PLEASE don't tell me this backwater satellite company doesn't have the Travel Channel in HD!! Really? I mean REALLY??

Oh man. I hated giving up E*. Good service. Good hardware. I had heard bad things about DTV's HD box but I thought I could get around that (side note- HR23 is awful. sure hope none of you DTV subs are under the impression it's anywhere near as good as the VIP722. it's not even close).

I could have lived with that but for CRAPS sake, you really do not have Travel Channel HD??? Oh man, so much. Can even ONE of you tell me why I should keep this turd around and not figure out a way to get a Dish 500 mounted inside my new condo?

Go ahead mods. Go ahead and move this to the Warzone. I know no one goes there. Just wanted you DTV subs to know you are full of crap. Dish has a better service. And NO, the freaking HD picture does NOT look better on D*. grumble..

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/7576/crazyfacesp2.jpg

PLEASE don't tell me this backwater satellite company doesn't have the Travel Channel in HD!! Really? I mean REALLY??

Oh man. I hated giving up E*. Good service. Good hardware. I had heard bad things about DTV's HD box but I thought I could get around that (side note- HR23 is awful. sure hope none of you DTV subs are under the impression it's anywhere near as good as the VIP722. it's not even close).

I could have lived with that but for CRAPS sake, you really do not have Travel Channel HD??? Oh man, so much. Can even ONE of you tell me why I should keep this turd around and not figure out a way to get a Dish 500 mounted inside my new condo?

Go ahead mods. Go ahead and move this to the Warzone. I know no one goes there. Just wanted you DTV subs to know you are full of crap. Dish has a better service. And NO, the freaking HD picture does NOT look better on D*. grumble..

Lets see.....
You KNEW that D* didn't have the channels you wanted and you had a pre conceived idea that the hardware was not as good as you want ......

But you went and SIGNED UP for D* ANYWAYS ?

I think you need to look in the mirror, if you knew all this going in. (there's NO REASON why you wouldn't have known this.

FWIW, many of us have NO PROBLEMS with our HD DVRS and we know that more HD is coming as soon as the new sat gets turned on.

PLEASE don't tell me this backwater satellite company doesn't have the Travel Channel in HD!! Really? I mean REALLY??

Oh man. I hated giving up E*. Good service. Good hardware. I had heard bad things about DTV's HD box but I thought I could get around that (side note- HR23 is awful. sure hope none of you DTV subs are under the impression it's anywhere near as good as the VIP722. it's not even close).

I could have lived with that but for CRAPS sake, you really do not have Travel Channel HD??? Oh man, so much. Can even ONE of you tell me why I should keep this turd around and not figure out a way to get a Dish 500 mounted inside my new condo?

Go ahead mods. Go ahead and move this to the Warzone. I know no one goes there. Just wanted you DTV subs to know you are full of crap. Dish has a better service. And NO, the freaking HD picture does NOT look better on D*. grumble..

Sorry, but you come accross as an idiot. If you didn't take the time to research the programming and equipment for a new satellite provider that you are about to sign a two year contract with then you deserve everything you get.

Honestly, It seems that E* is the best choice for you, and the only one that you will be happy with. I would get rid of D* and figure out a way to get the dish 500 to work in your situation.

Go ahead mods. Go ahead and move this to the Warzone.

My pleasure to accomadate your request.

I just got D* installed this week previously had E* and the HD picture quality is much better then E*. The DVR is not as good but its not that bad, plus MRV is a big plus.

PLEASE don't tell me this backwater satellite company doesn't have the Travel Channel in HD!! Really? I mean REALLY??

Oh man. I hated giving up E*. Good service. Good hardware. I had heard bad things about DTV's HD box but I thought I could get around that (side note- HR23 is awful. sure hope none of you DTV subs are under the impression it's anywhere near as good as the VIP722. it's not even close).

I could have lived with that but for CRAPS sake, you really do not have Travel Channel HD??? Oh man, so much. Can even ONE of you tell me why I should keep this turd around and not figure out a way to get a Dish 500 mounted inside my new condo?

Go ahead mods. Go ahead and move this to the Warzone. I know no one goes there. Just wanted you DTV subs to know you are full of crap. Dish has a better service. And NO, the freaking HD picture does NOT look better on D*. grumble..
Don't hold back now.:D:D

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/7576/crazyfacesp2.jpg
Thats a picture of my face after reading this.:D:D

Lets see.....
You KNEW that D* didn't have the channels you wanted and you had a pre conceived idea that the hardware was not as good as you want ......

But you went and SIGNED UP for D* ANYWAYS ?

I think you need to look in the mirror, if you knew all this going in. (there's NO REASON why you wouldn't have known this.

. I agree, a little research never hurts.
There really is no excuse.

He probably doesn't even have Directv and is still a Dish sub.

He probably doesn't even have Directv and is still a Dish sub.
Test Him.
Ask him something only a D* subscriber would know.;)

List the Channel numbers that the 101 is shown on?

I'll give you a hint, Its not just channel 101.

I know I know ;)

Kind of intresting, in that rather you are a Dish Sub or a Direct Sub we usually always recommend makeing sure that the provider has what you are looking for (HD National Channels, HD Moviies, Sports Packackes and such)

Thanks for the support all! :D

Oh, don't worry, I am fer realz in the same boat as the rest of you DTV schlubs. My new building is hard-wired for DTV and there really isn't any way I could get Dish Network in with my new situation (I had to choose between D* or TW cable). But I figured "What the heck!". I mean, all these glowing comments about DTV I've read all these years... how could I go wrong?

I just want to know how it is that DTV subs can possibly think you're the HD leader when a BASIC freakin channel like Travel HD is not available on the service?

Btw, thanks for any ad-hom attacks up front. I don't really care how I come across. I am pissed about this.

I didn't know that channel got watched. That would be the least of my worries but it's funny in a way.

No reason to watch it on DTV. It's not in HD. NEXT!

Thanks for the support all! :D

Oh, don't worry, I am fer realz in the same boat as the rest of you DTV schlubs. My new building is hard-wired for DTV and there really isn't any way I could get Dish Network in with my new situation (I had to choose between D* or TW cable). But I figured "What the heck!". I mean, all these glowing comments about DTV I've read all these years... how could I go wrong?

I just want to know how it is that DTV subs can possibly think you're the HD leader when a BASIC freakin channel like Travel HD is not available on the service?

Btw, thanks for any ad-hom attacks up front. I don't really care how I come across. I am pissed about this.

There are channels that DISH doesn't have either.

Please name one decent one in HD that is worth watching regularly that Dish does not have. Seriously I am clutching at straws right now. I'll take any little thing to make DTV not seem like the only slightly better alternative to cable that it is thus far. And even if you do, there still is no justifying how the alleged "leader in HD" does not have a basic HD channel like Travel HD.

What puzzles me is the guys around here (and other forums) boast about what a great switch they made when you went from E* to D*. How can anyone honestly say that? The difference in hardware is not just a matter of getting used to one or the other, it's a HUGE problem. I cannot even begin to compare the Dish box with the DTV box. It would be like comparing a Ferrari to a VW bug. Why even bother?

Please name one decent one in HD that is worth watching regularly that Dish does not have. Seriously I am clutching at straws right now. I'll take any little thing to make DTV not seem like the only slightly better alternative to cable that it is thus far. And even if you do, there still is no justifying how the alleged "leader in HD" does not have a basic HD channel like Travel HD.

What puzzles me is the guys around here (and other forums) boast about what a great switch they made when you went from E* to D*. How can anyone honestly say that? The difference in hardware is not just a matter of getting used to one or the other, it's a HUGE problem. I cannot even begin to compare the Dish box with the DTV box. It would be like comparing a Ferrari to a VW bug. Why even bother?
YES

I know you cannot be telling me I should get excited about watching Yankees and Nets games. Whoop tee doO!

Well, everyone has different interests and wants. D* obviously does not meet your expectations, personally, I would check out TWC in your case.

For me, D* meets and excedes mine.

Wow. I just cannot believe I would even consider cable after all these years. I'll tell ya what bothers me- all these posts, even yours, telling me what a great solution D* is for you. I just don't get it.

I am stuck with DirecTV now for a year. Maybe it will grow on me. Man, I hope so. In the meantime I am going to see if I can figure out some way to get Dish again once my DTV contract is up.

Wow. I just cannot believe I would even consider cable after all these years. I'll tell ya what bothers me- all these posts, even yours, telling me what a great solution D* is for you. I just don't get it.

I am stuck with DirecTV now for a year. Maybe it will grow on me. Man, I hope so. In the meantime I am going to see if I can figure out some way to get Dish again once my DTV contract is up.

Stuck for a year, better double check that, a HD install should be a two year commitment.

Sorry that it bothers you that D* is a great solution for me.

For what I want, sports, good CS, good HD pq, ect, D* simply meets my needs better. That is it. Like I said, everyone has different interests. For ME, travel channel is not a big deal. For you it is.

Stuck for a year, better double check that, a HD install should be a two year commitment.
That is true, unless they changed it.

Please name one decent one in HD that is worth watching regularly that Dish does not have. Seriously I am clutching at straws right now. I'll take any little thing to make DTV not seem like the only slightly better alternative to cable that it is thus far. And even if you do, there still is no justifying how the alleged "leader in HD" does not have a basic HD channel like Travel HD.

What puzzles me is the guys around here (and other forums) boast about what a great switch they made when you went from E* to D*. How can anyone honestly say that? The difference in hardware is not just a matter of getting used to one or the other, it's a HUGE problem. I cannot even begin to compare the Dish box with the DTV box. It would be like comparing a Ferrari to a VW bug. Why even bother?

Channel 213 MLB Network
Channel 101
Smithsonian Ch 267

Channel 213 MLB Network
Channel 101
Smithsonian Ch 267 He said Decent channels.:p:p

Thanks for the support all! :D

Oh, don't worry, I am fer realz in the same boat as the rest of you DTV schlubs. My new building is hard-wired for DTV and there really isn't any way I could get Dish Network in with my new situation (I had to choose between D* or TW cable). But I figured "What the heck!". I mean, all these glowing comments about DTV I've read all these years... how could I go wrong?

I just want to know how it is that DTV subs can possibly think you're the HD leader when a BASIC freakin channel like Travel HD is not available on the service?

Btw, thanks for any ad-hom attacks up front. I don't really care how I come across. I am pissed about this.
Probably because they have more of the channels I watch in HD, including my locals (9 of them).

Trust me, Travel HD will be coming.

Please name one decent one in HD that is worth watching regularly that Dish does not have.
MLBNet
101
Smithsonian
4 of my local stations
Extra Innings
Sunday Ticket
Mega March Madness
Hot Pass

I can name more

He said Decent channels.:p:p
The channel I watch more than any other singe channel is MLBNet

The channel I watch more than any other singe channel is MLBNet I feel bad for your wife.:p

I feel bad for your wife.:p
Actually, she is a huge baseball fan too and loves that channel as well.




















Unfortunately, she is a friggen Giants fan :rant:

Just like our politics, we also differ in our favorite sports teams.

Unfortunately, she is a friggen Giants fan :rant:

. Now I feel bad for you.:D

Probably because they have more of the channels I watch in HD, including my locals (9 of them).

Trust me, Travel HD will be coming.

Well, fer starters you are a Dodger fan so you an' me are square from the get go. Go Blue!

But I still ain't got any Travel HD. My favorite show, No Reservations, is on that channel. Now I cannot watch it simply because it is not in HD (I do not watch non-HD content).

Seriously, I TRUSTED you guys here. I always thought after reading all of the posts here that Dish and DTV would at least be equivelant to one another on programming. But they truly are not. A few extra sports channels here and there and Smithsonian HD are not worth a trade off for Travel HD. Travel HD is one of the best channels available period. You DTV subs just would not know it because it looks like a$$ on your service.

And hardware? Like I said, it ain't even close. I am someone who has gone between the two with recent experience. So for anyone on the fence about choosing between the two services, CHOOSE DISH! The VIP box alone is worth it. Dish could have half the HD programming of DTV and it would still be worth it just to get their HD box over the lousy DTV offering.

And yes, I have a two year commitment to DTV. I'll consider breaking it early if I can come up with a plan that works.

The channel I watch more than any other singe channel is MLBNet

same here :)

Seriously, I TRUSTED you guys here. I always thought after reading all of the posts here that Dish and DTV would at least be equivelant to one another on programming. But they truly are not. A few extra sports channels here and there and Smithsonian HD are not worth a trade off for Travel HD. Travel HD is one of the best channels available period. You DTV subs just would not know it because it looks like a$$ on your service.


I can say I have never seen more than 10 minutes of the travel channel so I could care less if its in HD or not :)

Well, fer starters you are a Dodger fan so you an' me are square from the get go. Go Blue!

But I still ain't got any Travel HD. My favorite show, No Reservations, is on that channel. Now I cannot watch it simply because it is not in HD (I do not watch non-HD content).

Seriously, I TRUSTED you guys here. I always thought after reading all of the posts here that Dish and DTV would at least be equivelant to one another on programming. But they truly are not. A few extra sports channels here and there and Smithsonian HD are not worth a trade off for Travel HD. Travel HD is one of the best channels available period. You DTV subs just would not know it because it looks like a$$ on your service.

And hardware? Like I said, it ain't even close. I am someone who has gone between the two with recent experience. So for anyone on the fence about choosing between the two services, CHOOSE DISH! The VIP box alone is worth it. Dish could have half the HD programming of DTV and it would still be worth it just to get their HD box over the lousy DTV offering.

And yes, I have a two year commitment to DTV. I'll consider breaking it early if I can come up with a plan that works.
It does sound like Dish is the better choice for you. Wait a couple of months and I guarantee you will be at least a little bit happier. ;) Not saying you will like Direct as much as Dish, but some of your request will be met.

I can say I have never seen more than 10 minutes of the travel channel so I could care less if its in HD or not :)

Look Iceberg, I trurst (or used to trust) your opinion. But the fact the channel is not in HD in DirecTV is not really something that's excusable for the "HD leader". All channels are subjective in content and how it relates to their audience. But I really did not think "research" was necessary to figure out if the go d a m a n "HD leader" carried a BASIC FREAKING CHANNEL IN HD!

Look Iceberg, I trurst (or used to trust) your opinion. But the fact the channel is not in HD in DirecTV is not really something that's excusable for the "HD leader". All channels are subjective in content and how it relates to their audience. But I really did not think "research" was necessary to figure out if the go d a m a n "HD leader" carried a BASIC FREAKING CHANNEL IN HD!
You've been a member here since 2005 and you did not know that Direct does not carry Travel HD yet?

It does sound like Dish is the better choice for you. Wait a couple of months and I guarantee you will be at least a little bit happier. ;) Not saying you will like Direct as much as Dish, but some of your request will be met.

Dish is the better choice for most anyone in my opinion. Simply basing that statement on the box alone. I have noticed the best any DTV sub can come up with when comparing the boxes is "The D* box is not that bad". Here's the thing

YES IT IS!!!

It sucks. On ice. What is it some Motorola pieca crap? Honestly it is garbage. Time Warner has better boxes. That is saying something.

Back to the Travel HD thing. Not trying to attack you but WHY THE HELL AM I "WAITING" FOR AN HD CHANNEL TO BE ADDED ON THE GOLDARN "HD LEADER"? Man, I know I am just talking to you guys and it's not like you are making the decisions for DTV. But really, there is no way you can think DTV is better than Dish if you have had both. I am just holding out hope they that after a while I might figure out a way to convince myself they are equal... in some way. I can't imagine how just yet.

Look Iceberg, I trurst (or used to trust) your opinion.

why because the channel you want I could care less about yet we post channels that are in HD on D* and not on E* and you dont care about those.

Seriously if you asked me what channel Travel was on D* or E* I would have no clue (and I have D* now and had E*)

You've been a member here since 2005 and you did not know that Direct does not carry Travel HD yet?

Sigh- no, I did not. But if you read my earlier posts you'll see that I simply had no choice but to go with DTV. I really thought the dang "HD leader" would have the basics covered. They don't.

why because the channel you want I could care less about yet we post channels that are in HD on D* and not on E* and you dont care about those.

Seriously if you asked me what channel Travel was on D* or E* I would have no clue (and I have D* now and had E*)

No no. I was referring to past posts of yours. I usually like what you have to say on a variety of subjects. I've been around here for a while.

But forgetting the Travel channel thing for a minute, even you have to admit there is no comparison between the Dish and DTV hardware.

But forgetting the Travel channel thing for a minute, even you have to admit there is no comparison between the Dish and DTV hardware.

I did not have a DVR through Dish.....well I did have a 508 about 5+ years ago but I sold that right after I got it....too many reboots ;)
I used a 301 for the longest time

Other than when I am on a sports channel it does take a few more seconds for the remote to respond I havent had issues with the DVR.

But forgetting the Travel channel thing for a minute, even you have to admit there is no comparison between the Dish and DTV hardware.

IMHO it depends on what you want to compare. Yes, the DirecTV HD DVR's are slower, don't have a HD GUI, don't have PIP or the TV2 output. But then the Dish HD DVR's don't have MediaShare, don't have MultiRoom viewing, don't have TVApps, don't have DirecTV2PC, don't have The Weather Channel "Locals on the 8's".

Dish is the better choice for most anyone in my opinion. Simply basing that statement on the box alone. I have noticed the best any DTV sub can come up with when comparing the boxes is "The D* box is not that bad". Here's the thing
I would say it is better for many, but I would not say most. If so, then Direct would not have 4 million more subs than Dish.

I can honestly say that Direct is the better choice for me. Direct offers channels and packages that I really love and are not offered on Dish. And with my setup and the channels I want, Direct is actually less expensive for me than Dish

I did not have a DVR through Dish.....well I did have a 508 about 5+ years ago but I sold that right after I got it....too many reboots ;)
I used a 301 for the longest time

Other than when I am on a sports channel it does take a few more seconds for the remote to respond I havent had issues with the DVR.

Ah ok. Got it. Well, I can tell you first hand that the most recent Dish DVR blows the most recent DTV offering out of the water. Like I said earlier- it ain't even close. Features and, most importantly, responsiveness are vastly superior on the Dish VIP boxes.

Thinking back over the years I have been posting here, it all comes home now how may posts I have seen from E* subs changing to D* and then commenting "the D* box is not that bad". Compared to the Dish box? Yea, it is. Truly. It really reallllly is. Denial is not a river in Egypt. The DirecTV box is... just a damn turd.

I would say it is better for many, but I would not say most. If so, then Direct would not have twice as many subs as Dish.

I can honestly say that Direct is the better choice for me. Direct offers channels and packages that I really love and are not offered on Dish. And with my setup and the channels I want, Direct is actually less expensive for me than Dish

Not doubting your choice in terms of programming and costs even, Dodger. But DTV has more subs than Dish because of cool marketing. Nothing more. Dish is a better service overall.

Not doubting your choice in terms of programming and costs even, Dodger. But DTV has more subs than Dish because of cool marketing. Nothing more. Dish is a better service overall.
Marketing, programming, price, setups, interest, needs, and exclusive packages all contribute to sub choices

As far as their DVRs go, I cannot comment since I have never used a Dish DVR. From what I have read, Dish's DVRs are faster and do some things Direct's don't. While Direct's DVRs are more interactive and do some things that Dish's don't.

IMHO it depends on what you want to compare. Yes, the DirecTV HD DVR's are slower, don't have a HD GUI, don't have PIP or the TV2 output. But then the Dish HD DVR's don't have MediaShare, don't have MultiRoom viewing, don't have TVApps, don't have DirecTV2PC, don't have The Weather Channel "Locals on the 8's".

You forget the OTA out on the Dish receiver and the fact that I could record three shows simultaneously with their hardware. But ok.

I am sure I'll look into the bells and whistles offered on DTV like you mention. What I am driving at here is I cannot believe after all the years I have heard how great DTV is, especially when compared to Dish, that now that I am here and really able to compare the two, just how much better Dish is overall.

You forget the OTA out on the Dish receiver and the fact that I could record three shows simultaneously with their hardware. But ok.



DirecTV HD DVR's can do OTA, just add the AM21, just like the new Dish 722K you need to add an OTA module.

You forget the OTA out on the Dish receiver and the fact that I could record three shows simultaneously with their hardware. But ok.

I am sure I'll look into the bells and whistles offered on DTV like you mention. What I am driving at here is I cannot believe after all the years I have heard how great DTV is, especially when compared to Dish, that now that I am here and really able to compare the two, just how much better Dish is overall.
My HR20-100 has an OTA tuner built in.

Here is a screen shot of my guide with the OTA channels (black labels are OTA)

http://www.satelliteguys.us/attachment.php?attachmentid=48504&stc=1&d=1268453240

As far as their DVRs go, I cannot comment since I have never used a Dish DVR. From what I have read, Dish's DVRs are faster and do some things Direct's don't. While Direct's DVRs are more interactive and do some things that Dish's don't.

Dodger- they aren't even in the same ball park in terms of performance. Everytime I fire up the HR23, I feel a twinge of remorse that I ever let the VIP go. I just... I had no choice. Darnit all. The problem I am having with DirecTV though is not that I can't live with a few things not being equal with Dish. THe problem I am having is the drop off between the two is so big. Forget this talk about who's better - I can't find even one area where DTV is better than Dish.

Dodger- they aren't even in the same ball park in terms of performance. Everytime I fire up the HR23, I feel a twinge of remorse that I ever let the VIP go. I just... I had no choice. Darnit all. The problem I am having with DirecTV though is not that I can't live with a few things not being equal with Dish. THe problem I am having is the drop off between the two is so big. Forget this talk about who's better - I can't find even one area where DTV is better than Dish.
For you.


For others, like myself, they do have things that are better:

Sport packages and channels
More locals in HD
Interactive DVR features
MRV
DirecTV2PC

DirecTV HD DVR's can do OTA, just add the AM21, just like the new Dish 722K you need to add an OTA module.

I got the HR23 with my DTV deal. I don't know a whole lot about the new Dish offerings. But you should drop any attempt at a favorable comparison between the two service in terms of hardware design and performance. Seriously, not close. Not close at all.

For you.


For others, like myself, they do have things that are better.

I am trying to articulate for the average consumer that Dish IS the better offering in almost every way. That does not invalidate your statement. But on the whole, Dish is better when compared apples to apples. Look at the comments here in this thread alone. When complaining about a basic channel like Travel HD not being offered on DTV the response is "well who watches that anyway?". You guys sound like TW subs defending their lousy offering. And again, for you, or ANYONE, the box from Dish is better. It is BETTER. That is not a subjective statement.

When complaining about a basic channel like Travel HD
basic maybe for you but for others (as noted) they could care less

hell my local cable company (Crapcast) doesnt carry it either

I am trying to articulate for the average consumer that Dish IS the better offering in almost every way. That does not invalidate your statement. But on the whole, Dish is better when compared apples to apples. Look at the comments here in this thread alone. When complaining about a basic channel like Travel HD not being offered on DTV the response is "well who watches that anyway?". You guys sound like TW subs defending their lousy offering. And again, for you, or ANYONE, the box from Dish is better. It is BETTER. That is not a subjective statement.

You might want to go back to when Dish had capacity problems and see all the post from Dish customers about where is SciFi, where is Speed, where is FX, all channels that DirecTV had and Dish didn't for over a year. Or even now the folks that have only a 110/119/61.5 set up and without any warning can't get the latest HD channel additions.

Yes, a bunch of folks want more HD on DirecTV and once DirecTV12 satellite goes active in the next few weeks expect Travel Channel HD to be one of the 1st channels added, along with a bunch of others.

I am trying to articulate for the average consumer that Dish IS the better offering in almost every way. That does not invalidate your statement. But on the whole, Dish is better when compared apples to apples. Look at the comments here in this thread alone. When complaining about a basic channel like Travel HD not being offered on DTV the response is "well who watches that anyway?". You guys sound like TW subs defending their lousy offering. And again, for you, or ANYONE, the box from Dish is better. It is BETTER. That is not a subjective statement.
But it is subjective. Just like the MAC vs PC debate

Of course Dish's boxes are faster, but what is actually better is a matter of preference determined by what one wants to do. If one wants to use PC streaming software, or share content between multiple DVRs, or have quick access to scores, then Direct's DVRs are better for them and Dish's DVRs do not do any of these things.

basic maybe for you but for others (as noted) they could care less

hell my local cable company (Crapcast) doesnt carry it either

Darn it dude- you just backed up my previous statement. Saying a channel doesn't matter or "people could care less" is not a freakin good enough reason for the "HD LEADER" to not carry it!!!!

And to comment on the channel- it is top notch in HD. And content is excellent. But as stated earlier why would any HD DTV subs know that or even care about it?

IT'S NOT IN HD ON DIRECTV!

But it is subjective.

Of course Dish's boxes are faster, but what is actually better is a matter of preference determined by what one wants to do. If one wants to use PC streaming software, or share content between multiple DVRs, or have quick access to scores, then Direct's DVRs are better for them and Dish's DVRs do not do any of these things.

I ain't buying that. Faster is ALWAYS better. For the vast majority of people, Dish's hardware will be MUCH better. There are some bells and whistles you're referring to that will be nice... for a few. Dish is better overall.

I ain't buying that. Faster is ALWAYS better. For the vast majority of people, Dish's hardware will be MUCH better. There are some bells and whistles you're referring to that will be nice... for a few. Dish is better overall.
So a top fuel funny car is better than a NASCAR on a NASCAR track? After all, faster is ALWAYS better.

So a top fuel funny car is better than a NASCAR on a NASCAR track? After all, faster is ALWAYS better.

I said apples to apples comparison. That is what DTV vs Dish is on this topic. You are comparing peaches to plumbs. :)

I ain't buying that. Faster is ALWAYS better. For the vast majority of people, Dish's hardware will be MUCH better. There are some bells and whistles you're referring to that will be nice... for a few. Dish is better overall.

In your opinion Dish is better overall, please stop saying it's better for everyone since it isn't.

I said apples to apples comparison. That is what DTV vs Dish is on this topic. You are comparing peaches to plumbs. :)
The point being, both race cars have the same purpose, to get from point a to point b faster than the other cars. But both also have qualities unique to a particular track and particular situation, thus making one better for particular situations. Just like the DVRs. If the goal is to win a race doing only left turns, then a NASCAR is better since a funny car cannot turn very well. If the goal is to go as fast as you can in a straight line, then a funny car is better since a NASCAR cannot go as fast.

If one wants to use MRV viewing, then Direct is the better choice for a DVR since Dish cannot do MRV. If one just wants to flip channels faster (which too me is not that big of a deal since it is only fractions of a second or maybe a little over a second difference) or to watch more than one TV from one DVR, then Dish's DVRs are better.

In your opinion Dish is better overall, please stop saying it's better for everyone since it isn't.
I am sure the majority of their 18 million subs wont agree with him.

In your opinion Dish is better overall, please stop saying it's better for everyone since it isn't.

Look, I never said it's better for "everyone". I went back and scanned my posts so hopefully I did not say that.

IT IS BETTER FOR MOST PEOPLE!

I can back that statement up. I have done so here for the most part. The hardware peformance alone makes Dish a better offering for the average HD sub. I'm sure I'll eventually figure out some cool things to do with the DTV dvr. But for most people who simply want to plug and play, Dish is FAR better. What is it about you guys that you just cannot admit that? Granted, I understand you cannot do this if you have only had one service all along. But if you have had both, I can tell you from experience there is no comparison.

I know you cannot be telling me I should get excited about watching Yankees and Nets games. Whoop tee doO!

Why don't you ask the 12,000,000 million people in the metropolitan NYC area that question?

Now we are just debating in circles. I think we all understand your point and realize you are disappointed with Direct. We also know that Dish is a much better option for you.

Okay, I won't delete my last post, but seriously guys, the OP is clearly a troll, please stop feeding him right now!

I am sure the majority of their 18 million subs wont agree with him.

Why not? DTV marketing? I am here to tell any Dish subs, if you are thinking about switching- DON'T! I did so because I had no choice. People who switch right now from E* to D* and actually have a choice are making a huge mistake. Of course, typical human nature is you'll spend time trying to justify it. DON'T DO IT!

Look, I never said it's better for "everyone". I went back and scanned my posts so hopefully I did not say that.

IT IS BETTER FOR MOST PEOPLE!

I can back that statement up. I have done so here for the most part. The hardware peformance alone makes Dish a better offering for the average HD sub. I'm sure I'll eventually figure out some cool things to do with the DTV dvr. But for most people who simply want to plug and play, Dish is FAR better. What is it about you guys that you just cannot admit that? Granted, I understand you cannot do this if you have only had one service all along. But if you have had both, I can tell you from experience there is no comparison.

OK, sorry, you are correct, you said for the averge user.

You have your beliefs that Dish is better for the average HD sub and that's your opinion, others will disagree with you, that's life. That said I think you should scrape up the early termination fee ASAP and cancel DirecTV since you have such bad feelings towards the product, every time you pick up the remote you're going to be bitching about it. Life's too short to get so worked up about TV, especially one channel.

Okay, I won't delete my last post, but seriously guys, the OP is clearly a troll, please stop feeding him right now!

I'm not. I just know there is no other way to get traction around here or most any forum when you feel passionately about something. But I am certainly no troll.

DISH IS BETTER THAN DIRECTV!

OK, sorry, you are correct, you said for the averge user.

You have your beliefs that Dish is better for the average HD sub and that's your opinion, others will disagree with you, that's life. That said I think you should scrape up the early termination fee ASAP and cancel DirecTV since you have such bad feelings towards the product, every time you pick up the remote you're going to be bitching about it. Life's too short to get so worked up about TV, especially one channel.

They are not my "beliefs" so much as you guys just cannot come to grips with what I am saying. Besides the lousy DTV marketing claiming themselves as the HD leader (which they are not because they do not even offer a basic HD channel like Travel HD), their hardware stinks. IT STINKS! And don't you think if I could get out of this damn contract I would/ DAMMMIT READ MY POSTS! I said I have NO F'IN choice but to choose DTV in my new building! It was that or TW Cable! Can't I expect DTV to at least be a bit better than TW cable???????????????

Sonny, I see you like CI form your previous posts. I can tell you that CI on Direct is much better than that on Dish. You will get both feeds, more games, and many more games in HD. If you like basketball, the same it true for LP. Of course you can always sign up for Extra Innings to watch baseball, something you cannot do with Dish

Just thought I put in my two cents on the differance between Dtv and D* dvrs. My cousin has Dtv and thier dvr is slower then molasses on a freezing day compared to my VIP622. I was litterally pulling at my hair after the fourth menu lookup and channel change (I was looking for specifics in HD) and while doing that I noticed alot of macroblocking (this was a clear night) that I just do not see from Dish.

It is apples to oranges anyway. The only sports I really like besides the end of season games (leading up to World Series, SuperBowl, Final Four) is the Lakers and I have not missed a game by watching on my computer when not on tv.

If you are a sports nut then Dtv is for you. If you like other dishes (no pun intended) then Dish is for you. As for the equipment -- you get what you get.

Sonny, I see you like CI form your previous posts. I can tell you that CI on Direct is much better than that on Dish. You will get both feeds, more games, and many more games in HD. If you like basketball, the same it true for LP. Of course you can always sign up for Extra Innings to watch baseball, something you cannot do with Dish

I appreciate that you are at least not treating me like a troll Dodger. And, as you know, I am a HUGE sports fan- in particular NHL hockey. I am a season ticket holder to the LA Kings (hey- we are VERY good this year!) and of course attend as many Laker and Dodger games as I am able. I like CI and have subbed before. I just haven't done so this year because, frankly, I am not home enough to justify the purchase. And of course I attend around 35+ games a year for the Kings.


I dunno. The impression I have of DTV in the first two months is not good. I was just expecting to be floored by the service based on the posts I have read. I just don't think there is much of a "war" going on here. There might be a few minor things I can do on the side with DTV. But a real day to day comparison? No way. I really miss Dish. I thought D* would not only be the equal of E*- but maybe even better! At least according to posts I had read here. That was wrong. All wrong.

Darn it dude- you just backed up my previous statement. Saying a channel doesn't matter or "people could care less" is not a freakin good enough reason for the "HD LEADER" to not carry it!!!!

And to comment on the channel- it is top notch in HD. And content is excellent. But as stated earlier why would any HD DTV subs know that or even care about it?

IT'S NOT IN HD ON DIRECTV!
oh by the way...making the font size 7 isnt going to get your thought across any better ;)

But like I say, I dont watch the channel so I could care less if its in HD or not...just like you dont care about the MLB Network. I do care about that channel. Its the reason I got D* in the first place

oh by the way...making the font size 7 isnt going to get your thought across any better ;)

But like I say, I dont watch the channel so I could care less if its in HD or not...just like you dont care about the MLB Network. I do care about that channel. Its the reason I got D* in the first place

Actually MLB Network is nice. Not saying it isn't. Can you explain/justify to me how DirecTV, who claims to be the HD leader, does not have a basic HD channel like Travel HD available?

Difficulty- reason can't have anything to do with YOU not caring about said channel

Actually MLB Network is nice. Not saying it isn't. Can you explain/justify to me how DirecTV, who claims to be the HD leader, does not have a basic HD channel like Travel HD available?
why do you keep saying "basic channel" when it isn't? As I posted before, my cable company in Minneapolis doesnt carry this so called "basic channel" in HD.

Plus I've had D* for 3 weeks now so asking me how to explain isnt the best option but if they dont reach an agreement its not carried. There...thats a good enough reason for me :)



Difficulty- reason can't have anything to do with YOU not caring about said channel
I bet you a lot of people could care less about that channel. Just like you cared less about YES but I betcha a lot more folks care about YES than Travel Channel. Hell I'm not even in the NY DMA but I care more about alot more channels than Travel Channel. I dont even know where that is in the guide :)

Yeah we know.,..you like the Travel channel and are still wondering why it isnt in HD..WE GET THAT

Of course you can always sign up for Extra Innings to watch baseball, something you cannot do with Dish

and get the MLB Network :)

Yeah we know.,..you like the Travel channel !

FTFY. The explanation is DTV is not the leader in HD programming like they proclaim to be. And yes, Travel channel is a basic sub channel and has been offered in HD for YEARS! Not just recently- FREAKING YEARS! Not hollering at you per say. Just wanting to make sure people know that Dish is a better service if basic programming matters to you.

If you're going to quote me don't add anything to the quote (edited the quote)....I don't play that game here

years huh? According to wiki its been 2 years since the station started in HD.

As for basic programming.....I have different tastes in channels so my needs are different than yours. I want sports and network programming in HD :)

If you're going to quote me don't add anything to the quote (edited the quote)....I don't play that game here

years huh? According to wiki its been 2 years since the station started in HD.

As for basic programming.....I have different tastes in channels so my needs are different than yours. I want sports and network programming in HD :)


Let's do this frame by frame.

If you're going to quote me don't add anything to the quote (edited the quote)....I don't play that game here

Fine. I won't add to your quotes.

years huh? According to wiki its been 2 years since the station started in HD.

2 years = yearS ( as in more than one year)

As for basic programming.....I have different tastes in channels so my needs are different than yours. I want sports and network programming in HD :)

That's fine. Different strokes for differnent folks. It still does not explain how DirecTV, who is supposedly the LEADER in HD tv content, does not carry a basic channel like Travel HD.

The explanation I have provided stands. DirecTV is not the leader in HD TV programming- it's Dish. Dish also has superior hardware.

Hopefully my approach here did not offend anyone personally. That is not what I am trying to do.

One channel does or does not make one the HD leader. I can use the same logic with Dish when it comes to MLBNet or Smithsonian.

To answer why they do not carry that one channel, especially when they actual have more full time HD channels being sent out over conus (many are PPV), it is probably because it is not that popular of a channel; or because they do not have an agree with them yet. They can easily replace one of their PPV channels with Travel.

Top 30+ cable/satellite channels at the end of 2009. Notice, Travel is not even on the list?

USA 3.278 million average viewers +15%
DISNEY 2.534 +6%
ESPN 2.253 +9%
TNT 2.254 +2%
FOX NEWS 2.210 +7%
TBS 1.838 -7%
NICK AT NIGHT 1.734 +2%
A&E 1.467 +8%
ABC FAMILY 1.353 +4%
FX 1.369 +10%
CARTOON 1.302 -3%
SYFY 1.276 -0%
DISCOVERY 1.253 +4%
HISTORY 1.212 +3%
HGTV 1.202 +9%
LIFETIME 1.185 -20%
FOOD 1.119 +26%
HALLMARK 1.104 -18%
AMC 1.041 -6%
TLC 1.070 +18%
TRUTV 1.090 +0%
SPIKE 1.063 -17%
COMEDY CENTRAL 992 -10%
CNN 908 -30%
MSNBC 817 -12%
MTV 807 -10%
BRAVO 796 +6%
BET 777 +23%
VH1 744 +0%
TVLAND 720 -8%
ESPN2 694 +8%
HBO 693 +41%
E! 592 +7%

I bet you a lot of people could care less about that channel.Um , just incase you didn't see on the other site, Travel Channel was the most demanded channel to have in HD, Next was AMC HD.

One channel does or does not make one the HD leader. I can use the same logic with Dish when it comes to MLBNet or Smithsonian.

To answer why they do not carry that one channel, especially when they actual have more full time HD channels being sent out over conus (many are PPV), it is probably because it is not that popular of a channel; or because they do not have an agree with them yet. They can easily replace one of their PPV channels with Travel.

Top 30+ cable/satellite channels at the end of 2009. Notice, Travel is not even on the list?

USA 3.278 million average viewers +15%
DISNEY 2.534 +6%
ESPN 2.253 +9%
TNT 2.254 +2%
FOX NEWS 2.210 +7%
TBS 1.838 -7%
NICK AT NIGHT 1.734 +2%
A&E 1.467 +8%
ABC FAMILY 1.353 +4%
FX 1.369 +10%
CARTOON 1.302 -3%
SYFY 1.276 -0%
DISCOVERY 1.253 +4%
HISTORY 1.212 +3%
HGTV 1.202 +9%
LIFETIME 1.185 -20%
FOOD 1.119 +26%
HALLMARK 1.104 -18%
AMC 1.041 -6%
TLC 1.070 +18%
TRUTV 1.090 +0%
SPIKE 1.063 -17%
COMEDY CENTRAL 992 -10%
CNN 908 -30%
MSNBC 817 -12%
MTV 807 -10%
BRAVO 796 +6%
BET 777 +23%
VH1 744 +0%
TVLAND 720 -8%
ESPN2 694 +8%
HBO 693 +41%
E! 592 +7% Wheres MLB? How about YES? How about Animal Planet?
How About NHL,NBA,NFL Speed,Tennis.
NOPE. Wow looks like HBO is more important to a customer then Sports.
ESPN, Well E* carrys all of these.
WOW HBO up 41% and even at $15 to view it. Must be the Free promos that E* is giving.
I don't see Starz or Showtime on that list. D* ???

Wheres MLB? How about YES? How about Animal Planet?
The first two are seasonal. I would be willing to bet that during the baseball season they are more popular than Travel, and that YES is more popular in NY than Travel any time of the year.

And the last one is part of the discovery suit, which as a whole is the most popular suit outside of ESPN.

Wheres MLB? How about YES? How about Animal Planet?
How About NHL,NBA,NFL Speed,Tennis.
NOPE. Wow looks like HBO is more important to a customer then Sports.
ESPN, Well E* carrys all of these.
WOW HBO up 41% and even at $15 to view it. Must be the Free promos that E* is giving.
I don't see Starz or Showtime on that list. D* ???
Remember, sports are seasonal. During those few months of the year when the season is occuring, I would be willing to bet that those channels are more popular than HBO. Keep in mind that some of the most popular broadcast are the Thursday Night football games on the NFL channel

Also sports as a whole gets more viewers than premiums as a whole; ESPN alone beats them. I would not make a broad statement that HBO is more popular than sports.

Don't forget, those channels are shown on all providers, where as some of those sports channels are not, so that will also effect popularity.

Finally, given the niche status of some, this helps the few providers attract niche subs that would normally go elsewhere to get the same exact programming outside of sports.

Um , just incase you didn't see on the other site, Travel Channel was the most demanded channel to have in HD, Next was AMC HD.
the travel channel hd and my vip 622 are the only things i miss when i left E* almost 2 years ago. the rest they can shove it up their a** :eek: :D

the travel channel hd and my vip 622 are the only things i miss when i left E* almost 2 years ago. the rest they can shove it up their a** :eek: :D


Tell us how you really feel rey!.:eek:;):D

I just know when Dish completes the Western Arc I shall miss my 625.Imagine 2-120 minute live buffers,when I turn it on they are on,when I turn it off they are off.Et Tu DoublePlay?.;)

So now with The Hallmark Movie channel and more Premium Movie Channels in standard definition,think I found a home.:D

I'm not. I just know there is no other way to get traction around here or most any forum when you feel passionately about something. But I am certainly no troll.

DISH IS BETTER THAN DIRECTV!

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

Clearly your posts fit the definition of inflammatory. That makes you a troll. If you want to have an adult conversation, stop speaking in absolutes, and stop using ridiculously large type.

Let's do this frame by frame.

If you're going to quote me don't add anything to the quote (edited the quote)....I don't play that game here

Fine. I won't add to your quotes.

years huh? According to wiki its been 2 years since the station started in HD.

2 years = yearS ( as in more than one year)

As for basic programming.....I have different tastes in channels so my needs are different than yours. I want sports and network programming in HD :)

That's fine. Different strokes for differnent folks. It still does not explain how DirecTV, who is supposedly the LEADER in HD tv content, does not carry a basic channel like Travel HD.

The explanation I have provided stands. DirecTV is not the leader in HD TV programming- it's Dish. Dish also has superior hardware.

Hopefully my approach here did not offend anyone personally. That is not what I am trying to do.

Basic Programming? I consider locals, basic programming. I get 9 locals in HD with Directv, DISH doesn't offer anything near that in my market.

Based on your definition, DIRECTV is the HD basic programming leader.

Wow, you guys are really patient, answering this person's screaming, gigantic-font posts about the 'backwater satellite company' with reasonable, thought out responses.

This person would get torn to shreds in the sports forum...;)


Sandra

I know you cannot be telling me I should get excited about watching Yankees and Nets games. Whoop tee doO!

There are an awful lot of people who watch Yankee games...including me. For this reason, and so many others, I would never subscribe to Dish. Dish has Travel Channel HD right now? Whoop tee doO!

See how that works? ;)


Sandra

Sandra in the WZ. Is this a first?

Sandra in the WZ. Is this a first?

You know how much I like to argue!

My poor fiance'...:D


Sandra

PLEASE don't tell me this backwater satellite company doesn't have the Travel Channel in HD!! Really? I mean REALLY??

Oh man. I hated giving up E*. Good service. Good hardware. I had heard bad things about DTV's HD box but I thought I could get around that (side note- HR23 is awful. sure hope none of you DTV subs are under the impression it's anywhere near as good as the VIP722. it's not even close).

I could have lived with that but for CRAPS sake, you really do not have Travel Channel HD??? Oh man, so much. Can even ONE of you tell me why I should keep this turd around and not figure out a way to get a Dish 500 mounted inside my new condo?

Go ahead mods. Go ahead and move this to the Warzone. I know no one goes there. Just wanted you DTV subs to know you are full of crap. Dish has a better service. And NO, the freaking HD picture does NOT look better on D*. grumble..
FYI..

D* subs think they have great DVR's LMAO