Let the War begin:

DISH Network(R) Introduces New National HD Channels - Yahoo! Finance (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/DISH-NetworkR-Introduces-New-prnews-15184468.html?.v=1)

Would love to see how that get that count.

Well I have 90 HD channels, and I don't have Cinemax,Showtime, Starz,or Multi Sports Pack.
Plus I'm using the satellite setup that only has 5 PPV HD, Not the 15 or 18 that the 1000.2 and 1000.4 customers have.

DirectTV must be planning something big. No way will they let Dish own them for too long.

DirectTV must be planning something big. No way will they let Dish own them for too long.
Many D* customers hope your right.
Atleast G4 or E HD would be a good start.

E* has always owned D*...even when D* makes their huge, heroic announcements, every time they appear to take the lead in reality, it never lasts long.

But so long as D* offers their sports packs, there are those who will always consider D* the leader...

And so long as E* remains current in technology, offers more channels, and keeps with the current trends, there will be those who consider E* the leader.

Take your pick...

Many D* customers hope your right.
Atleast G4 or E HD would be a good start.

Hopefully, they will pick a few channels with some actual HD content! :eureka

Hopefully, they will pick a few channels with some actual HD content! :eureka Yea HD content helps:D

E* has always owned D*...even when D* makes their huge, heroic announcements, every time they appear to take the lead in reality, it never lasts long.

But so long as D* offers their sports packs, there are those who will always consider D* the leader...

And so long as E* remains current in technology, offers more channels, and keeps with the current trends, there will be those who consider E* the leader.

Take your pick...

Please provide your defintion of "long".

Please provide your defintion of "long".
Not Short.:)

E* has always owned D*...even when D* makes their huge, heroic announcements, every time they appear to take the lead in reality, it never lasts long.

But so long as D* offers their sports packs, there are those who will always consider D* the leader...

And so long as E* remains current in technology, offers more channels, and keeps with the current trends, there will be those who consider E* the leader.

Take your pick...
:rolleyes::rolleyes:

I'll even admit D* was the HD leader from September 2007- April 2009.:)
But as of Today , Sorry E* has a way better HD lineup.

Please provide your defintion of "long".

are you confused again?

are you confused again?

No, but as an E* subscriber that's been lead to believe that soon means 1 to 2 years just wondering what you thought long meant.:rolleyes:

But even Hemi has said that for 19 months D* had the better HD lineup. Just check with the folks that missed BSG or SGA in HD because Dish didn't have Sci-Fi. Or the ones that missed Daytona Speed week or the All-Star Race because they couldn't get Speed in HD, only a couple examples.

Maybe E* will have the lead for another 8 or 9 months, until D12 goes operational and hopefully D* adds all the HD channels that they are missing.

D* is Still by far the HD sports and SD sports Leader

D* is Still by far the HD sports and SD sports Leader

Thats all they've ever been...but for some, thats enough...

No, but as an E* subscriber that's been lead to believe that soon means 1 to 2 years just wondering what you thought long meant.:rolleyes:

But even Hemi has said that for 19 months D* had the better HD lineup. Just check with the folks that missed BSG or SGA in HD because Dish didn't have Sci-Fi. Or the ones that missed Daytona Speed week or the All-Star Race because they couldn't get Speed in HD, only a couple examples.

Maybe E* will have the lead for another 8 or 9 months, until D12 goes operational and hopefully D* adds all the HD channels that they are missing.

I never gave D* credit for having a better lineup until after E* dropped Voom...than, as far as I was concerned...they were the same. Slight, short-lived edge to D*. But like I said, it didn't last long...

D* has had more National HD then E* only up untill like last month. Remember the Viacoms we didn't have or the Fox stations. D* has had these back when I used their services fulltime.

I never gave D* credit for having a better lineup until after E* dropped Voom...than, as far as I was concerned...they were the same. Slight, short-lived edge to D*. But like I said, it didn't last long... Voom did give an atvantage, since they were the only real fulltime HD channels anywhere. But the Content was going down hill Fast. Thats why Cablevision and E* no longer carry these.

I never gave D* credit for having a better lineup until after E* dropped Voom...than, as far as I was concerned...they were the same. Slight, short-lived edge to D*. But like I said, it didn't last long...


Wasn't it because E* dropped the Voom channels that they then had the bandwidth to add the national HD channels that they did back then?

Wasn't it because E* dropped the Voom channels that they then had the bandwidth to add the national HD channels that they did back then? Yes. Bandwidth then was very hard to come by.
Eastern Arc and E*11,and Ceil2 made it possible for the rest. I bet if AMC 14 wasn't MIA Voom might have stayed around awhile longer.

Wasn't it because E* dropped the Voom channels that they then had the bandwidth to add the national HD channels that they did back then?

Yes...they downgraded their HD programming...thus giving up the advantage they had at the time. That was when D* took their short-lived lead...

AMC 14 Put a hurting on E* for quite a few months.
I wonder what it would be like right now if AMC 14 made it to its orbital location?
D* would have been way behind I bet.

Yes...they downgraded their HD programming...thus giving up the advantage they had at the time. That was when D* took their short-lived lead...

So then by your definition of time frames E*'s lead will be short lived when D* adds channels in around December once D12 goes operational.

So then by your definition of time frames E*'s lead will be short lived when D* adds channels in around December once D12 goes operational.It will be interesting to see what they add for HD with D12.
I wonder if they will add more Premiums SD and HD.

So then by your definition of time frames E*'s lead will be short lived when D* adds channels in around December once D12 goes operational.

Depends how many more channels E* adds by then, doesn't it...

I don't see E* adding much more now for quite awhile. Yea MSNBC HD , But not till June, I bet we don't see another after June untill 2010.

It will be interesting to see what they add for HD with D12.
I wonder if they will add more Premiums SD and HD.

That's a $64,000 question. I would guess it's not SD programming since folks would need the MPEG4/Ka setup to get them. I would bet some premium HD since they're still missing the HBO/Cinemax channels they said they would add almost 2 years ago. We'd probably see QVC HD since IIRC that was one of the Liberty channels that will go to DirecTV with the Liberty->DirecTV split.

I don't see E* adding much more now for quite awhile. Yea MSNBC HD , But not till June, I bet we don't see another after June untill 2010.

Well, we've been wrong before...only time will tell...

I'll even admit D* was the HD leader from September 2007- April 2009.:)
But as of Today , Sorry E* has a way better HD lineup.

agreed

Wasn't it because E* dropped the Voom channels that they then had the bandwidth to add the national HD channels that they did back then?wrong... they added the new channels first, they had enough bandwidth to do that, THEN they dropped VOOM over the next couple of nights.

agreed

I can't agree with that at all....it all comes down to how much value one placed in Voom....and I for one placed a lot of value on 15 channels of full-time, high-quality HD. Nothing they replaced it with, and nothing since ever came close...

As far as I'm concerned, the whole HD competition was dead-even after that...

Correctly if I am wrong but doesn't Dish still have some space on E-11 at 110 W for some additional HD channels for the Western Arc. I was under the impression that capacity on the Eastern Arc was limiting what Dish could add although they have been moving some international programming to 118 W to make room at 61.5 W. If this is correct then when Nimiq 5 is launched, Dish may get all 32 TPs at 72.7 W but even if they only get 16, if Dish moves E-6 to 61.5 W after Nimiq 5 is operational, they will gain 4 TPs at 61.5 W because of the E-3 failures there. This could occur as early as October 2009. Also Nimiq 5 is scheduled to launch sooner than D-12 and since it is not a spotbeam satellite, it should take a lot less longer to test than D-12 which is.

Dish is the HD leader for what MOST subs order as a package

Thats all they've ever been...but for some, thats enough...
For a while they were the HD basic channel leader as well, even lead in the most premiums in HD for a few weeks. For the most part Dish has always been the premium HD leader. Now they have taken over the HD basic channel lead as well.

For a while they were the HD basic channel leader as well, even lead in the most premiums in HD for a few weeks. For the most part Dish has always been the premium HD leader. Now they have taken over the HD basic channel lead as well.

Somebody hand DK a tissue....:(

Somebody hand DK a tissue....:(
:confused:

It will be interesting to see what they add for HD with D12.
I wonder if they will add more Premiums SD and HD.They better i think we have sports covered!:D:up

They better i think we have sports covered!:D:up

As if I needed help to prove my point...lmao...

enjoy the 'sports'...:p

I can't agree with that at all....it all comes down to how much value one placed in Voom....and I for one placed a lot of value on 15 channels of full-time, high-quality HD. Nothing they replaced it with, and nothing since ever came close...

As far as I'm concerned, the whole HD competition was dead-even after that...

while i agree with hemi that E is the HD leader right now, i also agree with your valid point on voom. i miss voom but to be honest in the last year E had voom it was becoming very irritating for me to see how much programming was being repeated in so little time. while everyone else does repeat programming, i felt voom was repeating more in less amount of time. do i miss voom? yes. all I wanted was for voom to invest more time and money on new programming. my favs were rave,equator,treasure and gallery HD.......

They better i think we have sports covered!:D:up Well, there is more sports out there.:D

while i agree with hemi that E is the HD leader right now, i also agree with your valid point on voom. i miss voom but to be honest in the last year E had voom it was becoming very irritating for me to see how much programming was being repeated in so little time. while everyone else does repeat programming, i felt voom was repeating more in less amount of time. do i miss voom? yes. all I wanted was for voom to invest more time and money on new programming. Mav and FTV are kindof the same content as some of the voom channels. Mav is kind of a neat channel.

Mav and FTV are kindof the same content as some of the voom channels. Mav is kind of a neat channel.
my favs were rave,equator,treasure and gallery HD.......
sorry,don't mean to turn this into a voom thread.i'll stop now.

Correctly if I am wrong but doesn't Dish still have some space on E-11 at 110 W for some additional HD channels for the Western Arc. I was under the impression that capacity on the Eastern Arc was limiting what Dish could add although they have been moving some international programming to 118 W to make room at 61.5 W. If this is correct then when Nimiq 5 is launched, Dish may get all 32 TPs at 72.7 W but even if they only get 16, if Dish moves E-6 to 61.5 W after Nimiq 5 is operational, they will gain 4 TPs at 61.5 W because of the E-3 failures there. This could occur as early as October 2009. Also Nimiq 5 is scheduled to launch sooner than D-12 and since it is not a spotbeam satellite, it should take a lot less longer to test than D-12 which is.

You are correct. The WA system is fat and happy compared to EA. But then again EA is all MPEG4 and they still aren't maximizing on the bandwidth like they could on EA. For instance, if they carry the HD local they don't waste the bandwidth on the SD one since all the receivers on EA are MPEG4 HD receivers. They don't do this with the national HDs yet. Not sure of the reasoning on this one, as the HD receivers downrez the HD onto an SD just fine.

I have my 722 TV1 and TV2 signals combined into my basic cable for the rest of the TVs in the house. On any of the other 5 TV's we can watch cable or just scroll up to 76 and 79 to watch the 722. I have a notch filter blocking out 75-80 on the cable system since those encrypted digitals anyways. When we are watching TV on those we watch the HD channels since they look much better than the SDs.

And DishNetwork is going to bring on the heat in the HD war in AK/HI this month....

Why is it that Dish is able to do more channel per transponder than Direct?

Why is it that Dish is able to do more channel per transponder than Direct?

because they cram it in there. so this pic quality suffers a little bit....

because they cram it in there. so this pic quality suffers a little bit....

While D* was launching satellites, there was a lot of speculation as to how E* was going to 'keep up' and stay competitive. Some had stated that E* was making their investment 'on the ground' on mpeg4 compression equipment that COULD squeeze more channels on a single transponder without hurting PQ so much. Now how true that is, I do not know...I'm just recalling discussions from days gone by. Not being as knowledgeable in this technology as some, I would just as soon put that thought out there and let one of our more knowledgeable forum members enlighten us. I'm kind of curious as well...

While D* was launching satellites, there was a lot of speculation as to how E* was going to 'keep up' and stay competitive. Some had stated that E* was making their investment 'on the ground' on mpeg4 compression equipment that COULD squeeze more channels on a single transponder without hurting PQ so much. Now how true that is, I do not know...I'm just recalling discussions from days gone by. Not being as knowledgeable in this technology as some, I would just as soon put that thought out there and let one of our more knowledgeable forum members enlighten us. I'm kind of curious as well...

you are 100% correct. mpeg4 compression allowed both providers to add more HD channels per transponder. the difference was that dish was further compressing to squeeze in more due to the lack of space. with E's recent launches of sats for EA and another one at 129w for the west coast, i doubt this is still an issue. are they still compressing a little more than D per transponder? i don't see why they should still be doing so. :)

Why is it that Dish is able to do more channel per transponder than Direct? D* has a fequency limit with the KA birds, Quite possible that might be near the aloud limits for them orbital locations.
Most likly why your not getting much new HD, Because the KA birds can fit much more then D* has got on them.
They aren't adding them because they want you to have the best PQ, Yea Right:rolleyes:, its most likely because they are really close to their limits.
Did you even see their 101 satellite? Directv will cram just as much if need be.

? i don't see why they should still be doing so. :) Because E* uses a KU system and D* uses KA system.
D* could put 50 HD channels per transponder as long as they stay withing their frequency bounds. That clearly wouldn't:)

Because E* uses a KU system and D* uses KA system.
D* could put 50 HD channels per transponder as long as they stay withing their frequency bounds. That clearly wouldn't:)

Pardon my ignorance here, but what are the differences between the two?

You'll have to ask Digiblur for the exact difference.
Thats the same as asking whats the Difference between ku and c-band.
All I know is KA has a much more narrow band to receive a signal than KU, But I believe the capacity is grater on a KA satellite., But the FCC still has a set limit on how much can be used.

Well, there is more sports out there.:DNO!! Not really!!;)

As if I needed help to prove my point...lmao...

enjoy the 'sports'...:pI really do enjoy them! I do however want it all!:up

I don't see E* adding much more now for quite awhile. Yea MSNBC HD , But not till June, I bet we don't see another after June untill 2010.I hope you're wrong this time. Charlie stated at Team Summit, that HD programming would be their focus this year and that Dish will be the HD leader.

I hope you're wrong this time. Charlie stated at Team Summit, that HD programming would be their focus this year and that Dish will be the HD leader.I hope so.
But I'm not holding my breath.

I hope so.
But I'm not holding my breath.

But I suggest you take that bet of yours back as well.

With HD as their focus for the next 12 months, you should not bet on them not adding a single more national HD in the same 12 months (MSNBC HD notwithstanding), no one should make a bet like that:)

But I suggest you take that bet of yours back as well.

With HD as their focus for the next 12 months, you should not bet on them not adding a single more national HD in the same 12 months (MSNBC HD notwithstanding), no one should make a bet like that:)

yeah...I wouldn't be betting either...

Six months ago I would have bet the we would never see Speed-HD or FX-HD on Dish, and look...I've have lost...

Now I just want SmithsonianHD back...

But I suggest you take that bet of yours back as well.

With HD as their focus for the next 12 months, you should not bet on them not adding a single more national HD in the same 12 months (MSNBC HD notwithstanding), no one should make a bet like that:) I guess we'll see.

I'll even admit D* was the HD leader from September 2007- April 2009.:)
But as of Today , Sorry E* has a way better HD lineup.
I can agree with that for the most part

Pardon my ignorance here, but what are the differences between the two?

Read these 2 articles to understand the differences :)

What is Ku band? (http://www.tech-faq.com/ku-band.shtml)

What is Ka band? (http://www.tech-faq.com/ka-band.shtml)

Because E* uses a KU system and D* uses KA system.
D* could put 50 HD channels per transponder as long as they stay withing their frequency bounds. That clearly wouldn't:)

i understand that but as i asked before, why should they? why not dedicate a little more bandwidth for each channel which would improve pic quality instead of loading the transponders? they do have room now for this.

i understand that but as i asked before, why should they? why not dedicate a little more bandwidth for each channel which would improve pic quality instead of loading the transponders? they do have room now for this. You mean Dishnetwork?
My guess is they don't have a lot of space to do that. They could for the western arc most likly if they switch them to all Mpeg 4, But remember Eastern arc is already Mpeg4, My guess is this is the only way to keep adding HD with the limited means. I don't think E* has a ton of space, If they did. They would only have 5 per transponder.;)

Read these 2 articles to understand the differences :)

What is Ku band? (http://www.tech-faq.com/ku-band.shtml)

What is Ka band? (http://www.tech-faq.com/ka-band.shtml)
They both have a frequency range of 10, so why does one allow more channels per transponder than the other?

They both have a frequency range of 10, so why does one allow more channels per transponder than the other?

Thats what I want to know! :confused:

They both have a frequency range of 10, so why does one allow more channels per transponder than the other? Because fequency range is what is set by the FCC, not by what the actual range really is. They are 2 completely different setups.

What is more important? HD Sports or HD Movies?

1st qtr results:
D* +460,000
E* -94,000

What is more important? HD Sports or HD Movies?

1st qtr results:
D* +460,000
E* -94,000

Maybe just better advertising, name recognition, availability at local stores/retailers or people just don't like Dish?

What is more important? HD Sports or HD Movies?

1st qtr results:
D* +460,000
E* -94,000 You don't need D* to get HD sports.

You don't need D* to get HD sports.
But you do need them to get some of the HD sports that others don't offer (like ST and the 40+ HD games/wk on EI). Plus, Dish does not offer the same number of games in HD for my local teams as Direct does.

But you do need them to get some of the HD sports that others don't offer (like ST and the 40+ HD games/wk on EI). Plus, Dish does not offer the same number of games in HD for my local teams as Direct does. Yea ,but to sit there and say people 18 million subscribe to D* because of HD sports, sorry is just plain Dumb.
D* numbers aren't Higher because Sports in HD are more popular then Movies in HD. I bet atleast 80-90% of D* customers don't even subscribe to a Seasonal sports pack

D* has always been more popular.
They were the first small dish satellite company, they are well known.
I can name people who have never even heard of E*
I can name people who think D* and E* are the same company.

Yea ,but to sit there and say people 18 million subscribe to D* because of HD sports, sorry is just plain Dumb.
D* numbers aren't Higher because Sports in HD are more popular then Movies in HD. I bet atleast 80-90% of D* customers don't even subscribe to a Seasonal sports pack
Ohhhh...I agree. I know several people whom have Direct. Little over half of them chose Direct solely because of sports (remember I hang out with people whom enjoy sports), the other slightly less than half chose them for other reasons (probably because of name, sign up deals, and advertisement)

D* has always been more popular.
They were the first small dish satellite company, they are well known.
I can name people who have never even heard of E*
I can name people who think D* and E* are the same company.
A house up the street from me still has a Prime Star dish on their house.

Yea ,but to sit there and say people 18 million subscribe to D* because of HD sports, sorry is just plain Dumb.
D* numbers aren't Higher because Sports in HD are more popular then Movies in HD. I bet atleast 80-90% of D* customers don't even subscribe to a Seasonal sports pack

Never said all 18 million sub to sports.

However over 10% do subscribe to NFLST alone.

Estimated 2 million of the 18 million subs is 11%. Is probably higher.

Add the other sports packages and I would have to guess that it is over 20% easily.

D* has always been more popular.
They were the first small dish satellite company, they are well known.
I can name people who have never even heard of E*
I can name people who think D* and E* are the same company.

I agree. I think everybody would agree that D*'s marketing has been much better than E*'s.

I agree. I think everybody would agree that D*'s marketing has been much better than E*'s.

+1

I agree. I think everybody would agree that D*'s marketing has been much better than E*'s.

Agreed...at one point D* basically survived on marketing.

Never said all 18 million sub to sports.

However over 10% do subscribe to NFLST alone.

Estimated 2 million of the 18 million subs is 11%. Is probably higher.

Add the other sports packages and I would have to guess that it is over 20% easily.
I still doubt that it is that high. I would imagine (but have no proof) that many that sub to one sports package also sub to another.

Don't forget that a lot of bars (sports or otherwise) and restaurants have DirecTV with the bars taking a lot of the sports packages (at a higher price then the residential pricing).

Don't forget that a lot of bars (sports or otherwise) and restaurants have DirecTV with the bars taking a lot of the sports packages (at a higher price then the residential pricing).
Yeah, that is true. I honestly can not think of a bar that I have been to that has E*.

Yeah, that is true. I honestly can not think of a bar that I have been to that has E*.

hell the last time i saw E* outside of my home was at a disgusting best western i stayed at 2 years ago. they had the old dish 311 receivers.

Yea ,but to sit there and say people 18 million subscribe to D* because of HD sports, sorry is just plain Dumb.
D* numbers aren't Higher because Sports in HD are more popular then Movies in HD. I bet atleast 80-90% of D* customers don't even subscribe to a Seasonal sports pack

In the NYC market D has a huge advatange with sports. They are YES Network and MSG HD. You're talking market with 8 million people.

Yeah, that is true. I honestly can not think of a bar that I have been to that has E*.
There was a couple of bars in Mammoth that had Dish (most of the town has Dish due to line of site and the fact that the installer is a local). Over the last couple of years they too switched to Direct solely because of sports.

hell the last time i saw E* outside of my home was at a disgusting best western i stayed at 2 years ago. they had the old dish 311 receivers.
That is weird. Most motels use local cable and the tuner in the TV itself.

That is weird. Most motels use local cable and the tuner in the TV itself.

i found it weird too.

There was a couple of bars in Mammoth that had Dish (most of the town has Dish due to line of site and the fact that the installer is a local). Over the last couple of years they too switched to Direct solely because of sports.
You cant really blame them. Most places try to be sports bars, and without ST, you lose customers.

In the NYC market D has a huge advatange with sports. They are YES Network and MSG HD. You're talking market with 8 million people. I doubt many people in NY City Have D*. I for one have never seen a D* dish or E* dish in NY city. Not saying they aren't there, But again you don't need D* to get YesHD or MSG HD. I bet most of the city area has Fios and CableVision.
So your not going to tell me NY City houses 8 million D* customers.:rolleyes:

I doubt many people in NY City Have D*. I for one have never seen a D* dish or E* dish in NY city. Not saying they aren't there, But again you don't need D* to get YesHD or MSG HD. I bet most of the city area has Fios and CableVision.
So your not going to tell me NY City houses 8 million D* customers.:rolleyes:

It doesn't. In many areas of NYC cable is your only option due to infrastructure constraints. Sat is an option if you live in some of the outer burrough areas. Where D* has the advantage catering to the NYC market is in the long island areas and, upstate NY, and garden state areas that lack a cable infrastructure and need Sat. But just how many subs that particular audience would amount too? I do not know...

I agree. I think everybody would agree that D*'s marketing has been much better than E*'s.

By far. I love the DirecTV commercials directed by Christopher Guest, as well as the CGI'd classic movie-themed ads before those.

Dish's Caliendo ads were OK, but nowhere near in the same league.

But really, who cares? 13.4 million customers is a LOT. Both are giant, evil, soulless corporations. Dish has maybe a little more soul than D*, since their management reaches out to their die-hard fans via Charlie Chats, Tech Forums, and meet & greets.

hell the last time i saw E* outside of my home was at a disgusting best western i stayed at 2 years ago. they had the old dish 311 receivers.

Both The Drake and Sutton Place in Chicago had Dish (via analog coax distribution) the last times I stayed there.

Both The Drake and Sutton Place in Chicago had Dish (via analog coax distribution) the last times I stayed there.


that's right. same setup where i was. they only had a few channels. it was pretty bad.

That is weird. Most motels use local cable and the tuner in the TV itself.
The casinos here that I have stayed at (the Beau Rivage and the IP) both have directv fed to HD tvs in their rooms. The IP actually has the HD feeds, which is unusual for hotels, even nice ones in most cases.

The casinos here that I have stayed at (the Beau Rivage and the IP) both have directv fed to HD tvs in their rooms. The IP actually has the HD feeds, which is unusual for hotels, even nice ones in most cases.
The casinos in NV have Direct as well, mainly because of the sports bars. But I have only seen Direct being used in the sports bar itself while the rooms have networked cable feed.

The casinos in NV have Direct as well, mainly because of the sports bars. But I have only seen Direct being used in the sports bar itself while the rooms have networked cable feed.
They need to get with the times!!!!:p

I was really suprised to see the HD feeds in the rooms the past few times. I hate when these fancy places get the HD sets, and feed it a crappy HD signal.
I know the first time that I went and they had upgraded, I was shocked. I turned it on to watch a game expecting the same old fuzzy image, and i said to my wife, "whoa, thats far to clear". I thought it might have just been the local stations, but changed to ESPN, CNN, FX, ect....all HD feeds.

No, but as an E* subscriber that's been lead to believe that soon means 1 to 2 years just wondering what you thought long meant.:rolleyes:

But even Hemi has said that for 19 months D* had the better HD lineup. Just check with the folks that missed BSG or SGA in HD because Dish didn't have Sci-Fi. Or the ones that missed Daytona Speed week or the All-Star Race because they couldn't get Speed in HD, only a couple examples.

Maybe E* will have the lead for another 8 or 9 months, until D12 goes operational and hopefully D* adds all the HD channels that they are missing.

I has E HD January 05 until late December 08. I now have D. Todays D HD lineup is not as good as Dishs was in 07 or 08. :D

I has E HD January 05 until late December 08. I now have D. Todays D HD lineup is not as good as Dishs was in 07 or 08. :D

But what will the 2010 lineup be?

But what will the 2010 lineup be?

Who cares...live in the now...

Who cares...live in the now...

A 2 year commitment makes it important.

I has E HD January 05 until late December 08. I now have D. Todays D HD lineup is not as good as Dishs was in 07 or 08. :D
How so?

How so?
I was wondering the same. Direct now has way more HD channels than Dish did 2 or 3 years ago.