SatelliteGuys.US DishNetwork Uplink Activity Report - 11/4/2009 5:30pm - 10 changes

Uplink Comparison Range: 11/04/2009 05:15P - 11/04/2009 05:30P

Channel Additions:
5292(46) - WVVA [MPEG4 HD] added to EchoStar8 77W TP 32 ConUS beam (NA)(Bluefield, WV-NBC (http://maps.google.com/maps?&hl=en&q=Bluefield, WV))
5294(53) - WSWP [MPEG4 HD] added to EchoStar8 77W TP 32 ConUS beam (NA)(Grandview, WV-PBS (http://maps.google.com/maps?&hl=en&q=Grandview, WV))
5291(59) - WVNS [MPEG4 HD] added to EchoStar8 77W TP 32 ConUS beam (NA)(Lewisburg, WV-CBS (http://maps.google.com/maps?&hl=en&q=Lewisburg, WV))
5290(50) - WOAY [MPEG4 HD] added to EchoStar8 77W TP 32 ConUS beam (NA)(Oak Hill, WV-ABC (http://maps.google.com/maps?&hl=en&q=Oak Hill, WV))
5293(8) - WVNSD [MPEG4 HD] added to EchoStar8 77W TP 32 ConUS beam (NA)

Channel Removals:
5272 - WVVA (NA) removed from EchoStar8 77W TP 32 ConUS beam(Bluefield, WV-NBC (http://maps.google.com/maps?&hl=en&q=Bluefield, WV))
5274 - WSWP (NA) removed from EchoStar8 77W TP 32 ConUS beam(Grandview, WV-PBS (http://maps.google.com/maps?&hl=en&q=Grandview, WV))
5271 - WVNS (NA) removed from EchoStar8 77W TP 32 ConUS beam(Lewisburg, WV-CBS (http://maps.google.com/maps?&hl=en&q=Lewisburg, WV))
5270 - WOAY (NA) removed from EchoStar8 77W TP 32 ConUS beam(Oak Hill, WV-ABC (http://maps.google.com/maps?&hl=en&q=Oak Hill, WV))
5273 - WVNSD (NA) removed from EchoStar8 77W TP 32 ConUS beam

Channels in the system: 6627
(A) = Available to subscribers
(NA) = Not Available
(H) = Hidden from non-subscribers

Pbs In HD:)

Do we have to wait until Dish launch's another satellite next year
to see any new national HD beyond the 8 HD channels that are uplinked?

Do we have to wait until Dish launch's another satellite next year
to see any new national HD beyond the 8 HD channels that are uplinked?

No.

And we haven't seen the eight yet.:)

Pbs In HD:)

They got it right from the start! Might be a good sign for the rest of us waiting for it!:)

They got it right from the start! Might be a good sign for the rest of us waiting for it!:)

This is not the first small market to get their PBS in HD, there have been several added over the past few months. The larger cities like LA, New York, Chicago, Denver, et. al. are still waiting. It it may take to 2012 to get it too according to what DISH said a few weeks ago when they were working on the renewal of the Satellite Home Viewers Act. It seems, DISH promised to roll out SD locals in all markets and at least NBC, ABC, CBS, and FOX HD in all markets. Then, they will roll out PBS. Of course in larger cities they already rolled out CW and MyTV. Then there is the PBS locals insisting that all their subchannels be uplinked with the main PBS feed which is a cause for delay until DISH gets more capacity. So, the blame is really on PBS locals more than it is DISH.

I thought Davenport and Paducah HD locals were to be uplinked today. Maybe next week. Evansville made it on 77.

another uplink report and GAC is still on free preview. i can understanding them uping the free preview for one more week, but not flagging GAC yet, is that channel moving packages or staying in the 250 package.

that's gonna be so cool that we are gonna get ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, PBS all in HD.
but even though I am in the Bluefield/ Beckley DMA, I didnt know that FOX was in HD here. I knew that WVVA, WVNS (CBS), WOAY, WSWP are all in HD.
but FOX is just a sub channel of WVNS.
maybe someone can correct me if Im wron about FOX in HD.
but I know that Comcast in Bluefield, and Suddenlink in Princeton do not offer FOX in HD.
but glad to see that DISH is gonna to be soon. and from the announcements on WVVA news a couple weeks ago, they stated that it should be avialable by December 9.

What the heck? Even the Charleston/Huntington WV market dont have PBS HD yet their SD channel says PBS HD.

DISH YOU STINK I WANT PBS IN HD IS SF YOU STINK DISH

that's gonna be so cool that we are gonna get ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, PBS all in HD.
but even though I am in the Bluefield/ Beckley DMA, I didnt know that FOX was in HD here. I knew that WVVA, WVNS (CBS), WOAY, WSWP are all in HD.
but FOX is just a sub channel of WVNS.
maybe someone can correct me if Im wron about FOX in HD.
but I know that Comcast in Bluefield, and Suddenlink in Princeton do not offer FOX in HD.

If the station isnt in HD then it wont be in HD....since its a subchannel it will probably show in SD

If the station isnt in HD then it wont be in HD....since its a subchannel it will probably show in SD

ok thats what I was thinking, but I wasnt for sure

Please Dish, Birmingham AL CW and PBS in HD!

This is not the first small market to get their PBS in HD, there have been several added over the past few months. The larger cities like LA, New York, Chicago, Denver, et. al. are still waiting. It it may take to 2012 to get it too according to what DISH said a few weeks ago when they were working on the renewal of the Satellite Home Viewers Act. It seems, DISH promised to roll out SD locals in all markets and at least NBC, ABC, CBS, and FOX HD in all markets. Then, they will roll out PBS. Of course in larger cities they already rolled out CW and MyTV. Then there is the PBS locals insisting that all their subchannels be uplinked with the main PBS feed which is a cause for delay until DISH gets more capacity. So, the blame is really on PBS locals more than it is DISH.


Correct me if I am wrong but a lot of the larger cities have multiple PBS stations in their DMA - so if Dish adds PBS HD, it is multiple HD adds.

That would be great. I have access to both a GA and TN PBS station.

Correct me if I am wrong but a lot of the larger cities have multiple PBS stations in their DMA - so if Dish adds PBS HD, it is multiple HD adds.

correct.

Here in Minnesota we have (technically) 3 different "main" PBS stations but only 2 are uplinked on Dish & Direct (the 3rd cant afford to get the equipment to get it to the POP...Minneapolis is a huge DMA so that would be a 200 mile issue)...both PBS stations have multiple subchannels

anywho....Technically Dish would have to uplink both KTCA (Minneapolis) and KAWB (Bemidji/Brainerd) in HD....which in some cases is goofy as for the most part, they show the same programs.

Correct me if I am wrong but a lot of the larger cities have multiple PBS stations in their DMA - so if Dish adds PBS HD, it is multiple HD adds.

In Denver we have two, and I can only speak for Denver. One of the stations operates the Rocky Mountain PBS Network with translators across the state. Similar to Connecticut Public TV and New Jersey Public TV. The other PBS station in Denver is more of a community station which offers some PBS programming; that is, it is not a normal PBS station. Both stations have subchannels.

The original post was directed at DISH for not at least providing PBS HD as an alternative to many cities who will have to wait up to three years to get a PBS HD signal. By the way, this issue affects stations like WGBH (Boston), WETA (Washington), WQED (Pittsburgh), WHYY (Philadelphia), KCET (Los Angeles), WTTW (Chicago), and WNET (New York) the sources for the majority of national PBS programming. In all their respected markets none of these stations are carried by DISH in HD.

Given the choice between MyTV and PBS; I think PBS is a better choice. But, revenue is the name of the game. Denver has MyTV in HD because KUSA the NBC affiliate owns the MyTV affiliate and uses it as a second channel for newscasts and when the Denver Broncos play on NFL Network or ESPN.

I do not disagree that PBS should and within 3 years will be available in all markets in HD. What I am saying is that if they uplink WGBH, they will need to add WENH and maybe others, whereas if they can cleanly add only one PBS HD - to serve and complete a DMA, it might be easier to do so. I do not know how full some of the spotbeams are getting for HD in major DMAs.

that's gonna be so cool that we are gonna get ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, PBS all in HD.
but even though I am in the Bluefield/ Beckley DMA, I didnt know that FOX was in HD here. I knew that WVVA, WVNS (CBS), WOAY, WSWP are all in HD.
but FOX is just a sub channel of WVNS.
maybe someone can correct me if Im wron about FOX in HD.
but I know that Comcast in Bluefield, and Suddenlink in Princeton do not offer FOX in HD.
but glad to see that DISH is gonna to be soon. and from the announcements on WVVA news a couple weeks ago, they stated that it should be avialable by December 9.

Yes the Fox is from WVNS and it is in HD because Suddenlink carries it also in HD. I am in Greenbrier County.

I do not disagree that PBS should and within 3 years will be available in all markets in HD. What I am saying is that if they uplink WGBH, they will need to add WENH and maybe others, whereas if they can cleanly add only one PBS HD - to serve and complete a DMA, it might be easier to do so. I do not know how full some of the spotbeams are getting for HD in major DMAs.

I agree PBD HD would be the best way to go for the interim. However, the PBS stations, though public and non-profit, are acting no different than their commercial cousins. They do not want competition. In this case, those who watch PBS HD will deny the local pBS stations from bombarding you with auctions and pledge drives. They cite local content and news, but it is really about the money.

correct.

Here in Minnesota we have (technically) 3 different "main" PBS stations but only 2 are uplinked on Dish & Direct (the 3rd cant afford to get the equipment to get it to the POP...Minneapolis is a huge DMA so that would be a 200 mile issue)...both PBS stations have multiple subchannels

anywho....Technically Dish would have to uplink both KTCA (Minneapolis) and KAWB (Bemidji/Brainerd) in HD....which in some cases is goofy as for the most part, they show the same programs.

DirecTV is getting away with only having 1 in HD. Here in Cleveland, there are 2 (plus a few translators), WVIZ in Cleveland, and WEAO in Kent. Yet, DirecTV only has WVIZ in HD. You think Dish could get a similar deal.

I'd rather have PBS in HD than any other channel I don't already get. I was really missing it with the National Park series.

I liked it better back in the good ole days, where uncle sam picked up the tab for PBS stations.

That was something I was willing to spend my tax dollars on.

Just to clarify, Dish would provide a National PBS in HD today, but PBS will not allow it.

Dish and PBS are currently in negotiations.

A web search should provide some information on that.

So that's why they dont uplink HD in some markets, its due to multiple PBS channels. The one that didn't get their feed in HD would be ticked because the other one did and they would lose some of their viewing audience which helps fund their channel.

Maybe Dish Network could pay off PBS (a donation) to have just one PBS HD channel. I don't think that would fly for the same reasons that the network stations wouldn't allow that. It would hurt them. They did get a deal with ION though I think.

So that's why they dont uplink HD in some markets, its due to multiple PBS channels. The one that didn't get their feed in HD would be ticked because the other one did and they would lose some of their viewing audience which helps fund their channel.

Huh? Dish only has PBS Alaska and Hawaii. They carry no HD PBS in any market in the continental United States, rather if they have 1 or 10 PBS stations in the market.

Since that is the case, it doesn't seem PBS is what is stopping the HD LiL roll out all together.

But, like I said, for some reason PBS is letting DirecTV have only one, so I hope Dish can get the same deal.

Huh? Dish only has PBS Alaska and Hawaii. They carry no HD PBS in any market in the continental United States, rather if they have 1 or 10 PBS stations in the market.

Since that is the case, it doesn't seem PBS is what is stopping the HD LiL roll out all together.

But, like I said, for some reason PBS is letting DirecTV have only one, so I hope Dish can get the same deal.

About 2 years ago, DirectTV entered into an 10 year agreement with PBS to make one PBS station available in HD in each market in which Direct carries HD. Direct also agreed to add 2 SD PBS networks (KIDS and something else). A couple of members of congress were reportedly unhappy with the deal and they worked with Direct to add multiple HD PBSs in certain markets, e.g., Vermont - Burlington carries both the Plattsburgh and VPT stations in HD. Dish was in negotiations and several members of congress offered to work with Dish and PBS to nail down a deal, but nothing came of it. Now with Dish promising to add all SD markets, required to add all the HDs in the markets in which they carry HD, several networks scrambling to add stations to smaller markets, e.g.,CBS, and FOX in Springfield MA, WGGB carries Fox HD on 40.2, ABC is 40.1, channel 3 WFSB (CBS) in Hartford created a CBS station for the Springfield market on RF 69 virtual 3, one wonders if Dish will have the capacity on spotbeams in DMA rich areas (springfield has traditionally relied on hartford to complete their networks, but now has all 4 major networks in HD. That is the number of stations in a small area has increased significantly.

It would be nice if DISH would consider adding PBS Sprout in SD and HD?.:)

My daughter is 2 and absolutely loved Sprout when we had Directv. Now we're with Dish (which I like much better) and no Sprout. Would love it if they added that in SD or HD. She's not picky. She's 2 and she wants her Dragon Tales back.;)

Hey Dish----SPROUT Please.

Yeah, PBS Kids Sprout would fit in great on ch. 168 next to Nick Jr. The only problem though is DISH would have to move Spike somewhere else.

does anyone get pbs create on dish? it is a subchannel of my local pbs

She's not picky. She's 2 and she wants her Dragon Tales back. Not a solution for everybody, but it works around here. My local PBS affiliate, WETA, broadcasts PBS-kids 24 hrs/day on one of their digital subchannels. So we can record and watch Dragon Tales all we want.

I don't know how much (or how little) of an impact it would make, but there is a group on Facebook trying to get people to join that want Dish to add Sprout. It was originally a group to add Noggin 24/7 and Sprout, but Noggin has since been expanded to a 24-hour channel on Dish's lineup. If you're interested, log into Facebook and search for Dish Network Sprout and you can find it. I'd put a link, but it's telling me that with less than 3 posts (I don't post much), I can't put a link in...

I don't know how much (or how little) of an impact it would make, but there is a group on Facebook trying to get people to join that want Dish to add Sprout. It was originally a group to add Noggin 24/7 and Sprout, but Noggin has since been expanded to a 24-hour channel on Dish's lineup. If you're interested, log into Facebook and search for Dish Network Sprout and you can find it. I'd put a link, but it's telling me that with less than 3 posts (I don't post much), I can't put a link in...

Please add Sprout (http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/group.php?gid=80954151496)