This found on Satforums.

NPS regretfully announced today that the following channels will go off of C-Band on 04-06-10 : Atlanta ABC, NBC, CBS, Cartoon, WPIX, Spike, VH1, TruTV, TNT, CMT. Cust's who already have subscriptions to those channels will receive pro-rated credits to their NPS accts. which can then be used to purchase other programming from us. This development was caused by the increasing costs to uplink the G3 channels on 2 transponders no longer being economically feasible without further uplink fee increases which Mike and John decided to not do. This change will help to extend the longevity of the more critical channels like CNN, HLN, FoxNews, CNBC, MSNBC, USA, Lifetime, Hallmark, Comedy that will still be uplinked by us on G3 on one transponder.

So instead of giving refunds they are making you spend the money to stay with them?

So instead of giving refunds they are making you spend the money to stay with them?

It looks like that. Interesting questions being posted at satforums with no answers from NPS. Go figure :(

I called NPS right now and told them I want to talk to a supervisor. They wouldn't let me and tried pushing a dish package on me. I see allot of unhappy people there planning on screwing including me. :mad: I'll wait for this to die down a bit then demand a supervisor another day.

I think the fat lady has begun to sing the writing on the wall. ;)

I think the fat lady has begun to sing the writing on the wall. ;)
At least for NPS.

At least for NPS.

NPS is a dead issue. We need to look forward to what SRL and Skyvision will do. If anything they won't make the same stupid mistakes NPS did.

So instead of giving refunds they are making you spend the money to stay with them?

sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen

sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen

Not if you read NPS's Terms and Conditions:

NPS - Your One Call Solution (http://www.callnps.com/terms.htm)

Its too bad someone from TBS Broadcasting isn't reading this. Let me be very clear about this. Offer Ala carte channels directly to the end user and you may be surprised. I would have no problem paying 10 dollars a month for Cartoon Network to get it off a master feed. I am sure that more then you get now from any cable or satellite provider. I am sure others would agree me if the channel was Fox News. People WILL pay for quality.

Its too bad someone from TBS Broadcasting isn't reading this. Let me be very clear about this. Offer Ala carte channels directly to the end user and you may be surprised. I would have no problem paying 10 dollars a month for Cartoon Network to get it off a master feed. I am sure that more then you get now from any cable or satellite provider. I am sure others would agree me if the channel was Fox News. People WILL pay for quality.

It won't happen. There is no massive authorization center for PowerVu. Many years ago when everything was VC-2 GI provided the authorization center and most programmers did this. It costs allot of money to run a call center and with C band there just aren't enough takers now. They figure if you want our channel get cable or pizza and that's it. It's pizza and cable that force the channels to be bundled together and charge high rates for the bitstarved crap.

If you ever want to see Cartoon Networks master. Program it in a DVB receiver and hope that one day they have a computer blowout and are forced to go ITC for a while. It can and does happen from time to time. I have seen PowerVu masters (not cartoon network though) and they looks awesome.

From NPS website today:

Channel and Satellite Updates
3-8-10
Effective April 6, 2010, the following channels will no longer be available:

WGCL (CBS)
WSB (ABC)
WXIA (NBC)
WPIX
Cartoon Network
Spike TV
VH-1
TRUTV
TNT
CMT

Not if you read NPS's Terms and Conditions:

NPS - Your One Call Solution (http://www.callnps.com/terms.htm)

If you read that in full some of the stuff is outdated. NPS don't send invoices out monthly for monthly programming anymore. They need to delete references to that type of billing.

I wonder if you can get them on a technicality because the TOS is outdated?

NPS is a dead issue. We need to look forward to what SRL and Skyvision will do. If anything they won't make the same stupid mistakes NPS did.

At least NPS tried to do things. What has SRL done? Seems to me like Skyvision is the only hope. Or maybe Charlie could get back in the Cband business! And offer the service to videophiles wanting higher quality:D

Or maybe Charlie could get back in the Cband business! And offer the service to videophiles wanting higher quality:D

Charlie is only good at ruining things not making things better.

At least NPS tried to do things. What has SRL done? Seems to me like Skyvision is the only hope. Or maybe Charlie could get back in the Cband business! And offer the service to videophiles wanting higher quality:D

What is this.... you had to come here to this forum to see how much trouble you can stir up because you couldn't get anyone to respond to you on the other one.

Charlie is only good at ruining things not making things better.

Charlie got the $$$$ and he does make some good receivers. He could easily build us the box we need.:D

Charlie is only good at ruining things not making things better.

unless its profit margins for the greedy.

crackt out,.

What is this.... you had to come here to this forum to see how much trouble you can stir up because you couldn't get anyone to respond to you on the other one.

Hey, in case you haven't noticed. I've been a member of this forum since 2005.:eek:

Charlie got the $$$$ and he does make some good receivers. He could easily build us the box we need.:D

If Charlie cared about C band he wouldn't have left it years ago to try to take on Direct tv. Charlies vision is to be king of ALL pay tv. Too bad for Charlie companies like Comcast can eat him for breakfast. :) I don't care for Comcast in general but they do allow us access to HITS so they ain't all bad.

i am glad im not the only one that wish kbghdg would just stop posting in the 4dtv part of the forums

Let's hope that Comcast doesn't decide to change the HITS 19.51 SR muxes to 29.27 combo mode like all their other muxes. There is only one free transponder left on AMC 18. If they want to add a lot more HD, look out.

i am glad im not the only one that wish kbghdg would just stop posting in the 4dtv part of the forums

Don't tell me you have a monetary interest in 4DTV?:D

Don't tell me you have a monetary interest in 4DTV?:D
At least on the other forum I can use the ignore button on your postings because your like an old broken record...same old "BS" nothing but the same from you regardless of the topic.

At least NPS tried to do things. What has SRL done? Seems to me like Skyvision is the only hope.


At least on the other forum I can use the ignore button on your postings because your like an old broken record...same old "BS" nothing but the same from you regardless of the topic.

Tell me Sergie! Why did my post above upset you so much? Does the truth hurt?:eek:

At least on the other forum I can use the ignore button on your postings because your like an old broken record...same old "BS" nothing but the same from you regardless of the topic.

There is an ignore function here. I'm using it. Hint don't respond to his trolling:up

I received an email from NPS about the upcoming changes. It also stated that Blue Highways is leaving in May.

I hate to lose channels too, but I have never saw anything that interests me on BH when flipping through the channels. I can't blame BH for leaving 4dtv if they are losing money. And thanks to people like NPS and S/N/T the numbers probably aren't there for a niche channel like BH.

I guess i'm hated by the 4DTV folks because i feel anybody who spends more than $50 a month on programming would be better off to go somewhere else where HD is offered. Also, i can't help it if my favorite channels happen to be HDNET, ESPN, HBOHD, STARZHD, Palladia and more.:ok:

So you like what you like and the 4DTV guys like what they like.

This isn't a church so please don't preach your religion to those who are not here for a sermon. ;)

So you like what you like and the 4DTV guys like what they like.

This isn't a church so please don't preach your religion to those who are not here for a sermon. ;)


:D

tvropro, I don' think NPS ever offered refunds , only credit for other service. When I had some subcription channels with them years ago, that was a given. And back then, the people answering the phones would always preach that to me every time I called to change/add or order any programming. But then, they started preaching the charlie line every time I called, or when they sent out a bill, so eventually I got on their former-customer list!

So you like what you like and the 4DTV guys like what they like.

This isn't a church so please don't preach your religion to those who are not here for a sermon. ;)

Looks like kbghdg is mocking what you posted...he doesn't give up.

Looks like kbghdg is mocking what you posted...he doesn't give up.

Oh please!!!! I'm not mocking anyone. Just breaking down the sermon i've been hearing you guys preach the last couple of months. Besides, it's only TV. So lighten up!

But this IS the 4Dtv forum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Terry

Oh please!!!! I'm not mocking anyone. Just breaking down the sermon i've been hearing you guys preach the last couple of months. Besides, it's only TV. So lighten up!

Stop and think if you can for just one minute.... It's not "only tv" as you put it. To many of us it is news and information. As far as getting a small dish, I simply can't afford it and neither can the majority. With a total population of almost 309 million in this great country, And only a total of 40 million that have the small dish, What does that tell you? It tells me that the masses are cut off from having the same chance at getting news and information. And not all areas are cabled. I live in one of those areas that will never be cabled. Today my friend it is way more than "only tv.". I am at least trying to find an alternate route. I have the internet and am looking for other outlets for news and entertainment. What stinks is that there are videos here and there, but no constant broadcast of news that I can find. Anyway, the point is that there are more people without a cable or small dish than there are subscribers all across our country. That being the simple fact, we should have all options, C-band included so we can subscribe to what we need. As long as they are launching C-band transponders on birds, we should have that option. I will say this, If Motorola gets out of the C-band business then all bets are off. Dropping that part of their business pretty much opens up the opportunities for others to take over. Just like a car part, when the dealer stops offering "dealer only" parts, others start making and selling them. So maybe in the end we will have another way with our big old dishes. They still make them ya know... ;) Have a great day! :)

Just ignore kbghdg, he likes to go around to forums and give us 4dtv diehards crap. He preaches his pizza dribble and looks for an argument.

I have looked at the cost of pizza and cable per month and they are way over what I would be able to spend right now with the economy as is. I also don't like all the hidden fee's, contracts and the like with them. The few channels on the 4dtv that I get are fine and pricing is right.

It seems at least with me I'm looking for ways to get away from subscription all together. Most of the cable type channels have garbage programming and too many infomercials. I'd rather pay nothing if the channels have garbage and infomercials on. Getting 300 pay channels of garbage and shelling out from $75 to $130 per month for 2 years minimum is not a very wise financial decision.

Just ignore kbghdg, he likes to go around to forums and give us 4dtv diehards crap. He preaches his pizza dribble and looks for an argument.

I don't come to this forum for that and I can go elsewhere for that if that what I really need. What I don't understand is why the people in charge of this forum put up with it as it seems to me it sure doesn't promote Cband/4DTV. We have new people coming on board and they end up listen to his negative remarks. If it's harmful to the forum then they should remove him. How many times can he repeat the same line, it just seems to be endless.

But I guess it's just my opinion.

All the reason you gave for having Cband are the same for me plus I really like the look of the BUD's. The little dishes just don't have the look.

Sergei, I agree with you and seen the chaos he has caused over at satforums. I would PM ICE or Scott and see what they have to say, it's their decision what to do not mine. I agree that we should be promoting the future of 4DTV and beyond. Negative from pizza lovers don't help the situation for us.

BTW... Buds are awesome the bigger the better :)

How many times can he repeat the same line, it just seems to be endless.

He is like my grandson, he has to have the last word no matter what. My grandson is eight this guy must be at least 10.

Just look at his responses after he was warned in a nice way. Just like the battery bunny keeps going and going and going.

He just can't get it through his head that no one here cares about his opinion.

tvropro is correct that he has just about destroyed the 4DTV Forum over at Satforums. I still can't figure out why anyone over there responds to him.

H

tvropro is correct that he has just about destroyed the 4DTV Forums over at Satforums.


We need to nip this in the bud here and not allow it. I guess there's always another one to come along. I thought we were through with all the BS after techfizzle got the boot.

he no longer has access to the 4DTV forum. It will no longer show up in the list for him to see :)

also removed some of the off topic bickering...some I had to keep since there were responses already that were actually constructive :)

Thank You Ice :)

A big thank you Ice :)

Tvropro do not worry about guyz like that trying to steer new 4DTV owners away, i am one of the new 4DTVers and will sub my 922 to the end. It does not take much to tell this guy is all hot air and should find a new hobbie

:cool:Thanks Ice.

Well now I can take my "mod" hat off and put my "member" hat back on :)
(that mod hat doesnt fit right) ;)

But we have the ability to remove a forum from a member who is getting out of hand so they dont even see it. It is used very rarely but in cases like this it was warranted.

Your a great member and moderator Tony. Glad to have you at the helm. :D

i to want to thank you i quit going to the other sat forum on 4dtv, for a minute there thought i was gonna have to quit coming here too

Yeah thanks Ice.
The problem with the other sat forum is there are a lot of people there who just want to try and show how smart they are, they never help any one just posture a lot, this forum seams to be level headed, and helpful, which I appresheate, I remember once on the other forum a few years ago, there was a discussion about how big of a dish you HAD to have to receive C band, if you did not have at least a 10 footer you where an idiot, and it all came down to those who had the equipment to test the signal telling those of us with smaller dishes that our signal was junk even though it looks fine to me!!!
I know Ive said it before but...I like it here!!
Terry

The problem with the other sat forum is there are a lot of people there who just want to try and show how smart they are, they never help any one just posture a lot, this forum seams to be level headed, and helpful, which I appresheate, I remember once on the other forum a few years ago, there was a discussion about how big of a dish you HAD to have to receive C band, if you did not have at least a 10 footer you where an idiot, and it all came down to those who had the equipment to test the signal telling those of us with smaller dishes that our signal was junk even though it looks fine to me!!!
we had someone like that here who said you cant get much on a 6 footer. We proved them wrong. Then it was "you cant get a good quality signal" and we showed them. Then they tried the old "well its not 2 degree compliant"

Heck if I can see a channel I want, I dont care if its 2 degree compliant or not :)



I know Ive said it before but...I like it here!!
Terry

we're glad you're here

I got some decent EBNO readings out of that 6 foot I put up for my clients 410 on W5. I think there were more issues with visible interference back in the analog days. You saw cross polar and the like. With digital unless it's at the cliff you don't notice.

I got some decent EBNO readings out of that 6 foot I put up for my clients 410 on W5. I think there were more issues with visible interference back in the analog days. You saw cross polar and the like. With digital unless it's at the cliff you don't notice.

Question, was the 6 footer a solid dish or mesh. I've got a 6 foot mesh that I need to install as soon as the weather gets better just for the W5 satellite.

solid

It was a Fortec dish if I remember

Well I guess it will be interesting to see what happens.

6 foot Fortec Star from Sadoun with a Geosat Pro LNBF from Satellite AV.

A 6 foot will work well on W5. If you want to get the highest EBNO you will need to get the feed just right. :)

what number on that screen is the ebno number? this is my screen on a 6 foot sami mesh dish that im sure not aligned just perfect

what number on that screen is the ebno number? this is my screen on a 6 foot sami mesh dish that im sure not aligned just perfect

Yours is + 6.8

Here's my 12 foot :eek:

Yours is + 6.8

Here's my 12 foot :eek:
H:eek:LY CRAP! 15.0!... that's as high as they go isn't it?
Most impressive! :D:up

H:eek:LY CRAP! 15.0!... that's as high as they go isn't it?
Most impressive! :D:up

Probably get more than the meter says, but I broke it at +15 :eek:

Like I always say BIGGER IS BETTER. :)

+15 is maxed out on the DC-2.

Threshold is +4 so I have 11 db of headroom, not bad :up

I just got off the phone with NPS. I got all the same info about G3 that was posted earlier BUT I was also told this- Motorola is pulling the plug on all 4DTV C-band authorizations as of the end of the year! Anybody else heard that?

I just got off the phone with NPS. I got all the same info about G3 that was posted earlier BUT I was also told this- Motorola is pulling the plug on all 4DTV C-band authorizations as of the end of the year! Anybody else heard that?

I wouldn't believe much from NPS right now because it seems we get more than one story from them daily and we had more than one posting on this subject. Go with SRL or SkyVision for your programming.
Also I just read this posting on Satforms from Philip (PCHILDS) who said he used to work closely at Motorola with the 4DTV design team and I'm not sure if he's on this forum or not, so I copied what he said.

"For sure there's no plan to stop 4DTV in April. I think that's is 100% safe to share as "my sources" say there's no planed date to shut down 4DTV (I'm not saying it won't happen some day, just that there's no date chosen - as long as there's "enough" programers and subscribers it will be around)."

Philip

Like been said by others take anything from NPS right now with "GREAT UNCERTAINTY"

NPS is blowing smoke still and will continue their charade.

The truth is here:

TvroPro.... What's up with the 4DTV.... (http://www.***********************.com/satellite/4dtv.htm)

NPS is blowing smoke still and will continue their charade.

The truth is here:

TvroPro.... What's up with the 4DTV.... (http://www.***********************.com/satellite/4dtv.htm)

I'm amazed to how many people still haven't caught on to NPS and how misleading they've been. Kind of frightening to thing of all the users who may not even belong to a forum and only relies on NPS for there news. Like been mentioned before I hope maybe SRL or SkyVision could get Motorola to output a mailing to all the 4DTV receivers to the truth., might help the fallout.

NPS is doing an injustice to all 4DTV users. It's a dirty little plan sealed behind close doors with the CEO of NPS and Dish Network. NPS is being ruthless about this too. All we can do is keep getting the word out and hope that a massive mailing happens to the 4DTV receivers soon. Everyday though NPS takes out more unsuspecting innocent 4DTV users with there campaign.

The more posted here though gets spydered by the search engines. Sat Guys has high ranking on search engines.

I worry that the typical 4DTV user may never know this website even exists unless they ran into a problem and tried to repair it themselves. My quest for information is what led me here 3 years ago.

I really wish they would send out the message with the 4DTV mailbox system to all receivers.


( For the little off topic dish discussion above... I will relax my 6' dish C band DVB-S2 observations now. I found out I can receive the S2 on 95° with one of my Prodelins with 65Q.) :D

Oh please!!!! I'm not mocking anyone. Just breaking down the sermon i've been hearing you guys preach the last couple of months. Besides, it's only TV. So lighten up!

It isn'y only TV, it is TV that users directly subscribe to and pay good money for, and with a subscription service that is on very shakey ground. You wouln't laugh it your provider was taking away channels you already paid for, and didn't refund you, would you?


If it were free TV, I wouldn't sweat it so much.

I am not affected by this mess, at least directly, for I don't subscribe to anything but Shaw direct. I could be affected because they use DCII, and the Authorization Center at San Diego.

"For sure there's no plan to stop 4DTV in April. I think that's is 100% safe to share as "my sources" say there's no planed date to shut down 4DTV (I'm not saying it won't happen some day, just that there's no date chosen - as long as there's "enough" programers and subscribers it will be around)."

Philip




It only makes sense, why would they stop supporting as long as they are making money?!

I wonder how many subs NPS really has, I know they claim having the majority, but it would be interesting to know the truth, as it would be interesting to know how many people still use 4Dtv.
Terry

NPS sub numbers I'm sure have been adjusted for the largest impact to keep there swap out campaign believable to the unsuspecting subscriber.

Probably get more than the meter says, but I broke it at +15 :eek:

Like I always say BIGGER IS BETTER. :)

+15 is maxed out on the DC-2.

Threshold is +4 so I have 11 db of headroom, not bad :up

I have the same dish as TVPro and with a pair of CalAmp LNB's and a little tweaking last weekend I am getting 15's across the arc except for AMC3 and AMC2,4. Those are at a mere 12!

I have the same dish as TVPro and with a pair of CalAmp LNB's and a little tweaking last weekend I am getting 15's across the arc except for AMC3 and AMC2,4. Those are at a mere 12!


I thought +15 was the norm :eek: :D Gotta love that 12-XL :)

I thought +15 was the norm :eek: :D Gotta love that 12-XL :)

I thought it was tracking well with +12 on most sats and a couple of +15.Then after a couple of heavy wet snows I was breaking up on some S2 feeds. Finally had some decent weather this wekkend,lowered the dish about four degrees and now think I am using eleven feet of it anyway!Next good weekennd I will try to prove the myth of +15 wrong and report back with a +17 or +20!

I wouldn't believe much from NPS right now because it seems we get more than one story from them daily and we had more than one posting on this subject. Go with SRL or SkyVision for your programming.
Also I just read this posting on Satforms from Philip (PCHILDS) who said he used to work closely at Motorola with the 4DTV design team and I'm not sure if he's on this forum or not, so I copied what he said.

"For sure there's no plan to stop 4DTV in April. I think that's is 100% safe to share as "my sources" say there's no planed date to shut down 4DTV (I'm not saying it won't happen some day, just that there's no date chosen - as long as there's "enough" programers and subscribers it will be around)."

Philip

Like been said by others take anything from NPS right now with "GREAT UNCERTAINTY"


Well this has gone on long enough... Time to get to the bottom of this mess. There is a wonderful service here in the great state of Indiana. The att. Gen calls it the consumer complaint form. I'm filling one out since I live in Indiana. See what happens. I know that if Moto is not shutting down, and NPS says that moto is, That will spell trouble for NPS. We do not need fraud involved in getting people to sign up to any service. Period. If people were / are misslead in signing any contract, that is a Bozo No No. Have a great day! :)

Note: I will post a copy of the complaint as soon as I get it printed and mailed.

The weird thing is that what NPS has on their website and what their CSR's say when they call are two different things...

You go Stone!!

Well this has gone on long enough... Time to get to the bottom of this mess. There is a wonderful service here in the great state of Indiana. The att. Gen calls it the consumer complaint form. I'm filling one out since I live in Indiana. See what happens. I know that if Moto is not shutting down, and NPS says that moto is, That will spell trouble for NPS. We do not need fraud involved in getting people to sign up to any service. Period. If people were / are misslead in signing any contract, that is a Bozo No No. Have a great day! :)

Note: I will post a copy of the complaint as soon as I get it printed and mailed.
Same here in Pennsylvania. I just filed an on-line complaint. The state AG's office has been helpful in the past (they nailed Dishnet on my behalf) so I am optimistic.

I just received a response from TNT. The last I heard there was about 20 thousand subs to C-band. So in my letter the term Tens of thousands is correct. He he he. Anyways here is what I received so far.....



Thank you for contacting TNT.

Your feedback is valued and will be received and reviewed by a member of our TNT web staff. All communications will be reported to the appropriate departments.

Should your correspondence require a response, please resubmit a ticket using the appropriate selection. Make sure the subject: “QUESTION” is selected. We will make every attempt to provide a response to you in a timely manner.

Many answers can be found by utilizing the extensive Knowledge Base that has been established for your convenience and we encourage you to explore this tool thoroughly. TNT receives an extraordinarily high volume of emails and common questions such as issues with Full Episode Viewing, how to buy DVD’s of our shows and how to find your favorite programs on the schedule have been thoroughly addressed in the Knowledge Base.

PLEASE NOTE: The more specific you are when making your feedback selections, the more accurate the information you will receive will be.

Thank you for watching!

Best,
TNT Web Staff

Ticket Information:Ticket #:5450-5033002Date Created:3/10/2010 6:26 AM EDTDetails:

Good day,
I am one of several thousands of subscribers that have tv delivered by the big old dish. Many of us live in uncabled areas with no plans for us to have cable service. We also simply can't afford the prices of the small dish services. Not to mention loss of signal that the small dishes have during bad weather. It has been told to us that TNT has elected to stop broadcasting on C-band by April first. There are other providers besides NPS. NPS has elected to get out of the C-band business. Are there plans to go with another provider? Skyvision is very actice in the C-band arena. I hope that you and the other networks on G-3 wil continue to send your signal to the thousands of us that are stuck with c-band. The total viewership is in it's self the size of a small cable company. We should not be forgotten.
Any info on this would be appreciated. Unless we have another way to get your programming that is affordable, you have lost tens of thousands of subscribers.
Thank You for your time.




All we can do is wait and see. I still have not received any response from Fox or CNN as of yet. Maybe they don't care about their viewers. Looks like Al-Jazeera for the news now as they are FTA. I even mentioned that in my letters to Fox and CNN hoping to get some response. Oh well life goes on. Besides, if Moto gets out of the 4d bussiness, then someone could come up with a way to mod our units to keep them going. If Moto gets out of the bussiness, then there is no damages or problem using a program like 4play or something similar to get the most out of them. There are a ton of digicipher signals out there and it would be a shame if they could not be subbed to. Maybe somebody will be able to make a digicipher receiver with more possibilities of subbing to channels that we can't now due to the stranglehold that Moto has at the moment. Once they out, they out in my opinion. Have a great day! :)

My complaint to the AG.....



Thank you for your time,
First off I would like to inform you of some misleading statements from the company named above. I at the moment have only one thing in mind and I do not know if there is anything you can do. I certianly hope however that you could at least get to the bottom of this.
For many years now NPS, (National Programming Service,) has provided C-band satellite service for thousands of people. This year they decided to shut down operations because of lack of subscribers. I do not argue with that. What I do have a problem with is their way of informing their customers like me and directing them to Dish Network. They are telling people that Motorola is stopping their support of the digicipher receiver known as the 4dtv receiver. This was to take effect this spring. After doing much research I have found this to be a total lie. Motorola is continuing their support for the forseeable future. Manipulating people by giving false info is no good. Hope you can help.


When asked how I would like this resolved this is what I told the AG..

First release the "exclusive" rights to the channels they carry so other uplinkers can sell them.
Second be truthful and explain that there are other C-band uplinkers to go to if they like. Not claim that there is no hope but for Dish Network.
Third don't charge for services not delivered.

All one can do now is wait. I wanted to go into much more detail however the AG web site limited the size of the complaint. If they have questions, they should call. Have a great day! :)

way to go stone, i hope this will open some eyes and make NPS start telling the truth