New HD services:

· Turner Classic Movies HD, Channel 1314
· WE HD, Channel 1317
· Outdoor Channel HD, Channel 1321
· Disney XD HD, Channel 1338
· Investigation Discovery HD, Channel 1352
· Fox Business Network HD, Channel 1354
· Planet Green HD, Channel 1362
· Style HD, Channel 1363
· TV One HD, Channel 1379

New HD Premium services:

· HBO West HD, Channel 1240
· HBO Latino HD, Channel 1244
· HBO Comedy HD, Channel 1245
· HBO Zone HD, Channel 1246
· HBO Family HD, Channel 1247
· HBO 2 HD, Channel 1249
· HBO Signature HD, Channel 1250
· MoreMax HD, Channel 1252
· Action Max HD, Channel 1253
· Showtime West HD, Channel 1265
· Showtime Too West HD, Channel 1266
· TMC xtra HD, Channel 1272
· The Movie Channel (TMC) West HD, Channel 1273
· TMC xtra West HD, Channel 1274

NEW HD Movie Pack Service

· Independent Film Channel HD (IFC), Channel 1286

NBA TV and NBA TV HD

· In addition on December 17, 2009, NBA TV will be available to Digital Cable customers on Channel 108 at no additional charge. NBA TV HD will also be available to HD customers on Channel 1008 at no additional charge. These services are delivered on the SDV system

so they're putting the ifc hd in the 6 dollar movie pack? eeeeeewww ,,,at any rate congrats brighthouse 100 hd channels mission accomplished

so they're putting the ifc hd in the 6 dollar movie pack? eeeeeewww ,,,at any rate congrats brighthouse 100 hd channels mission accomplished

I thought they was having 100 or so hd channels by years end? that dont seem close quiet yet...at least PURE hd channels and not the crapola "hd" channels that air sd content lol...

regardless bright house will get it right...December is usually a great month for random upgrades/updates

I thought they was having 100 or so hd channels by years end? that dont seem close quiet yet...at least PURE hd channels and not the crapola "hd" channels that air sd content lol...

regardless bright house will get it right...December is usually a great month for random upgrades/updates

Id love to find some channels that do not air SD content. The HD channels that air nothing but HD are few and far between.

All BHN can do is offer the channels HD broadcast, they can not control the format.

Hey, it's still a BILLION times better than a few years ago. 2 or 3 years ago it was impossible to find anything with HD programming besides like Mojo/HD-Net..

Yeah, the problem with this HD channel count war is that if a channel has one HD hour per week, it is called an "HD channel."

Ive been saying that for a long time, specially to all the people who were bashing BHN for not having enough HD channels..

Not sure your point, Insider. ALL providers do it, including BHN, so it is an apples to apples comparison...numbers that are misrepresentative for everybody, but in the same direction.

The only way it would not be apples to apples is if one cheated more than another. For example, if one provider said one pgm a week counts as HD channel and another decided not to call it an HD channel unless there was one per day.

What I mean is people kept saying "BHN sucks they dont have enough hd channels etc" When my argument was, what does it matter if they have 100hd channels. When only 10 of them show HD content on a regular basis. Id rather BHN have 10 great hd channels then 100 hd channels that show hardly any hd content.

However BHN has folded, and followed everyone else in the "numbers" game.

you guys are lucky!

What I mean is people kept saying "BHN sucks they dont have enough hd channels etc" When my argument was, what does it matter if they have 100hd channels. When only 10 of them show HD content on a regular basis. Id rather BHN have 10 great hd channels then 100 hd channels that show hardly any hd content.

However BHN has folded, and followed everyone else in the "numbers" game.

I'm of the view that if a network has one specific show in HD with very little else on the network in HD I would still be upset if that one show was a show that can benefit from HD but I couldn't watch it on cable. I would rather have the HD channel availble for the one show in the hopes more content will come in HD. Sometimes the channel itself must be available to a mass amount of customers before the networks can start spending money ramping up HD content. The cable companies along with DirecTV, Dish and FIOS understand this.

The point when the public accepted HDTV in masses along with prices of HDTVs getting low enough to appeal to the masses became the time when the channels have to start showing up even if the content was a few years behind.

I haven't lost my memory when the local networks had hardly any HD content available but like anything else once those local HD channels became available to the masses (this means satellite and cable companies started adding them) we saw massive increases in HD content along with Fox finally switching from EDTV to HDTV which many of us felt could never have happened.

What is going on now for the less major HD networks is exactly what needed to happen for the local networks five years ago. All of these local channels needed to get contracts with the cable companies before content was added. Satellite HD LIL speed that process up by a few years IMO.

I also remember when BHN didn't have ABC, CBS, NBC, UPN and WG. We ended up getting CBS last out of the big four even though at the time CBS had the best picture quality with the most primetime shows in HDTV along with the most sports in HD. The sports HD coverage by CBS at the time was the trademark for showing off HDTV to your friends to entice them to get HDTV. The problem was once they were told they needed to install an antenna because BHN didn't carry CBS HD nor did the satellite companies that was the end of that setting pitch.

Heck I remember when BHN had just HBO HD and Showtime HD along with two local HD networks. That was the entire HD lineup for years so I'm not complaining one bit about BHN adding all of these HD channels even if the content hasn't caught up quite yet.

Id love to find some channels that do not air SD content. The HD channels that air nothing but HD are few and far between.

All BHN can do is offer the channels HD broadcast, they can not control the format.

oh i of course agree, i know it is not bhn problem.

Hey, it's still a BILLION times better than a few years ago. 2 or 3 years ago it was impossible to find anything with HD programming besides like Mojo/HD-Net..

highly agreed :]:rant:lol

Anybody remember when Discovery HD Theater (now called HD Theater) just got added on Dish Network at a cost of 7 bucks a month. Yes a crappy HD channel compared to today's HD channels cost 7+ bucks a month. I'm telling you guys that are just getting into HDTV today you have no idea what it was like for us back in the day. We spent the most money on those HDTV sets and had crappy HD cable boxes and an even crappier selection of HD channels.

Many of you are now just buying your first HDTV sets (32" LCD HDTV for <500 bucks) and can rent an HD DVR for a couple bucks more than an SD DVR. You have all the locals in HDTV along with now over 75 HD channels and soon over 100 HD channels with most of these channels being quality channels with the shows we all want to see. Your now buying into a market that has more more services available compared to not available. Also remember that each of these HD channels also on average has about 60% more of their content available in HDTV compared to say six years ago.

i spent over $1200 for my first hdtv...a 21 inch sony. my last two hdtv's combined have cost less than $500.

I for one, LOVE the term BHN uses in advertising...

"Free HD"

Free, my toulkas!

I for one, LOVE the term BHN uses in advertising...

"Free HD"

Free, my toulkas!


some of us who have directv (myself included as i have both for now) chuckle at those ads. the monthly rental price for an hddvr more than makes up for the ten dollars i give dtv each month for hd access.

some of us who have directv (myself included as i have both for now) chuckle at those ads. the monthly rental price for an hddvr more than makes up for the ten dollars i give dtv each month for hd access.

It is pretty much why I dumped it and just use the QAM tuner to pick up the free HD locals.

some of us who have directv (myself included as i have both for now) chuckle at those ads. the monthly rental price for an hddvr more than makes up for the ten dollars i give dtv each month for hd access.


The price difference between the DVR and HDDVR is less then 3$. That covers the cost difference in the hardware. (You also get a larger harddrive)

So BHN is telling the truth in there advertisement.. The HD service is free. The HD channels are free, you do not pay extra for them. (at least not in the form of an HD charge like say Directv has, they of course include the cost in the base rates)

And iceturkke what about the cost of equipment with Directv? Heck dont you get charged like 5bucks for not having a phone line hooked up?

Heck with Directv you have to pay 10$ for HD service and 6$ for DVR service.. (That does not even include the hardware!!) Sothere is 16$ right there.. The BHN HDDVR can be had for around 9.95$ and that includes the hardware!

Now that 16$ if you get the choice package or above they will give you 1 "free" DDVR But thats only for one TV.. Then you pay 5$ a month to lease the other equipment..

EDITED: To Correct BHN DVR Prices

first, of all, dtv's hard drives are larger than bhn's. my main one can record 100 hours of mpeg4hd.

second, the alleged lease fee is the old mirroring fee, dtrv has had for years. i only pay it for my secondary hddvr.

before, i went back to satellite almost 3 years ago, i was paying around 17 dollars a month to rent one hddvr, which has been the same model for 4 years now.

so, trust me, your hd isn't really free, its a hidden cost.

i don't have phone lines hooked up to either of my dvr's and there is no extra charge for that.

Well mpeg4 records more data on the same space then mpeg2 because of the compression if im not mistaken. Even the the harddrives are the same size. BHNs newest HDDVRS can record over 100 hours of HD as well..

The lease is for the second box which I did mention. The service fee applies to the first one as well though.

BHNS HDDVRs now only cost 9.95, and that includes the HD service. Your spending at minimum 16$ for HDDVR with Directv.. Which was my point that you pay more with dtv.

And nothing is free sweetie, of course the fees are factored into the standard service.. But BHN does not charge an extra fee if you have HD or if you dont have HD, its same price. So thereforce they can claim its "free to upgrade to HD" or "free to get hd channels with your package" etc.. Where as Directv charges 10$ so they cant claim thta.

It must be Dish that does the phone line charge then.

There is not one feature or channel that is free in any way, shape or form.
To suggest such to anyone through advertising, or in this form is an item that one is buying.
You and I know that "free" implies, "do nothing and it is yours free"

Well mpeg4 records more data on the same space then mpeg2 because of the compression if im not mistaken. Even the the harddrives are the same size. BHNs newest HDDVRS can record over 100 hours of HD as well..

The lease is for the second box which I did mention. The service fee applies to the first one as well though.

BHNS HDDVRs now only cost 9.95, and that includes the HD service. Your spending at minimum 16$ for HDDVR with Directv.. Which was my point that you pay more with dtv.

And nothing is free sweetie, of course the fees are factored into the standard service.. But BHN does not charge an extra fee if you have HD or if you dont have HD, its same price. So thereforce they can claim its "free to upgrade to HD" or "free to get hd channels with your package" etc.. Where as Directv charges 10$ so they cant claim thta.

It must be Dish that does the phone line charge then.

i compared prices between bnh's digital package and dtv choice package. with the hd access, the costs are nearly identical....$65 for dtv and $63 and change for bhn.

that's not including the almost ten dollar price for the hddvr plus the price of the digital box which brings that closer to $17.

so you're right, nothing is free including your hd.

btw, i sub to almost every dtv sports package. that access fee enables me to see almost every game being made available in hd, in hd.

and although, i'm not happy that dtv and versus are still in a standoff, i did get my center ice package free this season.

Anybody remember when Discovery HD Theater (now called HD Theater) just got added on Dish Network at a cost of 7 bucks a month. Yes a crappy HD channel compared to today's HD channels cost 7+ bucks a month. I'm telling you guys that are just getting into HDTV today you have no idea what it was like for us back in the day. We spent the most money on those HDTV sets and had crappy HD cable boxes and an even crappier selection of HD channels.
Many of you are now just buying your first HDTV sets (32" LCD HDTV for <500 bucks) and can rent an HD DVR for a couple bucks more than an SD DVR. You have all the locals in HDTV along with now over 75 HD channels and soon over 100 HD channels with most of these channels being quality channels with the shows we all want to see. Your now buying into a market that has more more services available compared to not available. Also remember that each of these HD channels also on average has about 60% more of their content available in HDTV compared to say six years ago.

unless you had VOOM!!! ( while it lasted)

unless you had VOOM!!! ( while it lasted)

Yup that was a good service but they failed by not renting those HD boxes. Plus they were about a year or two early and just couldn't stay alive long enough until HD took off. However your right and while it lasted nobody could beat Voom. Sometimes you can have a great idea with an even better service but just a few mistakes on execution of the plan can cause the entire system to fall and this is what happened to Voom and its a crying shame too.

It is so interesting how just one decision in a business can cause wild success or dismal failure, such as "do we sell these boxes or rent them?" Wrong answer, and you're dead.

And there are hundreds of decisions in executing a business, and they never stop. Even if you hit the right ones at first, things are changing all the time. Maybe you should reallocate your ad budget to a different media. Maybe you should reduce your prices. Maybe you should add something to your product. Maybe you should cancel one product line. Maybe you should buy a competitor. Maybe you should sell a segment.

But don't overpay (by their judgment) your CEO, or congress/president will slap you down.

on all of these new hd channels, what is the percentage that bhn uses on their compression?

some channels that are aired looks superior to those on bhn channels :/ (on same tv)

jw

note for insider....mpeg4 takes less space than mpeg2.

I'm not against overpaying a CEO when they are doing a great job. However when a CEO is getting 50 million while cutting the lower jobs to subpar living wages while also driving the company into losses and making excuse after excuse I must draw the line.

I think this is what the government is trying to stop is companies not following the laws (not paying workers minimum wage, not paying for overtime etc) while the CEO keeps his paycheck and gets away with it. I have a problem with people telling me that a CEO needs to get paid (or feels entitled) 50 million bucks because nobody else can do a good enough job. Honestly these high priced CEOs clearly aren't worth their money because they drove their businesses into the ground by either breaking the laws or not planning ahead.

The government wants to put limits on how much CEOs can make because the USA cannot keep allowing these companies to bankrupt themselves (costing tax payers money by the way) while the CEO gets his 50 million bucks and starts another company. It just goes around in a circle and the only people who benefit in the end are the CEO's themselves who keep getting paid big money while driving the company into the ground and allowing the government to bail them out by discharging the debts of the company which costs each and every tax payer money.

We are off topic, but just this final observation..

Again, it is just ever so interesting how two people can look at the same situation and come up with absolutely opposite what-should-be-done recommendations. Really amazingly interesting.

In the CEO pay thing, you clearly feel the government should control "what is right." I clearly feel it is none of the government's business (addressing below the companies that got TAXPAYER--not government--money). It is the stockholders and director's business--and only their business. Giving the government control of internal decisions in non-government private business is a major step to a non-capitalist economy. Capitalism gave this country a standard of living for a huge proportion of its people that cannot even be contemplated in other forms of economy/government. We move away from this at great peril to our well-being. Government will never restrain itself.

With respect to the companies that got our money, that really muddles the situation--and it should never have happened. If the company was mismanaged, it should have failed. And "it's too big to fail" is malarky. It is such grief that keeps the system honest and working right. Now we have an environment where big business doesn't have to worry about managing itself well. If they do badly, "the taxpayer will cover us." BAD BAD BAD. They should have gone bankrupt. Now the cleaver over their head has been removed.

note for insider....mpeg4 takes less space than mpeg2.


Correct which means you can record more data on the same space then with mpeg2..

If im not mistaken doesnt Directv use mpeg4? So there dvrs could have the same harddrive space as BHN but record more "hours" of stuff.

yes, you can record more hours of mpeg4 than mpeg2. its also higher quality as there is no pixelation with mpeg4.

so they're putting the ifc hd in the 6 dollar movie pack? eeeeeewww ,,,at any rate congrats brighthouse 100 hd channels mission accomplished

Yep too bad their equipment sucks...

i need to call monday and find out if our local offices have the new samsung hd dvr which has the larger hard drive. if they do, i want to get that and return my scientific atlanta hd dvr. anybody know for sure if bhn has the samsung in volusia county?

A new cisco one is coming also.

Its the Guide and usability that prevents me though too...I hate the guide. Ill tell you when I get another TV option that I can deal with Ill be leaving the big one for sure.