't live in Big Ten country. Because My local games are broadcast locally on ABC, Not on Big Ten. I've not seen Multiple games on the alternates. I just Know 98% of the time they are blank.

Then instead of complaining Switch to D* or Cablevision.
Or do what I do and Subscribe to a Locals only pack with my Cable Company and Get MSG,MSG+YES,SNY,and Comcast Philly, with about 10 other locals in HD for $25 per month.
Or subscribe to D* for about $55 + per month and Get YES HD.

Obviously you don't know NY State very well. Grand Island NY is in Western NY between Buffalo and Niagara Falls. There is no comcast or cablevision is this area. Your choices are Dish, Direct or Time Warner and very limited Fios. But that is not the point. Why should I have to subscribe to multiple services just to get my local teams in HD, (and according to Major League Baseball this DMA is also Yankees territory).

Even though I don't want to switch, I am basically forced to switch and will do so, after my NHLCI subscription expires in May.

Obviously you don't know NY State very well. Grand Island NY is in Western NY between Buffalo and Niagara Falls.
.I'm about 3 hours closer to NY city then you are and I live in PA. I have a Cabin in Watertown NY. They aren't many Yankees Fans Up there. Thats Buffalo Country For one thing. Just be cause I live in PA, Doesn't mean that Philly and Pittsburgh are my RSN's, Because they aren't.
If YES was such a problem ,Why did you Pick E* service to begin with?

I don't know how E* does it but D* has shown multiple games on the Big Ten Alternates at the same time.

Also can you and your fellow E* subs confirm what's listed for E*'s RSN. I don't know what the current state of E*'s RSNs is.

The had multi games the other day and over the weekend on E*Big10 HD Alts.

The had multi games the other day and over the weekend on E*Big10 HD Alts. OK Good then I guess they can be added. I just sent an updated list from the 61.5 on th RSNs and Alternates. So they can add the Alternate HD to the E* side now too.

SO?

Any new channels today?