Ok, I hear everyone tout how great dish's boxes are, I've always thought they were one of the better ones (wouldn't go as far to say they are better than tivo, but comparable).

After owning both Dish & DirecTV boxes now, I see the good an bad of both systems.

Lets start with speed, Dish has this one down without a question. Above an beyond anyone cable, directv, tivo, etc.

Now we can talk about this wonderful thing called stability of software/hardware. Putting together both Dish & DirecTV hardware I was by far more impressed at the quality of directv's dish.. echostar's seems flimsy in comparison.. as for software, I've never seen software less stable than the crap echostar dares to call tested.. DirecTV has the CE program.. Tivo has their beta groups.. echostar has their entire user base.. it's pathetic.. wake up echostar, test your software..

Picture quality.. directv by far.. haven't seen even 1 marco blocking effect.. it takes echostar a little to find a happy median between quality and transponder space..

Software features.. this is a close one.. Dish has some cool features.. but after playing with the directv box I found it's by far easier to turn CC on.. very cool I can watch movies & play music from my pc.. even though I can do it with my xbox it's a nice feature to have.. dish has more favorites and they are a bit easier to get to.. dish's guide if by far prettier, but directv is more accurate and shows items broken up within the 30 minute window (mean 10 & 15 minute shows).. though I'd like to call this one on directv, I'll call this one a tie.. just a little to close for me to pick my favorite..

rain fade, I haven't had any good rain storms yet to pick a winner.. we'll have to check this one after florida's summer (aka rainy) months..

VOD, haven't had much time to verify this one yet.. but if directv categorizes their list it would be enough to abuse echostars pathetic offering..

outside of my personal comparison of the two satellite choices.. i think it's odd that echostars CC is always garbled, I've yet to see that on DirecTV.. i never though much of it.. but I usually use CC when the little one goes to bed so I don't wake her..

Overall I like certain aspects of both services.. I'll be cancelling dish soon due to the wife getting PO'd with their piss poor software updates and the lack of FXHD.. I was just personally annoyed with the noggin/n crap.. but I would been ok staying with dish if the boss didn't demand the change..

on a side note, the SWM freaking ROCKS.. what a simple installation.. now my main tv has all these extra coax cables (back feed, 2 sats, ota, etc) lol..

from personal experience i've had less rain fade than i ever had with dish. i had the dish for dishnetwork always peaked but with directv i've experienced much less rain fade. here in florida that's very important ;)

from personal experience i've had less rain fade than i ever had with dish. i had the dish for dishnetwork always peaked but with directv i've experienced much less rain fade. here in florida that's very important ;)Me too.
Untill I got the 1000.4 dish for Eastern Arc. Then E* and D* were tied
Now I got the Dish 500 + that is the same size as the slimlime, But don't have a slimline anymore , so I can't compair them too. But Rain Fade is Hardly an issue with this Dish.:)

Hemi. I haven't followed Dish as much as I used to so I was wondering if they ever did anything with 129 yet? This was 99% of the reason that I switched back to Directv.

Hemi. I haven't followed Dish as much as I used to so I was wondering if they ever did anything with 129 yet? This was 99% of the reason that I switched back to Directv.

they launched a new sat to replace the old one at that spot.

Ok, I hear everyone tout how great dish's boxes are, I've always thought they were one of the better ones (wouldn't go as far to say they are better than tivo, but comparable).

After owning both Dish & DirecTV boxes now, I see the good an bad of both systems.

Lets start with speed, Dish has this one down without a question. Above an beyond anyone cable, directv, tivo, etc.

Now we can talk about this wonderful thing called stability of software/hardware. Putting together both Dish & DirecTV hardware I was by far more impressed at the quality of directv's dish.. echostar's seems flimsy in comparison.. as for software, I've never seen software less stable than the crap echostar dares to call tested.. DirecTV has the CE program.. Tivo has their beta groups.. echostar has their entire user base.. it's pathetic.. wake up echostar, test your software..

Picture quality.. directv by far.. haven't seen even 1 marco blocking effect.. it takes echostar a little to find a happy median between quality and transponder space..

Software features.. this is a close one.. Dish has some cool features.. but after playing with the directv box I found it's by far easier to turn CC on.. very cool I can watch movies & play music from my pc.. even though I can do it with my xbox it's a nice feature to have.. dish has more favorites and they are a bit easier to get to.. dish's guide if by far prettier, but directv is more accurate and shows items broken up within the 30 minute window (mean 10 & 15 minute shows).. though I'd like to call this one on directv, I'll call this one a tie.. just a little to close for me to pick my favorite..

rain fade, I haven't had any good rain storms yet to pick a winner.. we'll have to check this one after florida's summer (aka rainy) months..

VOD, haven't had much time to verify this one yet.. but if directv categorizes their list it would be enough to abuse echostars pathetic offering..

outside of my personal comparison of the two satellite choices.. i think it's odd that echostars CC is always garbled, I've yet to see that on DirecTV.. i never though much of it.. but I usually use CC when the little one goes to bed so I don't wake her..

Overall I like certain aspects of both services.. I'll be cancelling dish soon due to the wife getting PO'd with their piss poor software updates and the lack of FXHD.. I was just personally annoyed with the noggin/n crap.. but I would been ok staying with dish if the boss didn't demand the change..

on a side note, the SWM freaking ROCKS.. what a simple installation.. now my main tv has all these extra coax cables (back feed, 2 sats, ota, etc) lol..All I can Say,
I get more for my Money with E*.
E* DVR's Sorry Are the Best out there, and No One is even going to convince me D* HR compairs. I don't care what CE crap you throw in it, or the size of the hard drive . Its still way too buggy and none of the functions are mastered.
PQ I used to think D* SD was Better then E* , But Not anymore. It looks like someone turned the Sharp way up. Anyone who has done this knows exactly what I mean.
HD PQ D* Wins that, I would say 85% of the channels on D* have better HD PQ.
D* Single wire ,Way over priced,and not eveyone gets them.
MRV Seems kindof point less since you still need a Receiver in every room,and you are still limited on your recording ability.
Call me when D* Has 1 Master receiver feeding 4 rooms HD with the ability to DVR 8 different shows at once.

they launched a new sat to replace the old one at that spot.

That is good.

what's your number Hemi? :D:p

Hemi. I haven't followed Dish as much as I used to so I was wondering if they ever did anything with 129 yet? This was 99% of the reason that I switched back to Directv. Yes Ciel2. I've heard its better then the 61.5. and the signal strength is way up there now.
Western Arc is where to be, 2 Brand New satellites 110 129.:)

Yes Ciel2. I've heard its better then the 61.5. and the signal strength is way up there now.
Western Arc is where to be, 2 Brand New satellites 110 129.:)

from what i've read Ciel2 is a hell of a satellite! ;)

Call me when D* Has 1 Master receiver feeding 4 rooms HD with the ability to DVR 8 different shows at once. OH I forgot. Don't call me unless it says TIVO on the front of it.:p:p:D

D* Single wire ,Way over priced,and not eveyone gets them.

SWM is no more expensive than buying a DP44 with Dish.

OH I forgot. Don't call me unless it says TIVO on the front of it.:p:p:D

give me the number damn it!!!!!!!:eek: :D

SWM is no more expensive than buying a DP44 with Dish.


i agree. besides many customers have received the swm lnb for free as part of their standard installation. i love the swm lnb! it allows me to do more than the setup I had with E.

SWM is no more expensive than buying a DP44 with Dish. Sure it is. I don't have to buy a DDp44. The dish 500+,1000+,1000.2,1000.4 all come with the ability to hook up 3 DVRs using a Single wire, without the use of a external Multiswitch. How many does the slimline do again?;) And if I did need another DVR hook up , E* would never make me pay for single wire hook up, or a multi switch. Thats part of the standard install.

Call me when D* Has 1 Master receiver feeding 4 rooms HD with the ability to DVR 8 different shows at once.
Nobody has this.

Sure it is. I don't have to buy a DDp44. The dish 500+,1000+,1000.2,1000.4 all come with the ability to hook up 3 DVRs using a Single wire, without the use of a external Multiswitch. How many does the slimline do again?;) And if I did need another DVR hook up , E* would never make me pay for single wire hook up, or a multi switch. Thats part of the standard install.

You can do this with Directv as well. There is no external multiswich needed. As for Dish giving the DP44 I don't fully buy that. I tried to get one and was sent a second DP34 instead. They would have been happy to give me one for $200+.

I have to say that Directv must have a leg up on Dish if you can only hook up 3 DVR's with their dish. The SWMline dish can hook up 4.

Sure it is. I don't have to buy a DDp44. The dish 500+,1000+,1000.2,1000.4 all come with the ability to hook up 3 DVRs using a Single wire, without the use of a external Multiswitch. How many does the slimline do again?;) And if I did need another DVR hook up , E* would never make me pay for single wire hook up, or a multi switch. Thats part of the standard install.
No...Instead they make you pay another DVR fee. :p

I'll post this list that I posted on a couple of other threads about the HRs interactive features. These are interactive features only that standout from other providers. Many DVRs from other providers have some of the same features (as well as others), but non of them have ALL of these:



Many interactive game packages or game mix channels (LP, CI, EI, ST, MM, ex) with 8 channels
Sports mix (8 channels)
News mix (8 channels)
Game mix (video games, card games, board games, ex)
VOD correlated with each channel (for example TLC is 280 so TLC VOD is 1280).
The Weather Channel local
Internet programming
DirecTV2PC
Mediashare
Game Search
iPhone and other networking phone DVR programming
MRV (CE only now)
"Active" menu
Caller ID
1080p VOD (30 programs - Dish has 1). 10 available over the satellite (no broadband needed)

I tried to get one and was sent a second DP34 instead.This is similar to an argument used in the D* forums where someone wants SWM but they have more than a few legacy receivers in the home already. You get what you need, not necessarily the latest and greatest.

I have to say that Directv must have a leg up on Dish if you can only hook up 3 DVR's with their dish. The SWMline dish can hook up 4.On the flipside, the SWMLine is absolutely limited to 8 tuners and cannot be expanded under any circumstances.

You can do this with Directv as well. There is no external multiswich needed. As for Dish giving the DP44 I don't fully buy that. I tried to get one and was sent a second DP34 instead. They would have been happy to give me one for $200+.

I have to say that Directv must have a leg up on Dish if you can only hook up 3 DVR's with their dish. The SWMline dish can hook up 4. Then you must not of had Dish Pro Equipment.
And Directvs Slimline can only support 2 DVRs, without a WB 68 Multiswitch , and that still doesn't make it single wire.
Since when does the Slimline Support 4 DVRs. Last I know you needed 2 wires ran for each DVR.

Then you must not of had Dish Pro Equipment.
And Directvs Slimline can only support 2 DVRs, without a WB 68 Multiswitch , and that still doesn't make it single wire.
Since when does the Slimline Support 4 DVRs. Last I know you needed 2 wires ran for each DVR.
Nope...Not anymore.

Nope...Not anymore. Explain?, Not by using a $200 Swm Unit either? So they have Single Wire LNBs now standard on the slimline?

Explain?, Not by using a $200 Swm Unit either? So they have Single Wire LNBs now standard on the slimline?
In many installs, yes.

Nobody has this. I didn't say anyone did. But MRV seems dumb and pointless.
Whats the Benifit?
You still need a Receiver in every room.
You still need an HD receiver in everyroom.
Your Using one DVR for 4 rooms.
100 Hours would go Quick.
So whats the Pros of this system?

Explain?, Not by using a $200 Swm Unit either? So they have Single Wire LNBs now standard on the slimline?

Depends on the installer, my son got one on a 4 tuner install (one HD DVR, one HD STB and one SD STB) a few weeks. ago. Plus get your pricing correct, a SWM Slimline is $148 or just the SWM LNB is $80, see
Satellite Equipment | DIRECTV Dishes | Solid Signal (http://www.solidsignal.com/cat_display.asp?main_cat=02&cat=DIRECTV%20Dishes).

In many installs, yes. I've not seen one yet . If someone has 2 DVRs, D* isn't giving them any single wire equipment. Just like E* isn't giving DDP44 to customers that only have 3 DVRs.

I didn't say anyone did. But MRV seems dumb and pointless.
Whats the Benifit?
You still need a Receiver in every room.
You still need an HD receiver in everyroom.
Your Using one DVR for 4 rooms.
100 Hours would go Quick.
So whats the Pros of this system?

Pros :
- Watch something recorded on any other HD DVR in the home, not limited to one DVR.
- Can use cat5 or greater wired, wireless (802.11g or higher) or powerline for network connection. Your solution, you've mentioned in the past, is run HDMI cabling to every room, hard to do for many homes unless you do it at build time.
- Can watch recorder content in full HD and DD5.1 audio, Dish's standard way of doing MRV is NTSC with MTS audio.

Depends on the installer, my son got one on a 4 tuner install a few weeks. ago. Plus get your pricing correct, a SWM Slimline is $148 or just the SWM LNB is $80, see
Satellite Equipment | DIRECTV Dishes | Solid Signal (http://www.solidsignal.com/cat_display.asp?main_cat=02&cat=DIRECTV%20Dishes). So if I want a Single wire solution with D* its going to cost me $150? OK, I got 3 HDVRs from E* for $150 and that included Single wire install.
Single Wire Solution , Isn't Standard the Practice for D* customers getting new service. Maybe in the big Citys where everyone live in apartment or sky scrapers, But I've not seen any SWM installs, Or has my friend even seen an LNB or SW Mulitswitch for any of his new installs.

I've not seen one yet . If someone has 2 DVRs, D* isn't giving them any single wire equipment. Just like E* isn't giving DDP44 to customers that only have 3 DVRs.
Not according to the post above yours.

But that wasn't your original point. You simply said, "Last I know you needed 2 wires ran for each DVR", which I pointed out was false. Then you keep changing the criteria. First by saying without extra purchase, and then limiting the number of DVRs.

For your original point of, "Last I know you needed 2 wires ran for each DVR," the answer is simply, no...you do not need 2 wires for each DVR.

Pros :
- Watch something recorded on any other HD DVR in the home, not limited to one DVR.
. I can already do this. With my 622, and my External Hardrive that I can plug into my 612 and 622.

Pros :
- Watch something recorded on any other HD DVR in the home, not limited to one DVR.
- Can use cat5 or greater wired, wireless (802.11g or higher) or powerline for network connection. Your solution, you've mentioned in the past, is run HDMI cabling to every room, hard to do for many homes unless you do it at build time.
- Can watch recorder content in full HD and DD5.1 audio, Dish's standard way of doing MRV is NTSC with MTS audio.
It can also be done wirelessly as well. Someone on DBStalk posted a video of their setup, with one DVR connected wirelessly (through a wireless router).

Another pro is that you can use your other DVRs to record 2 things and your main DVR to record 1 (total of 7 things recorded at once) while you still watch something else. Addresses that issue of being able to record multiple things at one time.

For your original point of, "Last I know you needed 2 wires ran for each DVR," the answer is simply, no...you do not need 2 wires for each DVR. Yes you do! If you want it to function as it should You need 2 wire or a Single Wire Multi switch or LNB. You knew what I ment.;)

I can already do this. With my 622, and my External Hardrive that I can plug into my 612 and 622.
Wirelessly, viewing the menus of all DVRs on anyone of them, without having to move equipment around?

It can also be done wirelessly as well. Someone on DBStalk posted a video of their setup, with one DVR connected wirelessly (through a wireless router).

Another pro is that you can use your other DVRs to record 2 things and your main DVR to record 1 (total of 7 things recorded at once) while you still watch something else. Addresses that issue of being able to record multiple things at one time. Still Pointless. If you have 2 DVrs already, Might as well get a 3rd or 4th.
No one should get their hopes up anyway over this, Because D* can't even their DVR to do 1 room corectly let alone 4.:p

So if I want a Single wire solution with D* its going to cost me $150? OK, I got 3 HDVRs from E* for $150 and that included Single wire install.
Single Wire Solution , Isn't Standard the Practice for D* customers getting new service. Maybe in the big Citys where everyone live in apartment or sky scrapers, But I've not seen any SWM installs, Or has my friend even seen an LNB or SW Mulitswitch for any of his new installs.

Hemi, you think what you want to think, all I can say is my son on a new install in a single famliy home got the SWMLNB, no extra charge. Other people have also reported getting SWMLNB's as part of their install, no extra charge and no hassel getting it.

Hemi, we know you love Dish and hate DirecTV but please stop making these statements like since you and your friend didn't get something that nobody does, it don't work that way.

Wirelessly, viewing the menus of all DVRs on anyone of them, without having to move equipment around or plug things in? Ok ,and How does all these receiver communicate with one another?
Cat 6?

I can already do this. With my 622, and my External Hardrive that I can plug into my 612 and 622.

Yep, get up, disconnect the harddrive from one box and move it to another box, yea that's real user friendly:rolleyes:

Still Pointless. If you have 2 DVrs already, Might as well get a 3rd or 4th.
No one should get their hopes up anyway over this, Because D* can't even their DVR to do 1 room corectly let alone 4.:pWe know you have had problems with their DVRs, but I and most people have yet to have an issue. :D

I don't see why it is pointless. The ability to network all DVRs even in HD, without having to use wires is pretty cool to me and many. Many people, including yourself, may not have any use for it, but it is still a nice option for those that do.

Still Pointless. If you have 2 DVrs already, Might as well get a 3rd or 4th.
No one should get their hopes up anyway over this, Because D* can't even their DVR to do 1 room corectly let alone 4.:p

But then you don't have to record everything on every DVR so you can watch whatever you have recorded in any room, don't need to do that with MRV, record it on one HD DVR, watch it anywhere.

Any my four HD DVR's are working just fine thank you.:D

Hemi, you think what you want to think, all I can say is my son on a new install in a single famliy home got the SWMLNB, no extra charge. Other people have also reported getting SWMLNB's as part of their install, no extra charge and no hassel getting it.

Hemi, we know you love Dish and hate DirecTV but please stop making these statements like since you and your friend didn't get something that nobody does, it don't work that way. Because 5 people got single wire solutions with D* for free, Doesn't make that a standard practice. So you stop implying it is when its not true. Thats the same as some of you guys saying D* gives out HD DVRS for free by the bundle. My Freind installs the D* stuff, Its not a matter of what he wants its a matter of what available. And In this area D* isn't installing tons of SWM. They are still putting in WB68's.

Ok ,and How does all these receiver communicate with one another?
Cat 6?
CAT6 or through a wireless router.

Let me see if I can find the video on DBStalk

But then you don't have to record everything on every DVR so you can watch whatever you have recorded in any room, don't need to do that with MRV, record it on one HD DVR, watch it anywhere.

Any my four HD DVR's are working just fine thank you.:D Yea now that you got that CE software out of it.:D I see the same breakthroughs are being made. Reboots wow D* is still working on them I see.:rolleyes:

CAT6 our through a wireless router.

Let me see if I can find the video on DBRtalk OK so D* is installing Cat 6 Now too. And giving you the Plug in Wireless connections. All for Free.
Wow. D* is Nice.

Because 5 people got single wire solutions with D* for free, Doesn't make that a standard practice. So you stop implying it is when its not true. Thats the same as some of you guys saying D* gives out HD DVRS for free by the bundle. My Freind installs the D* stuff, Its not a matter of what he wants its a matter of what available. And In this area D* isn't installing tons of SWM. They are still putting in WB68's.

Hemi, DirecTV installers have said that it is and what the rules are for getting one. You talk to your friend that's an installer and I've talked to a couple here and they say something different. So what you say is the truth and what others say is BS?

CAT6 or through a wireless router.

Let me see if I can find the video on DBStalk
Here it is:

DBSTalk.Com (http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=2060953#post2060953)

OK so D* is installing Cat 6 Now too. And giving you the Plug in Wireless connections. All for Free.
Wow. D* is Nice.
Meant, "or", not "our"

Hemi, DirecTV installers have said that it is and what the rules are for getting one. You talk to your friend that's an installer and I've talked to a couple here and they say something different. So what you say is the truth and what others say is BS? Got nothing to do with Truth and BS. What % tage of New installs with Under 4 Tuners come with a single wire solution? 2-5% How about 4 + tuners, 10%.??? People are asking for SWM, Thats means its not a standard practice.
New E* installs , Well Single Wire Is a Standard Practice.

OK so D* is installing Cat 6 Now too. And giving you the Plug in Wireless connections. All for Free.
Wow. D* is Nice.
:confused:

Who said anything about Direct paying for it?

What does that have to do with anything anyway?

Does Dish pay for your external drive that you unplug and plug into your different DVRs?

OK Rad,
Out of the 300,000 Subs D* added last year , How many were giving SWM?
We Know for a Fact at least 17 million of D* customers don't have this.
I bet atleast 6 million of E* customers do though.

:confused:

Who said anything about Direct paying for it?

What does that have to do with anything anyway?

Does Dish pay for your external drive that you unplug and plug into your different DVRs? Whats the point then again. All that equipment and wireing, Routers Plus the $99 Lease fee, Might as well Just Get a HR22 or 23.

OK Rad,
Out of the 300,000 Subs D* added last year , How many were giving SWM?
We Know for a Fact at least 17 million of D* customers don't have this.
I bet atleast 6 million of E* customers do though.
Again, what does this have to do with anything? If it is need, they now put it in, at no extra cost. The point is, they do and can use a single wire to each DVR allowing for the use of 4 DVRs from one source.

Again, what does this have to do with anything? If it is need, they now put it in, at no extra cost. The point is, they do and can use a single wire to each DVR allowing for the use of 4 DVRs from one source. Its has to do with a lot. Its Not a standard Practice.
In My opinion its needed in every install. And it should be.

Whats the point then again. All that equipment and wireing, Routers Plus the $99 Lease fee, Might as well Just Get a HR22 or 23.
It is a neat feature to have if you want it. Most of us already have a wireless router anyway (heck I have 4 sitting in my closet and one currently being used). I have my PS3, HR20, and desktop already networked to each other. If I get another DVR it would be easy for me to network it, uses the MRV function and not have to run a wire to the other end of the house. I will then be able to record different overlapping shows on both DVRs at the same time and watch any of the shows from any DVR. I can guarantee you I will be doing this soon.

It is a neat feature to have if you want it. Most of us already have a wireless router anyway (heck I have 4 sitting in my closet and one currently being used). I have my PS3, HR20, and desktop already networked to each other. If I get another DVR it would be easy for me to network it, uses the MRV function and not have to run a wire to the other end of the house. I will then be able to record different overlapping shows on both DVRs at the same time and watch any of the shows from any DVR. I can guarantee you I will be doing this soon. Like I said When D* comes out with a HR 1000 That sits in the Basement of your House and Provides 8 Tuners of Satellite Through HDMI, Then I'll be the first to bow down Directv.
If I want to watch a show that bad in a different room, I'll either record it there, or Move My HD Hardrive to that room and take the 2 minutes it takes to unplug it and plug it back in. Sorry MRV doesn't sound at all impressive or by no means a DVR breakthrough.

OK Rad,
Out of the 300,000 Subs D* added last year , How many were giving SWM?
We Know for a Fact at least 17 million of D* customers don't have this.
I bet atleast 6 million of E* customers do though.

Hemi, I don't know and you don't either do you?

And why does it matter to you so bad? If DirecTV does an install and as part of that install puts in either a SWM or two wires to the DVR it functions the same either way now doesn't it?

Yes, Dish had their Dish Pro hardware a number of years ago and it's standard for their installs, yea for them.

It is a neat feature to have if you want it. Most of us already have a wireless router anyway (heck I have 4 sitting in my closet and one currently being used). I have my PS3, HR20, and desktop already networked to each other. If I get another DVR it would be easy for me to network it, uses the MRV function and not have to run a wire to the other end of the house. I will then be able to record different overlapping shows on both DVRs at the same time and watch any of the shows from any DVR. I can guarantee you I will be doing this soon.Most people do have a router, Just like mine its Full, With a Computer,Vonage,a 612 and a 622. Sure Wireless. Ok Is D* making HD receivers equiped with WiFI? Not any of the ones they have right now. And D* even Recomends NOT using Wireless for thier VOD feature. This won't be any different.

Hemi, I don't know and you don't either do you?

And why does it matter to you so bad? If DirecTV does an install and as part of that install puts in either a SWM or two wires to the DVR it functions the same either way now doesn't it?

Yes, Dish had their Dish Pro hardware a number of years ago and it's standard for their installs, yea for them.
It only matter to me when people Imply D* installs SWM Standard with every new install. They DON'T!
Just like it bothers me when people Imply that HR- DVRs are free with a simple phone call. No WAY. Same with the OTA Module Free right? , NOT!

Most people do have a router, Just like mine its Full, With a Computer,Vonage,a 612 and a 622. Sure Wireless. Ok Is D* making HD receivers equiped with WiFI? Not any of the ones they have right now. And D* even Recomends NOT using Wireless for thier VOD feature. This won't be any different.

Ah, so it's DirecTV's fault for your router being out of ports, disconnect the 612 and 622 that will free up a couple ports;) BTW, the HR21/HR22/HR23 DVR's all have a 2nd ethernet port on it so if you have something already connected where you place the HD DVR you can move the cable to port #2 and then connect the existing device to port #2 so no additonal ports needed theren.

And please say way you say wreless is not recommended by DirecTV for VoD when they went to all the trouble of adding native support for the Linksys WGA600N wireless adapter to the boxes and sell them on the DirecTV web site?

Most people do have a router, Just like mine its Full, With a Computer,Vonage,a 612 and a 622. Sure Wireless. Ok Is D* making HD receivers equiped with WiFI? Not any of the ones they have right now. And D* even Recomends NOT using Wireless for thier VOD feature. This won't be any different.

Ah, so it's DirecTV's fault for your router being out of ports, disconnect the 612 and 622 that will free up a couple ports;) BTW, the HR21/HR22/HR23 DVR's all have a 2nd ethernet port on it so if you have something already connected where you place the HD DVR you can move the cable to port #1 and then connect the existing device to port #2 so no additonal ports needed then.

And please say way you say wreless is not recommended by DirecTV for VoD when they went to all the trouble of adding native support for the Linksys WGA600N wireless adapter to the boxes and sell them on the DirecTV web site?

More FUD from Hemi.

It only matter to me when people Imply D* installs SWM Standard with every new install. They DON'T!
Just like it bothers me when people Imply that HR- DVRs are free with a simple phone call. No WAY. Same with the OTA Module Free right? , NOT!

And you imply that everyone can get more then four leased tuners on Dish accounts when I've seen folks say they call and are told no, goes both ways Hemi. Some folks get it some folks don't.

Just like some folks do get free HD DVR's and free AM21 (I did) just like you get free stuff from Dish while others may not. All depends on the CSR's you get and how much they value you as a customer.

Like I said When D* comes out with a HR 1000 That sits in the Basement of your House and Provides 8 Tuners of Satellite Through HDMI, Then I'll be the first to bow down Directv.
If I want to watch a show that bad in a different room, I'll either record it there, or Move My HD Hardrive to that room and take the 2 minutes it takes to unplug it and plug it back in. Sorry MRV doesn't sound at all impressive or by no means a DVR breakthrough.
But in the meantime they have something nobody else has, and many features that few others have.

Yep, get up, disconnect the harddrive from one box and move it to another box, yea that's real user friendly:rolleyes:It seems considerably simpler than the hair involved in setting up a network. Remember sneakernets?

Pretty much everyone who has a USB drive can archive and view content on various ViP series DVRs. Looking at the threads about eSATA and networking D* HD dvrs, I can see some distinct advantages to the E* model.

The one downside to the E* model is that it may not prove reasonable to use the included HomePlug hardware should MRV eventually become available. Then again, with house encryption keys, transferring content between DVRs may be possible.

But in the meantime they have something nobody else has, and many features that few others have.I think you'll find that there are other models in the CATV realm that provide similar functionality in a much more polished way.

It seems considerably simpler than the hair involved in setting up a network. Remember sneakernets?

Pretty much everyone who has a USB drive can archive and view content on various ViP series DVRs. Looking at the threads about eSATA and networking D* HD dvrs, I can see some distinct advantages to the E* model.

The one downside to the E* model is that it may not prove reasonable to use the included HomePlug hardware should MRV eventually become available. Then again, with house encryption keys, transferring content between DVRs may be possible.

I also remember dial up modems and just plugging your laptop into the phone line and loading AOL, but I sure don't want or recommend that we take that step backwards either.

For the folks that don't have networks DirecTV does have the option for powerline adapters that they'll install for you on new orders.

I agree the E* way of handling external HDD's is much better then D*'s, but then again D*'s isn't an advertised or supported feature, especially since they don't charge to enable it like E*;)

Like I said When D* comes out with a HR 1000 That sits in the Basement of your House and Provides 8 Tuners of Satellite Through HDMI, Then I'll be the first to bow down Directv.

You would be the first person to find something else to b$@#% about.

I think you'll find that there are other models in the CATV realm that provide similar functionality in a much more polished way.

Besides Tivo who else is doing this in a more polished way?

wow.. I started some discussion.. lol..

wow.. I started some discussion.. lol..

So far the best post of the tread was your stating post of it.

wow!! it got steamy in here :D sorry i missed the war!!! I was getting some fresh air outside. getting some much needed sun and exercise;)

wow.. I started some discussion.. lol.. No some just get pissed off over nothing. Its really Funny!:D

Ah, so it's DirecTV's fault for your router being out of ports, disconnect the 612 and 622 that will free up a couple ports;) ? No one said it was , But its another thing that might cost money to do D* lame MRV system.

No one said it was , But its another thing that might cost money to do D* lame MRV system.
As it is additional cost for an external drive.

I realize you do not care for it, but many do. Just because you would not use it does not make it lame. IMO, it is one of the best things development for DVRs thus far.

No some just get pissed off over nothing. Its really Funny!:D
I haven't seen anyone getting pissed off. At least from what I have read, it doesn't appear too me that anyone is real angry.

And you imply that everyone can get more then four leased tuners on Dish accounts when I've seen folks say they call and are told no, goes both ways Hemi. Some folks get it some folks don't.

.If they are told no , Then Either their Credit is sub Par, Or they subscribe to a minimal base pack.
Most Folks Don't get 2 and 3 Free HD DVRs with Directv.
And most folks don't get single wire solution either.

I haven't seen anyone getting pissed off. At least from what I have read, it doesn't appear too me that anyone is real angry.Not you Dodger. We can discuss with order on most of our subjects.
Sorry Rad you can accept anything negative about your company . Directv!
CE is a Joke and so is the MRV.

As it is additional cost for an external drive.

I realize you do not care for it, but many do. Just because you would not use it does not make it lame. IMO, it is one of the best things development for DVRs thus far. Sorry But I don't agree, D* should have stayed with the plans On the Single HD DVR for the entire house. This is not it.
I honestly don't think most customers will accept this.
Why? Because you and so many other complain about E* dual room receivers ,because 2 rooms have to share the same Hard drive. Well With this MRV 4 rooms have to share the same Hard drive. So how is that better?

Sorry But I don't agree, D* should have stayed with the plans On the Single HD DVR for the entire house. This is not it.
I honestly don't think most customers will accept this.
Why? Because you and so many other complain about E* dual room receivers ,because 2 rooms have to share the same Hard drive. Well With this MRV 4 rooms have to share the same Hard drive. So how is that better?
There are limits to single DVR MRV, such as that with HD. On Dish for example one can only watch HD on one TV. Of course that can easily change, but I doubt they will be able to allow one DVR for 4 different rooms (especially all in HD)???

Also, one advantage in allowing multiple DVR MVR is the use of many more tuners, all in HD (OTA tuners as well).

Not you Dodger. We can discuss with order on most of our subjects.
Sorry Rad you can accept anything negative about your company . Directv!
CE is a Joke and so is the MRV.
No, what I can't accept is you making statement like they are facts when they are incorrect.

You say nobody's getting SWM's installed, showed you wrong there. You said that SWM's cost $200, showed you wrong there. You said that DirecTV recommended that wireless not be used for DoD, showed you wrong there.

If you like carrying around a harddrive under your arm when you want to watch a recording in another room ,if that's your ideal solution fine. But looks like someother E* subs don't find it ideal, see http://www.satelliteguys.us/1790493-post17.html, "The big problem with multiple drives is for my family's use. Changing drives, swapping cables, powering up and down, keeping track of what programs are on which drives - too big of a challenge. ". And you call D*'s MRV implementation a joke, calling your solution is the joke. Hell, even Vurbano who usually has nothing nice to say about DirecTV says he like MRV from what he's seen.

Hemi, I can accept negative things about DirecTV when they are accurate, like where's the HBO and Cinemax HD channels that they said we'd have a year ago. Or charging for Superfan to get the HD channels in NFL-ST. What I can't accept is BS from ones that have a stick up their a** about DirecTV and try to make it look bad with inaccurate information.

There are limits to single DVR MRV, such as that with HD. On Dish for example one can only watch HD on one TV. Of course that can easily change, but I doubt they will be able to allow one DVR for 4 different rooms (especially all in HD)???

Also, one advantage in allowing multiple DVR MVR is the use of many more tuners, all in HD (OTA tuners as well). What ever. I said my opinion on it. And Not much else I can say. If I ever would think about going to directv, 1 master system with a Fully Functional DVR in 4 Rooms, would be a good answer. But D* seems to be taking the easy cheap route, and I'm not at all impressed with it.

What ever. I said my opinion on it. And Not much else I can say. If I ever would think about going to directv, 1 master system with a Fully Functional DVR in 4 Rooms, would be a good answer. But D* seems to be taking the easy cheap route, and I'm not at all impressed with it.
A second advantage is the ability to watch any recording from any DVR anytime anywhere in the house. With an external hard drive you are limited to the DVR currently hooked to the external drive.

A second advantage is the ability to watch any recording from any DVR anytime anywhere in the house. With an external hard drive you are limited to the DVR currently hooked to the external drive.Not true. My Hardrive works with my 612 and 622. and if I got a 722 it would work with thats as well. The 612,622,and 722 can share and watch movies from 1 single External Hardrive., The 211 can't But the 211 isn't a dvr. But it can watch and record to a Hard drive.

Not true. My Hardrive works with my 612 and 622. and if I got a 722 it would work with thats as well. The 612,622,and 722 can share and watch movies from 1 single External Hardrive., The 211 can't But the 211 isn't a dvr. But it can watch and record to a Hard drive.

does E charge you a one time fee to activate the external HardDrive feature for each DVR or is it just a one,one time fee for all DVR's? I don't remember right now.

Not true. My Hardrive works with my 612 and 622. and if I got a 722 it would work with thats as well. The 612,622,and 722 can share and watch movies from 1 single External Hardrive., The 211 can't But the 211 isn't a dvr. But it can watch and record to a Hard drive.
I realize that. That is not what I meant. Maybe I wasn't clear? Let me clarify.

What I meant by limited to the DVR currently hooked up is you can only watch what is on the external on the DVR that it is hooked up to at the time. IOW, you can only watch what is on your external drive on your 612 when your 612 is hooked to it and while it is hooked to your 612 you cannot view it on your 622 until you move it to your 622.

With Directs networked MRV you can watch anything on any DVR at anytime. I am not limited to the DVR that is currently being used or that is currently hooked up to something (like an external drive). IOW, If I have 2 shows on one DVR I can watch one program from that one DVR on one in my room and at the same time watch another show from that same DVR on a 3rd DVR at the same time.

No one said it was , But its another thing that might cost money to do D* lame MRV system.

Hemi, have you ever used Directv's MRV?

does E charge you a one time fee to activate the external HardDrive feature for each DVR or is it just a one,one time fee for all DVR's? I don't remember right now.
I wouldn't be too surprised if Direct charges for the ability to use this function once it is no longer a CE???

I wouldn't be too surprised if Direct charges for the ability to use this function once it is no longer a CE???

It's not a CE feature with Directv.

It's not a CE with Directv.
It's not?

I wouldn't be too surprised if Direct charges for the ability to use this function once it is no longer a CE???

They might but so far they haven't charged an extra fee for all the other things they've added to the box. They might just use it as a competative advantage like TWC does when they advertise no extra fee for HD channels.


BTW: The MRV server code isn't CE, it's in the national release on the HR2X's. For the client it is in the the CE cycle at this time but the current CE's for the H21's are marked as release canidate so it might be NR fairly soon.

It's not?

Hard Drive expansion no, MRV yes.

Hard Drive expansion no, MRV yes.

if they decide they're going to charge a monthly fee for MRV they can keep it. a one time fee i'm willing to pay but that's it. i'm enjoying this cool feature right now but if i have to pay a monthly fee for it i rather get another dvr for the room.

Hemi, have you ever used Directv's MRV?

he hasn't and he never will ;)

if they decide they're going to charge a monthly fee for MRV they can keep it. a one time fee i'm willing to pay but that's it. i'm enjoying this cool feature right now but if i have to pay a monthly fee for it i rather get another dvr for the room.

Well you have to get the DVR for the other room with it anyway dont you?

I see merit with it in that I can watch anything, anywhere that I have a networked DVR. That is a huge plus to those that network their DVRS. It can all be in HD, on any set.

However, I could simply DVR on any DVR, but that seems repetative. Why do it on all of them if you can do it on one and share. I imagine they would make this the norm with the H series in the future too, although I have not seen anything to make me think that.

he hasn't and he never will ;):up Thank you.:)
I told you what I want a Single 8 Tuner Tivo HD DVR, And some HD premiums. Then I'll be impressed.:D

:up Thank you.:)
I told you what I want a Single 8 Tuner Tivo HD DVR, And some HD premiums. Then I'll be impressed.:D

So you are not impressed with E* right now?:p

:up Thank you.:)
I told you what I want a Single 8 Tuner Tivo HD DVR, And some HD premiums. Then I'll be impressed.:D


So HD premiums makes hardware better? :eek:

Since you have not tried MRV I will now disregard any comments you make as being FUD since you have no idea what you are talking about.

Well you have to get the DVR for the other room with it anyway dont you?

I see merit with it in that I can watch anything, anywhere that I have a networked DVR. That is a huge plus to those that network their DVRS. It can all be in HD, on any set.

However, I could simply DVR on any DVR, but that seems repetative. Why do it on all of them if you can do it on one and share. I imagine they would make this the norm with the H series in the future too, although I have not seen anything to make me think that.

no, you can use a receiver as a client and the dvr is the server. so you can see any of the recorded programs you have on that one dvr with any receiver anywhere in the house without having to disconnect and connect an external hard drive to another room.;) rad will correct me if i'm wrong:) and your post above is the reason why i find MRV a really neat feature to have:up

:up Thank you.:)
I told you what I want a Single 8 Tuner Tivo HD DVR, And some HD premiums. Then I'll be impressed.:D

that would be a hell of a DVR!!!!:up

that would be a hell of a DVR!!!!:up

He would still have something to complain about though.