I'll try and get there this month.
I'll get it hooked up.
Satellite Internet isn't too slow?

I'll try and get there this month.
I'll get it hooked up.
Satellite Internet isn't too slow?

You don't need internet connection to use MRV

For MRV it has no bearing on it. For DoD just means that it will take longer for a download if your FUP doesn't really throttle you back down.

Even Better, Because Satellite Internet Sucks. Atleast compaired to DSL or Cable.

What about Cable distance?
I can Run Direct wire about 25 feet to the H21 from the Hr20., But I'd rather back Feed through my Cat6 Jack in the living room to the bedroom, Only Problem, The run will be over 100 feet now since it has to run down to the basement first, then to the bedroom.
Is that still ok?

100 meters between adapters or switch/router is just fine.

What about Cable distance?
I can Run Direct wire about 25 feet to the H21 from the Hr20., But I'd rather back Feed through my Cat6 Jack in the living room to the bedroom, Only Problem, The run will be over 100 feet now since it has to run down to the basement first, then to the bedroom.
Is that still ok?

that should be fine.

Yes you're good

OK sounds like I'll try it out.
Questions though, I can watch 2 different shows still correct?
I just can't record while watching a recorded Program on my H21?

OK sounds like I'll try it out.
Questions though, I can watch 2 different shows still correct?
I just can't record while watching a recorded Program on my H21?

Yes you can still watch 2 different shows

OK sounds like I'll try it out.
Questions though, I can watch 2 different shows still correct?
I just can't record while watching a recorded Program on my H21?

yes you can on both questions.
i've had the dvr recording while watching a recording in the room with the H21

Remember Hemi that this is still in beta. There are a few issues right now with playback that they should be addressing. The one issue is that it will micro block every once in a while while in the middle of playback.

Remember Hemi that this is still in beta. There are a few issues right now with playback that they should be addressing. The one issue is that it will micro block every once in a while while in the middle of playback.

it's not much though. not enough to bother anyway:)

OK sounds like I'll try it out.
Questions though, I can watch 2 different shows still correct?
I just can't record while watching a recorded Program on my H21?

You can do anything on the HR2X that you could do before MRV, record two programs, watch a recording and do a DoD download. The limitation is that only one MRV client can connect to the server at this time, don't know if they'll increase that in future CE's.

it's not much though. not enough to bother anyway:)

I agree that it is not bad but it is still an issue that he should know about prior to going into it.

So far the best post of the tread was your stating post of it.

lol.. thanks.. I finally got a chance to check out the VOD... night and day.. the seperate channels like cable has, makes this much easier to process and find what youre looking for.. the speed seems better than what dish is offering as well.. aka downloads are faster...

in my opinion directv only have to improve the speed of their dvr interface and make it a little cleaner and prettier and they can easily claim a better dvr than dish.. Id say those are the only things truely keeping dish ahead right now.. they lack features.. the new interface of the 922 is lovely and all but with since they cant mimic it on any other hardware its nice but fruitless for everyone who already purchased a box.. i dont see tivo doing that with the series 2/3 boxes, they
ve had tons of a hardware, but the interface is consistant... directv learned a lot of tivo.. maybe dish should pick up a few tivos and learn something about how a dvr should work.. not that they are any standard to go by, but theyve been doing this the longest and you can tell that by how cleanly they release software to their interfaces..

Remember Hemi that this is still in beta. There are a few issues right now with playback that they should be addressing. The one issue is that it will micro block every once in a while while in the middle of playback. I know , But thats OK
What are the Limits though?
Can I watch 2 things and still record 1 right?
Can the H21 Pause or rewind live tv ,
Can I press record from the H21 - the HR20?
Or does the H21 simply playback DVR recording only.
Like the 211k with the Hard drive, I can record to it,and Play back. But thats it.

You can do anything on the HR2X that you could do before MRV, record two programs, watch a recording and do a DoD download. The limitation is that only one MRV client can connect to the server at this time, don't know if they'll increase that in future CE's. I only Have 1 so thats OK for now.
But then as of now, I can't do more then 1 addtional room right?

I know , But thats OK
What are the Limits though?
Can I watch 2 things and still record 1 right?
Can the H21 Pause or rewind live tv ,
Can I press record from the H21 - the HR20?
Or does the H21 simply playback DVR recording only.
Like the 211k with the Hard drive, I can record to it,and Play back. But thats it.

the h21 is for playback only.
you can watch 2 things,1 at the dvr and 1 at the H21 while recording 1 on the dvr

I know , But thats OK
What are the Limits though?
Can I watch 2 things and still record 1 right? YES
Can the H21 Pause or rewind live tv , Yes, all DVR controls are active
Can I press record from the H21 - the HR20? No, you can schedule a record on the HR20 from H21
Or does the H21 simply playback DVR recording only. Correct, the H21 can only playback content already recorded on the HR20
Like the 211k with the Hard drive, I can record to it,and Play back. But thats it.

See response in blue

Can the H21 Pause or rewind live tv , Yes, all DVR controls are active

This statement is wrong. You can not pause or rewind live TV on the H21. You can watch Live TV but you don't have a DVR function on the box. You can only playback what is recorded on the HRxx or R22 receivers.

This statement is wrong. You can not pause or rewind live TV on the H21. You can watch Live TV but you don't have a DVR function on the box. You can only playback what is recorded on the HRxx or R22 receivers. But you can Pause and rewind the Dvr movie you are watching through the H21 right? Just Not live tv. Right?

This statement is wrong. You can not pause or rewind live TV on the H21. You can watch Live TV but you don't have a DVR function on the box. You can only playback what is recorded on the HRxx or R22 receivers.

DOH, missed the live part, Jag72 is correct, no live TV from the HR2X on the H21, but then again why would you want live from the HR2X via MRV? You can start a recording on the HR2X and they start playing it back on the H21 while it's still recording, it doesn't have to be a complete recording before you use MRV to view it.

But you can Pause and rewind the Dvr movie you are watching through the H21 right? Just Not live tv. Right?

Correct. You have all DVR functions except for delete on a recorded show.

DOH, missed the live part, Jag72 is correct, no live TV from the HR2X on the H21, but then again why would you want live from the HR2X via MRV? You can start a recording on the HR2X and they start playing it back on the H21 while it's still recording, it doesn't have to be a complete recording before you use MRV to view it. Well it would be nice while you laying in bed , and you come across a show you want to record if you can Just hit the record button , Instead of getting up and running over to the Hr20.
Thats were that Extra HR20 would come in handy in the bedroom.:)

Well it would be nice while you laying in bed , and you come across a show you want to record if you can Just hit the record button , Instead of getting up and running over to the Hr20.
Thats were that Extra HR20 would come in handy in the bedroom.:)

Folks have asked for that functionality to be added, don't know if DirecTV will add or not.

OH well, I gotta Hit the Hay.
I hope I can get the software this weekend.

OK sounds like I'll try it out.
Questions though, I can watch 2 different shows still correct?
I just can't record while watching a recorded Program on my H21?
I am glad to see you try this out. There are some posters on here that would stubbornly stick to their original point and refuse to try something out to see if they really do like it. They care more about being right than finding out what really is right.

Even though we often disagree, you are very reasonable with me and pretty civil. :up

You can do anything on the HR2X that you could do before MRV, record two programs, watch a recording and do a DoD download. The limitation is that only one MRV client can connect to the server at this time, don't know if they'll increase that in future CE's.
Only 1 at a time, or only 1 total? The guy in the video I linked from DBSTalk had several clients viewed on his DVR acting as the server. One was wireless and at least 1 was hardwired.

Only 1 at a time, or only 1 total? The guy in the video I linked from DBSTalk had several clients viewed on his DVR acting as the server. One was wireless and at least 1 was hardwired.

The clients can access any number of servers, but each server can handle only one active stream, be it MRV or DirecTV2PC.

The clients can access any number of servers, but each server can handle only one active stream, be it MRV or DirecTV2PC.
Yeah...So from my HR20 I can watch any number of my other DVRs, but I can only do 1 at a time?

BTW, speaking of DirecTV2PC, I just downloaded it on my PC and it works perfect so far. It is nice to have the option to watch my recorded programs from my computer in our den where there is no TV.

Yeah...So from my HR20 I can watch any number of my other DVRs, but I can only do 1 at a time?

The serving HD DVR can stream to only one client (MRV or DirecTV2PC) at a time, just want to make sure I was clear on the limitation.

The serving HD DVR can stream to only one client (MRV or DirecTV2PC) at a time, just want to make sure I was clear on the limitation.
"At a time" is the key, correct? I can still stream to both, I just can do both at the same time?

"At a time" is the key, correct? I can still stream to both, I just can do both at the same time?
Correct, if you try to do two concurrently the second client will get a message saying it can't at this time or something along that line.

I haven't read all of these posts but I've read enough to make a comment. I prefer the way D* is implementing their MRV solution over the E* way does. In fact the way E* does their MRV is one of the primary reasons I will never switch to E*. I don't like the idea of two TVs having to share two tuners and one hard drive. Instead I like being able to stick a separate DVR in each of my rooms with their own tuners and hard drives. That way all of the kids show my children record and save don't get in the way of my own recordings.

I do have a question for those using MRV on the CE. Do any of you use D*'s powerline adapter to hook up your HD DVR to your network and if so, is the speed sufficient for HD recordings. My living room HD DVR is wired directly to my router. But for my bedroom HD DVR a wired solution isn't practical. So I'm trying to decide between a wireless solution or powerline adapter solution for my bedroom HD DVR.

I do have a question for those using MRV on the CE. Do any of you use D*'s powerline adapter to hook up your HD DVR to your network and if so, is the speed sufficient for HD recordings. My living room HD DVR is wired directly to my router. But for my bedroom HD DVR a wired solution isn't practical. So I'm trying to decide between a wireless solution or powerline adapter solution for my bedroom HD DVR.

I use powerline adapters and i suggest you buy them rated at 200mbps. i tried the 85mbps and i was having issues. the 200mbps work great :up

If you like carrying around a harddrive under your arm when you want to watch a recording in another room ,if that's your ideal solution fine. But looks like someother E* subs don't find it ideal, see http://www.satelliteguys.us/1790493-post17.html, "The big problem with multiple drives is for my family's use. Changing drives, swapping cables, powering up and down, keeping track of what programs are on which drives - too big of a challenge. ".This is a sound bite taken from a thread where the OP was bent about not being able to easily create multiple backups of programs on different drives.

With the DISH setup you don't have to worry about swapping and cloning and if something is on the wrong drive (you would have to intentionally move it to the wrong drive), you can transfer it back to the DVR and then to the correct drive.

Obviously if you don't keep track of the drives and what are on them, don't blame the mechanisms.

This is a sound bite taken from a thread where the OP was bent about not being able to easily create multiple backups of programs on different drives.

With the DISH setup you don't have to worry about swapping and cloning and if something is on the wrong drive (you would have to intentionally move it to the wrong drive), you can transfer it back to the DVR and then to the correct drive.

Obviously if you don't keep track of the drives and what are on them, don't blame the mechanisms.


Yes it was, but it was meant to counter Hemi's opinion that moving around harddrives from STB to STB was a better MRV solution then D*'s using an E*'s customers opinion.

I am glad to see you try this out. It might take awhile though, Since 3/4 of my equipment is 4 hours away. I'm dropping my H21 off a a friends this weekend, Just incase the CE has MRV in the software. He said he'll download it for me.
So Not this Upcoming weekend, but the next, as long as I can get the download.

Yes it was, but it was meant to counter Hemi's opinion that moving around harddrives from STB to STB was a better MRV solution then D*'s using an E*'s customers opinion. See I don't really mind Moving it around, Because its not very often that I have too. Remember My 612 and 622 Still Have Hard drives, So if I really want to watch something that bad, I just record it to both DVRs. My HD Hard drive is just mainly a Big movie Library. Nothing on there to make me move it all around the house.
My 211 well that stays put in my Kids Playroom. They have all sorts of stuff recorded on it. Nothing I'm into :)
My 622 back feeds my Office for now with SD, But I don't care.
And I have another 211 that does my Bar and gameroom, But no HD Hard Drive, Since I never watch movies in the Gameroom .

Yes it was, but it was meant to counter Hemi's opinion that moving around harddrives from STB to STB was a better MRV solution then D*'s using an E*'s customers opinion.While the bite that you cite would appear to support that position, the citation is about cloning drives and/or making copies of files and not moving an EHD around. Moving the EHD is a matter of plugging in the power, plugging in the USB connection and waiting for the USB device to be recognized.

Moving the EHD is a matter of plugging in the power, plugging in the USB connection and waiting for the USB device to be recognized. That takes Seconds. I could move and connect my Hard drive about 25 times before the D* HR20 is done rebooting:D

That takes Seconds. I could move and connect my Hard drive about 25 times before the D* HR20 is done rebooting:D

why you little!!!!!:mad: :D:p

why you little!!!!!:mad: :D:p:D:D:D

While the bite that you cite would appear to support that position, the citation is about cloning drives and/or making copies of files and not moving an EHD around. Moving the EHD is a matter of plugging in the power, plugging in the USB connection and waiting for the USB device to be recognized.


That's true about the process, but that's more involved then hitting the list button on the remote, selecting the DVR server and program and playing it, don't even need to get out of the chair. As I said, just using that as an example of what you need to do to swap drives.

See I don't really mind Moving it around, Because its not very often that I have too. Remember My 612 and 622 Still Have Hard drives, So if I really want to watch something that bad, I just record it to both DVRs. My HD Hard drive is just mainly a Big movie Library. Nothing on there to make me move it all around the house.
My 211 well that stays put in my Kids Playroom. They have all sorts of stuff recorded on it. Nothing I'm into :)
My 622 back feeds my Office for now with SD, But I don't care.
And I have another 211 that does my Bar and gameroom, But no HD Hard Drive, Since I never watch movies in the Gameroom .


Hemi, if that's what works for you and you're happy with it that's fine, no problem. I guess I just don't see how you say that this method is superior to the MRV implementation that D*'s working on.

Hemi, if that's what works for you and you're happy with it that's fine, no problem. I guess I just don't see how you say that this method is superior to the MRV implementation that D*'s working on. Superior is not a word that comes to mind when talking about MRV, or E* External Hard drive Option. I mean lets face it, MRV is VERY LIMITED on what it can do, as well as its still is Beta testing.
E* External Hard Drive Option is compatiable with all of their VIP HD DVRS.
Superior Would be a 1 Receiver system serving 4-6 rooms with Full HD DVR function in Each room.;)

Superior is not a word that comes to mind when talking about MRV, or E* External Hard drive Option. I mean lets face it, MRV is VERY LIMITED on what it can do, as well as its still is Beta testing.
E* External Hard Drive Option is compatiable with all of their VIP HD DVRS.
Superior Would be a 1 Receiver system serving 4-6 rooms with Full HD DVR function in Each room.;)

BLAH BLAH BLAH!!! yeah yeah yeah!!! :eek: :D:D:D:D

Superior Would be a 1 Receiver system serving 4-6 rooms with Full HD DVR function in Each room.;)

Well, D*'s long in coming Home Media Center appears to be coming next year.

http://www.satelliteguys.us/directv-forum/172376-directv-2008-annual-report-interesting.html

From's D*'s annual report is this nugget:


"In the second half of 2009, customers will be able to share content between two DVRs in the home, and in 2010 our Home Media Center will provide a true wholehome solution. The goal is to have all information and entertainment devices in a home connected to a central server that will provide seamless HD, DVR and other media services throughout the house"

Well, D*'s long in coming Home Media Center appears to be coming next year.

http://www.satelliteguys.us/directv-forum/172376-directv-2008-annual-report-interesting.html

From's D*'s annual report is this nugget:


i'm hoping to see scott put this info up real soon

Well, D*'s long in coming Home Media Center appears to be coming next year.

http://www.satelliteguys.us/directv-forum/172376-directv-2008-annual-report-interesting.html

From's D*'s annual report is this nugget::up:up:up

:up:up:up

yeah but it seems it's for 2010. i think it's safe to say not to expect much from D in 09. 2010 on the other hand seems to be the year for D! Tivo, Home media center and more national HD thanks to D12. what i like about this other way directv is looking at for mrv is that it works through the coax. i think you must have an swm system like the swm 5,8 or swmlnb.

I just want to say do not hold your breadth for a new D*TiVo in 2010, you know what I mean:)

I just want to say do not hold your breadth for a new D*TiVo in 2010, you know what I mean:)I wouldn't care as long as this Master receiver is put into production by 2010.
I'll gladly switch back to D* if they have 1 massive HD DVr that serves the entire house.

I wouldn't care as long as this Master receiver is put into production by 2010.
I'll gladly switch back to D* if they have 1 massive HD DVr that serves the entire house.

That "massive HD DVR" will still need a client HD receiver at each TV terminal to work. Just ask me, because I am on ATT Uverse right now:)

That "massive HD DVR" will still need a client HD receiver at each TV terminal to work. Just ask me, because I am on ATT Uverse right now:)

It all depends on how it is done. They could modulate the signal and send the HD feed over coax to the TV without needing a box. Of course that can only be done if your TV has a digital OTA tuner.

It all depends on how it is done. They could modulate the signal and send the HD feed over coax to the TV without needing a box. Of course that can only be done if your TV has a digital OTA tuner.
That box would have to be able to convert MPEG4 to MPEG2 on the fly (probably resulting in a lesser picture quality then if it was done at the source or head end) and then an ATSC RF modulator, probably both of which would cost more then just the HD STB.

That box would have to be able to convert MPEG4 to MPEG2 on the fly (probably resulting in a lesser picture quality then if it was done at the source or head end) and then an ATSC RF modulator, probably both of which would cost more then just the HD STB.

Correct, but the point is that it could be done if they wanted to.

Correct, but the point is that it could be done if they wanted to.
They could do lots of things but what would be the point of doing it especially since in all likely hood it would result in a degragation of picture quality due to on the fly reencoding from MPEG4 to MPEG2 that they TV could handle?

They could do lots of things but what would be the point of doing it especially since in all likely hood it would result in a degragation of picture quality due to on the fly reencoding from MPEG4 to MPEG2 that they TV could handle?

Considering there are people that say the DVD is not much worse than HD I am not sure that many outside of the power HD users will really care. There are many other ways that this could also be accomplished without a real decrease in PQ that still would not need a box at the remote ends.

Considering there are people that say the DVD is not much worse than HD I am not sure that many outside of the power HD users will really care. . DVD isn't much worse PQ the Satellite HD PQ.
And DVD players don't run through coax.
So HD running through Coax would most likly look like crap.

So HD running through Coax would most likly look like crap.As HD is all in the digital domain, it wouldn't matter what kind of wire it was transmitted on.

Your assertion that anything that is modulated is crap is silly at least.

As HD is all in the digital domain, it wouldn't matter what kind of wire it was transmitted on.

Your assertion that anything that is modulated is crap is silly at least. So why then isn't anything thats HD get connected with a Coax?
E* could start by making its TV 2 HD if Coax would work. Right?

So why then isn't anything thats HD get connected with a Coax?
E* could start by making its TV 2 HD if Coax would work. Right?


It's actually because the providers of the content wont allow it.. coax is insecure and easy to record from.. neither hbo, starz, discovery, disney, etc would allow that if it can be stopped..

if you have cable, you can connect a tv tuner to it and get HD content from it.. hell ota uses coax and produces a better picture..

It's actually because the providers of the content wont allow it.. coax is insecure and easy to record from.. neither hbo, starz, discovery, disney, etc would allow that if it can be stopped..

if you have cable, you can connect a tv tuner to it and get HD content from it.. hell ota uses coax and produces a better picture.. Thats just plain dumb. It would make everyones setup much more easy to setup using Coax for everything.

Thats just plain dumb. It would make everyones setup much more easy to setup using Coax for everything.

I completely agree.. technically someone could create a box that has 4+ tuners in and one coax out.. and each tv could get a UHF remote to control the main box..

however, that's very unlikely to happen since it comes back to the whole coax isn't secure and is easy to record from..

Thats just plain dumb. It would make everyones setup much more easy to setup using Coax for everything.

I don't know if many people are aware, E* used to do this when HD was just at its infancy.

Back when HBO and SHO started their first HD channels, E* manufactured an "HD modulator" that could be plugged into the back of their "5000" SD receivers. You then connect the OTA antenna from the HDTV set to that "5000 modulator" and tune to channel 3.1 to watch the HBO or SHO HD channel decoded by the 5000 as if they were receiving an OTA HD channel, and the HD PQ was superb because there were only two HDs at that time, other than an HD demo, no over-compression.

That thing did not last long because people could record the shows in their true HD glory without copy protection.

I don't know if many people are aware, E* used to do this when HD was just at its infancy.

Back when HBO and SHO started their first HD channels, E* manufactured an "HD modulator" that could be plugged into the back of their "5000" SD receivers. You then connect the OTA antenna from the HDTV set to that "5000 modulator" and tune to channel 3.1 to watch the HBO or SHO HD channel decoded by the 5000 as if they were receiving an OTA HD channel, and the HD PQ was superb because there were only two HDs at that time, other than an HD demo, no over-compression.

That thing did not last long because people could record the shows in their true HD glory without copy protection.I don't really have a comment. What can one say.?
I'm not surprised "MAN" Had something to do with this.
What a disappointment.

I don't really have a comment. What can one say.?
I'm not surprised "MAN" Had something to do with this.
What a disappointment.

:up I so agree

I don't really have a comment. What can one say.?
I'm not surprised "MAN" Had something to do with this.
What a disappointment.

Tell that to those who bought the 5000s and the modulators, and the HDVHS recorders, myself included:)

I don't know if many people are aware, E* used to do this when HD was just at its infancy.

Back when HBO and SHO started their first HD channels, E* manufactured an "HD modulator" that could be plugged into the back of their "5000" SD receivers. You then connect the OTA antenna from the HDTV set to that "5000 modulator" and tune to channel 3.1 to watch the HBO or SHO HD channel decoded by the 5000 as if they were receiving an OTA HD channel, and the HD PQ was superb because there were only two HDs at that time, other than an HD demo, no over-compression.

That thing did not last long because people could record the shows in their true HD glory without copy protection.

E* really needed the Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/67/Marvin_the_martian.jpg

E* really needed the Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/67/Marvin_the_martian.jpg

Actually, it's the Illudium PU-36 Explosive Space Modulator.;)

Actually, it's the Illudium PU-36 Explosive Space Modulator.;)
:D:D

Actually, it's the Illudium PU-36 Explosive Space Modulator.;)

According to Wiki:

Marvin the Martian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Marvinthemartain.jpg" class="image"><img alt="Marvinthemartain.jpg" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/31/Marvinthemartain.jpg/200px-Marvinthemartain.jpg"@@AMEPARAM@@en/thumb/3/31/Marvinthemartain.jpg/200px-Marvinthemartain.jpg


On numerous occasions Marvin has tried to destroy the Earth (it obstructs his view of Venus) with his "Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator" (sometimes spelled as "Eludium Pu-36"), which resembles a mere stick of dynamite (The original reference to "Uranium Pu-36" changed to "Illudium Q-36" in subsequent cartoons. Marvin is consistently foiled by Bugs Bunny.

According to Wiki:

Marvin the Martian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_the_Martian)


yeah i remember it too as Q-36 but as mentioned above both are correct so......you're both right :yes:D

yeah i remember it too as Q-36 but as mentioned above both are correct so......you're both right :yes:D Wiki is basically wrong (no surprise). Besides, do you think the zanies at Warner Brothers would have passed up using P-U ?

http://www.tvacres.com/weapons_ammunition_uranium.htm