Folks:

Did some searching but wanted to confirm that I got double left in the dark with these new channels

1st) Because I get my HDs off 61.5
2nd) Because Dish did not add ANY channels to the old Turbo/DishAmerica packages...


Was going to call dish and get them to come out and do the wing dish but if I can't get them as a subscriber to DishAmerica then no sense... I would think they would give SOME of the new channels to the TurboHD folks....

(Thought the original idea behind TurboHD was that it would have ALL the HDs of the respective packages)

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That was the plan. Unfortunately for you and me, we fell victim to one of the greastest consumer bait and switches of all time.

All I can do is tell everyone I know and talk to about tech stuff to avoid Dish at all costs, and that I will be gone when me contract is up.

You have been TTTTTUUURRRRBBBBOOORRRIIIIIZZZEEEDDD!;)

That was the plan. Unfortunately for you and me, we fell victim to one of the greatest consumer bait and switches of all time.:upx100

I'm with you all...I had read the frustrated posts prior to subbing to TurboHD in Sept-09, but thought it couldn't be all that bad, and it made sense, a few odd channels left out due to contract disputes.

But now I see that its really Dish, not the content suppliers, trying to milk the sub for cash-for-unwatched channels. Not cool. I've been an E* sub and booster off/on for a while now, through Voom and all that, and this is seriously souring me on them.

They could make good if they'd at least offer some partial package of addt'l channels, to show they care at all.

U-Verse keeps calling. Might'nt I eventually answer if this continues...?

Charlie does realize that IPTV is going to eat satellite/cable's lunch if they don't retain the value proposition, doesn't he?

Charlie does realize that IPTV is going to eat satellite/cable's lunch if they don't retain the value proposition, doesn't he?

Shanewalker,

I seriously doubt IPTV will be the panacea you suggest. Over the last year and half more and More Broadband companies have instituted Caps, or tried to switch their business model to charge for bandwidth over an artificially random number by the Broadband company.

IPTV takes up a HUGE amount of bandwidth especially HD content. My local Cable companies plan was to charge $50 bucks per month with a Cap at 40 Gigabytes charging an additional $10 per each extra Gigabyte, under this proposed plan 100 Gigabytes would cost $100 per month. Using IPTV could result in 250 Gigs plus per month. Satellite and Cable TV is a huge bargain at that price for broadband.

The reason these plans are being floated is most broadband companies also provide the same channels and are trying to persuade their customers to continue their Cable subscriptions, if they don't the Broadband companies will make up the cable losses by raking in ridiculous profits for broadband.

Currently in the United States the cost to provide broadband to the end users is about $8.00 per subscriber (this figure factors in capital costs as well as operating costs). The average selling price for broadband per month is $45 that is one HUGE Markup. Even so the vertically cable companies are trying harder and harder to maintain control of the distribution mechanism and their profits from TV Content delivery. If more and more users switch over to IPTV to get content delivered to their home the broadband companies will likely constrict the flow of bits into your home and or meter it to make IPTV too expensive and troublesome to bother with.

John

I hear what you're saying, but as things transition from Analog to Digital across all major lines, there's a lot of bandwidth savings...and the myth of low headroom is just that. The telco's have bandwidth to spare--Google 'dark fiber'.

The IPTV innovation is to cease/end-run 'broadcast' as we have known it for decades--true ala carte. People will sub to only the content they want--ask the nearest 20 yr old if they pay for cable and they'll likely say, "Nah! I just go to Hulu and watch the shows I like on my computer"

The world is changing big time. If the old players don't get with it, the new order will pass them by--all this hand-wringing about channel bundling is a death rattle in the throat of 'last years model'.

It looked like Dish was 'getting it' w/ the TurboHD package--but either they caved in to that old model or they had their ass handed to them as a hat by the content companies who are apparently slave to it. Those media megaconglomerates are reminding me of the big 3 automakers a few years back, doing all they could to fight hybrids and new ways of doing business...and see where that got them?

How much are the Turbo packages?

Are they much less than the Classic packages?

They're 29.99, 39.99 and 49.99 I believe?

So, Dish America Silver is virtually the same price as Dish Bronze+ w/ HD....

How much are the Turbo packages?

Are they much less than the Classic packages?

$35, $45, and $55 which includes locals.

So, Dish America Silver is virtually the same price as Dish Bronze+ w/ HD....Your math is bad or your numbers are wrong, because that is simply not true. Dish Bronze+ with HD is $10/month more than Dish America Silver. And while going to it would add some new HD channels, it would also drop several other HD channels.

Are they much less than the Classic packages?For Silver they are $18/month less. Going from $40 (TurboHD Silver) to $58 (Classic Sliver + HD) represents a 45% increase in price. So IMO that is a significant difference.

Your math is bad or your numbers are wrong, because that is simply not true. Dish Bronze+ with HD is $10/month more than Dish America Silver. And while going to it would add some new HD channels, it would also drop several other HD channels.

That's even better than I thought! It just comes down to what package works best for the channels that you want? I'd want WGN and CBSCS myself!


So Bronze+ WITHOUT HD would be = TurboHD Silver pricing.

Kind of a no brainer if you want to stick in the under $50 range.

I have the Dish America/Turbo HD Gold package with HD DVR and locals and of course none of the NEW national HD channels are available to me. Don't remember when I last received a new national HD channel, it may have been the NHL channel. I also could not get the Platinum channels as Dish refused to add them.

I have a 1000 antenna with access to 110/119/129 and a Dish 500 pointed toward 61.5. Needed the 61.5 when my local HD's were activated. Probably don't need it now as locals are on 129 at this time.

I have the Dish America/Turbo HD Gold package with HD DVR and locals and of course none of the NEW national HD channels are available to me. Don't remember when I last received a new national HD channel, it may have been the NHL channel. I also could not get the Platinum channels as Dish refused to add them.

I have a 1000 antenna with access to 110/119/129 and a Dish 500 pointed toward 61.5. Needed the 61.5 when my local HD's were activated. Probably don't need it now as locals are on 129 at this time.

Ditto...

How does it feel to be a 'smart, selective and thus less blatantly profitable and therefore 2nd priority HD customer'?

Ditto...

How does it feel to be a 'smart, selective and thus less blatantly profitable and therefore 2nd priority HD customer'?



Its still a way better deal than anything else from anybody else, right?

And you don't have to deal. Upgrade your package or leave dish. It is what it is.

Unfortunately you can't scrabble the word"Dish" to mean S==T, and no, there isn't another provider that will give you anything better. Sign of the times, can't have your cake and eat it too

And you don't have to deal. Upgrade your package or leave dish. It is what it is.

Yes I can have the 200 channel I don't give a ** about, how many simple minded people watch them. HSN, gonna buy some trash from them tonight, if you do you are one of the people that buy ready made meals at the market

How much are the Turbo packages?

Are they much less than the Classic packages?

No cause E* decided that they didn't want those paks anymore so E*Turbo Gold went from 39 to 49 and then, don't give you any channels and rename them too you got F_____

Yes I can have the 200 channel I don't give a **** about, how many simple minded people watch them. HSN, gonna buy some trash from them tonight, if you do you are one of the people that buy ready made meals at the market

Only an idiot would think that you can just buy the channel's you want. You get some you watch and some you don't.

I buy the package that includes the channels that I like to view.

You would be advised to watch the F-bombs here. They have made it clear that outside of the pub to keep it clean.

You would be advised to watch the F-bombs here. They have made it clear that outside of the pub to keep it clean.

Wow, thanks for the heads up on that. Much appreciated

You just need to drink the Dish kool-aid and embrace the "$75 is the new $50" mantra.

And you don't have to deal. Upgrade your package or leave dish. It is what it is.

and on September 20 when my TWO year contract is up I will be doing so. Yes it has been two years already since every other commercial on TV was for TurboHD. Little did we know.

Hello Sezmi.....

I don't think you have a right to complain since you're paying an amazing price for what you are getting in these "gimped" packages.

Mine is up in Dec. Just waiting.

As has been said before. This was the classic bait and switch.
They even listed it on last years price sheet.

Surpised they haven't been sued yet.

--sexywarlock-- et al,

I'm not trolling when I lament the TurboHD package 'gimping' that E* has resorted to. I just think it's tragic--the ONLY truly progressive/forward-thinking initiative they've undertaken since buying Voom's HD content and pushing themselves as the HD-leader. OK, besides Sling...another brilliant move (I own 2 Slingboxes and think 'place-shifting' is a must).

Of all the major old-school content distribution systems, they got my business w/ solid DVR tech and for pushing themselves as the 'value leader'). If they don't make a real case for HD ala cart, they will soon find themselves unable to differentiate themselves from the competition and suffering at the hands of a la cart via IPTV. They will lose big.

I am rooting for E*, I like them, I do. I just worry they're not fighting the necessary fight on this one on behalf of their current and potential future customers.

The next generations of video consumers will NOT buy expensive bundles of stuff they don't want to watch what they do. If E* doesn't figure out a way to do a la cart to appease the new breed of media consumer--someone else will. They may have a lock on HD content right now--but that's a moving target.

I agree. The demise of old world policies on entertainment/data can't come soon enough in my eyes. :D

Interesting! Here is a new ad for HD only packages.

DISH Network HD Programming Packages | SatelliteBuys.com (http://www.satellitebuys.com/dish-hd-packages.aspx#3)

MTV, FX , Speed to name a few

Interesting! Here is a new ad for HD only packages.

DISH Network HD Programming Packages | SatelliteBuys.com (http://www.satellitebuys.com/dish-hd-packages.aspx#3)

MTV, FX , Speed to name a few


If only that were to be the case. Some careless advertising there probably. Dish made the same mistakes at one time last year on their web site.

Here is another link. I think Greg said they might be promoting HD only packages again. If this is true, it would be a reason for me to keep Dish.

DISH Network HD Channel Lineup | SatelliteBuys.com (http://www.satellitebuys.com/dish-hd-channels.aspx)

I wish that ad was true. I'd upgrade to the Dish America Silver and get FX and other stuff I want.

i like this one even better!!!!
DISH America HD: Amazing TV Picture with DISH America HD (http://www.sterlingsatellite.com/dish-america.asp)

but i wouldn't bet on it

Somebody is feeding all of these sites with the DishAmerica info. My bet is that at some point E* will promote these packages again with the missing channels that aren't in Turbo right now. Lightning could have struck & E* might have the agreements close at hand.

Given Dish's track record....well....it was a nice thought. :D

Here is another link. I think Greg said they might be promoting HD only packages again. If this is true, it would be a reason for me to keep Dish.

DISH Network HD Channel Lineup | SatelliteBuys.com (http://www.satellitebuys.com/dish-hd-channels.aspx)

This is acutally a good breakdown of there HD packages and channels....I think set up better then the Dish website (other then it does not have the brand new HD adds)

I wonder if the "shack" will be carrying 922's :):)

I used some of these links and sent it to dish in an online chat and asked why I wasn't getting things like MTV VH1, FOX, Nick, and any of the new HD just added, and they informed me that the websites listing those channels in the DishAmerica HD pack are completely wrong. I am a TurboHD Bronze now DishAmerica sub. The rep told me how the TurboHD packages are their lowest priced packs and therefore don't get all the channels. So apparently the 100% HD packs were meant for the poor people and not people that wanted HD and only HD.

I don't think the problem is Dish. I think it is the channel providers. Many still have networks that are only in SD. They did not want to give people the chance to dump those SD channels, so they would not let those channels go to HD only. Dish is just kind enough to let you stick to that pack if you want. Otherwise, you are welcome to upgrade. I have AT120+HD, and I'm not whining that I can't get Animal Planet HD. Because all I have to do is upgrade.

I have Turbo/DishAmerica Silver and I've been quietly watching the discussions on this and other boards since the package was launched. The comments have, at times, been brutal. Yes, at any time any one of us on those packages can upgrade and pay more to get the channels that others have had added to their packages for virtually the same cost (when factoring in price hikes and such). While there are some channels that have been added to the same tier of service on the "top" packages that I would have liked to see added to my package, (since they raised my rates too) It hasn't been enough to compel me to pay that much more for the few channels I would watch on the "top" tier and many that I wouldn't.

So, I'm not whining. However, I don't think Dish is doing me any favor either by letting me continue with DishAmerica Silver. It's business. They're making plenty of money off those packages or they wouldn't be offered. Period.

The issue of the "100% HD" Turbo packages has always been the fact that Dish (in some people's words) advertised, promised, whatever you want to call it - but at minimum implied that those packages would include whatever HD Dish had to offer and that has just not been true. Whether it is Dish playing games or the networks that are holding out, makes no real difference to those of us watching TV.

I just wish those of you who are bashing people for complaining would stop and think about it a bit more. Everyone has their reasons for picking the level they are at and we all know we can always pay more and get more. Fact of the matter is that some people paid more and are not getting as much and Dish really should have stepped up and addressed that. Instead, they continue on as if nothing matters and that irritates some people. So what?

I've certainly expressed my thoughts to Dish and, for me, when it irritates me enough, I'll leave and let that do the talking.

very well put, no one could say it better

I have Turbo/DishAmerica Silver and I've been quietly watching the discussions on this and other boards since the package was launched. The comments have, at times, been brutal. Yes, at any time any one of us on those packages can upgrade and pay more to get the channels that others have had added to their packages for virtually the same cost (when factoring in price hikes and such). While there are some channels that have been added to the same tier of service on the "top" packages that I would have liked to see added to my package, (since they raised my rates too) It hasn't been enough to compel me to pay that much more for the few channels I would watch on the "top" tier and many that I wouldn't.

So, I'm not whining. However, I don't think Dish is doing me any favor either by letting me continue with DishAmerica Silver. It's business. They're making plenty of money off those packages or they wouldn't be offered. Period.

The issue of the "100% HD" Turbo packages has always been the fact that Dish (in some people's words) advertised, promised, whatever you want to call it - but at minimum implied that those packages would include whatever HD Dish had to offer and that has just not been true. Whether it is Dish playing games or the networks that are holding out, makes no real difference to those of us watching TV.

I just wish those of you who are bashing people for complaining would stop and think about it a bit more. Everyone has their reasons for picking the level they are at and we all know we can always pay more and get more. Fact of the matter is that some people paid more and are not getting as much and Dish really should have stepped up and addressed that. Instead, they continue on as if nothing matters and that irritates some people. So what?

I've certainly expressed my thoughts to Dish and, for me, when it irritates me enough, I'll leave and let that do the talking.

The problem with this is you think it was Dish's choice to stop adding HD to these packs. I think Dish would prefer adding all the HD. But I think the content providers put a stop to it. For example, MTV Networks (Viacom) may have not wanted some of their channels added as it would have enabled people to drop MTV2, TV Land, Nick Jr, and so on, thus causing them to lose money. So, faced with only being able to add some channels but not all, Dish decided to add none, and keep the price the same, enabling those perfectly happy with the selection that was originally offered (which was all of you, apparently when you signed up) to keep the pack.

And while Dish may be making money at current levels, they might not if they suddenly added 10 HD channels. Plus, that would only perpetuate the mistaken idea that some of you have that Dish will add all the channels.

"Some people paid more". Who are they?

Oh so now Dish is always the good guy, its alway the providers as the problem. I find that very hard to believe. Just my opinion, but I'm entitled to it.

Oh so now Dish is always the good guy, its alway the providers as the problem. I find that very hard to believe. Just my opinion, but I'm entitled to it.

The providers are never the bad guy? Hey, it could be Dish that's the bad guy. But why promote TurboHD packs, then back off as soon as they started making big deals with big content providers like MTV Networks and Fox? The explanation just seems logical.

Even if Dish would come forth and say that an issue came up with the providers allowing them to continue providing HD only content for the Turbo/Dish America packages, it is STILL a "black eye issue" for Dish. They should have had a more concrete plan in place. One with much more extensive research compiled. This would have eliminated any so call surprises. I find it hard to believe that Dish would have created the packages and spent all the money that they had to have tossed for it, from what was seen and heard, and NOT have done this research. I will forever believe that it was a "bait and switch" move. Karma is a _itch and I hope that they lose customers just as fast as they added them from what has become (or will become) the Turbo fiasco.