Motorola is ending the search for a buyer for its set top box and networking business, because it cannot find anyone willing to pay enough for the unit.

Yet another indication that they think too highly of themselves. Such arrogance and poor business decisions have made them the company they are today.....:rolleyes: I'm sure someone would take the reins (or at least the DCII license) if offered for a reasonable price.
Apparently someone failed to circulate the memo that they MUST share the marketplace. Something big M has never been very good at.

Sounds like apple computers with their death grip style control over their products and inflated prices.

Sounds like apple computers with their death grip style control over their products and inflated prices.

Apple got products that people want and love. :D

I am an Apple convert. I wish I have done that way earlier. Would have saved me a lot of hair on my head from the headaches with Windows and how slow it is.

Apple got products that people want and love. :D

I am an Apple convert. I wish I have done that way earlier. Would have saved me a lot of hair on my head from the headaches with Windows and how slow it is.

I prefer Linux. :p

I like Linux as well. Anything by the dreaded beast.;)

I prefer Linux. :p

linux and apples osx are both unix based os's. and definately race car fast compared to winbloat.

crackt out,.

I had apple computers for a long time but my next computers is gonna be a windows mahine running linux probably.
Because the reason I bought apple is because u could go with their computers for a long time you could just buy a new processor drop it in and you're good to go.
But now they,ve gone like windows.
They changed thy're cpus from Motorola to Intel just like the pc's so people throw away their macs and go RUN and buy a new one.
PLus they made their new iPOds USB 2.0 ONLY so if you have an older computer THROW IT AWAY AND RUN TO BUY A NEW ONE.
I have an Apple G5 with dual 2.0ghz and and I can't find any software for this thing because every new apple software only works on Intel chips.
So I need to throw it away and go buy their i MAC that can't support ANY KIND OF UPGRADE so everytime I want to upgrade I throw it away and buy the next newer one

I had apple computers for a long time but my next computers is gonna be a windows mahine running linux probably.
Because the reason I bought apple is because u could go with their computers for a long time you could just buy a new processor drop it in and you're good to go.
But now they,ve gone like windows.
They changed thy're cpus from Motorola to Intel just like the pc's so people throw away their macs and go RUN and buy a new one.
PLus they made their new iPOds USB 2.0 ONLY so if you have an older computer THROW IT AWAY AND RUN TO BUY A NEW ONE.
I have an Apple G5 with dual 2.0ghz and and I can't find any software for this thing because every new apple software only works on Intel chips.
So I need to throw it away and go buy their i MAC that can't support ANY KIND OF UPGRADE so everytime I want to upgrade I throw it away and buy the next newer one

There are Linux distro's that will run on that old Moto proc :)

Echostar should buy them... That would give them the in they need in the cable world, and it will allow them to bring their Slingloaded technology into millions of homes.

Echostar should buy them... That would give them the in they need in the cable world, and it will allow them to bring their Slingloaded technology into millions of homes.

If Echostar bought them the first thing Charlie would do is kill the 4DTV for good. Not good for c band subscribers. :( Better someone else not related to mini dishes get them.

Unless we could convince charlie that CBand would be a good investment. He has cband roots. Couldn't be too hard, especially if we could get Scott to lobby for us. :D :)

If Echostar bought them the first thing Charlie would do is kill the 4DTV for good. Not good for c band subscribers. :( Better someone else not related to mini dishes get them. Motorola did a good enough job of killing 4DTV themselves without Charlies help.

Motorola did a good enough job of killing 4DTV themselves without Charlies help.

I agree Scott, but Charlie used all kind of dirty tricks on c band subscribers to get them over to dish network, when he bought out Superstar, Netlink, & Turnervision. That by itself probably took away 60% of the subscribers. If he acquired the STB division it's all over for us I would think. Why would he keep us around? We need someone like Cisco that would be receptive to us.

If Echostar bought them the first thing Charlie would do is kill the 4DTV for good. Not good for c band subscribers. :( Better someone else not related to mini dishes get them.

EXACTLY!


Unless we could convince charlie that CBand would be a good investment. He has cband roots. Couldn't be too hard, especially if we could get Scott to lobby for us. :D :)

Yeah, the good investment part (for Dish) would be to buy up the competition (in this case a superior PQ + lower priced, PITA to him service) and shut it down.
Dare I mention VOOM, TIVO copyright infringement, alleged complicity in NDS CAM reverse engineering (although that sword cuts two ways) and I'd love to look him in the eye and ask him if an 010 board means anything to him..........

Yes good very investment..............

Yes Scott, your are correct Big M has abandoned the consumer DCII users, or more accurately has neglected us like the proverbial red headed step child because we are an insignifcant market share in the grand scheme of things.

I'd have to say Motorola is thinking with a forked brain. One side see the consumer C band division as old, archaic and not "with it" compared to the new tech of today. The other side will not give up it's control over it's intelectual property, typical Motorola mentality. Both trains of thought are in direct conflict business wise, and equally detrimental to the survival of the 4DTV/DCII service.

Yeah, the good investment part (for Dish) would be to buy up the competition (in this case a superior PQ + lower priced, PITA to him service) and shut it down.
Dare I mention VOOM, TIVO copyright infringement, alleged complicity in NDS CAM reverse engineering (although that sword cuts two ways) and I'd love to look him in the eye and ask him if an 010 board means anything to him..........

Yes good very investment..............


Very good points. Charlie plays dirty pool to get what he wants. Including his hand in Piracy with the VC-2. Why... for a buck and to kill off the competition.




Yes Scott, your are correct Big M has abandoned the consumer DCII users, or more accurately has neglected us like the proverbial red headed step child because we are an insignifcant market share in the grand scheme of things.

I'd have to say Motorola is thinking with a forked brain. One side see the consumer C band division as old, archaic and not "with it" compared to the new tech of today. The other side will not give up it's control over it's intelectual property, typical Motorola mentality. Both trains of thought are in direct conflict business wise, and equally detrimental to the survival of the 4DTV/DCII service.Motorola is a screwup for sure, too bad GI still didn't own the STB division. I would have to bet the DSR 924 would have been made. Wonder if Motorola has any prototype papers in their possession for that proposed receiver?

If I understand it correctly the Starchoice series DSRs are the next evolution of the 4DTV IRDs but only for the Starchoice system. I would think that having Shaw make a bid to adopt it's stateside cousins would make the most sense. The IRDs should be similar enough to adapt to the US side of DCII and there is no direct conflict so no need to snuff out the service. They could draft the same (or better) arrangement with US DCII content providers as NPS et al, and let Mike peddle his pizza pans unburdened by the stigma of C band.:rolleyes:
They have or have access to an equivalant to the ACC for their services..........

4DTV has been fending for itself for so long that outside of potential warranty issues for the new IRDs, supportwise we shouldnt be a lot of trouble.

I wonder if it has even been seriously considered................

The only way something could happen for our benefit is all the cards would have to fall into place. Someone would have to take a chance on us. I don't think the problem is something couldn't get built it's currently Motorola don't want to deal with a small change job. They are so arrogant and greedy that if you don't give them a megabuck job they don't want to do business with you. If a more friendly company could buy or take over the 4DTV division I think something would be done. If Motorola don't want to deal with us why don't the license the technology to a third party to make the boxes for us?

Years ago I subbed with Netlink. They tried so hard to get me to switch and went so far as to call me to tell me I could keep losing channels if I didn't switch as a scare tactic. Back then Dish only had about 30 channels as it was. :confused: I bet many C banders fell for it.

This is one of the reasons I feel NPS aka All American Direct is too close to Charlie E. They look to sell whatever they can while on the phone with them.

Computer is a computer. I use both Windoze and crApple in my line of work.

My newest puter is an custom built unit that has 3 OSs (Win/Linux/Hackintosh)


I had apple computers for a long time but my next computers is gonna be a windows mahine running linux probably.
Because the reason I bought apple is because u could go with their computers for a long time you could just buy a new processor drop it in and you're good to go.
But now they,ve gone like windows.
They changed thy're cpus from Motorola to Intel just like the pc's so people throw away their macs and go RUN and buy a new one.
PLus they made their new iPOds USB 2.0 ONLY so if you have an older computer THROW IT AWAY AND RUN TO BUY A NEW ONE.
I have an Apple G5 with dual 2.0ghz and and I can't find any software for this thing because every new apple software only works on Intel chips.
So I need to throw it away and go buy their i MAC that can't support ANY KIND OF UPGRADE so everytime I want to upgrade I throw it away and buy the next newer one

Years ago I subbed with Netlink. They tried so hard to get me to switch and went so far as to call me to tell me I could keep losing channels if I didn't switch as a scare tactic. Back then Dish only had about 30 channels as it was. :confused: I bet many C banders fell for it.

Superstar did the same thing to me, every cband bill I got they peddled dish network, I was unaware Charlie owned them at the time, makes sense now.

This is one of the reasons I feel NPS aka All American Direct is too close to Charlie E. They look to sell whatever they can while on the phone with them.

When I signed back up for cband service, after I got the hit, the NPS salesperson transferred me to someone else trying to sell me cellular dsl service, but only after she tried to sell me a pvr. She was through with me once she had cc info, or so it seemed. I am happy with 4dtv sub, but their sales department could stand some customer service training...

That IS their training to hawk everything they have. If they dont they either dont get paid (commission) or dont last very long (fired), maybe both.
The several times I spoke to sales reps at NPS they were very polite but you could tell they had a call "checksheet" to follow.

After answering that I'm satisfied with my cell and 'net SP, business politely concluded.
When offered the LSD option, I did always make it a point to hammer home the concept that I am a C bander, that the DBS PQ quality sucks by comparison, and anyone who ever saw the difference would dump the pizza dish and switch to C band.

I recall from a post I read that Ice is (was?) in the Telephone Customer Service/Support field or something similar. Having experience in an associated field, he prolly has an insider's view of the expectations of a sales rep's demeanor and "duties".

I am also happy with my 4DTV sub at least you can sub to what you want without paying for channels that i will never watch