Does anyone know if food network is available on any FTA satellites?

It's encrypted, but the only feed I know of is on AMC 10 - C Band.

Ahhh.. I see, thanks.
I was planning to cancel my cable, and this is the only channel my wife watches regularly... It is available on basic cable, I might end up keeping that.

On AMC 10 (4DTV) DC 2 you get the master east and west feed plus HGTV E&W, DIY, Great American County & Fine Living. It costs about $6.00 a month for all of the above. Beats the hell out of cable or pizza prices and picture quality :)

tvropro (http://www.satelliteguys.us/member.php?u=69975)
Thank you so much for your answer. Where can I get more information about these subscription based plans on satellite? (Not Dish/DirecTV) Is it even possible to get my local channels over satellite somehow, or is there a receiver with built in OTA tuner? (is it ATS now?)

NPS - Your One Call Solution - CBAND Satellite Programming C-band (http://www.callnps.com/)

Satellite Receivers C band and 4DTV satellite programming (http://programming-center.net/)

You will need a 4DTV receiver to get that group of channels, and no 4DTV receiver has an OTA tuner, digital or otherwise.

Standalone OTA tuners aren't that expensive really, and for the small investment are worth it, being it is free after that.

On AMC 10 (4DTV) DC 2 you get the master east and west feed plus HGTV E&W, DIY, Great American County & Fine Living. It costs about $6.00 a month for all of the above. Beats the hell out of cable or pizza prices and picture quality :)

I found it, but it doesn't include Food Network. :(
Programming Center offers only these Do-It-Yourself • Food Network E/W
• Fine Living • Great American Country • HGTV E/W for $11.19 or $7.50 if paid annually.

They do have nice packages, but for some reason some of those don't include Food. Do you know what is W5?

NPS has a similar package with limited channels for $14.58/mo when paid annually.

I just spoke to Time Warner, their basic package is $16/mo without the box (it is just local channels 1-13 + Food and HSN).

classicsat (http://www.satelliteguys.us/member.php?u=148596),
Thanks for letting me know. I had no idea about 4DTV.. Do they also require special lnb, etc?
I have my visionsat, which doesn't have OTA tuner built in. So I was hoping I could get both my local OTA channels and the stuff I can subscribe to from the same box. Now that all broadcast is digital, I guess it would have to be ATSC tuner.

As far as the Scripps mini pack look here.

NPS - Your One Call Solution (http://www.callnps.com/782.htm)

I have it on my DSR 922 (4DTV)

If you have a C band dish you can get a 4DTV and sub to this package. It's all uphill with the money you save on C band from then on. :)

As far as the Scripps mini pack look here.

NPS - Your One Call Solution (http://www.callnps.com/782.htm)

I have it on my DSR 922 (4DTV)

If you have a C band dish you can get a 4DTV and sub to this package. It's all uphill with the money you save on C band from then on. :)

I don't know how you got the link for that package, it is not listed on their home page.. :)
So I need one of those huge dishes to receive these channels. :( I live in a two family attached house, I don't think my roof can handle the C-Band dish.

So there is no way for me to get Food Network off the air (subscription) using what I currently have.

You have to look under programming / alacarts. If you can't do a C band dish it don't help. A six foot would work but nothing smaller.

Thanks tvropro, i guess it won't happen for me just yet. I will just pay $16 to time warner, or look for another way to get it, or wait for it to become FTA... :) The thing that's killing me, all the channels in $16 plan is available FTA, most of them in HD, so if I go with TWC, I would actually be paying $16 for Food Network.

Thanks again for all your help, I guess there isn't much else I can grab off my Ku dish.

For your cable price for a month. Im getting the whole Scripps pkg for 3 months. You gotta get a big dish opens up the world.

What is the price and approx weight of a 6' dish?

Polar Mount Style SD180PM Sadoun 180CM Prime focus Satellite Dish (http://www.sadoun.com/Sat/Products/S/Dishes/SD180PM-180CM-Prime-focus-Satellite-Dish-Polar-Mount.htm)

Great, that gives me a pretty good idea. What is your suggested receiver?

If your going with the polor mount and actuator and want to move the dish (best bet) get a DSR-922. There is one for sale in the 4DTV section today:

http://www.satelliteguys.us/4dtv-discussion/197575-4dtv-sale-anyone.html

This is really cool. Which satellite would I have to point to get your Scripps package? Living in a dense city, I have to make sure I have a clear view.
OK, I saw it

Where is the T7 satellite?
Recently the T7 satellite moved to 121°, which is now East of the G0 satellite. To program in T7 at its new location, first point at G0 satellite verify reception on one of your G0 channels. Switch to channel 21, and press Options, 6, 4, 4, and highlight the T7 satellite and press enter. When you bring up the screen that has “Move dish to xxxx” you’ll need to highlight the dish position number on the second line, and decrease it by around 20 or 30 you should start to see a picture come in after you do this you may have to highlight autopeak skew and press enter if you have a signal around 60-100 without a picture. Once you have a good picture you’ll need to press “GO BACK” and then “ENTER” to save it into memory.

According to dishpointer, I may have a problem with T7. :(

This is my current setup, with 97W, I have the clearance, as max height is 60, and as per my calculation the building was about 50ft high:
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/2161/capture97w.jpg

However with T7 it says max height is 46.7ft, which will block my view, even though it is pointed to the far end of the building. :(
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/6215/capture121t7.jpg

Scripps is on C3 (AMC 11) http://www.lyngsat.com/amc11.html Transponder 9 I have my dish living in Chicago on a tall pole alongside my garage and have a clear view of 143W to 43W.

You can see a snapshot of the Food Network master in my photo gallery:

TvroPro's Photo Gallery (http://www.***********************.com/satellite/picture.htm)

tvroprop,
I was really excited when I saw that it was all the way on 131*W, since it would mean pointing past the building, therefore avoiding any obstacle, unfortunately the elevation is way lower than my 97*. :(
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/892/captureiaq.jpg


I see that there is FoodTV on 135*W too, but elevation is even lower!
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9571/capture135.jpg

And I don't see food on any other listing on LyngSat.

PS: How could you mount your C-Band dish on a pole? Isn't Chicago windy enough as it is!? For me to clear the tall building, I would probably need a poll over 12'.

My dishes pole is 18 feet long. I have 6 feet in the ground in concrete. The pole is filled with concrete. It has supported my 12 foot dish for 20 years in winds up to 90 mph.

Here are 2 pictures from my setup to give you an idea of how a long pole works.

Take a good site survey and elevate where needed. Sometimes raising the dish a few feet or pulling back from an offending object can make all the difference in the world. I try to shoot for a full view of the arc when I take site surveys.

BTW the wind in Chicago comes from the politicians not the weather. Thats where the saying comes from.

Wow, that is one big dish. :) My house is 100 years old, there is no way it can hold anything of this volume, the roof is just a flat tar roof. Unless I find another satellite that is at about same elevation as 97W, (which just clears the building) or on a different direction like
145* to 165* or 4* to 71*,
OR
71* to 145* with elevation over 35* to 30* (W to S) , I won't be able to see anything.

Is there a website where I can put the obstacle I have with its height and area, and have it spit out which satellites I can see?

The picture you see is of my garage and 100% of the weight is on the pole not the garage.

Years ago a friend of mine had a 10 foot mesh dish installed on a flat roof of your type. You can also look at an install I did for a client with a 6 foot dish on a flat roof this past summer

There are pictures here :

http://www.satelliteguys.us/4dtv-discussion/169000-w5-fixed-system-6.html

You can also read the whole story here:

http://www.satelliteguys.us/4dtv-discussion/169000-w5-fixed-system.html

May give you some pointers.

But his setup is not on a pole, it is flat on the roof, plus his roof is concrete, not tar like mine here: http://www.satelliteguys.us/free-air-fta-discussion/175392-setting-up-my-visionsat-4.html
In order to get to any one of those I would have to rise it at least 10-15ft high. And with that height, it will be almost impossible for me to adjust the dish while on top of that pole.

The building I am facing is this (I used this when I was determining my eligibility for 97W):
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9594/heightdetermination.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9594/heightdetermination.jpg

His roof is wood with a silver coating on it. It's not concrete. Seems like your not in a good situation to do much. I guess you will be stuck with what you have unless you can put the dish on the neighboring buildings roof and run cables down. I thought getting on your roof would give you clearance of other buildings, it seems like your building is low and the ones around are tall. You must be deep in the urban jungle where your at.

Not everyone can get a good line of site to see all the satellites. Your only other option would be to move. :( Oh well....

tvropro, thanks for all your help and at least we tried...
Meanwhile, I will be reviewing other satellites that I could possibly get a shot at. However, I still need to get another receiver if I need to get C-band broadcast, right?

I still need to get another receiver if I need to get C-band broadcast, right? Your Visionsat should be able to do C Band. Go thru the receiver's Sat List, look for Sats that have Transponders with only have 4 digits: "3720", or if the LNB Freq can be changed to 5150.
For 4DTV signals, you need a 4DTV receiver.

Thanks for the info Lak7.
When looking at C-Band channels/satellites, how do I tell if the broadcast is 4DTV? Is it anything that says "Digicipher" (http://www.lyngsat.com/amc11.html) or is there any other encryption I should be looking for?

I might try this C-Band stuff if I can catch a satellite that is viewable from where I am, but just not with 4DTV yet. I just want to start with FTA that is not on 4DTV first (if any..)

how do I tell if the broadcast is 4DTV?
Good question. Lyngsat does not show which Digicipher signals a 4DTV receiver will get.
A 4DTV receiver downloads (via Satellite) a Channel Map for each Satellite you have set up. So you don't have to try and find where channels are located. You just program the Satellite Locations, and the receiver does the rest. (it's not that easy, but easy once you understand how it works)

An FTA receiver, like your Visionsat, will not get any Digicipher Signals
A 4DTV receiver will get some of those Signals.

Things gets even more exciting as we dig deeper... I guess I will go back to Ku Band dishes and my existing receiver for now. It is a shame there aren't many other satellites that work with smaller dishes out there with good FTA channels.

Good question. Lyngsat does not show which Digicipher signals a 4DTV receiver will get.
A 4DTV receiver downloads (via Satellite) a Channel Map for each Satellite you have set up. So you don't have to try and find where channels are located. You just program the Satellite Locations, and the receiver does the rest. (it's not that easy, but easy once you understand how it works)

An FTA receiver, like your Visionsat, will not get any Digicipher Signals
A 4DTV receiver will get some of those Signals.



Fire up a 4DTV and see what comes in. I can tell probably most of the 4DTV stuff really easy. Another way is look at what NPS & SRL sells it has to work with the 4DTV. To the OP how is your line of sight for W5? If it's okay you could get a DSR 410 and do the HITS only route.

Thanks for the info Lak7.
When looking at C-Band channels/satellites, how do I tell if the broadcast is 4DTV? Is it anything that says "Digicipher" (http://www.lyngsat.com/amc11.html) or is there any other encryption I should be looking for?

I might try this C-Band stuff if I can catch a satellite that is viewable from where I am, but just not with 4DTV yet. I just want to start with FTA that is not on 4DTV first (if any..)

Actually Lyngsat does show the 4DTV's virtual channel number in "red". It's under
"ONID-TID audio" in the link you posted above.

To the OP how is your line of sight for W5?
If it's okay you could get a DSR 410 and do the HITS only route.

If W5 is at 105W, it may or may not clear:
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/2731/capturexo.jpg

Is DSR410 receiver? When I search for HITS, it seems like Comcast package, but there is no pricing/signup info.

If W5 is at 105W, it may or may not clear:
Can you get Ku from 105?

I would have to lose my 97 signal to check that. :(
I know it sounds like I am lazy, but it took me really long time to get this signal right, and I already sold my signal meter. :o Is it possible to check it with DirecTV dish? I have two on my roof from previous tenants.

OK guys, I may try this because I think I can just raise the dish about 5 feet high on a simple frame.

Based on these two pages, I can probably get a signal on these two AMC4 and AMC18, more likely on AMC4.
TV - Food Network - LyngSat Address (http://www.lyngsat-address.com/df/Food-Network.html)
AMC 4 (http://www.lyngsat.com/amc4.html) (HITS Quantum (http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/hitsamc4.html)) 101W

TV - Food Network HD - LyngSat Address (http://www.lyngsat-address.com/df/Food-Network-HD.html)
AMC 18 (http://www.lyngsat.com/amc18.html) (HITS Quantum (http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/hitsamc18.html)) 105W

But the question is how do I sign up for HITS Quantum and subscribe?

OK guys, I may try this because I think I can just raise the dish about 5 feet high on a simple frame.

Based on these two pages, I can probably get a signal on these two AMC4 and AMC18, more likely on AMC4.
TV - Food Network - LyngSat Address (http://www.lyngsat-address.com/df/Food-Network.html)
AMC 4 (http://www.lyngsat.com/amc4.html) (HITS Quantum (http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/hitsamc4.html)) 101W

TV - Food Network HD - LyngSat Address (http://www.lyngsat-address.com/df/Food-Network-HD.html)
AMC 18 (http://www.lyngsat.com/amc18.html) (HITS Quantum (http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/hitsamc18.html)) 105W

But the question is how do I sign up for HITS Quantum and subscribe?

Unless your a headend you can't subscribe to those feeds. You can get the consumer HITS channels using a DSR 410 from Skyvision. But they don't include the food network. The only one you can subscribe to is on 131 W AMC 11.

DSR-410 Digital Programming (http://www.skyvision.com/store/dsr410.html)

I see, nope, I am not an headend. Thanks for all the help everyone.