Looks like Dish Network is slowly pulling away....
Drop some PPVHD channels and add some more HD channels...

if it isn't sports it probably won't be added until after D12 is launched

Looks like Dish Network is slowly pulling away....
Drop some PPVHD channels and add some more HD channels...

That's pretty fuzzy math your using if you think DISH has more HD available.

Dish does have more national channels. DirecTV counts blackout filled regional sports networks as national channels even though they're not available to everyone. (cue DodgerKing with a rebuttal)

I told you the "RSN's ARE national" fanboys would be here any minute...

I can't stand to watch anything in SD either, at least we agree on that.

oh man Cabby's grand slam made my week!

Gee Tom,
I'm stating to figure you out now.
Either you DON'T have D*, or you like to BASH something you pay monthly for.
I see you added a bashing signature to your agenda.

I bet you actually have DISH don't you. :mad:


no he has D* and he's not changing providers. but at least he's real honest about the service :rolleyes:

That's me, always telling it like it REALLY is.

Gee Tom,
I'm stating to figure you out now.
Either you DON'T have D*, or you like to BASH something you pay monthly for.
I see you added a bashing signature to your agenda.

I bet you actually have DISH don't you. :mad:

hey Dish, no MLB? no money from me!

hey Comcast, no HD? no money from me!

There's a chart on AVSforums, wait here and I'll go dig it up...


here you go

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1058081

So Tom,
You haven't given a total yet
here's a count
http://www.satelliteguys.us/1777679-post423.html

here's a count
http://www.satelliteguys.us/1777679-post423.html

Oh no this is becoming a DirecTV vs Dish Network warzone thread!

Oh no this is becoming a DirecTV vs Dish Network warzone thread!

Well a Verizon/DirecTv man will Jump in. :)
I waiting for Verizon to add the channels also.

Well a Verizon/DirecTv man will Jump in. :)
I waiting for Verizon to add the channels also.

Skottey is the Verizon fanboy, where's he at tonight?

Oh no this is becoming a DirecTV vs Dish Network warzone thread!

i was just trying to be helpful, he asked for a count

Catch up??? They have more even now...






That's right, for some reason people don't count RSNs even though they can be viewed by anyone anywhere 24/7 without blackouts most of the time (even ESPN has blackouts), but they do count Premiums in which subs have to pay extra to view as well. :rolleyes:

Personally, I could care less how many channels in HD they all have.
If the provider I have has the channels I watch in HD, thats ALL I ask for.

No other provider on the planet has the channels I want in HD, the provider I have does.

Dish does have more national channels. DirecTV counts blackout filled regional sports networks as national channels even though they're not available to everyone. (cue DodgerKing with a rebuttal)
Of course I am going to rebute your claim if it is simply wrong.

You said "not available to everyone", which is simply false. You and I from different parts of the country can pay to watch the exact same things on the exact same channels and avoid pretty much every blackout if we choose.

I told you the "RSN's ARE national" fanboys would be here any minute...

I can't stand to watch anything in SD either, at least we agree on that.
Unable to support your false claim so instead you attack us personally for pointing out how you were wrong.

Care to actually stick to the point to show how your claim that "RSNs are not available to everyone" instead of calling us fanboys?

Guys tone it down a tad please? I'm sure Ice didn't want this thread in the 'zone'

Personally, I could care less how many channels in HD they all have.
If the provider I have has the channels I watch in HD, thats ALL I ask for.

No other provider on the planet has the channels I want in HD, the provider I have does.
Same here.

Direct has 8 of my locals in HD and my 2 RSNs in HD 24/7.
Dish has only 6 of my locals in HD and my 2 RSNs are in HD only part time (game only)

Direct has MLB Net; Dish does not
Direct has EI; Dish does not

This is why I prefer Direct

Dish does have Travel and WGN in HD, which I want, but that is not even close enough to give them the edge for my personal choice.

i was just trying to be helpful, he asked for a count

you were very helpful. so according to that count DirecTV has 70 NATIONAL channels and Dish has 78 NOT counting RSN's)

I really appreciate the info. It proves that DirecTV has less national and movie HD channels than Dish

Oh, I get it now Tom,
DISH just put up thier old Voom channels and went past D*, I bet you weren't touting back when D* went ahead of DISH many months ago , maybe a year ago by about 40 channels.

fwiw, if DISH ever built anything and sent anything up there on thier own instead of borrowing space and buying dying sats they would be no wheres near D*

A year ago at this time I had Comcast... ( don't get me started on how much I hate them...)

you were very helpful. so according to that count DirecTV has 70 NATIONAL channels and DirecTV has 70 NOT counting RSN's)

I really appreciate the info. I'll add it to my site.

Don't you mean 78 to 70 (counting Premiums)?

Without premiums it is 56 to 55 (Dish leads by 1).

Premiums count, they're in HD 24/7/365 without blackouts. RSN's don't, since most of them are in HD during game time only. end of discussion.

Premiums count. RSN's dont since most of them are in HD during game time only. end of discussion.
That is your opinion. I was only pointing out that your 70 to 70 was wrong (probably a typo) and further breaking it down for those that are interested.

Many people, like myself, don't care about premiums, so I thought others may be interested in the count of "national channels" without Premiums, RSNs, ore PPVs (ones people don't have to pay extra for). Especially since most subs only subscribe to basic packages without the extras (Premiums, RSNs, or PPVs).

you were very helpful. so according to that count DirecTV has 70 NATIONAL channels and Dish has 78 (NOT counting RSN's)

I really appreciate the info. It proves that DirecTV has less national and movie HD channels than Dish


There, I fixed it. I told you to give me a 10 minute window for edits before quoting me.

Premiums count, they're in HD 24/7/365 without blackouts. RSN's don't, since most of them are in HD during game time only. end of discussion.
Should the basic national HD channels count since they are not in HD 24/7/365? Most of them have half to less than half of their programming in HD and ESPN has blackouts as well.

This would mean that the 50+ basic HD on most providers should not be counted either using your logic.

Unable to support your false claim so instead you attack us personally for pointing out how you were wrong.

Care to actually stick to the point to show how your claim that "RSNs are not available to everyone" instead of calling us fanboys?

Ok exactly how many fees do you have to pay to lift ALL of the blackouts on an RSN? 10

How many fees is it to get ALL of the content on a premium? 1

(HD access fee doesn't count because that covers every channel across the spectrum)

You're a math teacher so check my work if I'm wrong here, but I'd that say ratio is 10:1!


here's another story problem:

How many hours of content per day is in HD on a premium? 24

how many hours of HD content is on an RSN per day? 3

again, correct me here but I'd say that ratio is 8:1!

Ok exactly how many fees do you have to pay to lift ALL of the blackouts: 10.

How many fees is it to get the premiums? 1.

(HD access fee doesn't count because that covers every channel across the spectrum)

You're a math teacher so check my work if I'm wrong here, but I'd that say ratio is 10:1!
What does that have to do with the fact that it IS available to everyone and that ANYONE could pay to watch them with few to no blackouts?

What does that have to do with the fact that it IS available to everyone and that ANYONE could pay to watch them with few to no blackouts?

it has everything to do with it. Youre the math teacher, so I gave you numbers. How else can I prove to you that RSN's are NOT national?

ok how about this

if it has blackouts, its NOT national. period. no if ands or buts.

Ok exactly how many fees do you have to pay to lift ALL of the blackouts on an RSN? 10

How many fees is it to get ALL of the content on a premium? 1

(HD access fee doesn't count because that covers every channel across the spectrum)

You're a math teacher so check my work if I'm wrong here, but I'd that say ratio is 10:1!


here's another story problem:

How many hours of content per day is in HD on a premium? 24

how many hours of HD content is on an RSN per day? 3

again, correct me here but I'd say that ratio is 8:1!

Thats ODD, if I have HBO I get 2 HD channels, Cinemax I get 1 HD channel.
Thats 11 channels and only 3 are HD, that leave an awful lot of SD programming on the ALL HD Premiums your talking about.

Well, if you have the NFL and MLB packages, that frees up the majority of them.
Thats where the EI get thier stuff from.
And 12.99 for the rest of the programing on the FSN's

you mean the infomercials and poker shows 12 hours a day?

Thats ODD, if I have HBO I get 2 HD channels, Cinemax I get 1 HD channel.
Thats 11 channels and only 3 are HD, that leave an awful lot of SD programming on the ALL HD Premiums your talking about.

at least HBO and MAX are in HD 24/7/365, no exceptions, no infomercials, no blackouts!

Tomcat,

Can I ask you a favor? Can you please stop editing your post after we reply to you? I am on a slow internet connection as I am in our Townhouse in Mammoth right now using the cities slow wireless broadband. It takes me too long to go back and edit my post after you change yours.

Thanks!

ok well wait a half hour then. I told you I edit each post at least twice before I'm finished so don't jump the gun.

Or get a better connection.

it has everything to do with it. Youre the math teacher, so I gave you numbers. How else can I prove to you that RSN's are NOT national?

ok how about this

if it has blackouts, its NOT national. period. no if ands or buts.
Like we said, blackouts can be avoided. The fact that one has to pay extra does has nothing to do with availability and coverage. If so, then were do you draw the line. How much extra should one pay before it does not count?

Your other point had to do with how much HD is shown. Since most of the national HD channels have more SD programming than HD, should they not count either? If so, where do you draw the line? How many hours should they show before one considers them national HD?

I have a simple way. To be considered national it simple has to do with coverage. If it is available nationwide, has some HD programming, and anyone can pay to get it, then it is national. To be considered HD it has to be uplinked as an HD channel. This means that any channel that is uplinked as HD, shows some HD programming, and is covered nation wide (on CONUS), then it is national HD.

Your ways gives to many conditions with too many exceptions and too many grey areas. Your way would mean that few to no channels would actuall be considered HD.

Ok only premiums and HD Extra Pack channels count then....


When will HD be the standard???

:tux:

:tux:

quack.

Or get a better connection.
I am at my second home and can only use what is available. It is a small mountain town at 8k feet. I either use cable broadband (which I am not going to pay for since we are only here a few times a year and the rest of the time we rent it out) or use the city's wireless broadband.

:tux:
What in the heck is that?

:D

all of this circular arguing is making me dizzy. No one's changing their mind lets all agree that SD sucks.

What in the heck is that?

:D

looks like a penguin

What in the heck is that?

:D

I was looking for popcorn......this will do:D
I rarely get to use it

looks like a penguin

Yet you said quack....:p

penguins quack too. theyre just like ducks except they swim instead of fly.

we went to the park today and a bunch of ducks were following us hoping for food it was funny...

penguins quack too. theyre just like ducks except they swim instead of fly.

:confused:

all of this circular arguing is making me dizzy. No one's changing their mind lets all agree that SD sucks.

agreed :D

Yet you said quack....:p
It is a penguin duck hybrid. Can fly in the water, float on the water, and fly in the air...:p

Leave it to Smith to bring some levity to this childish arguing (for some reason I cannot avoid it). :rolleyes::D

penguins quack too. theyre just like ducks except they swim instead of fly.

we went to the park today and a bunch of ducks were following us hoping for food it was funny...

whaat??? penguins whistle and fly. ducks dance !sadroll

It is a penguin duck hybrid. Can fly in the water, float on the water, and fly in the air...:p

Leave it to Smith to bring some levity to this childish arguing (for some reason I cannot avoid it). :rolleyes::D

cool ... and since you're a teacher it must be true!!! :D

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/photo.php?pid=30189768&id=1378572986
whaat??? penguins whistle and fly. ducks dance !sadroll

i like ducks who swim in a bin full of gold coins...

RSN's WITH THEIR MOST VALUABLE CONTENT BLACKED OUT AND THEIR MOST COMMON CONNENT REPEATED AD-NAUSEUM ON EVERY SINGLE RSN CHANNEL DO NOT COUNT NO MATTER HOW BADLY YOU HOPE, WISH, BEG, OR WHINE ABOUT IT!

lol

Look...deal with it ok? Reality...deal with it.

Now anyone that wants to inflate channel counts with bogus full-time RSNs, sports packs, or PPV...here is some great advice. Go pick up that phone, and call customer retention at D*. Ask them what happened to that golden 'promise' of HDTV years ago when everyone was doing the 'dance of 100 channels' routine and touting D* as the HD leader based on nothing more than 8 channels and an unfulfilled business plan. Hey, if it gets you a month or two of free HBO or something, than thats time well spent. Hopefully D* will have all the HBOs in HD by then to justify the effort.

Believe me, I'm still PO'd about SmithsonianHD, FX-HD, and even MLB-HD not being on Dish...but I'm not going to make up excuses for it either. The fact remains as I predicted a long time ago that it would...

...there is no HD leader. Just a constant very close race without a finish line.

After Directv catches up and gets in the lead again we will be asking when Dish Network will be catching up.

oh good vampz is here! :clap

After Directv catches up and gets in the lead again we will be asking when Dish Network will be catching up.

yup...

...and so on, and so on, and so on...:)

RSN's WITH THEIR MOST VALUABLE CONTENT BLACKED OUT AND THEIR MOST COMMON CONNENT REPEATED AD-NAUSEUM ON EVERY SINGLE RSN CHANNEL DO NOT COUNT NO MATTER HOW BADLY YOU HOPE, WISH, BEG, OR WHINE ABOUT IT! Interesting, because I am currently watching over 10 out of market "blacked out" MLB games on the RSNs where this "most valuable content" is supposed to be blacked out. Sort of throws a wrench in your claim, doesn't it?

hey what the hell is your problem? respect the rules. take your meds and cool it already TC.

Interesting, because I am currently watching over 10 out of market "blacked out" MLB games on the RSNs where this "most valuable content" is supposed to be blacked out. Sort of throws a wrench in your claim, doesn't it?

Not really, I watch PPV channels occasionally too...I just don't count it as a fulltime channel when it isn't...

So Dish has more HD than Directv right now, so what!

It aint going to make a bit of difference because you know both Dish and Directv are still going to be adding more channels over the next few months.

Not really, I watch PPV channels occasionally too...I just don't count it as a fulltime channel when it isn't...
You made the claim that the most valuable content is blacked out and I showed you how you were wrong. Now you want to argue that it is a fancy PPV, fine.

You made the claim that the most valuable content is blacked out and I showed you how you were wrong. Now you want to argue that it is a fancy PPV, fine.

But it is blacked out. Common knowledge, its blacked out...you can't really show me anything to the contrary other than that you get what you pay for. And you pay for seasonal PPV, nothing more...thats not an argument...thats a fact.

Enjoy your PPV...just don't bore the forum trying to convince everyone that its a full-time channel when the term 'seasonal' alone disqualifies the 'full-time' requirement above and beyond the blacked-out content.

So Dish has more HD than Directv right now, so what!

It aint going to make a bit of difference because you know both Dish and Directv are still going to be adding more channels over the next few months.

that's true. and like vampz mentioned above it'll be so on and so on. not really a big deal as long as we all benefit from it.

But it is blacked out. Common knowledge, its blacked out...you can't really show me anything to the contrary other than that you get what you pay for. And you pay for seasonal PPV, nothing more...thats not an argument...thats a fact.

Enjoy your PPV...just don't bore the forum trying to convince everyone that its a full-time channel when the term 'seasonal' alone disqualifies the 'full-time' requirement above and beyond the blacked-out content.

Fine, it is blacked out and it is a PPV. I guess I am just seeing things as these "blacked out" games are all over my TV?

Full time means that you can watch the channel all year and all of the time. For the most part that is true, but like ALL channels you have to pay to do so. Some require more money than others. You don't have to agree and I don't care. Since both you and I in different parts of the country can pay to watch any of these RSNs full time (except when their local team plays a team within your local market...the game can be seen on another channel anyway), that by definition makes them full time and national IMO. (Keep in mind that games on ESPN, which most people consider national, have the same blackout rules as well).

Fine, it is blacked out and it is a PPV. I guess I am just seeing things as these "blacked out" games are all over my TV?

if you PAID to VIEW them, than by all means enjoy them. :D

So Dish has more HD than Directv right now, so what!

It aint going to make a bit of difference because you know both Dish and Directv are still going to be adding more channels over the next few months.

Months!
Get real, D* hasn't added anything in, what, almost 9 months.

that's true. and like vampz mentioned above it'll be so on and so on. not really a big deal as long as we all benefit from it.

No kidding...my only claim to fame here is that back when the whole initial 'business plan' was announced to have 100 channels, I had stated that by the time that plan would come into fruition, E* would have already caught up, and sited many factors to that as well. I was right on every one of my predictions on that matter...

One of the many positive things DirecTV has going their way is HD Sports such as NFL ST+HD until like 2019? Oh my, a decade of exclusivity to NFL ST, that's huge, and not to mention MLB IE in HD.
Also another plus is DirecTV new PC program that lets you watch your recorded shows on TV, and the new iPhone Application, it just makes DirecTV that much more successful where Dish Network is at right now.

One of the many positive things DirecTV has going their way is HD Sports such as NFL ST+HD until like 2019? Oh my, a decade of exclusivity to NFL ST, that's huge, and not to mention MLB IE in HD.
Also another plus is DirecTV new PC program that lets you watch your recorded shows on TV, and the new iPhone Application, it just makes DirecTV that much more successful where Dish Network is at right now.

yeah well...nobody has ever disputed D*'s 'sports' advantage...however its just sports...thats nice, if you love sports so much that you are willing to pay out the posterior for more than you could ever handle, than D* is your savior...

For the overwhelming majority of the human race, the slate still looks pretty much dead even...

Fine, it is blacked out and it is a PPV. I guess I am just seeing things as these "blacked out" games are all over my TV?

Full time means that you can watch the channel all year and all of the time. For the most part that is true, but like ALL channels you have to pay to do so. Some require more money than others. You don't have to agree and I don't care. Since both you and I in different parts of the country can pay to watch any of these RSNs full time (except when their local team plays a team within your local market...the game can be seen on another channel anyway), that by definition makes them full time and national IMO. (Keep in mind that games on ESPN, which most people consider national, have the same blackout rules as well).

nice slip with the edit...

you pay a seasonal PPV fee...enough said.


These are excuses...not explanations...

enjoy your PPV.

Fine, it is blacked out and it is a PPV. I guess I am just seeing things as these "blacked out" games are all over my TV?

Full time means that you can watch the channel all year and all of the time. For the most part that is true, but like ALL channels you have to pay to do so. Some require more money than others. You don't have to agree and I don't care. Since both you and I in different parts of the country can pay to watch any of these RSNs full time (except when their local team plays a team within your local market...the game can be seen on another channel anyway), that by definition makes them full time and national IMO. (Keep in mind that games on ESPN, which most people consider national, have the same blackout rules as well).

I don't get it. Normally I don't get into these threads but nothing comes on out of markets RSN's unless you pay for Sports subscription. Now I get more MLB, Sunday ticket, and a few others. I would just rather watch the plus-1 than the RSN's. Now channels people ask about like WGN HD. Nothing comes on that. You guys want just to see baseball???.

Wow....Look at all the fun I missed out on last night.:rolleyes:

I was looking for popcorn......

http://media.scout.com/media/forums/emoticons/78/popcorn.gif

Months!
Get real, D* hasn't added anything in, what, almost 9 months.

Except MLB HD and Comedy Central HD, both of which were added in January, which according to my math is within the last 9 months.

Wow....Look at all the fun I missed out on last night.:rolleyes:

I know, it sounds like quite the party.

Well actually more like a http://media.scout.com/media/forums/emoticons/78/slap.gif

Wow....Look at all the fun I missed out on last night.:rolleyes:

:D

Except MLB HD and Comedy Central HD, both of which were added in January, which according to my math is within the last 9 months.
Those dont count:p

Months!
Get real, D* hasn't added anything in, what, almost 9 months.

Your hatred towards D is blinding you. Fox news HD was added 10/17/08 and comedy central HD was added 1/21/09. your math is very fuzzy

yeah well...nobody has ever disputed D*'s 'sports' advantage...however its just sports...thats nice, if you love sports so much that you are willing to pay out the posterior for more than you could ever handle, than D* is your savior...

For the overwhelming majority of the human race, the slate still looks pretty much dead even...

Good. That means Dish should stop hemoraging subs and become more of a competitive force making both companies improve.

If the don't stop hemoraging then there must be more to it.

Good. That means Dish should stop hemoraging subs and become more of a competitive force making both companies improve.

If the don't stop hemoraging then there must be more to it.

Dish could me more competitive by simply demonstrating that they value their existing subscriber base and not treat them like a captive audience.

If a Dish sub can get new hardware, discounted programming, and possibly a free premium channel or two by switching, and have to pay 300 bucks for new hardware and NO discounted programming by staying...well...:o

Not to mention that most new hardware is only available to new subs and current subs have to wait for it, and THAN pay more for it...I mean, its not that tough of a call...and doesn't have much to do with the HD programming either if you think about it...

Those dont count:p

Why? Are they only available if you may an outlandish fee for three to six monthes as an extra? :confused:

Why? Are they only available if you may an outlandish fee for three to six monthes as an extra? :confused:

Sarcasm my friend;)

Although I did hear arguments that they did not count from some when they were turned on.

Hey, if you watch it, it counts. If someone does not want to count it, no skin off of my nose

Months!
Get real, D* hasn't added anything in, what, almost 9 months.
Uhhh! Either you haven't updated your channel lists, you missed something, or you are making things up!

Lets see, CIHD, MLBNet HD, FNCHD, ESPN News HD, CCHD. I am sure there are more, I just cannot think of anything right now.

I don't get it. Normally I don't get into these threads but nothing comes on out of markets RSN's unless you pay for Sports subscription. Now I get more MLB, Sunday ticket, and a few others. I would just rather watch the plus-1 than the RSN's. Now channels people ask about like WGN HD. Nothing comes on that. You guys want just to see baseball???.
You just addressed your own confusion.

You said "not available to everyone", which is simply false. You and I from different parts of the country can pay to watch the exact same things on the exact same channels and avoid pretty much every blackout if we choose.I find it fascinating that those who love to count RSNs are often the first ones to dismiss the paucity of additional premium movie channels. RSNs are only national for those who subscribe to the SPORTS PACK and somehow they are much more important than a movie channel lineup that is missing a genre or two.

Is it really fair that those who subscribe to the SPORTS PACK get so many more channels than those who pay the same or more money for a premium movie plex? It would seem that the RSNs take up to 20 times the bandwidth while there are more DIRECTV subscribers who pay $2 more for HBO.

http://media.scout.com/media/forums/emoticons/78/popcorn.gif Its Funny. For once its not just me.:)
We all know how I feel about RSN's,

Right Dodger ???:D
They call them "Regional sports Networks" Not National Sports networks. There is a reason for this.
Directv has the most
Locals, Regional Sports, National Sports,Sports Packs,and Pay Per view in HD then any other provider. Fact!:)

As much as some of you don't want to admit
E* has More
National and Premium HD channels then D*.:p

You just addressed your own confusion.

Not to mention validated my point.

I find it fascinating that those who love to count RSNs are often the first ones to dismiss the paucity of additional premium movie channels. RSNs are only national for those who subscribe to the SPORTS PACK and somehow they are much more important than a movie channel lineup that is missing a genre or two.

Is it really fair that those who subscribe to the SPORTS PACK get so many more channels than those who pay the same or more money for a premium movie plex? It would seem that the RSNs take up to 20 times the bandwidth while there are more DIRECTV subscribers who pay $2 more for HBO.
When did I dismiss the premiums? My argument is that they should both count. If you include premiums then RSNs should also count. If you don't count RSNs, then don't count premiums. The only difference between the two is the amount one pays to watch them full time.

Its Funny. For once its not just me.:)
We all know how I feel about RSN's,

Right Dodger ???:D
They call them "Regional sports Networks" Not National Sports networks. There is a reason for this.
Directv has the most
Locals, Regional Sports, National Sports,Sports Packs,and Pay Per view in HD then any other provider. Fact!:)

As much as some of you don't want to admit
E* has More
National and Premium HD channels then D*.:p

I will agree with most of this Hemi

Directv has the most sports in HD
Dish has the most Premium HD

The only difference is I say that the standard national HD is pretty much a tie.

I will agree with most of this Hemi

Directv has the most sports in HD
Dish has the most Premium HD

The only difference is I say that the standard national HD is pretty much a tie.

I think most everyone agrees with that.

Its Funny. For once its not just me.:)
We all know how I feel about RSN's,

Right Dodger ???:D
They call them "Regional sports Networks" Not National Sports networks. There is a reason for this.
Directv has the most
Locals, Regional Sports, National Sports,Sports Packs,and Pay Per view in HD then any other provider. Fact!:)

As much as some of you don't want to admit
E* has More
National and Premium HD channels then D*.:p
Again Hemi, the word "region" and you know this, has NOTHING to do with which part of the country ONLY gets to see it. It is simply a reference to which teams are shown on that particular channel and which region does not have to pay additional fees to watch those particular RSNs. Which are available to every sub (if they choose), anywhere in the country full time without blackouts (with a few exceptions, similar to that on ESPN), if subs are willing to pay.

The only difference is I say that the standard national HD is pretty much a tie. I agree , because for the non sports/premium nut, Most D* and E* customers have about the same amount of HD channels. + or - a few.

Not to mention validated my point.
Yep...He indirectly did validate my point. Notice the word, "unless" he used? Even he acknowledged that these channels are able to anyone who choices to pay.

Again Hemi, the word "region" and you know this, has NOTHING to do with which part of the country ONLY gets to see it. It is simply a reference to which teams are shown on that particular channel and which region does not have to pay additional fees to watch those particular RSNs. Which are availabel to every sub (if they choose) anywhere in the country full time without blackouts (with a few exceptions, similar to that on ESPN), if subs are willing to pay.Sorry don't agree with this. RSN's are assigned based on your DMA. The rules are based on your DMA.
If your buying a sports subscription like MLB, Yes you get the games they broadcast. Thats because your buying that right, not for $12 either. But when Baseball ends and basketball,and Hockey start, What then? Slap down another $600:p just to say you have National HD channels. No thanks. You guys don't count E* Hockey and Basketball packs as National HD, So why sould D* RSN's count? What do you think E* sports packs show their games on ? RSN's

Here is my take:



RSNs are on CONUS and available to anyone who wants to pay
Blackouts can be avoided by paying.
The fact that Direct puts all of these RSNs on full time status on CONUS gives them an edge over their competitors. Without doing so, they will not be able to offer all of the sports packages, offer more games than their competitors within each sports package, and offer more games in HD than their copetitors. This makes RSNs very important and is part of the reason why Direct is doing better than most of the other providers.

Here are the others takes (arguments I have heard):



They are only regional (Not true. They are available to every sub)
They are full of blackouts (Blackouts can be avoided by paying more).
They don't show very much HD content (If this is a reason for not including them, then most of the national channels should not be counted as the majority of them do not show as much HD as they do SD).
They are PPVs (Fine. Call them PPV, but I can make the argument that Premiums are as well. You can only view a premium channel for the month you pay for it. Stop paying and you lose it).
They cost much more than other premiums (This is probably the worst argument I have ever heard. There is no logical connection between what one pays and the fact that it is available nationally).
Cost benifit is too high (So! Because it is not worth it to you does not mean it is not national).

Sorry don't agree with this. RSN's are assigned based on your DMA. The rules are based on your DMA.
If your buying a sports subscription like MLB, Yes you get the games they broadcast. Thats because your buying that right, not for $12 either. But when Baseball ends and basketball,and Hockey start, What then? Slap down another $600:p just to say you have National HD channels. No thanks. You guys don't count E* Hockey and Basketball packs as National HD, So why sould D* RSN's count? What do you think E* sports packs show their games on ? RSN's
That doesn't change the fact that it is still available to any sub anywhere.

My argument is that they should both count.I'm not arguing that point.

I'm arguing that the movie channels seem to be DIRECTV's red-headed stepchild with respect to bandwidth and it seems unfair. There are more HD RSNs being delivered by DIRECTV than there are movie channels available yet the SPORTS PACK subscribers don't pay as much as the HBO subscribers and the HBO subscribers only get one HD channel with time shifting.

In a general purpose count, DISH subscribers generally get more HD channels than their DIRECTV counterparts unless the DIRECTV subscriber chooses the SPORTS PACK or the Premiere package. Would you agree?

I'm not arguing that point.

I'm arguing that the movie channels seem to be DIRECTV's red-headed stepchild with respect to bandwidth and it seems unfair. There are more HD RSNs being delivered by DIRECTV than there are movie channels available yet the SPORTS PACK subscribers don't pay as much as the HBO subscribers and the HBO subscribers only get one HD channel with time shifting.

In a general purpose count, DISH subscribers generally get more HD channels than their DIRECTV counterparts unless the DIRECTV subscriber chooses the SPORTS PACK or the Premiere package. Would you agree?
I don't disagree with your points for the most part.

Dish does seem to focus more on the movie niche and Direct focuses more on the sports niche.

That doesn't change the fact that it is still available to any sub anywhere.You are correct.
So I guess its safe to say E* has the most HD channels for less then $200 then D* does.:p
But over $200 per month D* wins Hands down.;)