SatelliteGuys.US DishNetwork Uplink Activity Report - 2/8/2010 9:46pm - 34 changes

Uplink Comparison Range: 02/08/2010 01:21A - 02/08/2010 09:46P

Channel Additions:
4135 - TMP64 [MPEG4 HD] added to Ciel-2 129W TP 20 ConUS beam (http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php?search=dn129&sub=true&beamMap=CIEL2_CONUS.jpg&sort=TP&order=) (NA)
4135 - TMP64 [MPEG4 HD] added to Nimiq5 72.7W TP 03 ConUS beam (http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php?search=dn72&sub=true&beamMap=NIMIQ5_72.jpg&sort=TP&order=) (NA)
4204 - TMP10 [MPEG4 HD] added to Ciel-2 129W TP 23 ConUS beam (http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php?search=dn129&sub=true&beamMap=CIEL2_CONUS.jpg&sort=TP&order=) (NA)
4204 - TMP10 [MPEG4 HD] added to Nimiq5 72.7W TP 32 ConUS beam (http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php?search=dn72&sub=true&beamMap=NIMIQ5_72.jpg&sort=TP&order=) (NA)
5308 - TMP64 [MPEG4 HD] added to Ciel-2 129W TP 20 ConUS beam (http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php?search=dn129&sub=true&beamMap=CIEL2_CONUS.jpg&sort=TP&order=) (NA)
5308 - TMP64 [MPEG4 HD] added to Nimiq5 72.7W TP 03 ConUS beam (http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php?search=dn72&sub=true&beamMap=NIMIQ5_72.jpg&sort=TP&order=) (NA)
5316 - TMP13 [MPEG4 HD] added to Ciel-2 129W TP 18 ConUS beam (http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php?search=dn129&sub=true&beamMap=CIEL2_CONUS.jpg&sort=TP&order=) (NA)
5316 - TMP13 [MPEG4 HD] added to Nimiq5 72.7W TP 32 ConUS beam (http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php?search=dn72&sub=true&beamMap=NIMIQ5_72.jpg&sort=TP&order=) (NA)
9430 - TMP10 [MPEG4 HD] added to Ciel-2 129W TP 23 ConUS beam (http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php?search=dn129&sub=true&beamMap=CIEL2_CONUS.jpg&sort=TP&order=) (NA)
9430 - TMP10 [MPEG4 HD] added to Nimiq5 72.7W TP 32 ConUS beam (http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php?search=dn72&sub=true&beamMap=NIMIQ5_72.jpg&sort=TP&order=) (NA)
9447 - TMP13 [MPEG4 HD] added to Ciel-2 129W TP 18 ConUS beam (http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php?search=dn129&sub=true&beamMap=CIEL2_CONUS.jpg&sort=TP&order=) (NA)
9447 - TMP13 [MPEG4 HD] added to Nimiq5 72.7W TP 32 ConUS beam (http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php?search=dn72&sub=true&beamMap=NIMIQ5_72.jpg&sort=TP&order=) (NA)
9450 - TMP64 [MPEG4 HD] added to Ciel-2 129W TP 20 ConUS beam (http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php?search=dn129&sub=true&beamMap=CIEL2_CONUS.jpg&sort=TP&order=) (NA)
9450 - TMP64 [MPEG4 HD] added to Nimiq5 72.7W TP 03 ConUS beam (http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php?search=dn72&sub=true&beamMap=NIMIQ5_72.jpg&sort=TP&order=) (NA)
9512 - TMP58 [MPEG4 HD] added to Ciel-2 129W TP 20 ConUS beam (http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php?search=dn129&sub=true&beamMap=CIEL2_CONUS.jpg&sort=TP&order=) (NA)
9512 - TMP58 [MPEG4 HD] added to Nimiq5 72.7W TP 03 ConUS beam (http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php?search=dn72&sub=true&beamMap=NIMIQ5_72.jpg&sort=TP&order=) (NA)

Channel Removals:
4135 - TMP10 (NA) removed from Ciel-2 129W TP 23 ConUS beam (http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php?search=dn129&sub=true&beamMap=CIEL2_CONUS.jpg&sort=TP&order=)
4135 - TMP10 (NA) removed from Nimiq5 72.7W TP 32 ConUS beam (http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php?search=dn72&sub=true&beamMap=NIMIQ5_72.jpg&sort=TP&order=)
4204 - TMP64 (NA) removed from Ciel-2 129W TP 20 ConUS beam (http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php?search=dn129&sub=true&beamMap=CIEL2_CONUS.jpg&sort=TP&order=)
4204 - TMP64 (NA) removed from Nimiq5 72.7W TP 03 ConUS beam (http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php?search=dn72&sub=true&beamMap=NIMIQ5_72.jpg&sort=TP&order=)
5308 - TMP10 (NA) removed from Ciel-2 129W TP 23 ConUS beam (http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php?search=dn129&sub=true&beamMap=CIEL2_CONUS.jpg&sort=TP&order=)
5308 - TMP10 (NA) removed from Nimiq5 72.7W TP 32 ConUS beam (http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php?search=dn72&sub=true&beamMap=NIMIQ5_72.jpg&sort=TP&order=)
5316 - TMP58 (NA) removed from Ciel-2 129W TP 20 ConUS beam (http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php?search=dn129&sub=true&beamMap=CIEL2_CONUS.jpg&sort=TP&order=)
5316 - TMP58 (NA) removed from Nimiq5 72.7W TP 03 ConUS beam (http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php?search=dn72&sub=true&beamMap=NIMIQ5_72.jpg&sort=TP&order=)
9430 - TMP64 (NA) removed from Ciel-2 129W TP 20 ConUS beam (http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php?search=dn129&sub=true&beamMap=CIEL2_CONUS.jpg&sort=TP&order=)
9430 - TMP64 (NA) removed from Nimiq5 72.7W TP 03 ConUS beam (http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php?search=dn72&sub=true&beamMap=NIMIQ5_72.jpg&sort=TP&order=)
9447 - TMP58 (NA) removed from Ciel-2 129W TP 20 ConUS beam (http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php?search=dn129&sub=true&beamMap=CIEL2_CONUS.jpg&sort=TP&order=)
9447 - TMP58 (NA) removed from Nimiq5 72.7W TP 03 ConUS beam (http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php?search=dn72&sub=true&beamMap=NIMIQ5_72.jpg&sort=TP&order=)
9450 - TMP10 (NA) removed from Ciel-2 129W TP 23 ConUS beam (http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php?search=dn129&sub=true&beamMap=CIEL2_CONUS.jpg&sort=TP&order=)
9450 - TMP10 (NA) removed from Nimiq5 72.7W TP 32 ConUS beam (http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php?search=dn72&sub=true&beamMap=NIMIQ5_72.jpg&sort=TP&order=)
9512 - TMP13 (NA) removed from Ciel-2 129W TP 18 ConUS beam (http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php?search=dn129&sub=true&beamMap=CIEL2_CONUS.jpg&sort=TP&order=)
9512 - TMP13 (NA) removed from Nimiq5 72.7W TP 32 ConUS beam (http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php?search=dn72&sub=true&beamMap=NIMIQ5_72.jpg&sort=TP&order=)

Channel Renames:
9645(99) - TAXES - EchoStar11 110W TP 10 ConUS beam (http://www.satelliteguys.us/thelist/index.php?search=dn110&sub=true&beamMap=E11_CONUS.jpg&sort=TP&order=) renamed to ABRVA (A)
9645(99) - TAXES - EchoStar8 77W TP 29 ConUS beam renamed to ABRVA (A)

Channels in the system: 6710
(A) = Available to subscribers
(NA) = Not Available
(H) = Hidden from non-subscribers

Looks like the new HD is only going to be available to pure WA and EA customers. Folks with the pseduo WA/EA setup of 110/119/61.5 are not going to get some of these channels. Of course this could change at the time of launch.... but I doubt it.

I got word that the following HD channels are launching this week. All channels will be on 129. TRUTV hd
FOX SOCCER CHANNEL HD
Retro Hd
BBC America hd
E! Entertainment Television HD
Indie Hd
Sportsman hd
Hallmark HD
Showtime HD (west)

Only BBC America will be on 61.5 all other new HD channels will be on 72.5.

Basically folks with 110/119 w/ 61.5 wing dishes will need to upgrade to 61/72/77(1000.4) or 110/119/129 (1000.2) setups to get these channels.

Why did they do this?

1. E-3 has had more failures in the past few months. They don't want to put up more HD then have to take it down. They have filed to move E-6 to E-3 incase of another failure at 61.5.

2. They have a bunch of room at 72.7 with the new Nimiq5 bird with more transponders on the way as DirecTV vacates them.

3. 129 has the room to support the channels for WA customers.

4. Why not just put it on 119? They had room before! Correct. They have room at 119, but this room is needed for the E-14 shuffle coming up when E-14 is in orbit. Plus E-14 actually requires more transponders for efficient beam utilization. This will come more into play during the 8PSK WA conversion.

So basically the E-3 life and E-14 shuffle probably forced their hand at this, and they figure most of the customers have LOS to either WA or EA.

What is Indie hd?

Thanks for the info. Scott.

What I find interesting about the news tonight is that this is "Phase 1" of new HD.

What is Indie hd?

Thanks for the info. Scott.

An Encore movie channel that is likely to go into Platinum HD package.

How many phases are we talking about here?

Please tell me that ESPNU hd is in ANY phase.

An Encore movie channel that is likely to go into Platinum HD package.

Cool. I will get that one.:)

BTW, in case some are wondering what this uplink changes - the answer is that they rebalanced the transponders to have more equal bitrate per transponder.

For example, HD sports takes more bandwidth than HD talking heads...

What I find interesting about the news tonight is that this is "Phase 1" of new HD.

You sure that isn't part of the 77 to 72 migration?

I'm getting 77,72, and 61.5 does this mean I'll get these? Sorry new to this sort of thing.

I'm getting 77,72, and 61.5 does this mean I'll get these? Sorry new to this sort of thing.

Yes.:)

Yes.:)

Thank you for the quick reply.

I live in Albany NY and have the 119 110 and 61.5 and have 2 dishes what will I need to get the new channels?? What is the cost of the equipment?

I got word that the following HD channels are launching this week. All channels will be on 129. TRUTV hd
FOX SOCCER CHANNEL HD
Retro Hd
BBC America hd
E! Entertainment Television HD
Indie Hd
Sportsman hd
Hallmark HD
Showtime HD (west)

Only BBC America will be on 61.5 all other new HD channels will be on 72.5.

FSC-HD! wowwahweewah! very excite! high-five!:D

FSC-HD! wowwahweewah! very excite! high-five!:D

If we are lucky, then it will be available minutes before Aston Villa vs Manchester United on Wednesday afternoon.

Which brings up a question - how long after a new channel is "made available", does it become active in "Dish Remote Access" ?

Do channels have to be added manually by Dish to that guide list ?

I live in Albany NY and have the 119 110 and 61.5 and have 2 dishes what will I need to get the new channels?? What is the cost of the equipment?

If your 61.5 dish can be pointed at 129 (in other words, no trees or buildings in the way) then you would not need any new equipment - which also assumes that your local channels are not on 61.5 .

Otherwise, you would need a "Dish 1000.4" instead of your existing equipment.

The cost depends on whether Dish is willing to pay for new equipment for you to get the channels you are paying for. In the past, they have generally done so, but such things vary depending on which phone rep you get... which reminds me that no phone rep will be able to deal with anything in this thread until Thursday or Friday, so do not call until then.

Which brings up a question - how long after a new channel is "made available", does it become active in "Dish Remote Access" ?

Do channels have to be added manually by Dish to that guide list ?


Interesting. This will be the first channels added since the Sling app.

I would think as soon as the day of and no later than the day after.

Only BBC America will be on 61.5 all other new HD channels will be on 72.5.

And yet just last week you said that they were only testing on 72.5 and they'd move them back to 61.5. Looks like your sources have a serious problem.

But really now, what the hell? How are they going to handle all those people who don't have an EA setup? Are we going to get a discount for not being able to get all the channels we're supposed to be getting? (Switching to EA isn't an option because then I wouldn't have my local channels, unless they move them to a CONUS beam.)

Are they sticking with 8 HD channels per TP.?

If we are lucky, then it will be available minutes before Aston Villa vs Manchester United on Wednesday afternoon.

indeed sir, indeed... glory glory!

What I find interesting about the news tonight is that this is "Phase 1" of new HD.
How do you know about this?Did they say it on the chat?

How many phases are we talking about here?

Please tell me that ESPNU hd is in ANY phase.
I would like to know the answer to this Question too!!!! I dont think that anybody on this site really knows the answer?:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

I'm guessing FSC+ HD will be in phase2? They must have a deal in place to get both up.

I think phase 5 will be adding all of the HD channels to Alaska and Hawaii.

Only BBC America will be on 61.5 all other new HD channels will be on 72.5. Well [expletive deleted]! Did you hear that this will be in perpetuity, or until E6 gets there?

well time to call D* and screw charlie!!!

so what happened to "all channels will move back to 61.5 b4 launch?"I guess it was more of Scott's wishful thinking

What happened to only New Subs will be setup on Eastern Arch? Existing subs will be fine with the current setup. My locals are on 61.5 and always have been. I have a wing dish for it with a primary pointed at 110 and 119. I'd call Dish and have a 1000.4 installed, but there is 2 feet of snow on the ground here in VA and my dishes are mounted 8 feet up on the side of my house. Not a good time for anyone to be on a ladder swapping dishes.

well time to call D* and screw charlie!!! Juan now your starting to sound like Bob Haller. :)

so what happened to "all channels will move back to 61.5 b4 launch?"I guess it was more of Scott's wishful thinking

That what was supposed to happen as thats what I was told all along. However it appears that the satellite at 61.5 is doing much worse then we feared in fact it lost another transponder a few weeks ago. It looks like they are afraid to put more of a load on it since it is failing quickly.

Lets hope the FCC gives them permission quickly to move E6 to 61.5 as if they do then it would not surprise me to see these channel move to 61.5.

Looking foward to more HD this week!! thanks for heads up Scott!! at the very least the posts will start up for Direct HD VS Dish HD...LOL

Out of curiosity, how can I figured out if I am set up to receive these new channels with the proper hardware etc? I subbed in October and have not really bothered to figure out what I have.

I have a 110, 119 & 61.5 Setup right now. Does this mean that I would need to swing my 61.5 Dish to 129 to be able to receive the new HD Channels? Would I be able to Receive 129 in Coastal Hancock County in Maine?

Thx, Josh

That what was supposed to happen as thats what I was told all along. However it appears that the satellite at 61.5 is doing much worse then we feared in fact it lost another transponder a few weeks ago. It looks like they are afraid to put more of a load on it since it is failing quickly.

Lets hope the FCC gives them permission quickly to move E6 to 61.5 as if they do then it would not surprise me to see these channel move to 61.5.
I had my caffene..im ok now

So, in effect, the older, loyal, customers, like me, who still use 110/119/61.5 will get the shaft.

Does this mean any increase to my bill will be postponed until they either switch me over to Eastern arc or move E-6 over to pick up the load?

So, in effect, the older, loyal, customers, like me, who still use 110/119/61.5 will get the shaft.

Does this mean any increase to my bill will be postponed until they either switch me over to Eastern arc or move E-6 over to pick up the load?nuthin new..search on super dish and mpeg4 conversion for references

So, in effect, the older, loyal, customers, like me, who still use 110/119/61.5 will get the shaft.

Does this mean any increase to my bill will be postponed until they either switch me over to Eastern arc or move E-6 over to pick up the load?I think Dish is counting on the fact that most subs are ignorant to new channels being added. It's only the more knowledgeable ones like us that are aware we are getting screwed. :)

I was told that only 110,119 & 61.5 Setup would work in my area. I live in Bar Harbor, Maine. Is this true??

I think Dish is counting on the fact that most subs are ignorant to new channels being added. It's only the more knowledgeable ones like us that are aware we are getting screwed. :) This is my guess of why there was no mention of the new channels on the Tech Chat last night.

Their phones would be ringing off the hook on Thursday if the new HD was not in their guides.

I was told that only 110,119 & 61.5 Setup would work in my area. I live in Bar Harbor, Maine. Is this true??Hitting 129 would be hard. I can hit it here in Connecticut but not by much.

I wonder if Dish will issue their usual press release after the channels have been lit up?? Probably not....

Hitting 129 would be hard. I can hit it here in Connecticut but not by much.

Scott, Is there any other setup that might work for me? Or am I just screwed for right now?

Thx, Josh

Scott, Is there any other setup that might work for me? Or am I just screwed for right now?

Thx, Josh

you would need to go to Eastern Arc (61.5,72.5,77)

very odd they didnt put you on EA from the getgo (noting your start date of Sept 09) unless 72 & 77 dont work there due to footprint?

This is my guess of why there was no mention of the new channels on the Tech Chat last night.

Their phones would be ringing off the hook on Thursday if the new HD was not in their guides.
I know of at least one call they will be getting.

I'll do it just to hear what the CSR has to say. With all the snow we've been having in the East these days I could use a laugh.

you would need to go to Eastern Arc (61.5,72.5,77)

very odd they didnt put you on EA from the getgo (noting your start date of Sept 09) unless 72 & 77 dont work there due to footprint?

Yeah, They told me they can't do EA installs here. What dish would I need for that? Or could I use the 2 Dish 500's that I have right now?

I really don't want to buy a new dish and it not work out.

Thx, Josh

Dish 1000.4 is really the only dish that would work

well that and 3 DIsh 500's or 300's with single LNB's on it ;)

Only BBC America will be on 61.5 all other new HD channels will be on 72.5.

The specs for the 1000.4 dish states that it's designed to receive signals from 61.5, 72.7 and 77.

Will it also receive signals from 72.5?

Thanks,

Bob

It's only the more knowledgeable ones like us that are aware we are getting screwed. :)
Yup, I always like to be forewarned when the green weenie is about to be slipped. :D

Dish 1000.4 is really the only dish that would work

well that and 3 DIsh 500's or 300's with single LNB's on it ;)

I would go with the Dish 100.4 I guess. I really don't want a third dish on my roof. Dish better come out her for "Free" and do it or you will hear yelling at DISH from here.


Josh

What happened to only New Subs will be setup on Eastern Arch? Existing subs will be fine with the current setup. My locals are on 61.5 and always have been. I have a wing dish for it with a primary pointed at 110 and 119. I'd call Dish and have a 1000.4 installed, but there is 2 feet of snow on the ground here in VA and my dishes are mounted 8 feet up on the side of my house. Not a good time for anyone to be on a ladder swapping dishes.


This is our situation too. Not good.

And considering that the FCC is not known for being a friend of old Charlie...

Not good at all.

I would go with the Dish 100.4 I guess. I really don't want a third dish on my roof. Dish better come out her for "Free" and do it or you will hear yelling at DISH from here.


Josh

This is the $99,000.00 question. If we call Dish will they set us up with the 1000.4 dish for free now that we really do need it to see all the new HD channels?

I am a 2 dish HD sub in the NYC DMA so I need 61.5 for local HD.

Only BBC America will be on 61.5 all other new HD channels will be on 72.5.

OK,

I have a 1000.2 dish (I think?). I believe I am on western arc, I have 110 / 119 / 129 satellites.

What will I have to do to get BBC America on 61.5 and all the other new HD channels on 72.5?

I would go with the Dish 100.4 I guess. I really don't want a third dish on my roof. Dish better come out her for "Free" and do it or you will hear yelling at DISH from here.


Josh
they charged me $50 for the 61.5 addon for HD (was free for customers who had locals on the wing)

OK,

I have a 1000.2 dish (I think?). I believe I am on western arc, I have 110 / 119 / 129 satellites.

What will I have to do to get BBC America on 61.5 and all the other new HD channels on 72.5?

A 1000.2 will work fine. ALL of the new HD channels will be on 129.

A 1000.2 will work fine. ALL of the new HD channels will be on 129.


Thanks Scott! :up

Yeah, They told me they can't do EA installs here. What dish would I need for that? Or could I use the 2 Dish 500's that I have right now?

I really don't want to buy a new dish and it not work out.

Thx, Josh

The other issue you face in Maine is that if E3 fails at 61.5 and they switch over stuff to E6, you may not be able to see it. E6's footprint was designed for 110/119 and really does not hit Maine well from 61.5. It might be trouble until E15 goes up and replaces E3.

This could be part of the reason they decided to move stuff to 72 and 77. E6 at 61.5 hits the center of the Eastern half of the country pretty well, but if you live in the upper half of Maine or the lower half of TX you are in trouble. I attached the map from Dish's application to move E6 to 61.5

Thanks Scott! :up

That answers my question also with my 110/119/129 setup. :)

The other issue you face in Maine is that if E3 fails at 61.5 and they switch over stuff to E6, you may not be able to see it. E6's footprint was designed for 110/119 and really does not hit Maine well from 61.5. It might be trouble until E15 goes up and replaces E3.

This could be part of the reason they decided to move stuff to 72 and 77. E6 at 61.5 hits the center of the Eastern half of the country pretty well, but if you live in the upper half of Maine or the lower half of TX you are in trouble. I attached the map from Dish's application to move E6 to 61.5

Now, that makes everything worse. It's going to really hard to for us to pick up 77. And we can't pick up 129. I guess Maine is Screwed all together.

Josh

A 1000.2 will work fine. ALL of the new HD channels will be on 129.

Scott, but the EA customers will get all these channels to, right? SO they will add the new locals on 77 & 72?

I got word that the following HD channels are launching this week. All channels will be on 129. TRUTV hd
FOX SOCCER CHANNEL HD
Retro Hd
BBC America hd
E! Entertainment Television HD
Indie Hd
Sportsman hd
Hallmark HD
Showtime HD (west)

Only BBC America will be on 61.5 all other new HD channels will be on 72.5.
Scott, should we read this as no agreement with Epix or the agreement falling apart?

Scott, but the EA customers will get all these channels to, right? SO they will add the new locals on 77 & 72?

All the transponders and satellite positions of the TMP channels is in the uplink report...first post of this thread.

I have a D500+ with 61.5 as a wing dish. If I mount a LNB opposite the 110 LNB with bracket, so you have from behind dish 129, 119/118.7, 110 would that make it a D1000.2? Is the reflector the same size? I would not want to reposition 61.5 because of location, hard to get to. Thanks

Scott, should we read this as no agreement with Epix or the agreement falling apart? Not at all. :)

Scott, but the EA customers will get all these channels to, right? SO they will add the new locals on 77 & 72?

I think he meant that they are only on 129 and not to be added to 110 or 119. They will still show up on 72.7 for us EA customers (and one of them on 61.5).

Not at all. :)

Any chance the smiley means you have more insight into this? And, if so, can it be shared?

so If I have a dish pointed at 110,119 and 129.will I get all the new channels.i'm in the eastern area.but what is ea?

Yeah this would be cool and if this is just phase 1 be interesting to see what else they can add.

I think Dish is counting on the fact that most subs are ignorant to new channels being added. It's only the more knowledgeable ones like us that are aware we are getting screwed. :)

Bingo!

Of course there's an outside chance, as Scott will readily admit, that the sources telling him these channels won't be on 61.5 are as wrong as the ones who told him they would be. :)

If Dish does do this then the sat at 61.5 must really be falling apart. It's a drastic step (IMO). And there's no way of telling if or when we who have 110/119/61.5 setups will get these (or other) additional channels. We just need to assume the necessity of switching to EA or to another provider.

In my case I also have cable, which has E!-HD and TruTV HD. I don't care about the movie channels; the only channels I'd like to have are FSC-HD and BBC-A HD and it appears I'll get the second one. So no big deal for me but I'm sure it will enrage others who rely on 61.5.

When I go to the Dish retailer website and I enter my zip code this is what it states below:

Closest Records to: Claremont, NH

1 Records Found (displaying 1 to 1)

Western Arc DMA, You may use both MPEG2 and MPEG 4 Equipment.
Burlington et al VT-NY,

But, if I do this I will not be able to receive local HD channels since they are on 61.5.

This doesn't make sense.

Scott, would this information above be accurate?

Thanks!

Bingo!

Of course there's an outside chance, as Scott will readily admit, that the sources telling him these channels won't be on 61.5 are as wrong as the ones who told him they would be. :) Nope take a look at last nights uplink report, and that goes with some internal documents that I was sent shortly after "The Scotty Chat" went off the air.

It looks like they wil launch on 129 and 72.7.

Nope take a look at last nights uplink report, and that goes with some internal documents that I was sent shortly after "The Scotty Chat" went off the air.

It looks like they wil launch on 129 and 72.7.

Yea, well, it was worth a shot, as I really would like FSC-HD.

I would probably call and see if I could get EA installed but, even if they would do it, I would probably need to re-up for another 2 years (I'm currently out-of-contract) and with FIOS so close (they're pulling the fiber into the complex as I type) I really don't want to commit.

Thanks for posting that (depressing) news.

The plans were to put it on 61.5 but with the satellite issues on 61.5 the past few weeks they couldnt do it.

They have to launch these channels so this is how they are doing it for now. I do expect them to migrate when E6 is moved to 61.5.

Interesting dilemma...

A friend of mine has a mixture of receivers (722, 622, and 522).
Our HD-Locals are on 77. So to support that and the non-vip 522 he has 61.5, 77, 110 & 119 going into a DPP-44 switch.

To get those new HD channels, 72 will now need to be entered into the mix. I wonder if Dish will swap out his 522 for a 612 for free in order to get everything since they don't support 5 sat. setups?

So, I have 61.5. I should just swing that around to 129, run check switch, etc. Im assuming 72.7 needs a differnet type of LNB?

OK,

I have a 1000.2 dish (I think?). I believe I am on western arc, I have 110 / 119 / 129 satellites.

What will I have to do to get BBC America on 61.5 and all the other new HD channels on 72.5?

Like Scott said, all will be fine for you but I would consider "future proofing" your setup by adding a wing dish pointing to 61.5. This will connect to your 1000.2 without the need for a switch and you should be able to pickup a dish to point to the 61.5 cheap. I used an older 1000 to point to the 61.5 and it's connected to my 1000.2 pointing to the usual 110/119/129.
Once similiarly set up, you won't have any concerns about receiving any new programming.

The plans were to put it on 61.5 but with the satellite issues on 61.5 the past few weeks they couldnt do it.

They have to launch these channels so this is how they are doing it for now. I do expect them to migrate when E6 is moved to 61.5.

Baikonur (spelling?) Cosmodrome my a**! :)

Funny how the worm turns. Wasn't it just last year this time (or perhaps a bit further back) that those pointed at 129 were at the mercy of a failing satellite?

so If I have a dish pointed at 110,119 and 129.will I get all the new channels.i'm in the eastern area.but what is ea?

As stated earlier, ALL of the new channels will be on 129. You will receive all of them provided you have the proper subscriptions. We don't know that criteria yet.

so If I have a dish pointed at 110,119 and 129.will I get all the new channels.i'm in the eastern area.but what is ea?

Yes. EA is eastern arc. E* has two separate groups of satellites that provide the bulk of their normal programming. To the west is the 110, 119, and 129W group and to the east is the 61.5, 72.7, and 77W group. Heretofore, 129W and 61.5W have carried identical national programming and 110/119 and 72.7/77 have carried identical national programming for their respective arcs. Subs therefore needed access to either 110/119 and either 129 or 61.5 or 72.7/77 and either 61.5 or 129 to receive all national programming. Before the creation of the eastern arc all subs had a 110/119 install regardless of where they resided. E* acquired the satellite at the 61.5 slot and spotbeamed locals to markets in the easterm half or so of ConUS where the spots reached. Thus many people ended up with 110/119/61.5 setups. E* then created an eastern arc of satellites to better serve the eastern part of the U.S. Only new subscribers received a full eastern arc install with a 1000.4 antenna to receive 61.5/72.7/77. Existing subs received a second dish for 61.5 and ended up with 110/119/61.5 setups. As long as 61.5 and 129 had identical programming, there was no difference in having a 61.5/72.7/77 or 110/119/61.5 setup. That has now changed so that the 110/119/61.5 setup probably will not receive all available programming. This is likely a temporary situation though.

If your 61.5 dish can be pointed at 129 (in other words, no trees or buildings in the way) then you would not need any new equipment - which also assumes that your local channels are not on 61.5 .

Otherwise, you would need a "Dish 1000.4" instead of your existing equipment.

The cost depends on whether Dish is willing to pay for new equipment for you to get the channels you are paying for. In the past, they have generally done so, but such things vary depending on which phone rep you get... which reminds me that no phone rep will be able to deal with anything in this thread until Thursday or Friday, so do not call until then.


Albany HD channels are on 61.5 and SDs on either 110 and 119 (ION - but it is a map down). So it may not be a good idea to do a repoint.

I have a D500+ with 61.5 as a wing dish. If I mount a LNB opposite the 110 LNB with bracket, so you have from behind dish 129, 119/118.7, 110 would that make it a D1000.2? Is the reflector the same size? I would not want to reposition 61.5 because of location, hard to get to. Thanks
If you add the bracket to a 500+ dish, it becomes a 1000+.

All of this talk about phases reminded me of this:
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/7591/underpantsgnomes.jpg

Well, sure looks like i'm screwed... I have 110/119/61.5... my HD locals are on 61.5 :( so i can't move that to 129 :( I can't upgrade to EA cause I have 2 311's (MPEG2) receivers... this sux, price increase & no access to new HD... WTF?

Like Scott said, all will be fine for you but I would consider "future proofing" your setup by adding a wing dish pointing to 61.5. This will connect to your 1000.2 without the need for a switch and you should be able to pickup a dish to point to the 61.5 cheap. I used an older 1000 to point to the 61.5 and it's connected to my 1000.2 pointing to the usual 110/119/129.
Once similiarly set up, you won't have any concerns about receiving any new programming.

Actually, this has turned out to be the opposite of the truth.

If you have 110 - 119 -129 you are fine.

If you have 110 -119 - 61.5 then you futureproof your setup by adding a 129 wing dish.

Except if your here on the east and hitting 129 is very hard if not impossible for a lot of folks.

Actually, this has turned out to be the opposite of the truth.

If you have 110 - 119 -129 you are fine.

If you have 110 -119 - 61.5 then you futureproof your setup by adding a 129 wing dish.
cept the east coast cant see129 and they would lose HD locals

Well, sure looks like i'm screwed... I have 110/119/61.5... my HD locals are on 61.5 :( so i can't move that to 129 :( I can't upgrade to EA cause I have 2 311's (MPEG2) receivers... this sux, price increase & no access to new HD... WTF?

Use "Customer Service Rep Roulette" until you get a rep who will exchange your 311s and install a 1000.4 dish, all for free, since it is needed to receive the channels you are paying for.

Do NOT call before Thursday or Friday, because until then they will not know what you are talking about.

^^^ sorry "K" think we typed @ the same time ;-)


I wonder if they'll be offering upgrades (discount or free) for those of us they set up before the establishment of EA??? I mean, it wasn't our fault we couldn't see 129, & not our fault we have the "combo" setup of Super Dish & wing dish :(

Use "Customer Service Rep Roulette" until you get a rep who will exchange your 311s and install a 1000.4 dish, all for free, since it is needed to receive the channels you are paying for.

Do NOT call before Thursday or Friday, because until then they will not know what you are talking about.

I dont think this will work this time and dont think people should call. I am hearing the HD on 72.7 is a temporary stop gap just to get them launched while they work on their 61.5 issues.

I dont think this will work this time and dont think people should call. I am hearing the HD on 72.7 is a temporary stop gap just to get them launched while they work on their 61.5 issues.

Scott, but US people in Maine area will still be screwed even when they do get E6 over to 61.5, because E6 will not be able to reach us in Maine.

So what would DISH do for us then??

Josh

Actually, this has turned out to be the opposite of the truth.

If you have 110 - 119 -129 you are fine.

If you have 110 -119 - 61.5 then you futureproof your setup by adding a 129 wing dish.

I don't see how this is the opposite of the truth. I agree with Scott about the 110/119/129 being fine. I initially added the 61.5 to my setup because that's where my HD locals were, but I also considered this to be futureproofing.

Scott, but US people in Maine area will still be screwed even when they do get E6 over to 61.5, because E6 will not be able to reach us in Maine.

So what would DISH do for us then??

Josh

Why wont it reach Maine?

Why wont it reach Maine?

Other people on this forum have said that E6 coverage maps show that it would reach maine that well.

Josh

I dont know about that, as its being used on the Eastern Arc now.

Scott - I've heard that 61.5 is not getting any new HD yet, not even BBCA. Can you check with your source again??

I dont know about that, as its being used on the Eastern Arc now.

Scott, is there any way to find out for sure? I would like to know so I can make alternate plans.

Thanks,

Josh

Scott, but US people in Maine area will still be screwed even when they do get E6 over to 61.5, because E6 will not be able to reach us in Maine.

So what would DISH do for us then??

Josh

I have been investigating this, and you can get 129 in Maine with an elevation of about 12 degrees.

Before Ciel-2 was launched, everyone was desperate to replace their 129 dishes with 61.5 dishes because EchoStar 5 at 129 was really weak.

Now Dish has a strong satellite, Cel-2 at 129, it might be possible to receive 129 even in Maine:

Ciel 2 129W Can7 Conus (Satkml) (http://sites.google.com/site/satkml/home/ciel-2-129w-can7-conus)

A good site to check this is:

Satellite Finder / Dish Pointing Calculator with Google Maps | DishPointer.com (http://dishpointer.com)

( Of course, this would require a third dish and a switch that accepts four satellite locations, which 119/110/61.5 users may already have. )

And on top of everything else, the Federal Government has been closed (rightfully) Monday and Tuesday due to the huge snowstorm that hit the mid-Atlantic area. And yet another storm is imminent.

It could be a while before the FCC acts on this...