I Hooked up my 20 year old VHF antenna and scanned with my HR20 -700 and my ViP 622... both found the same channels, Dish has the nod on easier to get to in the menu's and scan dtv sigs... I gained CBS HD, whats funny is I took a H20 to the camper and got my ABC HD local but no CBS nor NBC (which trys to come in on my 622) but these are the first HD locals OTA ever ava here...

I only have Direct, so I cannot compare. I can say that it took 2 scans for me to get all of the channels listed on my HR20-100. The first scan not only missed a few channels, but it also listed some of the channels under the wrong channel number. I had three 2-1 listings. :confused:

What I did is cleared out all of the OTA info and then did another scan and I was able to get every thing listed that was available.

The Dish Guides only show "Digital Service" while the Directv guides were already populated...I got NBC early this morning and the Today Show wasn't HD...(the Directv guide shows HD)it was off of my Dish HD Local...

I only have Direct, so I cannot compare. I can say that it took 2 scans for me to get all of the channels listed on my HR20-100. The first scan not only missed a few channels, but it also listed some of the channels under the wrong channel number. I had three 2-1 listings. :confused:

What I did is cleared out all of the OTA info and then did another scan and I was able to get every thing listed that was available.
It is not really a scan with the HR series though. Not unless they changed something since I set mine up

It is not really a scan with the HR series though. Not unless they changed something since I set mine up
What do you mean?

What do you mean?

He means direct ota tuners don't have the ability to scan,something i miss from E.

REAL PSIP SCANNING MEANS:

Dish >>>>>> DirecTV

It's not even close, in my mind

REAL PSIP SCANNING MEANS:

Dish >>>>>> DirecTV

It's not even close, in my mind
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D*'s H20's can do channel scans. I don't know if H21s with AM21's added in can do channel scans.

D*'s H20's can do channel scans. I don't know if H21s with AM21's added in can do channel scans.

No, the H21/AM21's don't scan, the only H's that scan are the H20's.

He means direct ota tuners don't have the ability to scan,something i miss from E.
Then why am I able to scan my OTA channels with my HR20?

Then why am I able to scan my OTA channels with my HR20?

Can you get is a screen capture of this since my HR20-700 doesn't have that. I just checked and have the usual initial setup, edit, reset and done, there's no scan.

REAL PSIP SCANNING MEANS:

Dish >>>>>> DirecTV

It's not even close, in my mindHow so? My HR20 scans OTA channels by my zipcode and places them in the guide. I even had to clear out my old OTA guide info to update the current listing. The frequency changes after the transition led to the wrong channel listed under the channel number on both the TV and the HR20

Can you get is a screen capture of this since my HR20-700 doesn't have that. I just checked and have the usual initial setup, edit, reset and done, there's no scan.
I can when I get home later on tonight.

Even you stated in your previous post:


No, the H21/AM21's don't scan, the only H's that scan are the H20's.

Then why am I able to scan my OTA channels with my HR20?


I can when I get home later on tonight.

Even you stated in your previous post:


No, the H21/AM21's don't scan, the only H's that scan are the H20's.

So what box are you talking about the HR20 or the H20? Yes, the H20's scan, the HR20's don't.

Then why am I able to scan my OTA channels with my HR20?
There is no scan option though is there?

My understanding is that the OTA channels you get through the HR series is based on what D* has info for (what is in their database so to speak).

I was not aware that "scanning" as we mean it is involved.

Now, I can change my primary and secondary zips and get different sets of channels, but I can not for example get OTA channels from 3 different markets at the same time. For me that would be Mobile, Al/Biloxi, Ms/Meridian, Ms

I am limited to two of the three at any one time on any one box. I imagine yours is the same.

On the H20 I had, I could scan and get all of the channels in the guide from those three, and any other signals I might be able to pull in.

How so? My HR20 scans OTA channels by my zipcode and places them in the guide. I even had to clear out my old OTA guide info to update the current listing. The frequency changes after the transition led to the wrong channel listed under the channel number on both the TV and the HR20



That's not doing a scan, it's download the table from the satellite for your zip code and then providing a list of the channels/sub channels that DirecTV things is available in that zipcode.

My HR20 (and the other boxes that don't scan) list a couple channels that I don't actually receive but list them because in my DMA I might be able to receive them.

That's not doing a scan, it's download the table from the satellite for your zip code and then providing a list of the channels/sub channels that DirecTV things is available in that zipcode.

My HR20 (and the other boxes that don't scan) list a couple channels that I don't actually receive but list them because in my DMA I might be able to receive them.
My point as well. It also is limited to a primary and secondary market only.

With a true scan, you could perhaps pull in channels from more than two. I know I could prior to the HR series.

Oh...I see. I didn't realize it wasn't scanning.

In a way, isn't downloading a table better than a true scan? Isn't scanning dependent upon the ability to receive a signal for that channel. If one doesn't get a good signal for a channel, then it won't show up in the scan. There are a few OTA channels for which I have to rotate my antenna in order to receive them because the signal is sent from a different direction.

If I were to scan with the antenna facing one way, I will not be able to pick up the stations from the other direction on a scan. It is because I had to redo it several times that I throught it was scanning.

I was rotating that antenna during the setups for no reason. :rolleyes:

Oh...I see. I didn't realize it wasn't scanning.

In a way, isn't downloading a table better than a true scan? Isn't scanning dependent upon the ability to receive a signal for that channel. If one doesn't get a good signal for a channel, then it won't show up in the scan. There are a few OTA channels for which I have to rotate my antenna in order to receive them because the signal is sent from a different direction.

If I were to scan with the antenna facing one way, I will not be able to pick up the stations from the other direction on a scan. It is because I had to redo it several times that I throught it was scanning.

I was rotating that antenna during the setups for no reason. :rolleyes:

I think there's two lines of thinking on this. There are some folks that say they can receive stations from three or more markets but since the receiver allows for only a primary and secondary market they can't get all the stations they could. Then there's people like you that need to rotate an antenna to pick up some stations and then another way for others where a scanning method wouldn't work for them. Guess it's a can't please everyone issue.

Previous boxes I had would hold any found channels even through a rescan. I think the h series did as well. Maybe I had to manually enter them into my favorites. Been a while can't remember

dodger - you're misreading "scan" here, or at least, how most of us think of scanning.

Perfect example - a OTA channel adds a subchannel.

On any other OTA receiver - you can do a "scan," which goes from 2-69, and if you receive a signal, it will add it to your list. Alternatively, you can manually add the new subchannel, and same result.

On the HR's, you have to rely on D*'s provider (Tribune). Sometimes it works great. Other times, it can take WEEKS or MONTHS to add a channel. THERE IS NO DEPENDANCY ON YOU RECEIVING A SIGNAL, good or bad.

I think there's two lines of thinking on this. There are some folks that say they can receive stations from three or more markets but since the receiver allows for only a primary and secondary market they can't get all the stations they could. Then there's people like you that need to rotate an antenna to pick up some stations and then another way for others where a scanning method wouldn't work for them. Guess it's a can't please everyone issue.
Being on the LA, OC, and SB County lines I get LA, OC, and Inland Empire stations pretty clearly and they are in my DMA; I just have to rotate my antenna in those three different directions to face the three different mountains.

Of course I can get an outdoor antenna and pick all of them up without rotating.

dodger - you're misreading "scan" here, or at least, how most of us think of scanning.

Perfect example - a OTA channel adds a subchannel.

On any other OTA receiver - you can do a "scan," which goes from 2-69, and if you receive a signal, it will add it to your list. Alternatively, you can manually add the new subchannel, and same result.

On the HR's, you have to rely on D*'s provider (Tribune). Sometimes it works great. Other times, it can take WEEKS or MONTHS to add a channel. THERE IS NO DEPENDANCY ON YOU RECEIVING A SIGNAL, good or bad.
I understand now. I didn't realize that the HR20's did it this way.

Like I said, I prefer the way the HRs do it in my case since I have to rotate my antenna to get a clear signal of all of the different stations. Scanning would be a bigger pain for me.

The Dish Guides only show "Digital Service" while the Directv guides were already populated...I got NBC early this morning and the Today Show wasn't HD...(the Directv guide shows HD)it was off of my Dish HD Local...
That's because you have to pay for locals with D*, and you weren't paying for locals with E*. If you pay for locals with E*, then you will get the listings correctly.

Actually I am paying for the HD locals, but the ones I get are from Albuquerque, the OTA's are translator stations (dups)...

Well I know one thing... Ncis from my Dish local is 2.4 gigs, from Ota Is 7.5 gigs...