long time no post/been busy and such...

so today i got a letter bout new speed increase. sweet.

those with 7 mbps will have 10 mbps for free

and they will also offer up to 40mbps speeds! called lighting or something. not sure how that part works, it just says it will b available.

for 7 to 10mbps speeds, it will b on the 10th of December. not sure on 40mbps.

either way, after being with them since 05 and always a happy customer, i am glad to see they are upping their speed as they should for today's what should b average speeds.

was in ny, average speeds range from 20 to 40 or so mbps, with fios or cable vision...

well i am off for now...just wanted to share for those who did not know.

Tampa bay area info.:rolleyes:

yeah, not central florida though but good for you.

BH Pasco gave me 10 mbps for free over a year ago then with a new 2 year promo which I added the phone I was given 15 mbps. The tech did say not likely I would notice any difference. I didn't. I honestly can say I didn't notice a difference from 7 or to 15. I am also a very pleased customer as saved a huge amount dropping Verizon land line phone. So far all is well.

i didn't notice any major difference between 7 and 15.

Most websites load instantly on 7mbit so its likely anyone who is just a web surfer will notice any difference. Those who do a lot of downloading and other heavy use stuff really notice the difference.

Hmm... what about the upstream? Any difference there coming on the Turbo side?

I just signed up for BH Pasco for 'triple play' starting in January including 7mbps-I wonder if I will get the 10 automatically or will I have to ask prior to install? I am ALSO canceling my Verizon landline. Paul, Z-Hills

I agree as well, when doing normal everyday browsing 7 Mbps or 15 Mbps there is trully no difference...

when downloading that's where there is a difference, also when sharing with wireless network, another noticeable difference, especially on upload if you have 15 and or especially 20 Mbps with 2 Mbps up. wonder what upload 40 Mbps will offer.

I remember with same exact setup, when i had 7, ran great but had hiccups when 3 pc's were in used at the same time, but with 20 none of that is ever noticeable and is always super fast no matter what including online gaming on ps3-loading of videos and stuff is also an honest difference on sites... either way am happy-still wanted to share for those who make it a big deal haha.

I just signed up for BH Pasco for 'triple play' starting in January including 7mbps-I wonder if I will get the 10 automatically or will I have to ask prior to install? I am ALSO canceling my Verizon landline. Paul, Z-Hills

according to the flyer i got on the mail, you do not need to do anything, it will just happen on the 10th, assuming all of tampa bay area will get this small free upgrade.

according to the flyer i got on the mail, you do not need to do anything, it will just happen on the 10th, assuming all of tampa bay area will get this small free upgrade.

hmm interesting...i have noticed the change already...10 down 1 up. idk why they would say for the 10th if its already done lol...well just giving an update.

40Mbps now available with 5 Mbps up.

:]

40Mbps now available with 5 Mbps up.

ummmm...."where" would be important info, maybe?

ummmm...."where" would be important info, maybe?

now now, have i ever given u guys false info?

i would have assume peeps check the bright house site lol


Compare Plans: Road Runner - Bright House Networks Tampa Bay (http://tampabay.brighthouse.com/products_and_pricing/internet/compare_plans/road_runner_compare.aspx)


http://tampabay.brighthouse.com/products_and_pricing/internet/lightning.aspx

But there are multiple BHN and RR sites. Which one to go to? Before your post, had I checked instead of asking, I would have gone to cfl.

However, BHN/rr sites are notoriously wrong, unclear, or behind in posting stuff. You are taking a serious risk if you assume what you see there is the current truth.

Also, I wasn't implying your info was false, just curious as to which locale it applied to. NOW we know it is Tampa.

But there are multiple BHN and RR sites. Which one to go to? Before your post, had I checked instead of asking, I would have gone to cfl.

However, BHN/rr sites are notoriously wrong, unclear, or behind in posting stuff. You are taking a serious risk if you assume what you see there is the current truth.

Also, I wasn't implying your info was false, just curious as to which locale it applied to. NOW we know it is Tampa.

well these sites are for the Tampa bay area, not just tampa-so it includes saint Pete/clear-water/Tampa/hills borough of course and all of the rest of Pinellas county area.

if they were to false advertise then that would b a big issue. but no these sites are as real as your central Florida bright house sites. but to double check as for any "concerns." I called and it is of course the real deal, felt dumb for calling but to make some of the peeps here more comfortable about the info, I did so, so to back up that it exist lol.

idk what cfl offers, I just always put my zip code and i get that info for my area (st pete/kenneth city area)

either way I understand. but just backing up the story/info to new comers.

Road Runner Lightning is available in the Tampa Bay market as I had the service installed this past Monday and am getting the full 40/5 speeds right now. Its wideband DOCSIS 3.0 and they provide a new cable modem that is also a wireless N router made by SMC.

Road Runner Lightning is available in the Tampa Bay market as I had the service installed this past Monday and am getting the full 40/5 speeds right now. Its wideband DOCSIS 3.0 and they provide a new cable modem that is also a wireless N router made by SMC.


I have to ask, since I did not ask the requirements, just wondered if it was available when i called.

how much more is it a month? do you have to have all 3 services? either way *besides what the site says* how much extra is it?

since i do kno it runs on "different" technology i kno a different modem is being used. i do wonder why they dint do the full 50Mbps since "wideband" is capable of up to that. maybe to save some bandwidth/money? lol

gotta pay for them to change out the modem? or will they just come thru and change it out for ya real quick for free if you order the service

any addition info would b great as i would like to change to this service as soon as i can.

thanks in advance...if anything i can call again lol.

I have to ask, since I did not ask the requirements, just wondered if it was available when i called.

how much more is it a month? do you have to have all 3 services? either way *besides what the site says* how much extra is it?

since i do kno it runs on "different" technology i kno a different modem is being used. i do wonder why they dint do the full 50Mbps since "wideband" is capable of up to that. maybe to save some bandwidth/money? lol

gotta pay for them to change out the modem? or will they just come thru and change it out for ya real quick for free if you order the service

any addition info would b great as i would like to change to this service as soon as i can.

thanks in advance...if anything i can call again lol.

You need to have at least a double play last I heard. This means if you just phone "OR" cable along with their internet service your good to go.

What you pay extra depends on your current internet tier.

If you have the 10/1 service (used to be 7/512 a bit ago) which is the base internet tier it will cost an additional 30.00 extra per month.

If you have their 15/2 service today you must pay an "extra" 20.00 per month more for Lightning.

If you have their 20/2 service today you must pay an "extra" 15.00 per month more for Lightning.

Simply put no matter what internet tier you have your going to pay 30 bucks a month extra "Total" above the base internet tier. So if your paying for an extra tier beyond the base internet tier your going to pay the difference between the additional cost of that tier and 30 bucks.

I hope I said it well enough and didn't make it more confusing lol.

All Lightning internet upgrades will require a tech to install everything and it also does require a one time 50.00 install charge paid COD to the tech installing your modem. I've seen very few cases of this fee being waived at all.

Beyond the above I've heard they plan on increasing the downstream speeds from 40Mbps to 50Mbps once they have enough upgrades to allow them to fully test the hardware and software that controls everything since its new DOCSIS 3.0 wideband stuff. This should be a free speed upgrade just for Lightning subscribers.

I hope this information helps you out and yes while expensive for both the service and the install fee being high (should be free IMO) I still have no regrets at all for making the switch. However get that horrid router into bridge mode ASAP if you do anything or plan to do anything that requires any complex router configuration including port forwarding.

You need to have at least a double play last I heard. This means if you just phone "OR" cable along with their internet service your good to go.

What you pay extra depends on your current internet tier.

If you have the 10/1 service (used to be 7/512 a bit ago) which is the base internet tier it will cost an additional 30.00 extra per month.

If you have their 15/2 service today you must pay an "extra" 20.00 per month more for Lightning.

If you have their 20/2 service today you must pay an "extra" 15.00 per month more for Lightning.

Simply put no matter what internet tier you have your going to pay 30 bucks a month extra "Total" above the base internet tier. So if your paying for an extra tier beyond the base internet tier your going to pay the difference between the additional cost of that tier and 30 bucks.

I hope I said it well enough and didn't make it more confusing lol.

All Lightning internet upgrades will require a tech to install everything and it also does require a one time 50.00 install charge paid COD to the tech installing your modem. I've seen very few cases of this fee being waived at all.

Beyond the above I've heard they plan on increasing the downstream speeds from 40Mbps to 50Mbps once they have enough upgrades to allow them to fully test the hardware and software that controls everything since its new DOCSIS 3.0 wideband stuff. This should be a free speed upgrade just for Lightning subscribers.

I hope this information helps you out and yes while expensive for both the service and the install fee being high (should be free IMO) I still have no regrets at all for making the switch. However get that horrid router into bridge mode ASAP if you do anything or plan to do anything that requires any complex router configuration including port forwarding.

Great info thank you. and yes made alot of sense and I personally find it to be quite fair. I mean for a 40 or so Mbps speed. right now yes as mentioned before I am on 10 down and 1 up. but I will b upgrading to the 40 soon *i was to 20 if they dint have the 40, and yes i have had 20 down 2 up before.

I will stick to my wireless n router no matter what, I will just turn off all "router" features and just make it run as a regular modem.

we have internet and phone, so i believe all they would have to do is change the modem, thought 50 bucks to do just that i will admit that is a little high, unless they need to change something at the pole then once again, fair one time price, also helps them *get the difference* in pay.

thanks again bro :]

Great info thank you. and yes made alot of sense and I personally find it to be quite fair. I mean for a 40 or so Mbps speed. right now yes as mentioned before I am on 10 down and 1 up. but I will b upgrading to the 40 soon *i was to 20 if they dint have the 40, and yes i have had 20 down 2 up before.

I will stick to my wireless n router no matter what, I will just turn off all "router" features and just make it run as a regular modem.

we have internet and phone, so i believe all they would have to do is change the modem, thought 50 bucks to do just that i will admit that is a little high, unless they need to change something at the pole then once again, fair one time price, also helps them *get the difference* in pay.

thanks again bro :]

If you have internet and phone today with one single modem providing both your internet and phone service take note that you will now have two modems.

Your existing modem used now for your 10/1 internet and phone service will be switched to just phone service only. BHN will install a second modem (SMC modem) which "only" works with your internet service. So if you have BHN phone service and Road Runner Lightning service you have no way at all to avoid needing "two" modems....one for voice and another for internet. Just wanted to make that clear just in case because the SMC modem "doesn't" support voice services.

If you have internet and phone today with one single modem providing both your internet and phone service take note that you will now have two modems.

Your existing modem used now for your 10/1 internet and phone service will be switched to just phone service only. BHN will install a second modem (SMC modem) which "only" works with your internet service. So if you have BHN phone service and Road Runner Lightning service you have no way at all to avoid needing "two" modems....one for voice and another for internet. Just wanted to make that clear just in case because the SMC modem "doesn't" support voice services.

i c thanks once again, that would not even b a thought of a problem to me lol.

so personally how is your experience with the new speed/response time etc?

what do you get on average from speakeasy .net?

i c thanks once again, that would not even b a thought of a problem to me lol.

so personally how is your experience with the new speed/response time etc?

what do you get on average from speakeasy .net?

These speedtest sites are having a very hard time dealing with these higher level speeds so many of them are showing 15-20Mbps speeds. However the Tampa Bay Road Runner speed test site is clocking my connection at around 38Mbps when I don't use my current Trendnet router. When using my Trendnet router my speeds drop to about 25Mbps. My router is a bit old and quite often stops working and gets very slow until I reboot it. I'm not sure if this router is even high quality enough to handle these types of speeds with large file downloads.

Because of this I'm using my birthday Best Buy giftcard to buy a high quality router most likely a Linksys unless anybody has a better just as high quality if not better alternative.

I currently have the Turbo Plus internet with 20 mps and 2 mps upload. I called to downgrade to Turbo without the Plus and they say the price is the same if I downgrade to the Turbo tier. This is confusing. Guess this means Turbo Plus customers aren't seeing any increased speed benefits that the customers of other tiers are enjoying.:mad:

When I wanted to downgrade, they told me it would be a HIGHER price because I would be moving off a promo.

See this thread
http://www.satelliteguys.us/bright-house-cable-forum/184361-more-more-more.html

Seems they have figured out how to lock people into higher priced services.

These speedtest sites are having a very hard time dealing with these higher level speeds so many of them are showing 15-20Mbps speeds. However the Tampa Bay Road Runner speed test site is clocking my connection at around 38Mbps when I don't use my current Trendnet router. When using my Trendnet router my speeds drop to about 25Mbps. My router is a bit old and quite often stops working and gets very slow until I reboot it. I'm not sure if this router is even high quality enough to handle these types of speeds with large file downloads.

Because of this I'm using my birthday Best Buy giftcard to buy a high quality router most likely a Linksys unless anybody has a better just as high quality if not better alternative.

interesting, yea i can understand the speakeasy site is capped at 20Mbps, but do try the Speedtest.net - The Global Broadband Speed Test (http://www.speedtest.net/) site, it is capped of up to 50Mbps.

personally i would not always try the local ones as they are usually not capped right, i like Atlanta server and Dallas, always great proper speeds, even for its distance...try again and let me know whats up...

and yes having an older router especially if you haven't done a firmware upgrade can and could slow down your proper speed/response time...

i would also check how it runs directly with Ethernet without ur personal router. or why not just use the built in router and set it up your way? and re test like that also.



i personally choose netgear but linksys/cisco are a second great choice ;) lol

http://www.speedtest.net/result/645887918.png (http://www.speedtest.net)


http://www.speedtest.net/result/645893352.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

http://www.speedtest.net/result/645895222.png (http://www.speedtest.net)


this is my result almost every time or even higher sometimes depending on servers/far or local even as far as Canadian servers lol, running fully wireless with 3 other computers... ;) *thought mine atm is the only one running*

so yes i kno 10Mbps aint all that, but for the setup it runs no different than if i ran with wires, i personally have checked proper wire rings/splitters and quality of connection to always make sure i get the best possible connection out of my shared street connection. so i always had a great quality service with bright house :} am super picky :P

I'd like to see other peeps results, for fun of course :}

When I wanted to downgrade, they told me it would be a HIGHER price because I would be moving off a promo.

See this thread
http://www.satelliteguys.us/bright-house-cable-forum/184361-more-more-more.html

Seems they have figured out how to lock people into higher priced services.


As was mentioned in that thread, you were on a promo thats why.


And in the case of the above user, he does not seem to realize that "Turbo Plus" is no more. That Turbo has become "turbo plus" and Lightning is the new high tier.. So now you have RR, RR Turbo, RR Lightning.. No more Turbo Plus.

http://www.speedtest.net/result/646174883.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

And, as was mentioned in THIS thread, I specifically noted that the promo was the reason.

That does not change the FACT that we keep hearing from people who want to downgrade to save money and are told the price will be the same or higher. Frankly, I don't care what the reason is...we end up with no option that will save us money except canceling the service.

No option that will save money...how convenient for BHN.

You have plenty of options to save money. Stay on the promo. Or find another promo that maybe offered...

BHN is doing the right thing here they are honoring peoples current rate and not forcing them to pay the higher one.

Example in Orlando Turbo used to be "10$" more then regular RR. But the new price will be 15$ more. for the "turbo plus" so instead of making turbo users pay that extra 5$ they are honoring the 10$ price for as long as you keep it. If you wish to get rid of turbo then you will be charged the rate new customers get charged..


So you are saving money by staying with your current package. Like you with your promo of 109. You were saving money by staying with the promo. Instead of getting off it.

And in my post above when I said "user above" I meant CoasterFL, not you jcarra sorry for the confusion. when he was talking about turbo/turbo plus.

...So you are saving money by staying with your current package.,,

What is so hard about understanding this logic? I did not want to "sav[e] money by staying with your current package." I wanted to REDUCE my outlay by reducing my service!!!

Dang. Sounds pretty simple to understand to me.

sits back with popcorn and enjoys da show :P:rant:

What is so hard about understanding this logic? I did not want to "sav[e] money by staying with your current package." I wanted to REDUCE my outlay by reducing my service!!!

Dang. Sounds pretty simple to understand to me.


How can you go lower then the lowest price? You cant.. The only option you have is get rid of somthing.. Drop internet or phone is the only way left for you, as you already get the lowest price possible. Im not sure how this is such a hard concept to grasp...

Your paying the lowest availible price for all three services.. You cant get lower then the lowest... Your only bet on getting lower then your current promotion is if BHN comes out with a newer promotion at a different rate.. Other then that you already have the lowest price possible for the services you have.. Downgrading your interet speed will simply take you off the promotion and make you pay retail.

I dont know how else to explain it.. If you goto the store and they have a buy one get one deal, if you choose only to take one and not the free one its not their fault. you decided taking only one was better then two.

Apparently we will never communicate successfully with each other.

I was not at the lowest speed offered.

Therefore it is technically possible to reduce my service without giving it up altogether.

But had I done so, I would have paid more.

Now we can loop through the reason again if you wish, and which I have acknowledged. And again I will say, the end result is the same to me irrespective of the reasons...I could not save money by reducing service.

You were not at the lowest speed, but you were at the lowest price, and thats my point.


You could save money by reducing services. Get rid of internet. Or phone. Or tv. That would be your only option as you are already at the lowest possible price..

Im not sure why we are having such trouble communicating when its pretty clear.. You are at the lowest price point possible. Getting a lower internet speed will not lower your price as you are already at the lowest possible price.. If you change your promo to a different internet speed then your price will change. But currently you get the lowest possible price for all three services.. There is no where else for you to go except get rid of a service.

Its like going to a store and they have a gallon of milk on sale for below the half gallon price (its happend during specials/promos publix does this on their sweet tea often around here) so youd pay more for the half gallon then you would the gallon.. Mise well buy the gallon even if you only needed half a gallon. Its cheaper.

You currently are buying the gallon for a less price then the half gallon..

Some pricing information. Based on CFL prices (Tampa should be very close)

Interactive TV: $63.49
RR Lite: $32.99
Home Phone: 49.99
----

$146.47 (If bought seprately)

Now the Combos:

Combo Plus: (RR Basic, Phone, TV): $109.90

So by picking the combo you save: 36.57 a month.

The Combo is the lowest pricing point. You can not modify it as its sold as a "package". If you change the package then the price is no longer a "package price" so the price will reflect whatever change you make.

:rant:

look guys, if you guys cannot communicate as stated before why do you guys keep it up? who cares! who gets what...all that matter is WHATEVER we ALL pay nowadays is beyond cheaper than what it was years ago/and we get more today...so shsh.

thread hijackers :sob::cool: lol

Don't shsh me please. First, it came back up because coasterFL had the same problem. All I did was indicate to him that I had the same issue and refer him to it--seems appropriate: "hey, not an isolated jcarrera-only misperception thing."

From there, apparently it was "on" (but the next post was not mine)-- and you expect me to not respond? I thought this was a public forum. There have been no personal attacks. Everything I have said is factual. And everything Insider has said is factual--he just views the circumstances as explaining the result--thus there is no gripe, whereas I view the result as being the main point--thus there is a big gripe.

If you don't like me refusing to accept responses that miss the point, then don't read it; just click to the index and read another thread. Turn the radio to another channel. Turn the radio off. Or whatever. You are free to tune me or Insider out.

It dawns on me that I suppose a bit of this is that I seem to be being told "because of xxxx, you should just accept that you have a really good deal." I believe it is to be my judgment as to what kind of deal I have. I could not reduce my outlay by reducing to a lower speed even though lower speed service was available. To reduce cost, I would have to terminate internet service. Yes, that did and does bother me, and I don't care what the reasons are, it is a fact. I can only reduce outlay by terminating service, and I don't like that, and I =will= write about it.

Agree jcarra it has been a non-violent conversation ;)

And it is simply a difference of opinion on the end result.

Personnaly I just dont see why one is upset they are getting a better service for less then what they would pay for a lessor service.. It just boggles my mind.

lol j u sure like to start don't ya?


I never said anything about the convo being inappropriate or anything like that. of course u guys did not do anything wrong, but really common, if you guys are going to have your fun on who is right or wrong, personally u guys both have your points THAT WILL NOT WIN on either side, just deal with it and try to b happy with your statements... i started the thread talking about speeds and such, not who pays what, there are other threads about your matters. site states to keep all type of convo on their right thread/forums.

plus telling me to go somewhere else on a thread I started i think it would b respectable to keep the convo on something that has to do what this thread was started for. public or not, you do as you wish but i wont go nowhere, but i am entitle to mentioning something i believe is stupid...

aight peeps im out.

razor, Insider and I are at peace. Never were at war--each just trying to get the other to see their point.

The conversation had to do with speed, as is the topic, but it did drift on an angle. Bring us back to the main intent you intended.

razor, Insider and I are at peace. Never were at war--each just trying to get the other to see their point.

The conversation had to do with speed, as is the topic, but it did drift on an angle. Bring us back to the main intent you intended.


its all good, once again idc. you guys do not and never have bothered me... just stated my opinion as well that's all...

I can try. but i have no new material to share at this second besides wondering all SO MANY reader's speeds that don't post lol.

These speedtest sites are having a very hard time dealing with these higher level speeds so many of them are showing 15-20Mbps speeds. However the Tampa Bay Road Runner speed test site is clocking my connection at around 38Mbps when I don't use my current Trendnet router. When using my Trendnet router my speeds drop to about 25Mbps. My router is a bit old and quite often stops working and gets very slow until I reboot it. I'm not sure if this router is even high quality enough to handle these types of speeds with large file downloads.

Because of this I'm using my birthday Best Buy giftcard to buy a high quality router most likely a Linksys unless anybody has a better just as high quality if not better alternative.

Check out the Netgear WNDR-3700. It's getting very good reviews. Whatever you do, avoid the DGL-4500 by dlink. Recently since they jumped to firmware 1.2x or higher, what was a good router is having many issues. The biggest problem is once you are at 1.2, there is no way you can downgrade to 1.15. I know because I'm stuck at 1.21B8 trying to help them diagnose some of the issues.

did they increase the rr speeds for central florida?

I upgraded to the RR turbo plus or whatever they call it now, after I received an email about it last week. I had the 15 MB and the email said for $5 it was getting bumped up to 20 MB. I consistently get 20-21 with up to 30 with the boost. I'm in Palm Bay with Cfl BHN.

Those of you who are reporting these >10Mbps speeds...what kBps download rate for saving file on computer do you USUALLY get when downloading a file (not the web page itself) using your browser?

This is the number reported in the dialog box during the download process.

Those of you who are reporting these >10Mbps speeds...what kBps download rate for saving file on computer do you USUALLY get when downloading a file (not the web page itself) using your browser?

This is the number reported in the dialog box during the download process.

averages on the highest is 1.3 MB/sec depending on site.

I didn't mean the highest...I should have said "typical."

That is interesting though. I show 10-12 Mbps speeds usually at the test sites, but on downloads, I range from 50-300MBps [LATER: correction: KBps], with 150-250MBps [LATER: correction: KBps] being typical.

I upgraded to the RR turbo plus or whatever they call it now, after I received an email about it last week. I had the 15 MB and the email said for $5 it was getting bumped up to 20 MB. I consistently get 20-21 with up to 30 with the boost. I'm in Palm Bay with Cfl BHN.


i received both an email and a card in the mail about the speed increase but both said the additional cost is $15.

I already had RR turbo which was $10 more than standard RR. I believe that's why it was only $5 more for me.

I didn't mean the highest...I should have said "typical."

That is interesting though. I show 10-12 Mbps speeds usually at the test sites, but on downloads, I range from 50-300MBps, with 150-250MBps being typical.


im confused.. How could you be seeing speeks in the 250Mbit range when the highest nic card in the cable modems is 100mbit...

I already had RR turbo which was $10 more than standard RR. I believe that's why it was only $5 more for me.


Correct. Its 15more from standard 5 more from turbo

im confused.. How could you be seeing speeks in the 250Mbit range when the highest nic card in the cable modems is 100mbit...

lmao i second this question...even if he had a 1000 nic card, them speeds are not accurate.

10 Mbps speeds averages about 1.3 MB/sec.

and so on.

im confused.. How could you be seeing speeks in the 250Mbit range when the highest nic card in the cable modems is 100mbit...
I erred when writing...It is not Mbit in the download dialog boxes; it is KBps, kiloBYTEs per second.

Cable advertises megaBITS per second; download indicators are almost universally shown as kiloBYTES per second. Would be nice if they were the same, but they are not.

As to whether they are accurate or not, they are what is shown to me. I am not computing them. The speedtest site shows the speedtest result, and the browser download dialog shows the bytes per second of the download. I am just reporting them.

If 10Mbps should be 1.3MBps, and I am getting 150-250KBps (typical), then I wonder where the slowdown is coming from--and that was the reason for the question initially anyway. I thought I should be seeing higher download speeds.

The same computer is doing both tests, and the same browser is being used, so what the ______??????

If your only getting 150to250KB/s you have a problem some where..

You should be over 1000,KBS (Figure 1MB/s is 1024KB/s)

Figure there are roughly 8BITS in every BYTE so just divide by 8.

10Mbit is 1250/KBs

I agree. I just can't figure where to look for the problem, since in both the speedtest and the download, the traffic is going through the same router (mine in the house, I mean), the same computer, and the same browser. So, how could it be consistently so different?

Is the speedtest using a different protocol to deliver the test file transfer than a browser file download does? That's the only way I can see to account for a difference--like one is http and one is ftp, or something like that going on.

I agree. I just can't figure where to look for the problem, since in both the speedtest and the download, the traffic is going through the same router (mine in the house, I mean), the same computer, and the same browser. So, how could it be consistently so different?

Is the speedtest using a different protocol to deliver the test file transfer than a browser file download does? That's the only way I can see to account for a difference--like one is http and one is ftp, or something like that going on.

have you tried testing without the router? pc with Ethernet directly to modem?



SpeedGuide.net :: TCP Optimizer / Downloads (http://www.speedguide.net/downloads.php)

try the link, click on tcp optimizer.

super small download. and doesn't even really install. when u get the box, click optimized settings, make sure CHANGE SETTINGS on all network cards/ and have the slider all the way to 20.

save and restart. no need to back up.

re test*

let us kno whats up

also go to your modems ip and check if your signal levels are correct from cable company.

Have not tried direct to modem, but since the speedtest results are fine going through the router, I don't think it is the home router causing it.

I ran the SG_Vista_TcpIp_patch.cmd file from the linked site. We'll see. Hope that didn't mess anything up.

The TCP Optimizer you referenced does not apply to Vista!!!

LATER: Tried a dl of Avira Antivir from download.com, 29MB file. It was showing rates from upper 60's to low 80's KB/sec over the first minute, then I canceled. Looks like I have lost speed.

Have not tried direct to modem, but since the speedtest results are fine going through the router, I don't think it is the home router causing it.

I ran the SG_Vista_TcpIp_patch.cmd file from the linked site. We'll see. Hope that didn't mess anything up.

The TCP Optimizer you referenced does not apply to Vista!!!

LATER: Tried a dl of Avira Antivir from download.com, 29MB file. It was showing rates from upper 60's to low 80's KB/sec over the first minute, then I canceled. Looks like I have lost speed.

that is because they never updated link as u can see last edited was 2006, but yes it does work with vista and 7! tested and proven, but idk if you read. but there is a version for vista. thought i never noticed any difference, so i just like using original lil program.

does not mess up anything, just try it.

Is there somewhere on their site where they say it is OK for Vista?

(The IP stack is Vista is TOTALLY DIFFERENT from previous MS OS's.)

LATER...indeed, from their FAQ:
31. Does the Optimizer work under Vista/Windows 7 ? http://www.speedguide.net/images/spacer_01.gif No, Windows Vista/7 introduces many changes to TCP/IP (javascript://%20What%20is%20TCP/IP%20?), and the current version of the TCP Optimizer is not designed to work with it since thoe operating systems do not support direct settings for the TCP Window.

Still, there are a number of tweakable options described in our Vista TCP/IP tweaking article (http://www.speedguide.net/read_articles.php?id=2574) for manual tweaking.

We also offer an automatic Vista TCP/IP Patch (http://www.speedguide.net/files/vista/SG_Vista_TcpIp_patch.cmd) in the download section (http://www.speedguide.net/downloads.php#vista) of the site to tweak your broadband (javascript://%20What%20is%20broadband%20?) intenet connection under those Operating systems.

Is there somewhere on their site where they say it is OK for Vista?

(The IP stack is Vista is TOTALLY DIFFERENT from previous MS OS's.)

LATER...indeed, from their FAQ:
31. Does the Optimizer work under Vista/Windows 7 ? http://www.speedguide.net/images/spacer_01.gif No, Windows Vista/7 introduces many changes to TCP/IP (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E://%20What%20is%20TCP/IP%20?), and the current version of the TCP Optimizer is not designed to work with it since thoe operating systems do not support direct settings for the TCP Window.

Still, there are a number of tweakable options described in our Vista TCP/IP tweaking article (http://www.speedguide.net/read_articles.php?id=2574) for manual tweaking.

We also offer an automatic Vista TCP/IP Patch (http://www.speedguide.net/files/vista/SG_Vista_TcpIp_patch.cmd) in the download section (http://www.speedguide.net/downloads.php#vista) of the site to tweak your broadband (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E://%20What%20is%20broadband%20?) intenet connection under those Operating systems.


geez my words mean nothing don't they? i kno all of that already, i swear to u it does.

it does not JUST change tcp ip changes.

try it, u notice no change then erase it and go on with your life lol.

I may have solved the issue. I looked at Gizmos Best freeware
Gizmo's Freeware Reviews (http://www.techsupportalert.com/)
for download managers. He recommended GigaGET, which I installed.

A repeat attempt at Avira Antivir was in the 1.6-1.7 Mb?B?ps rate. Tried again, and got 700-900 kBps. Whoooeeee! These are speeds I have never seen before.

No final judgment here, but it looks like the download manager has a tremendous effect on one's speed.

This also indicates it is not the TCP/IP stack or the router causing the slowness.

Well, OTOH, maybe not. Just tried a large file from MS downloads, and got around 100kBps--consistent with what I was seeing before.

More reading leads me to believe that one of Gigaget's methods is to open connections to multiple sites to get the requested file.

I suspect MS stuff is available only from them, so with the single download point, the speed was just as before.

Well, OTOH, maybe not. Just tried a large file from MS downloads, and got around 100kBps--consistent with what I was seeing before.

More reading leads me to believe that one of Gigaget's methods is to open connections to multiple sites to get the requested file.

I suspect MS stuff is available only from them, so with the single download point, the speed was just as before.


lol I could have told you that program would not fix your problem, but i dint bothered.

have you tried my method?

I have not run the program you mentioned, which site says is for up to XP. I did read your assurance that it is OK for Vista, but please don't be insulted...it is such a simple change for the site to add Vista to the list of "works with" OS's, and they have not done so--that gives me pause.

I understand you have not had a problem with using it. That doesn't mean I wouldn't. I just can't comprehend them failing to say so since it would open up to thousands of additional people. It just doen't make sense. That leads me to believe there may be incompatibilities.

Vista's TCP/IP is a complete and total re-write from that used in XP. Any kind of tuning would have to be VERY different. So the program would have to detect the OS and internally run very different processes. That they would go to that trouble--to make such extensive changes to the product, then not announce it on the site, is incomprehensible.

The GigaGET program has helped immensely--just not on every download.

jcarra do you have more then one computer on the network? Is the issue happening on all the pcs?

A good way you are headed...

There are two linux machines on the router--a laptop (wanna buy it?) and a tower, and another Vista laptop. None are ever used for downloads, except for ubuntu and Windows updates.

The linux machines' updates, as I recall, have presented highly variable rates, from the 10's to the high hundreds, 800 to 1000. Don't know about the Windows updates, because the MS dialog does not show the dl rate.

However, as before, I don't think it is the network equipment due to the speedtest results--unless there is a protocol issue (slow on one type of dl, fast on another...e.g., http vs. ftp, or TCP vs. UDP).