I recieved my used 505 and the lnb that Iceberg suggested for my channelmaster 36" elliptical dish that I was talking about in a previous thread.

Hooked everything up, but I cannot get any signal to show up in the tuning screen. I have a cheapie sat meter, and it is blaring away in the vicinity where I should find it, but nothing on the reciever, stays in the red and signal at 20-24. I have put in the 4128 EMM code as well.

I have never had an issue with Dish or Bell sats, but this is driving me crazy! I messed around for an hour, picked up all sorts of signals with the meter. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

I recieved my used 505 and the lnb that Iceberg suggested for my channelmaster 36" elliptical dish that I was talking about in a previous thread.

Hooked everything up, but I cannot get any signal to show up in the tuning screen. I have a cheapie sat meter, and it is blaring away in the vicinity where I should find it, but nothing on the reciever, stays in the red and signal at 20-24. I have put in the 4128 EMM code as well.

I have never had an issue with Dish or Bell sats, but this is driving me crazy! I messed around for an hour, picked up all sorts of signals with the meter. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

1. What numbers are you using to point? Cape Coral is near Fort Myers (love it down there, I'm jealous!), and according to Mike Kohl's site, you should be at 45.2 and 231.3 for 111W (F2)

2. What channel are you using on the 505 to tune? For 111W, I used 711. Your problem may be that you are using a channel on F1 to tune F2.

3. If neither of those ideas help, try moving the dish one or two satellites to the west of where you are pointing, then to the east. My experience with installing was that 107 was VERY easy to find, 111 took some finesse. Eventually to get 111, I pointed at 107, then using the cheapie meter, moved to the right till I got to 111, then focused it with the meter on the receiver.

Hope this helps. Good luck!

I am using the numbers from Mikes site. I have it on channel 299, then went through the options screen to bring up the meter. I will try channel 711.

I have the dish scew at 134, but is this really needed if I only want the one bird?

299 is on AnikF1

Channels on F2 are 711, 700, 559, 420

You may not need to skew the dish but you do need to skew the LNB. If you can skew the dish do that. It gives more signal to reflect to the LNB

So, if I understand correctly, you have to put in on one of those channels before you go through the options to the satellite tuning screen. What has been frustrating is that I guess I haven't even locked on F1 when it has been on channel 299.

I can't skew the lnb. On Mike's site the skew is shown as 134, which is how I have the dish.
From many previous threads I have read, it sounds like the 505 sat meter is very slow to respond. I can't see my tv from where I am mounting, but I can turn up the volume to hear the tone outside. Will it change in pitch and still beep in pauses, or become a continuous tone?

From many previous threads I have read, it sounds like the 505 sat meter is very slow to respond. I can't see my tv from where I am mounting, but I can turn up the volume to hear the tone outside. Will it change in pitch and still beep in pauses, or become a continuous tone?

not very slow, only about a 5-10 second delay. when you lock on, the duration of the tone prolongs with higher signal and I believe the pitch is higher.

You may also want to invest in a cheap analog 13" TV to bring out to your dish so you can see the meter. When I did my install in 2008, I was having such a hard time localizing, I was getting frustrated, so I called Mike, spoke to Laurel (his wife) who recommended taking the tv outside to see, and within 2 minutes, I was locked on.

So, if I understand correctly, you have to put in on one of those channels before you go through the options to the satellite tuning screen.

That is correct, you need to have the receiver on a channel that is coming from the satellite you are trying to find.

Like Frenchophile said, get a TV of some sort out to help you. I can't imagine trying to find a satellite without a TV/monitor or a sat finder on a first time setup. Even a computer monitor that has a composite video & audio connection is an option.

When you use your "cheapie sat meter", where are you physically?....at the dish?

And where is your receiver located when it shows no signal?......inside your house?

If such is the case, could it be possible that you have a bad connection between the location of the "cheapie sat meter" and the receiver? A bad or rusted connection downstream of the meter location will prevent any power from going up to the dish and any signal from getting to the receiver. This might explain why you get a signal on your meter but none at the receiver........?

When you use your "cheapie sat meter", where are you physically?....at the dish?

And where is your receiver located when it shows no signal?......inside your house?

If such is the case, could it be possible that you have a bad connection between the location of the "cheapie sat meter" and the receiver? A bad or rusted connection downstream of the meter location will prevent any power from going up to the dish and any signal from getting to the receiver. This might explain why you get a signal on your meter but none at the receiver........?

I'm at the dish with the meter, the reciever is in the house. The cable should be fine since this is what I just disconnected from my Bell setup.

I could bring a reciever and tv out. The only thing holding me back is I just installed this in my HT rack, and it is a PITA pulling everything out of there to get the reciever out. Had I known what a hard time I was going to have, I wouldn't have put it in my rack so soon!

not very slow, only about a 5-10 second delay. when you lock on, the duration of the tone prolongs with higher signal and I believe the pitch is higher.

You may also want to invest in a cheap analog 13" TV to bring out to your dish so you can see the meter. When I did my install in 2008, I was having such a hard time localizing, I was getting frustrated, so I called Mike, spoke to Laurel (his wife) who recommended taking the tv outside to see, and within 2 minutes, I was locked on.

As I mentioned in the previous reply, if I don't find it within a few minutes on channel 711, I think I'll just bite the bullet, and yank it out of my rack and take it outside.

I'm at the dish with the meter, the reciever is in the house. The cable should be fine since this is what I just disconnected from my Bell setup.

I could bring a reciever and tv out. The only thing holding me back is I just installed this in my HT rack, and it is a PITA pulling everything out of there to get the reciever out. Had I known what a hard time I was going to have, I wouldn't have put it in my rack so soon!

What happens when you connect the "cheapie" in place of the receiver inside the house.....signal or no?

Just another thought.....

Are you sure you have set the elevation angle correctly? I have read of instances where those attempting to install a standard Shaw dish have misunderstood where the "mark" is located on the dish for properly setting the elevation. Is it possible you have a similar situation?

If the elevation is incorrect, you may ultimately intercept a satellite as your rotate the dish in azimuth, which will show as a signal on your cheapie meter, but will, in fact, be the wrong satellite.

Also, first check to make sure your mast is plumb. Your elevation setting, though seemingly correct on the dish, will be meaningless if the mast is tilted.

My mast is plumb, and I took everyones advice and dragged a TV out. Fortunately, I found some 40 foot cable so I didn't have to completely remove my reciever. So outside I go.

Hopefully, I'll get lucky soon. Once I do get a signal, I assume I should get a picture when I exit out of the tuner menu on channels 559 or 711.

I assume I should get a picture when I exit out of the tuner menu on channels 559 or 711.

You will get a picture even in the tuner menu once you have found the signal. Go gettem tiger! :up

If you get it working you can watch Styx and Glass Tiger in Niagra Falls to bring in the new year, and also watch the Canadian Juniors beat the US tonight. :)

Well, had to pack it in for today. I got a signal of 75, but no picture in the tuner menu. The channel number in the tuner menu showed 000. Shouldn't it have stayed on the channel I went into the options menu with?

Oh well, now it will be my New Years project. :)

Well, had to pack it in for today. I got a signal of 75, but no picture in the tuner menu. I guess I must have been on the wrong bird.

Now it will be my New Years project. :)

Just change channels, like 299, to see if you are on the other bird with a picture. Yes the channel number should have stayed I believe.

I recieved my used 505


You didn't state.....have you had this unit authorized by Shaw? If not, I don't believe you will receive a picture on either 599 (EWTN) or 711 (TVA Montreal).

If you receiver IS authorized, ignore the rest of this post......

If your receiver is not authorized, I believe you need to set the receiver to 299 to do the authorization. The catch-22 is that 299 is on F1R (only). (My system is pointed at F2 only, as I'm assuming yours is, and there is no signal being received on 299 [indicator is red] and hence no picture.) My understanding from other posts is that you would first have to point at F1R, tune to 299, call Shaw to authorize, and ONCE AUTHORIZED then repoint at F2.

Perhaps someone else would confirm this? My unit was purchased pre-authorized by the vendor, so I'm not speaking from experience on the authorization procedure.

Well, rainy day in SW Florida, so no dish playing today.

It is not a virgin unit, I bought it used. I thought they only had to be authorized if they have never been in the stream, but as Joshuals said, can someone confirm this?

Thanks and Happy New Year everyone!

Well, rainy day in SW Florida, so no dish playing today.

It is not a virgin unit, I bought it used. I thought they only had to be authorized if they have never been in the stream, but as Joshuals said, can someone confirm this?

Thanks and Happy New Year everyone!
it has to be authorized...an unauthorized box will receive /A\ccess, Knowledge BC, and a few radio stations, all on F1

are you sure?

I have a 205 that was previously authorized (not anymore as I upgraded to 505) and I still use that receiver to tweak the dish for F2. I have 111.1 boresight and 107.3 on a 4 footer (dish on right)

I have a 205 that was previously authorized (not anymore as I upgraded to 505) and I still use that receiver to tweak the dish for F2.


After you upgraded to the 505, you STILL get channels on the 205 that were part of your programming package......?!?! I'm not sure I understand why. Please explain this to me.

I CAN understand that you could still use the 205's signal meter, even if the unit is not authorized.

And, I could understand your receiving 299 (the Shaw Info Channel that is used to download the channel map BEFORE authorization) on the 205 because you have the luxury of having 2 lnb's, but if I understood the OP correctly, he wanted to use only 1 lnb pointed at F2 only, in which case, IMHO (and based on my similar setup), he will not receive. I think this will present a problem, which I described in a previous post.

Perhaps it would be helpful for the OP to read the Star Choice do-it-yourself installation information on Kusat's website....I'm not sure how up-to-date it is, but it does give information about what can be expected from an unauthorized receiver. And, again, this website presumes you are going to get signals from BOTH satellites.

After you upgraded to the 505, you STILL get channels on the 205 that were part of your programming package......?!?! I'm not sure I understand why. Please explain this to me.
no. I only get the freebies which are 351, 354, 392, 393 (Access, Knowledge, Shopping and BC Leg)...those are free for any reciever (also called zero key). Rest say sub only



And, I could understand your receiving 299 (the Shaw Info Channel that is used to download the channel map BEFORE authorization) on the 205 because you have the luxury of having 2 lnb's, but if I understood the OP correctly, he wanted to use only 1 lnb pointed at F2 only, in which case, IMHO (and based on my similar setup), he will not receive. I think this will present a problem, which I described in a previous post.

But my setup is 2 separate LNB's with a 22k switch...not the quad LNB
So I tap into the 111.1 LNB only to aim. I dial up 711 or 750 (RDS) and watch the ebno number when I aim the dish. The channels are still logged into the receiver. I just get a "you need to call to subscribe" on the screen

Ok, I have a green 70 signal on what I believe is F1 since the sat led on the reciever is green, however, channel 299 still has no picture. If I switch to 559, the sat led on the reciever goes red.

I guess I'll call to authorize and see what happens.

what happens when you select 354? Light should stay green

what is the ebno #?
options 6-4-7 line C shows it

Ok, what a day of frustration! I ended up calling to authorize. Within minutes, picture came on 299. Waited about 20 minutes, guide still showed No Data, but I decided to adjust to 111 and put it on channel 711. Have a green signal of about 65, so I think great, I'm in business. Go to change it to CBCHD on 300, no picture. LED is green, go to signal strength, and this is the weird part, it is at 75 but still yellow.

Did I not wait long enough for the data to populate before my excitement to switch to the bird got the best of me? And why would the signal meter still be yellow?

Ice, the EBNO # is 7.2 on channel 711, 3.7 on channel 300.

CBCHD is 292, not 300

7.2 should be fine....could be a little higher though

when you have only one satellite you're going to use (like 111.1) anytime you go to a channel that has the same parameters on both satellites you will get a green light but no picture and wrong info on guide. I've done that a few times

CBCHD is 292, not 300

It's channel 300 with the advanced list.

7.2 should be fine....could be a little higher though

I will have to fine tune it. I put it on CTVHD and I got a picture there, ebno is 4.8, with a 80 signal strength on a yellow bar. So I guess the yellow bar isn't an issue, but I need to get at least to 80.

Does anyone know what channel is on the weakest tp that I could fine tune too?

CTVHD is on 107W TP #13. SportsNet East HD & Big10 HD is on the same transponder.

If you want 111W you will have to move the dish 4 degrees West.

The only TP I have a problem with is #10 on 107W which has TheScore HD, AMC HD & Golf HD. The rest on 107W and 111W are not much different for me. For SD channels you will want to get and Ecb over 9.0 and for HD channels you will want an Ecb over 7.0 to avoid microblocking and bad rain fade. FYI, TP10 & TP13 are the only HD TPs on 107W.

It's channel 300 with the advanced list.

is 711 the same on both lists?

is 711 the same on both lists?

Yes they left the french channels (700 section) alone for the most part.

oh ok...thats right...the new subs get the new channel maps

Yes, new subs and if you call and ask. I got mine changed over to the advanced list. It isn't perfect either, but it is a little better to me than the classic list.

CTVHD is on 107W TP #13. SportsNet East HD & Big10 HD is on the same transponder.

If you want 111W you will have to move the dish 4 degrees West.

The only TP I have a problem with is #10 on 107W which has TheScore HD, AMC HD & Golf HD. The rest on 107W and 111W are not much different for me. For SD channels you will want to get and Ecb over 9.0 and for HD channels you will want an Ecb over 7.0 to avoid microblocking and bad rain fade. FYI, TP10 & TP13 are the only HD TPs on 107W.

I just realized this QCK, I thought I had locked onto 111, but I must be inbetween. That must explain my yellow signal bar for the channels on 111. It just threw me off having a signal of 80, which was higher than my initial lock on 107.

I think I'll listen to Iceberg, and just fine tune on with the ECB screen, as he's mentioned in many previous threads.

Yes, use the Ecb, it is a much better reference to go by for adjusting your dish.

I also didn't realize that a few HD channels were on 107.

I'm going up to Canada in a couple of weeks, I think I may just pick up a 75 Quad while I'm there. That way I'll get all the channels I'm paying for. And since I was going to use this for tailgating occasionally, after seeing how precise you have to aim for Ku signals, I'm not going to want to touch it. I'll use the one I have now, and leave my home setup alone.

I just want to say thanks to every one who has helped me out here.

Yes, use the Ecb, it is a much better reference to go by for adjusting your dish.
How does one get the Ecb screen? I know of only one way to see the value, it's part of a general system status, but don't recall the remote sequence off the top of my head. I'm at work right now.

How does one get the Ecb screen?

Options 6 - 4 - 7. It is right beside the regular signal strength value.

Ordered the quad from Kusat and am having it delivered to my folks.

Put it on the plane for the trip back, I have 2 free checked bags allowed, and am only bringing one. $25 shipping to my parents is a heck of a lot less than the $105 plus brokerage fees if I had it shipped to Florida!

Hmmm......If you think of it, I'd appreciate hearing how the quad is packaged, that is, the size/shape of the package. I might try bringing one back from Quebec when I go for the summer. It would have to fit in the back of a Honda Pilot....along with three months-worth of luggage.......

Hmmm......If you think of it, I'd appreciate hearing how the quad is packaged, that is, the size/shape of the package. I might try bringing one back from Quebec when I go for the summer. It would have to fit in the back of a Honda Pilot....along with three months-worth of luggage.......

No problem. I'm going up on the 12th and coming back on the 18th.

The quad is in a pretty small box about the size of the LNB ;)

$25 shipping to my parents is a heck of a lot less than the $105 plus brokerage fees if I had it shipped to Florida


Hmmm....pretty steep for a box about the size of an lnb.......:eek:

I guess I'd be better off to buy another generic lnb, along with some hose clamps and rubber bands.....:rolleyes:

FYI, the 75E dish & lnb come in a box approx. 33" x 32" x 7.25".

Just to finish off this thread, brought the 75E home, size of the box is just as QCK described. TSA cleared it, ha ha.

Just finished installing, and locking in to both sats in a matter of minutes with signals of 88 and 90. Had a lot of experience and help from everyone the first time I tried. :) The settings from www.global-cm.net were spot on.

Thanks again everybody!

Excellent, thanks for the update. Now you have Cherry in HD! :up