I'm (sorta) sad to announce that Dish Network has lost yet another customer.

I originally signed up with DishNetwork just over ten years ago (June 1999), but now just cannot in good faith stay a subscriber with Cheap Charlie and his Jim De-Castrated minions.

Dish Network just doesn't give a CRAP about sport's fans...especially Major League Baseball fans like myself.

I used to be a MLB-EI subscriber....until Cheap Charlie Ergen made a corporate decision to not buy into the deal that MLB offered them several years ago. So...MLB-EI subscribers @ Dish Network were just screwed thanks to his corporate mishandling and overal cheapness.

I stayed with Dish Network at that time because I do feel that they have...or at least DID have at the time....better HD channel choices and a better HD-DVR. I will miss my VIP DVR...but I won't miss Dish Network and their corporate fools.

The last straw for me staying with Dish Network was in their utter failure to not show the MLB NETWORK...which can into existance as a channel on Jan. 1, 2009.

I've sent numerous emails to Cheap Charlie at ceo@wehatesportsfans.com or whatever his stupid email address is to request that Dish Network immediately add the MLB NETWORK, but to no avail.

I've also called Dish Network CSR's numerous times to request that MLB NETWORK be added to their line-up, but have to EXPLAIN IN FRIGGIN' DETAIL TO THESE IDIOTS EACH TIME THAT THE "MLB NETWORK" IS NOT MLB-EI.

Those CSR SOB's NEVER EVER know what I'm talking about when I mention the "MLB NETWORK"...probably because Cheap Charlie has no problem sending the CSR jobs to India and other places where simple ENGLISH is a SECOND or even THIRD language.

I'm sick of dealing with continual language barriers when dealing with CSR's from a supposed "American" company like Dish Network.

So...tomorrow I have an AM appointment scheduled with Direct TV to set me up with their service and HD-DVR. And I've already called to cancel my Dish Network account and am awaiting on the boxes from UPS to ship my DN equipment back to them in.

Dish Network really really really TRIED to get me to stay (I'm sure they HATE to lose customers like me who subscribed to their EVERYTHING pack), but the CSR annoyed me even more when I tried to explain that I am a BASEBALL fan who has been crapped on for several years by Dish Network and their ultimate refusal to not show the MLB NETWORK on their system drove me to their competitor.

Even the stupid-clueless CSR who is supposed to try to keep me as a Dish Network customer by offering me lots of things to stay did not have a CLUE what the MLB NETWORK is!

I won't be posting anything on the Dish Network forum anymore. If you want to find me, look for me in the Direct TV forums.

Direct TV: They don't take a steamin' crap on Baseball Fans like they "other guy" does!

R.I.P. Dish Network Customer (1999-2009)

I guess all I can say is don't let the door kick you in the butt on the way out... :)


And remember the grass is always greener....

If you really want baseball, then Direct will be your better choice. Remember, each provider has there strengths and weaknesses. There will probably some stuff you will miss about Dish as well.

I won't be posting anything on the Dish Network forum anymore. If you want to find me, look for me in the Direct TV forums.



Well, since you have not posted more than once in nearly two years, I doubt you'll be missed.

I'm happy you are getting the one channel you like. Sorry it took you so long to realize that Dish has great basic sports channels, but doesn't spring for ultra-specialized channels when the price tag is too high.

I am happy I am not paying extra for sports fans to watch channels I couldn't care less about. If I had a choice I would love to lose ALL the sports channels INCLUDING the ESPN monolith which is inflating the monthly subscription!

See ya
Tony

Well, since you have not posted more than once in nearly two years, I doubt you'll be missed.
:D:D true

Isn't MLB Network tied to Extra Inning carriage. Dish can't offer MLB Network if they wanted to since they don't carry Extra Inning. Which I agree, I am glad Dish doesn't carry the sports packages that regular customers have to help subsidize.

Everything you say is unfortunatly true. It looks like D* will be the better option for you, though I agree that the E* receivers are better. I'm currently making the same considerations to swithch because of the lack of new HD for Turbo customers, so others here feel your pain. It's a shame. E* has great potential, but the programming issues and unedgucated CSR's have frustrated me a few times as well.

Unedgucated? :D

too bad so sad, im sure you wont be missed!

I had the exact opposite experice with DirecTV. I was with Dish Network, then switched to DirecTV only to find out that their HD-DVR series is crap and that they do not cater to movie fans. That is why I switched back to Dish, for HBO and Cinemax in HD and the much superior ViP series of DVR's.
There are a few things I miss about DirecTV like their MRV capability and Showtime West in HD, but other than that I could not be happier with Dish Network.
Of course, keep in mind I could care less about sports.

I'm happy you are getting the one channel you like. Sorry it took you so long to realize that Dish has great basic sports channels, but doesn't spring for ultra-specialized channels when the price tag is too high.

I am happy I am not paying extra for sports fans to watch channels I couldn't care less about. If I had a choice I would love to lose ALL the sports channels INCLUDING the ESPN monolith which is inflating the monthly subscription!

See ya
Tony


Tony, Dish may have grat basic sports channels but they are not in HD! People want to get thier sports on thier terms. Not on Charlies. There are 20 million plus sports fans out there. Directv has them all. There are alot more of sports fans than movie fans. Also, the pricing is not too far off from what I was paying for dish. Also, the pricing of tickets such as the MLB Extra innings is the same accrost the board no matter what provider has it. While there are that small amount that doesnt like sports, the amount of sporting fans is alot greater than non sports fans. I continue to see Dish trickleing subs untill they fix this. I havent seen any postive numbers coming out of camp charlie. If they have some this quarter, I would chalk it up to the DTV transition.

No, no, don't go. Oh wait, who cares....

Full Disclosure:
I am with Time Warner Now, but have been with Dish and Direct in the past..I might consider going back to Dish in the future but I also have a FTA Dish on a pole which would have to be used for Dish Network if I ever went back..I am ok with TWC for the present..

It really amuses me to see people that feel they have to make a big production on a message board out of switching from one provider to another..Used to see the same thing with XM/Sirius..Not that many people care to be honest..

And remember the grass is always greener....

At the ballpark it usually is, and shows up nicely on MLB-EI in HD on D*;)

I don't want to turn this into the "I hate sports" holy warriors camp, but ESPN, ESPN2, CBS College Sports, Speed, TBS, TNT, FX which are the top rated sports channels are all in HD. Any sport with NATIONAL interest will be on a broadcast network or on one of these channels. Most RSNs are in HD for the sporting event on Dish. So the CASUAL sports fan (which is most people who call themselves sports fans) can see just about any game or event in HD if they wish.

The pricing for the season packages is the same on Dish and DirecTV. However the unseen part is that there is a flat minimum that the provider pays the league for the honor of carrying the league package plus a per subscriber fee. If the provider doesn't get enough subscribers to cover the minimum flat fee, the money has to come from somewhere. That somewhere is regular subscribers who are uninterested in or unable to pay for these exorbitantly priced packages.

The crime is that the channel most people are interested in is being held hostage with the ransom of the provider rolling the dice and hoping they get enough subscribers to pay the bill for a package the provider doesn't want to carry in the first place. In this case it's the MLB network.

But you know, there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ON MLB NETWORK that isn't already available on ESPN's baseball tonight and other programs on channels already available. Yes, I have seen MLB network. :)

See ya
Tony

But the point is, DirecTV pricing isn't that much more than Dish Network, so it's not as bad as everyone is making it sound. For my package with Dish, I could have the same with DirecTV for about $3 a month more and I would get a much better sporting experience. Dish should simply charge everyone a couple % points more and give everyone what they want. :D

I want my $3 / month, so they can't give everyone what they want!

Personally, I'm not a die hard sports fan. I'm OK without NFL Network, my local RSNs, MLB Network, NHL Network, and any other sport which things it's too good for ESPN's coverage. In the end, that's what markets are all about. Dish gives the option for a basic tier which Direct does not. Dish hardware is also very intuitive and well designed. My only real fear is the outcome of the TiVo patent case (I know...it's another thread).

You pay for what you want. In my case, I'd rather spend my money on movies from Netflix than sports from everyone and their brother. Others make different choices. That's what's great about America.

Happy Independence Day!

I'm happy you are getting the one channel you like. Sorry it took you so long to realize that Dish has great basic sports channels, but doesn't spring for ultra-specialized channels when the price tag is too high.

I am happy I am not paying extra for sports fans to watch channels I couldn't care less about. If I had a choice I would love to lose ALL the sports channels INCLUDING the ESPN monolith which is inflating the monthly subscription!

See ya
Tony

Amen! I can care less about watching sports on TV and do not want to pay for it at all. Free OTA HD channels has plenty of sports....actually too much for my liking.

But the point is, DirecTV pricing isn't that much more than Dish Network, so it's not as bad as everyone is making it sound. For my package with Dish, I could have the same with DirecTV for about $3 a month more and I would get a much better sporting experience. Dish should simply charge everyone a couple % points more and give everyone what they want. :D

$3 is $3! You are saying that everyone should pay for what only some want. I am not for that. I like the OPTION not to pay for stuff I don't want. Again, if I could I would get rid of the ESPN monolith and save another $5 a month!

I know this is heresy to the sports nut, but that's the way I see it. And I am an NFL season ticket holder. So I am a sports fan. I just spend my money on actually going to the game!

[edit]I want to make it clear, I am not saying one is better than the other. I am merely stating that what is "cheap" to one person is known as being "frugal" to others.

See ya
Tony

I had the exact opposite experice with DirecTV. I was with Dish Network, then switched to DirecTV only to find out that their HD-DVR series is crap and that they do not cater to movie fans. That is why I switched back to Dish, for HBO and Cinemax in HD and the much superior ViP series of DVR's.
There are a few things I miss about DirecTV like their MRV capability and Showtime West in HD, but other than that I could not be happier with Dish Network.
Of course, keep in mind I could care less about sports.
This is the main difference between the two.

I don't want to turn this into the "I hate sports" holy warriors camp, but ESPN, ESPN2, CBS College Sports, Speed, TBS, TNT, FX which are the top rated sports channels are all in HD. Any sport with NATIONAL interest will be on a broadcast network or on one of these channels. Most RSNs are in HD for the sporting event on Dish. So the CASUAL sports fan (which is most people who call themselves sports fans) can see just about any game or event in HD if they wish.
Nationally the national sports channels are more popular than any one RSN. I would argue that within a local market their local RSN(s) is more popular than a national sports channel. This is where Direct also has the advantage. Dish only carries local RSNs as part time channels of which they can only have so many turned on at one time. This leads to PIPs and blackouts at a scale much larger than any other provider.


The pricing for the season packages is the same on Dish and DirecTV. However the unseen part is that there is a flat minimum that the provider pays the league for the honor of carrying the league package plus a per subscriber fee. If the provider doesn't get enough subscribers to cover the minimum flat fee, the money has to come from somewhere. That somewhere is regular subscribers who are uninterested in or unable to pay for these exorbitantly priced packages.
But basic package prices of comparable packages are not much different between the two providers and Direct can actually be a cheaper alternative once subs start adding additional programming and equipment. I don't see how non sports subs are really supporting those packages with extra costs.

Also keep in mind that Direct has pretty much the entire restaurant, bar, club, and gym market to themselves. The fees they pay are based on seating and/or occupancy, and Direct makes a lot of money off of them. These market is sealed because of the sports packages.


The crime is that the channel most people are interested in is being held hostage with the ransom of the provider rolling the dice and hoping they get enough subscribers to pay the bill for a package the provider doesn't want to carry in the first place. In this case it's the MLB network.
This is a MLB issue more than a provider issue. MLB has some stupid carriage rules, including that of their own network. I would guess that this rule will eventually change and providers without EI would eventually be able to carry MLBNet...IMO


But you know, there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ON MLB NETWORK that isn't already available on ESPN's baseball tonight and other programs on channels already available. Yes, I have seen MLB network. :)

See ya
Tony
You haven't seen enough of it then. There are nationally televised games for those to see that are not on ESPN and those that do not have EI. There is programming and shows that are exclusive to MLBNet. Also, lets face it, if there is any one sport deserving of its own channel, it is baseball. ESPN and other sports channels cater more towards football and basketball with baseball just under them. It is nice for us baseball fans to be able to turn to a channel in which we know there will be baseball coverage any time any day.

Amen! I can care less about watching sports on TV and do not want to pay for it at all. Free OTA HD channels has plenty of sports....actually too much for my liking.
That is why Dish is the better option for you. I would probably pick Dish as my provider as well, if I felt the same as you.

$3 is $3! You are saying that everyone should pay for what only some want. I am not for that. I like the OPTION not to pay for stuff I don't want. Again, if I could I would get rid of the ESPN monolith and save another $5 a month!

I know this is heresy to the sports nut, but that's the way I see it. And I am an NFL season ticket holder. So I am a sports fan. I just spend my money on actually going to the game!

[edit]I want to make it clear, I am not saying one is better than the other. I am merely stating that what is "cheap" to one person is known as being "frugal" to others.

See ya
Tony
For me Direct is actually cheaper than Dish for my setup. So, his point still stands.

Wow. All I can think of after reading that is back to Billy Madison. We are all now dumber for hearing what you said and may God have mercy on your soul.
WTF are the points of these rants?

Tony, Dish may have grat basic sports channels but they are not in HD! People want to get thier sports on thier terms. Not on Charlies. There are 20 million plus sports fans out there. Directv has them all. There are alot more of sports fans than movie fans. Also, the pricing is not too far off from what I was paying for dish. Also, the pricing of tickets such as the MLB Extra innings is the same accrost the board no matter what provider has it. While there are that small amount that doesnt like sports, the amount of sporting fans is alot greater than non sports fans. I continue to see Dish trickleing subs untill they fix this. I havent seen any postive numbers coming out of camp charlie. If they have some this quarter, I would chalk it up to the DTV transition.

Could one not say that you are some what biased. If I remember reading in your previous posts, you used to be an E* fanboy until Dish laid you off, now you are a D* fan boy?

Sounds like the OP has found the provider that offers EI and MLB network, thus has moved on. It sounds like its a fit for you, may not be for others though, as for some the current sports offerings on Dish I think Dish can provide the sports fix for some, not all but for some. I consider myself a sports fan and the current offering I have no problem with. Let us know down the road how it works out for you!

I'm happy you are getting the one channel you like. Sorry it took you so long to realize that Dish has great basic sports channels, but doesn't spring for ultra-specialized channels when the price tag is too high.

I am happy I am not paying extra for sports fans to watch channels I couldn't care less about. If I had a choice I would love to lose ALL the sports channels INCLUDING the ESPN monolith which is inflating the monthly subscription!

See ya
Tony

Ditto.

I bet 90% of sports fans want only national games in HD from ESPN, ESPN2, TNT, TBS, and the networks, plus their local games in HD from their RSNs. Dish offers this. In fact, I think it would be a huge coup for them to offer RSNs on spotbeam. YOUR RSN in 24-hour HD is plenty for most.

Let DirecTV blow bandwidth broadcasting every game (twice for 2 teams' RSNs) to everyone in the US.

Ditto.

I bet 90% of sports fans want only national games in HD from ESPN, ESPN2, TNT, TBS, and the networks, plus their local games in HD from their RSNs. Dish offers this. In fact, I think it would be a huge coup for them to offer RSNs on spotbeam. YOUR RSN in 24-hour HD is plenty for most.

Let DirecTV blow bandwidth broadcasting every game (twice for 2 teams' RSNs) to everyone in the US.

That is what I want, although I would like any other national sports HD channels (I'm looking at you, ESPNU!). Other than that, I am satisfied with my sports on Dish.

That is what I want, although I would like any other national sports HD channels (I'm looking at you, ESPNU!). Other than that, I am satisfied with my sports on Dish.

Yup, me too. And while I'd like ESPNU, until the games I watch (Missouri Valley Conference basketball) are actually done in HD, its all pretty irrelevant. :)

Yup, me too. And while I'd like ESPNU, until the games I watch (Missouri Valley Conference basketball) are actually done in HD, its all pretty irrelevant. :)
Unfortunately, I am a Turbo customer, so I have no shot at the channel until it is in hd; although, more than likely, I don't have a shot at getting it anyways...

I've sent numerous emails to Cheap Charlie at ceo@wehatesportsfans.com or whatever his stupid email address is to request that Dish Network immediately add the MLB NETWORK, but to no avail. You requested that they immediately add a channel ? Why not try the same thing with DirecTV or your cable provider and let us know how that works. I suspect it will work exactly like it did with Dish.

I don't know why most people assume that Dish is cheaper then D*.
I switched to D* because in my case (everything pack, 2 HD DVRs) D* is actually cheaper then Dish after you add all fees.:D

If I didn't have sports, and especially MLBEI for my WIFE! she would have a cow. I have Direct for baseball and use it only for that. I suspend the account the day the regular season ends and don't start it again until the next season begins. I am sad that Dish doesn't have it but I do agree sports should not be shoved down the throats of those who could care less. Dish provides enough other sports to satisfy her and me so it isn't an issue.

I have been with Dish since 2000. I love baseball, as well as college football and basketball. I won't switch to Direct for the same reasons I won't pay MLB.TV. Too expensive. I have better things to do with my money. I get plenty of baseball on Dish, via ESPN, TBS, Fox, FSN, Sports South, WPIX, WWOR, and the multi-sports pack. With that I can see the conclusion of many games daily.
I have a life. I don't need to pay north of $100 a year to see a few more games. I realize it is important to some and for those who want it, Direct TV awaits. Don't whine about Dish. Make the switch and leave us out of it.

Could one not say that you are some what biased. If I remember reading in your previous posts, you used to be an E* fanboy until Dish laid you off, now you are a D* fan boy?


Not at all... The reason why I seem like a D* fan boy is because dish needs to be where directv is at. Its that simple! I was always a dish fan boy and still am, but the fact of the matter is dish has always worked to be the number one satellite provider, but has never achieved this goal. I see where the company is going wrong and what they could do to correct it.. The company is doing the opposite of what I'm saying and thus is loosing subscribers left and right. Look at the numbers for the last three quarters, They have not had any subscriber growth where as Directv and every other competitor has. I am expecting to see some growth this quarter due to the digital TV transition, and of chorse everyone will say that there back, when reality will be different, as the market trending for the past 3 quarters speaks volumes about where the company is going. I would rather see dish open up to HD rsn's and the sporting packages. This would allow them to go after the 20 million directv subs. When comparing E* to D* the difference is night and day especially in the numbers and subscriber growth.

Also, Charlie has publicly stated that he wants dish to be a world class company. That was a few months ago. I haven't seen anything world class come from dish other than dvr's. There has really been no changes. You can have a great DVR but if you don't have the programming to support it, then that dvr is worthless. People often look too far into things when things like this on the surface can be worth much more. Its not rocket science to see how the ship is sinking, The question is, is can the ship be repaired in time. If I could repair it for Charlie, I would! But I cant do anything until Charlie lets me fix it..

too bad so sad, im sure you wont be missed!

Sounds like the same philosophy E* uses...and we wonder why they continue to lose subs in mass.

I'm happy. Dish keeps coming out with new promos that lower my bill and they have the Travel Channel HD.

Everyone has the 9 - 10 channels that they care about. Just find the provider that fits your needs.

I'm (sorta) sad to announce that Dish Network has lost yet another customer.

I originally signed up with DishNetwork just over ten years ago (June 1999), but now just cannot in good faith stay a subscriber with Cheap Charlie and his Jim De-Castrated minions.

Dish Network just doesn't give a CRAP about sport's fans...especially Major League Baseball fans like myself.

I used to be a MLB-EI subscriber....until Cheap Charlie Ergen made a corporate decision to not buy into the deal that MLB offered them several years ago. So...MLB-EI subscribers @ Dish Network were just screwed thanks to his corporate mishandling and overal cheapness.

I stayed with Dish Network at that time because I do feel that they have...or at least DID have at the time....better HD channel choices and a better HD-DVR. I will miss my VIP DVR...but I won't miss Dish Network and their corporate fools.

The last straw for me staying with Dish Network was in their utter failure to not show the MLB NETWORK...which can into existance as a channel on Jan. 1, 2009.

I've sent numerous emails to Cheap Charlie at ceo@wehatesportsfans.com or whatever his stupid email address is to request that Dish Network immediately add the MLB NETWORK, but to no avail.

I've also called Dish Network CSR's numerous times to request that MLB NETWORK be added to their line-up, but have to EXPLAIN IN FRIGGIN' DETAIL TO THESE IDIOTS EACH TIME THAT THE "MLB NETWORK" IS NOT MLB-EI.

Those CSR SOB's NEVER EVER know what I'm talking about when I mention the "MLB NETWORK"...probably because Cheap Charlie has no problem sending the CSR jobs to India and other places where simple ENGLISH is a SECOND or even THIRD language.

I'm sick of dealing with continual language barriers when dealing with CSR's from a supposed "American" company like Dish Network.

So...tomorrow I have an AM appointment scheduled with Direct TV to set me up with their service and HD-DVR. And I've already called to cancel my Dish Network account and am awaiting on the boxes from UPS to ship my DN equipment back to them in.

Dish Network really really really TRIED to get me to stay (I'm sure they HATE to lose customers like me who subscribed to their EVERYTHING pack), but the CSR annoyed me even more when I tried to explain that I am a BASEBALL fan who has been crapped on for several years by Dish Network and their ultimate refusal to not show the MLB NETWORK on their system drove me to their competitor.

Even the stupid-clueless CSR who is supposed to try to keep me as a Dish Network customer by offering me lots of things to stay did not have a CLUE what the MLB NETWORK is!

I won't be posting anything on the Dish Network forum anymore. If you want to find me, look for me in the Direct TV forums.

Direct TV: They don't take a steamin' crap on Baseball Fans like they "other guy" does!

R.I.P. Dish Network Customer (1999-2009)

Actually, it is not "cheapness" in the case of MLB or even NFL because if Charley had paid what MLB wanted--additional channel and all--Dish Network would have been out of business, as in bankrupt. Dish just doesn't have the deep pockets of his competitors. Just plain economic reality for Dish. But that is fine with the rest of us who like it that way. Please move on to a provider who has the services you want. That is called free market competition. Let it work for you.

:rant:

...as the market trending for the past 3 quarters speaks volumes about where the company is going.Make that 5 consecutive quarters of subscriber losses.

I guess all I can say is don't let the door kick you in the butt on the way out... :)


And remember the grass is always greener....Normally I would agree with you, but after several years of frustration this 10-year customer has simply had enough and blew a gasket. Although we would all like to see the adios threads be somewhat constructive...well, sometimes you just need to vent and I am willing to give our long-time members/long-time E* customer the benefit of the doubt. Unfortunately, we continue to witness long-time E* customers heading to D*, FiOS, U-Verse, and even the Cable Triple Play. :confused:

Case in point: while I was a happy E* customer (best HD, best HD DVR, value leader) for several years, I grew increasingly critical of their HD-Lite practices, prices increases far beyond those of the Cable Pig, nickle & dime fees (multiple DVR to name just one), channels being pulled off the air without noticed all under the guise of saving the customers money, horrible outsourced customer services, confusing packages and lackluster promotions, and the worst marketing department of any pay TV provider. The lack of sports didn't bother me when E* was a value leader, but dollar for dollar E* is getting their teeth kicked-in now that they have nothing to differentiate themselves from their competitors.

Additionally, there were dozens of constructive threads where member voiced their concerns and requested E* address some of their problems. In fact, last year Mr. Ergen publicly acknowledged that he lost touch with daily operations and vowed to right the ship. However, here is is more than a year later and we're still seeing long-time customer defecting as Dish Network is expecting to post yet another quarter (6th straight?) of defecting customers. Dish Network just doesn't get it. While a few of us geeks love the Sling Loaded 922, they are doing little to keep long-time customers from jumping ship...and the 200+ million they've already paid Tivo, the possibility of having their DVRs disabled (media coverage) doesn't help matters. If this were a Ted Nugent bow hunting adventure, DirecTV would be "whack 'em and stack 'em" while Dish Network would be pulling entrails - their own!

Members I say vent away...Dish Network needs to fix today...

MLB EI has been gone from DISH for several years. MLB network was launched 6 mo ago but now, today, it's the last straw?

You sir have a quick temper, better simmer down.!sadroll

Not at all... The reason why I seem like a D* fan boy is because dish needs to be where directv is at. Its that simple! I was always a dish fan boy and still am, but the fact of the matter is dish has always worked to be the number one satellite provider, but has never achieved this goal. I see where the company is going wrong and what they could do to correct it.. The company is doing the opposite of what I'm saying and thus is loosing subscribers left and right. Look at the numbers for the last three quarters, They have not had any subscriber growth where as Directv and every other competitor has. I am expecting to see some growth this quarter due to the digital TV transition, and of chorse everyone will say that there back, when reality will be different, as the market trending for the past 3 quarters speaks volumes about where the company is going. I would rather see dish open up to HD rsn's and the sporting packages. This would allow them to go after the 20 million directv subs. When comparing E* to D* the difference is night and day especially in the numbers and subscriber growth.

Also, Charlie has publicly stated that he wants dish to be a world class company. That was a few months ago. I haven't seen anything world class come from dish other than dvr's. There has really been no changes. You can have a great DVR but if you don't have the programming to support it, then that dvr is worthless. People often look too far into things when things like this on the surface can be worth much more. Its not rocket science to see how the ship is sinking, The question is, is can the ship be repaired in time. If I could repair it for Charlie, I would! But I cant do anything until Charlie lets me fix it..

I retract my statement, and I apologize for calling you a D* fan boy. You do make some valid points and I apologize.
I do not however, think that sports and only sports will help Dish gain numbers, I work for the government but was trained as a marketer, so I can see that Dish is in great need of some good marketing, they actually have a good product, they just need to get the word out.

I'm happy. Dish keeps coming out with new promos that lower my bill and they have the Travel Channel HD.

Everyone has the 9 - 10 channels that they care about. Just find the provider that fits your needs.
Exactly.

I retract my statement, and I apologize for calling you a D* fan boy. You do make some valid points and I apologize.
I do not however, think that sports and only sports will help Dish gain numbers, I work for the government but was trained as a marketer, so I can see that Dish is in great need of some good marketing, they actually have a good product, they just need to get the word out.


Its not problem :) I didnt take it like that! I think sports is a good start. Charlie has made some promises that he hasnt kept. (AGAIN) After adding sports, I would look in the way of rebranding dish and remarketing (heavely) It takes money to make money. I have ideas on how to rebrand and remarket but I dont work for dish :) . Dish has to realize in about 75 percent of markets they have competiton from 3 or more providers. IE: Directv, Cable, ATT/Fios. All three of those have great marketing departments especally D* and ATT. Also they have to sign up Mainstream channels that people want. While WFN was great for a niche group, there are others who dont like it. If we can cater to this Niche group why not cater to the group who loves sports! There are more subs there. It seems like dish wants to be picky and choosie about who and what kind of niche they cater too. While this may work for internationals, in the realworld usa, its not working.

The first channel I would launch as head of Dish would be Algazeera HD english. People would want to see that train wreck :D

OP let me know when E* starts selling D* DVRs cause that the only way you will every see a working DVR. :eek:

OP let me know when E* starts selling D* DVRs cause that the only way you will every see a working DVR. :eek:
Really? My DVR, and everyone I know, have worked well for a few year now.

...There are 20 million plus sports fans out there. Directv has them all...

Really? "All" of them!?! :rolleyes:

OP let me know when E* starts selling D* DVRs cause that the only way you will every see a working DVR. :eek:

Gee, I have four of them and they all work and have a bunch of features that E* DVR's don't have.

Gee, I have four of them and they all work and have a bunch of features that E* DVR's don't have.
The most common thing I see on this and other sites when it comes to DVRs, is the criticism of Direct DVRs by Dish subs who have never used one (Yes...I realize that some have used them). They seem to criticize them more than Direct subs.

Its not problem :) I didnt take it like that! I think sports is a good start. Charlie has made some promises that he hasnt kept. (AGAIN) After adding sports, I would look in the way of rebranding dish and remarketing (heavely) It takes money to make money. I have ideas on how to rebrand and remarket but I dont work for dish :) . Dish has to realize in about 75 percent of markets they have competiton from 3 or more providers. IE: Directv, Cable, ATT/Fios. All three of those have great marketing departments especally D* and ATT. Also they have to sign up Mainstream channels that people want. While WFN was great for a niche group, there are others who dont like it. If we can cater to this Niche group why not cater to the group who loves sports! There are more subs there. It seems like dish wants to be picky and choosie about who and what kind of niche they cater too. While this may work for internationals, in the realworld usa, its not working.

The first channel I would launch as head of Dish would be Algazeera HD english. People would want to see that train wreck :D


I am thinking that sports cost more than Charlie wants to spend. I have been with both providers two times :) However, I just went back to Charlie's crap for movies, haha, I really like movies in HD :) But, seriously I do like Dish's equipment better and that was a major factor in changing from DirecTV.
Anyway, I think that he is too cheap for sports, not to mention the fact that he would be in fights all the time about how much that Dish has to pay per subscriber for thus and such a sports channel.
I feel that if Dish would do some serious commericals, like DirecTV and some cable providers to then they could gain ground, they do have a lot of positives in spite of their lack of sports packages.

God can D* ever make a DVR that isn't sloooow. It's doesn't look that way cause they haven't yet!!!! Maybe next time they will get it right but I doubt it!!! :eek:
Summed up the best.

This is the biggest issue that DirecTV seems either unable or unwilling to address. Ive given up on them fixing this. If you are part of the CE program it's an endless cycle of.. "WOAH great Job fixing responsiveness issues!" to "MY DVR is slow again". This has been going on for years now... The debate is, is it the hardware or software? Either way I would not rely on them fixing it.. i'm holding out hope that maybe Tivo will show these boys how to build hardware with their new DVR in 2010.

God can D* ever make a DVR that isn't sloooow. It's doesn't look that way cause they haven't yet!!!! Maybe next time they will get it right but I doubt it!!! :eek:
Summed up the best.
Uhhh...The dude running a CE download. With it comes risks, including performance. When I was running the national release (which over 99% of subs do run), performance was not an issue. With CEs, sometimes my DVR slows down and sometimes it speeds up. Just something to keep in mind next time you find someone to quote to support your lack of knowledge of another providers DVR.

Uhhh...The dude running a CE download. With it comes risks, including performance. When I was running the national release (which over 99% of subs do run), performance was not an issue. With CEs, sometimes my DVR slows down and sometimes it speeds up. Just something to keep in mind next time you find someone to quote to support your lack of knowledge of another providers DVR.
I would say Doggerking is one of if not the biggest D* fan boy and could never say anything bad about D*.

This is the biggest issue that DirecTV seems either unable or unwilling to address. Ive given up on them fixing this. If you are part of the CE program it's an endless cycle of.. "WOAH great Job fixing responsiveness issues!" to "MY DVR is slow again". This has been going on for years now... The debate is, is it the hardware or software? Either way I would not rely on them fixing it.. i'm holding out hope that maybe Tivo will show these boys how to build hardware with their new DVR in 2010.

I would say Doggerking is one of if not the biggest D* fan boy and could never say anything bad about D*.
Really? Read through my posting history and you will see I have been critical plenty of times. And have praised Dish for many things as well. Discussing a point about an issue for which I think someone is wrong and knows nothing about the issue does not make me a fanboy. It simply makes me someone who is willing to point out why you are wrong.

I will acknowledge that Dish's DVRs are faster, but that does not mean that Directs DVRs are as bad as you make them sound.

Again, he is talking about the CEs.

Instead of turning this into a thread about me, answer this simple question. Have you used a Direct DVR?

Really? Read through my posting history and you will see I have been critical plenty of times.

Again, he is talking about the CEs.

Instead of turning this into a thread about me, answer this simple question. Have you used a Direct DVR?
Yes and I found it to be slow. Number one reason I would not switch.
But you can't admit D* has a problem with slooow DVR's.
What don't you get about "This has been going on for years now..."......

God can D* ever make a DVR that isn't sloooow. It's doesn't look that way cause they haven't yet!!!! Maybe next time they will get it right but I doubt it!!! :eek:
Summed up the best.

Yes, they are slow compared to E* DVR. So how many minutes do they take away from your viewing time every day? I'd bet that it's no more then a couple minutes per day at the most. But I bet I can view a video stored on my PC via my HR2X's quicker then you can on your E* DVR's;)

Yes and I found it to be slow. Number one reason I would not switch.
But you can't admit D* has a problem with slooow DVR's.
For me, like I stated in my first post, it is not slow. I am sure others do have slow DVRs. Those doing CEs and those with other models maybe a lot slower than mine. If you look through my posting history you will see that I have acknowledge that Dish's DVRs are faster on the average than Direct's. That does not mean they are as bad as you are making them sound. Rad too had to point out the error of your post.

Yes and I found it to be slow. Number one reason I would not switch.
But you can't admit D* has a problem with slooow DVR's.
What don't you get about "This has been going on for years now..."......
I am not going to argue with you, I am just going to point out the entire part of the quote to show that he was referring to the CE. "If you are part of the CE program it's an endless cycle of.. "WOAH great Job fixing responsiveness issues!" to "MY DVR is slow again". This has been going on for years now...". I will let others decide for themselves, but too me the context of the part about going on for years was about the CE. At least that is the way I read it.

Yes, they are slow compared to E* DVR. So how many minutes do they take away from your viewing time every day? I'd bet that it's no more then a couple minutes per day at the most. But I bet I can view a video stored on my PC via my HR2X's quicker then you can on your E* DVR's;)
You need some else to fix a on going problem (This has been going on for years now...) that D* will not. Thats pretty bad!!!!

Yes and I found it to be slow. Number one reason I would not switch.
But you can't admit D* has a problem with slooow DVR's.
What don't you get about "This has been going on for years now..."......

What part don't you get, about keeping the discussion civil, and not trying to start a flame war?

And enough with the bolding and the colored text. Its just ANOTHER FORM OF YELLING.

I know that I've been critical of those who make posts about leaving Dish, but I may be in the same boat as the OP within a few months.

I've been one of the biggest E* fanboys in my family and community, trying to get everyone to buy into Dish, but at this point I'm probably leaving the ranks.

There are a few simple reasons. I initially came to Dish because it was the cheapest way to get Fox Soccer Channel & GolTV. Well Charlie has taken GolTV away from me, and now, with recent price increases, FSC is no longer the deal that it once was.

Fios is coming to my home next month, and I will be able to get GolTV back, the rest of my locals in HD (without needing OTA signals), plus my local Sports Network (Philly area) since Comcast has a deal with Verizon. It is a very difficult decision for me, but at this point it's really the best decision for me.

I won't bash E*, because I've loved everything about them, but, as I said, the opportunity to get some channels back, add the internet, and get some of my value back are pushing me over to Fios. If I don't enjoy the experience, then my #1 choice will be to return to Dish.

You need some else to fix a on going problem (This has been going on for years now...) that D* will not. Thats pretty bad!!!!

Maybe it's something that can't be fixed, it's as fast as the box can do? Or maybe they have it on their list of things to work on but management has decided that they want to get all the other features they've been working on in the box before tackling that issue? Could be that they look at their numbers and see they're still gaining customers and folks keep adding DVR services so to the majority of folks it's not that big a problem.

It is what you don't get that is the issue. His post about about CEs. For years slowness in the CEs has been an issue off and on. "This has been going on for years now" is in reference to the CEs. Notice the part you left out, "If you are part of the CE program it's an endless cycle of.. "WOAH great Job fixing responsiveness issues!" to "MY DVR is slow again". This has been going on for years now..."
So if it's going on again and again for years doesn't that mean D* just will not or can not fix it for the masses.
Hopefully when you buy a new DVR in 2010, they may fix it. :eek:
Good luck.

So if it's going on again and again for years doesn't that mean D* just willn't or cann't fix it for the masses.
Hopefully when you buy a new DVR in 2010, they may fix it. :eek:
Good luck.
Those that do not download the CEs (which is like 99% of the subs), do not have this problem. Yes, there DVRs are probably slower than Dish's, but they are not as bad as the ongoing CE issues.

With the CEs, subs are testing out new features, with the new features often comes other problems. This is why they test them with CEs before going national. Often these problems are slowness. They continue to put out new CEs with the new features and attempt to fix the issues with the previous CE. Sometimes the issues are worse (it is this he was referring to). When the problems are fixed, then they send out the national release. The national release usually does not have a response issue. It is this release that 99% of the subs get. For most people, really slow response is not an issue (although it is slower than the VIPs)

we had dish for nearly 10 years also & just switched to direct in january, mostly for the yes network, mlb network & extra innings. were big yankee fans & we only got to see games on espn or wwor, because even when dish had mlbei, they refused to offer yes, so the only time you could see yankee games was with the opposing teams announcers.
we were not sure what to expect with directv because alot of ppl on these forums criticize direct's dvrs & pricing, but we think that the hd dvr is good & they have one great feature we use frequently -- programming it from remote locations. we didnt have this function @ the time with dish but they may have added it since?
as far as pricing, it seems to me that direct is very similar to dish for the premier package, so i dont think its a valid argument that charlie is saving subscribers $, though i admit that direct has a bigger base of customers to spread the cost, if it is true that all subscribers are subsidizing sports packages.
so after 6 months, we dont miss dish much - another regular occurance @ dish, the pulling of channels as a negotiation weapon with networks, hasnt happened yet while we have had direct. also dish tends to be a late adopter of new channels, if they carry them @ all.
the csr issue is not unique to dish there are many companys like verizon that use foreign call centers, and theres no guarantee that an american csr will be any more helpful than one from india.



I'm (sorta) sad to announce that Dish Network has lost yet another customer.

I originally signed up with DishNetwork just over ten years ago (June 1999), but now just cannot in good faith stay a subscriber with Cheap Charlie and his Jim De-Castrated minions.

Dish Network just doesn't give a CRAP about sport's fans...especially Major League Baseball fans like myself.

I used to be a MLB-EI subscriber....until Cheap Charlie Ergen made a corporate decision to not buy into the deal that MLB offered them several years ago. So...MLB-EI subscribers @ Dish Network were just screwed thanks to his corporate mishandling and overal cheapness.

I stayed with Dish Network at that time because I do feel that they have...or at least DID have at the time....better HD channel choices and a better HD-DVR. I will miss my VIP DVR...but I won't miss Dish Network and their corporate fools.

The last straw for me staying with Dish Network was in their utter failure to not show the MLB NETWORK...which can into existance as a channel on Jan. 1, 2009.

I've sent numerous emails to Cheap Charlie at ceo@wehatesportsfans.com or whatever his stupid email address is to request that Dish Network immediately add the MLB NETWORK, but to no avail.

I've also called Dish Network CSR's numerous times to request that MLB NETWORK be added to their line-up, but have to EXPLAIN IN FRIGGIN' DETAIL TO THESE IDIOTS EACH TIME THAT THE "MLB NETWORK" IS NOT MLB-EI.

Those CSR SOB's NEVER EVER know what I'm talking about when I mention the "MLB NETWORK"...probably because Cheap Charlie has no problem sending the CSR jobs to India and other places where simple ENGLISH is a SECOND or even THIRD language.

I'm sick of dealing with continual language barriers when dealing with CSR's from a supposed "American" company like Dish Network.

So...tomorrow I have an AM appointment scheduled with Direct TV to set me up with their service and HD-DVR. And I've already called to cancel my Dish Network account and am awaiting on the boxes from UPS to ship my DN equipment back to them in.

Dish Network really really really TRIED to get me to stay (I'm sure they HATE to lose customers like me who subscribed to their EVERYTHING pack), but the CSR annoyed me even more when I tried to explain that I am a BASEBALL fan who has been crapped on for several years by Dish Network and their ultimate refusal to not show the MLB NETWORK on their system drove me to their competitor.

Even the stupid-clueless CSR who is supposed to try to keep me as a Dish Network customer by offering me lots of things to stay did not have a CLUE what the MLB NETWORK is!

I won't be posting anything on the Dish Network forum anymore. If you want to find me, look for me in the Direct TV forums.

Direct TV: They don't take a steamin' crap on Baseball Fans like they "other guy" does!

R.I.P. Dish Network Customer (1999-2009)

I am happy I am not paying extra for sports fans to watch channels I couldn't care less about.
Tony

Me too.

I am happy I am not paying extra for sports fans to watch channels I couldn't care less about.

See ya
Tony
Me 3.

Directv is much higer on basic programming packs. This is a FACT. Now when you add the extra dvr fees , no phone line fee, lease/additional receiver fees and the pay per view prices, DISH is higher. There are ways around some of the fees, dvr advantage and ONE dvr, or AEP with no dvr fees , keep your phone or ethernet line hooked up.

I have had both DISH and DIRECTV hd dvrs( 722k vs HR 21) I prefer DISH for its' cutting edge technology and receivers. The hr 21 was slow , and I couldn't depend on it to record all that I wanted it to. I couldn't even get it to turn on most days during the first month without a reboot. Now that being said I have suffered through years of DISH problems going back to 1999 with the original dishplayer /web tv receivers. DISH hit a home run with the VIP series of dvrs. I could never see going to any other company just because of these dvrs. Where else can I watch 2 different shows on 2 different tvs in 2 different rooms at the same time? How about record 2 sat and 2 ota channels at the same time? The external hard drive feature is a blessing for many of us power recorders . I have 3 ex drives filled up and use the 4th with my 211k to make it a dvr for my kid and NO DVR FEE! I can record 4 things, transfer a movie to my external hard drive ,or watch it from my ext. drive, also download videos from the internet at the same time. It truly is a marvelous machine.

I like the focus on premium movies with DISH since I am a movie fan and care nothing about sports. With DIRECTV you are paying extra in all your programming packs to pay for nfl Sunday ticket. Why would I want to pay more for something I don't watch anyway? There are many ways that DISH could right the ship in the way it does business. I have posted them before and I will say once more these suggestions.

1. SIMPLIFY your programming packs & eliminate excess made up fees. This causes many subs to choose the competition because they don't do this.

a) NO more phone fees . This just pisses people off as it is totally made up , just because we can fee. Directv doesn't charge it.

b) One dvr fee per house-covered by the dvr advantage fee -NO MORE dvr fee PER dvr Receiver. This per dvr receiver fee discourages many subs from having more than one dvr on their account. Also hurts sales for Echostar that makes them.

c) Same lease fee for sd as hd receivers. Could $2.00 make all that much difference ? THis extra $2.00 for hd receivers discourages subs from going hd, which I would think that DISH would want so they could go all mpeg 4 anyway .

2. MOVE all csrs to America and have ONLY people who speak English as their first language. This language barrier does a lot of harm to already angry customers who call about a problem.

3. Hire and retain a good advertising firm that can show what makes you different from the competition. ( I see this being done right now in their current advertising campaign against DIRECTV- Must of listened on this one.)

4. Stop with all the lawsuits . Settle and license the Tivo software already and make the problems go away, Or buy Tivo and you own all of the patents anyway.

5. Alright add more sports if you can for the sports people. They do like to spend money to watch these events , so you might as well be the company they pay it to.

I am happy I am not paying extra for sports fans to watch channels I couldn't care less about. If I had a choice I would love to lose ALL the sports channels INCLUDING the ESPN monolith which is inflating the monthly subscription!

See ya
Tony
Me 4.

Well, actually I am happy I am paying less for my basic setup than I would with Dish AND still able to get EI.

MikeD
How about six and this goes for both company's......
Give your CSRS free satellite service so they have a clue about what they are talking about.:eek:

I prefer DISH for its' cutting edge technology and receivers.

Can you post why you feel Dish receivers are cutting edge technology? Yes, they do somethings that DirecTV receivers don't but then again DirecTV receivers had some features before Dish did or still doesn't have. Yes, some of Dish's stuff is cutting edge but you make it sound like Direct's never is, I think the following was cutting edge on DirecTV's part:

- Advanced program guide for ATSC channels, no subscription to locals necessary to get it. This has been available since their 1st HD receivers with ATSC tuners came out close to 9 years ago.
- Name Based DVR recording.
- DirecTV on Demand, IIRC they had it first and the library is still larger and most non-fee vs. Dish.
- 1080p HD content, I'll make this sort of a tie, Dish announced it first, but many customers couldn't view it until a number of software changes were made. DirecTV didn't roll out until most problems were resolved in the CE process. Currently D* pushes about 8 to 1080p PPV's out to their harddrive partition via DBS, what's Dish's current status?
- Remote DVR scheduling, had it 1st and doesn't require an internet connection to work and works with most of their DVR's. ALso published an IPhone application for accessing this function.
- Media Share, ability to view/listen to content on network attached PC's.
- ScoreGuide, get scores for various sports games when on a 'sports' channel.
- Local on the 8's weather on the SD version of The Weather Channel, including providing local weather warning alerts.
- DirecTV2PC client for viewing content recorded on HR2X/R22 DVR's.
- Multi Room Viewing via network attached (and coax attached demo'ed). Yea, it's in CE testing but folks know it's coming.

R.I.P. Dish Network Customer (1999-2009)

Well, Rest in peace!

Yup, me too. And while I'd like ESPNU, until the games I watch (Missouri Valley Conference basketball) are actually done in HD, its all pretty irrelevant. :)
Missouri Valley? GO MSU Bears!!!:):D

Can't agree with this being moved into the war zone.

The Dish Network -VS- DirecTV WAR ZONE!

"DirecTV or Dish Network, which one is the best? Here is the place where you can waive your pom poms and argue why you think your satellite company is better"

Can you post why you feel Dish receivers are cutting edge technology? Yes, they do somethings that DirecTV receivers don't but then again DirecTV receivers had some features before Dish did or still doesn't have. Yes, some of Dish's stuff is cutting edge but you make it sound like Direct's never is, I think the following was cutting edge on DirecTV's part:

- Advanced program guide for ATSC channels, no subscription to locals necessary to get it. This has been available since their 1st HD receivers with ATSC tuners came out close to 9 years ago.
- Name Based DVR recording.
- DirecTV on Demand, IIRC they had it first and the library is still larger and most non-fee vs. Dish.
- 1080p HD content, I'll make this sort of a tie, Dish announced it first, but many customers couldn't view it until a number of software changes were made. DirecTV didn't roll out until most problems were resolved in the CE process. Currently D* pushes about 8 to 1080p PPV's out to their harddrive partition via DBS, what's Dish's current status?
- Remote DVR scheduling, had it 1st and doesn't require an internet connection to work and works with most of their DVR's. ALso published an IPhone application for accessing this function.
- Media Share, ability to view/listen to content on network attached PC's.
- ScoreGuide, get scores for various sports games when on a 'sports' channel.
- Local on the 8's weather on the SD version of The Weather Channel, including providing local weather warning alerts.
- DirecTV2PC client for viewing content recorded on HR2X/R22 DVR's.
- Multi Room Viewing via network attached (and coax attached demo'ed). Yea, it's in CE testing but folks know it's coming.


Yea all DirecTV needs is 2 90 minute live buffers What's that? It's being advertised in the July issue of DirecTV's Access Magazine? Well I be darned.:D

I also like DirecTV's HDDVR+ one button recording.;)

I know that I've been critical of those who make posts about leaving Dish, but I may be in the same boat as the OP within a few months.

I've been one of the biggest E* fanboys in my family and community, trying to get everyone to buy into Dish, but at this point I'm probably leaving the ranks.

There are a few simple reasons. I initially came to Dish because it was the cheapest way to get Fox Soccer Channel & GolTV. Well Charlie has taken GolTV away from me, and now, with recent price increases, FSC is no longer the deal that it once was.

Fios is coming to my home next month, and I will be able to get GolTV back, the rest of my locals in HD (without needing OTA signals), plus my local Sports Network (Philly area) since Comcast has a deal with Verizon. It is a very difficult decision for me, but at this point it's really the best decision for me.

I won't bash E*, because I've loved everything about them, but, as I said, the opportunity to get some channels back, add the internet, and get some of my value back are pushing me over to Fios. If I don't enjoy the experience, then my #1 choice will be to return to Dish.Thanks for posting Weezknight. For the most part we really enjoyed our Dish Network service - the 622 was simply top-notch. However, our three 622s will continue to sit on the closet floor because Dish Network's offerings do not compare to the quality, value and overall experiences we've had with our FiOS/TivoHD combo. It's really sad, because I used to associate the words quality and value with E*. Also, while I am not a big soccer fan...I cannot beleive GolTV is still off the air. :(

Missouri Valley? GO MSU Bears!!!:):D

Go Redbirds. ISU-Go. :D

Yea all DirecTV needs is 2 90 minute live buffers What's that? It's being advertised in the July issue of DirecTV's Access Magazine? Well I be darned.:D

I also like DirecTV's HDDVR+ one button recording.;)
They have it and I am currently using it. If you are a Direct sub, then you can have it too if you download the CE on Friday or Saturday night.

man this thread got ugly in a hurry :devil:.

Give your CSRS free satellite service so they have a clue about what they are talking about.:eek:

little hard to get Dish in India ;)

little hard to get Dish in India ;)
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little hard to get Dish in India ;)


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little hard to get Dish in India ;)
Have you called lately. I have 3 times in the last few months and every time I got a call center in the US. Which I was very surprised.
Other things Dish has:

- Remote DVR scheduling, Internet scheduling even with yopur iphone.
- ESPN interragtive, get instant sports scores for any game.
- Instant weather, from any city in the USA
- Multi Room Viewing threw coax, no network wiring needed or additional receiver need.
- Slingplayer, Now watch your favorite shows anywhere including your iphone.
- Supports 2 independent viewing TV's - a remote for each TV.
- The most HD channels out side of over priced sports packages.
- HD DVRs that should be the industry standard.
- Will D* every speed up there DVR's maybe in 2010 when you buy a new one.:eek:

Have you called lately. I have 3 times in the last few months and every time I got a call center in the US. Which I was very surprised.
Other things Dish has:



Yep same here. Programming, Tech support, billing. All USA.

Have you called lately. I have 3 times in the last few months and every time I got a call center in the US. Which I was very surprised.
Other things Dish has:

- Remote DVR scheduling, Internet scheduling even with yopur iphone.
- ESPN interragtive, get instant sports scores for any game.
- Instant weather, from any city in the USA
- Multi Room Viewing threw coax, no network wiring needed or additional receiver need.
- Slingplayer, Now watch your favorite shows anywhere including your iphone.
- Supports 2 independent viewing TV's - a remote for each TV.
- The most HD channels out side of over priced sports packages.
- HD DVRs that should be the industry standard.
- Will D* every speed up there DVR's maybe in 2010 when you buy a new one.:eek:

Too bad they will be shutting them off. Stolen from TiVo.

Too bad they will be shutting them off. Stolen from TiVo.
How many years have we been hearing that. Probably about the same amount of time you guys have been saying D* will fix there DVR's!!!! :eek: Better luck next time guys.

How many years have we been hearing that. Probably about the same amount of time you guys have been saying D* will fix there DVR's!!!! :eek: Better luck next time guys.
:D:D

How many years have we been hearing that. Probably about the same amount of time you guys have been saying D* will fix there DVR's!!!! :eek: Better luck next time guys.:D:D good one!:up

Have you called lately. I have 3 times in the last few months and every time I got a call center in the US. Which I was very surprised.
Other things Dish has:

- Remote DVR scheduling, Internet scheduling even with yopur iphone.
So does Direct


- ESPN interragtive, get instant sports scores for any game. So does Direct and they do so on every single sports channel, including ALL RSNs


- Instant weather, from any city in the USA Don't know about this one


- Multi Room Viewing threw coax, no network wiring needed or additional receiver need. So does Direct, you just have to watch the same program as in the other room.
Directs MRV is much better. Being able to network multiple DVRs to watch recorded programming in any room from any DVR is much better than being limited to only one DVR.


- Slingplayer, Now watch your favorite shows anywhere including your iphone.You can do the same with any provider, it is just not built into the DVR like Dish. I do the same with my Direct reciever


- Supports 2 independent viewing TV's - a remote for each TV.Direct does not do this


- The most HD channels out side of over priced sports packages.True


- HD DVRs that should be the industry standard.Perhaps


- Will D* every speed up there DVR's maybe in 2010 when you buy a new one.:eek:Mine has been pretty fast for since I got it 3 years ago.

How many of these interactive Direct features does Dish have?


Game Mix channels on LP, CI, EI, ST, MM, ex. 8 channels shown on each. Arrow keys allow for scrolling and colored keys bring up features
Score Guide on all sports channels using the red button. (Allows you to access current scores of any professional game currently going on or completed)
Sports Mix of 8 different sports channels. (Use arrows to navigate)
News Mix of 8 different news channels. (Use arrows to navigate)
VOD correlated with each channel (for example TLC is 280 so TLC VOD is 1280).
The Weather Channel Local on The 8's (works only on SD channel currently)
Active key for Active Menu (Contains local weather, horoscope, top shows currently showing, ex).
On-line DVR Programming from any computer or phone (including the new iPhone Application)
DirecTV2PC (allows you to view recorded programs from your DVR on your computer)
Mediashare (allows for you DVR to view photos, play songs, and watch some video content off of your computer)
Game Search (allows you to find a game on another channel when one is blacked out in your area)
MRV to network all DVRs and other receivers to view content on any receiver from any DVR in the house (CE only now)
Caller ID to displays your caller ID on your TV and keeps a log of all calls received
Game Lounge (play several games off of your receiver using your remote control)
1080p VOD (currently over 30 movies to choose from). Can be all be downloaded to your DVR using broadband (Currently 10 movies can be downloaded directly from the satellite).

Game Mix channels[/B] on LP, CI, EI, ST, MM, ex. 8 channels shown on each. Arrow keys allow for scrolling and colored keys bring up features
Not permanent, but on selected events a mux channel may be set up.

Score Guide on all sports channels using the red button. (Allows you to access current scores of any professional game currently going on or completed)
EPSN Interactive will do this on Dish.

Sports Mix of 8 different sports channels. (Use arrows to navigate)
This is a reapeat of the first point. The answer is the same. On special events only.

News Mix of 8 different news channels. (Use arrows to navigate)
Dish used to have one of these but it was removed due to lack of use. It could come back. I liked it, but since I am not really a "newsie" I didn't use it often.

VOD correlated with each channel (for example TLC is 280 so TLC VOD is 1280).
The precious little VOD available on Dish is part of the DVR menu. Press the DVR button and you have the option to go to your recordings, "TV Entertainment" which is the VOD you are talking about, or PPV movies on VOD (already loaded on your hard drive ready to go--this depends on the size of your unit's hard drive)

The Weather Channel Local on The 8's (works only on SD channel currently)
No, not "a la cable", but when you tune into the Weather Channel (SD) you get the option to see your local weather by pressing the "select" button WITHOUT having to wait for the 8s. :D

Active key for Active Menu (Contains local weather, horoscope, top shows currently showing, ex).
This crap is available on dish deep in some menu or another. It is not a single key press. If Dish is going to waste a key on this sort of idiocy, I would rather they use it for CC on and off functionality.
On-line DVR Programming from any computer or phone (including the new iPhone Application)
Yes. It's available. It was also listed in a previous post.

DirecTV2PC (allows you to view recorded programs from your DVR on your computer)
Yes. It's called a "sling box". New Dish receivers have this. And as mentioned in a "pro DirecTV" post above, you can always add it as a separate unit.
However If you are talking about hooking up an external drive to the DVR, loading a movie to the drive and then connecting that to a computer and playing it directly from the drive, then no, Dish doesn't have that. I wish it did.

Mediashare ws for you DVR to view photos, play songs, and watch some video content off of your computer)
Not directly as far as I know, however if you load up a flash drive with the media you want from your computer and plug it in to the USB2 port on the Dish receiver, you can play MP3, view pictures. I haven't tried movies (AVI, MOV, MPG). I probably wouldn't use this anyway since I already have my computer hooked up to the TV via HDMI.
Game Search (allows you to find a game on another channel when one is blacked out in your area)
Nice feature. Possibly not the same thing, but similar. Dish has a "Search" feature that can serve the same purpose. When you go to an event on a guide or you are viewing an event, press the "search" button on the remote (the # key) the search screen will come up already filled out with that programs info. Select "Done" and it will find all the programs on any channel with that info.

MRV to network all DVRs and other receivers to view content on any receiver from any DVR in the house (CE only now)
This is a great feature I wish Dish would implement!

Caller ID to displays your caller ID on your TV and keeps a log of all calls received
Old news. Dish has had this feature for ages.

Game Lounge (play several games off of your receiver using your remote control)
Old news. Some free, many are subscriptions.

1080p VOD (currently over 30 movies to choose from). Can be all be downloaded to your DVR using broadband (Currently 10 movies can be downloaded directly from the satellite).
Yes, but on a much more limited basis.

See ya
Tony

Not permanent, but on selected events a mux channel may be set up.

EPSN Interactive will do this on Dish.

This is a reapeat of the first point. The answer is the same. On special events only.

Dish used to have one of these but it was removed due to lack of use. It could come back. I liked it, but since I am not really a "newsie" I didn't use it often.

The precious little VOD available on Dish is part of the DVR menu. Press the DVR button and you have the option to go to your recordings, "TV Entertainment" which is the VOD you are talking about, or PPV movies on VOD (already loaded on your hard drive ready to go--this depends on the size of your unit's hard drive)

No, not "a la cable", but when you tune into the Weather Channel (SD) you get the option to see your local weather by pressing the "select" button WITHOUT having to wait for the 8s. :D

This crap is available on dish deep in some menu or another. It is not a single key press. If Dish is going to waste a key on this sort of idiocy, I would rather they use it for CC on and off functionality.
Yes. It's available. It was also listed in a previous post.

Yes. It's called a "sling box". New Dish receivers have this. And as mentioned in a "pro DirecTV" post above, you can always add it as a separate unit.
However If you are talking about hooking up an external drive to the DVR, loading a movie to the drive and then connecting that to a computer and playing it directly from the drive, then no, Dish doesn't have that. I wish it did.

Not directly as far as I know, however if you load up a flash drive with the media you want from your computer and plug it in to the USB2 port on the Dish receiver, you can play MP3, view pictures. I haven't tried movies (AVI, MOV, MPG). I probably wouldn't use this anyway since I already have my computer hooked up to the TV via HDMI.
Nice feature. Possibly not the same thing, but similar. Dish has a "Search" feature that can serve the same purpose. When you go to an event on a guide or you are viewing an event, press the "search" button on the remote (the # key) the search screen will come up already filled out with that programs info. Select "Done" and it will find all the programs on any channel with that info.

This is a great feature I wish Dish would implement!

Old news. Dish has had this feature for ages.

Old news. Some free, many are subscriptions.

Yes, but on a much more limited basis.

See ya
TonyI knew about most of these. It is always good to post this info for other that may not know.

BTW, what I forgot to mention is that the score guide on DirecTV works on ALL sports channels, including RSNs, not just ESPN.

Direct features does Dish have?


On-line DVR Programming from any computer or phone (including the new iPhone Application)



Let me know how well that iPhone/Online application lets you manage conflicts.

Already have both tuners recording something and you pick up your handy iPhone and hit "schedule" on the football game you forgot to schedule. The phone says "done" and guess what? No game gets recorded.

What's the point in that?

Let me know how well that iPhone/Online application lets you manage conflicts.

Already have both tuners recording something and you pick up your handy iPhone and hit "schedule" on the football game you forgot to schedule. The phone says "done" and guess what? No game gets recorded.

What's the point in that?

But you can say it MUST record it, so it would kick it up on the prioritizer, but you do loose one of the other programs.

But try doing online scheduling with Dish if you haven't internet connected your receivers, oh yea, you can't do that, where DirecTV doesn't require interner connected STB's for remote scheduling.

Both features have their pluses and minues.

I don't see why you wouldn't have internet connected to them. Simple powerline adapter connected to your router and you're done. Someone who is tech savvy enough to be programming their DVR over the internet will most likely have a router at their home or at least the ability to do it.

DirecTV and DishNetwork should make it work both ways(internet 2 way if available, if not use 1 way satellite signal)....now that would be awesome!

I don't see why you wouldn't have internet connected to them. Simple powerline adapter connected to your router and you're done. Someone who is tech savvy enough to be programming their DVR over the internet will most likely have a router at their home or at least the ability to do it.

DirecTV and DishNetwork should make it work both ways(internet 2 way if available, if not use 1 way satellite signal)....now that would be awesome!

Don't disagree. But when you bring up D*'s MRV feature, which requires network connections (hardwire/powerline/wireless) some E* folks say it's a bad solution since it requires network connections. So it's OK to require network for remote scheduleing but not OK for a MRV solution;)

Not permanent, but on selected events a mux channel may be set up.

EPSN Interactive will do this on Dish.

This is a reapeat of the first point. The answer is the same. On special events only.

Dish used to have one of these but it was removed due to lack of use. It could come back. I liked it, but since I am not really a "newsie" I didn't use it often.

The precious little VOD available on Dish is part of the DVR menu. Press the DVR button and you have the option to go to your recordings, "TV Entertainment" which is the VOD you are talking about, or PPV movies on VOD (already loaded on your hard drive ready to go--this depends on the size of your unit's hard drive)

No, not "a la cable", but when you tune into the Weather Channel (SD) you get the option to see your local weather by pressing the "select" button WITHOUT having to wait for the 8s. :D

This crap is available on dish deep in some menu or another. It is not a single key press. If Dish is going to waste a key on this sort of idiocy, I would rather they use it for CC on and off functionality.
Yes. It's available. It was also listed in a previous post.

Yes. It's called a "sling box". New Dish receivers have this. And as mentioned in a "pro DirecTV" post above, you can always add it as a separate unit.
However If you are talking about hooking up an external drive to the DVR, loading a movie to the drive and then connecting that to a computer and playing it directly from the drive, then no, Dish doesn't have that. I wish it did.

Not directly as far as I know, however if you load up a flash drive with the media you want from your computer and plug it in to the USB2 port on the Dish receiver, you can play MP3, view pictures. I haven't tried movies (AVI, MOV, MPG). I probably wouldn't use this anyway since I already have my computer hooked up to the TV via HDMI.
Nice feature. Possibly not the same thing, but similar. Dish has a "Search" feature that can serve the same purpose. When you go to an event on a guide or you are viewing an event, press the "search" button on the remote (the # key) the search screen will come up already filled out with that programs info. Select "Done" and it will find all the programs on any channel with that info.

This is a great feature I wish Dish would implement!

Old news. Dish has had this feature for ages.

Old news. Some free, many are subscriptions.

Yes, but on a much more limited basis.

See ya
Tony Thank you, I didn't want to go through all this again.
E* has many options, and I feel most are bug free,and way more user friendly then most of the, slow response, buggy, experimental software that D* uses on their unprofected DVRs. :rolleyes:
With 50% of D* HD channels being RSN's why would anyone need a sports mix channel?

Thank you, I didn't want to go through all this again.
E* has many options, and I feel most are bug free,and way more user friendly then most of the, slow response, buggy, experimental software that D* uses on their unprofected DVRs. :rolleyes:
With 50% of D* HD channels being RSN's why would anyone need a sports mix channel?


I can tell you how DirecTV's Sports Mix channels work for me.I'm not a sports nut,but once in a while I like to catch a game so since I have Choice Extra w/DVR I don't get NBATV now(but I will next season).Anyways I can go to the Sports Mix channels and watch the game if I want.It is smaller but on a 50" screen not too bad.;)