Right, Directv charges more for less.;)
For comparable packages, yes they do. Dish's packages are cheaper, there is no debating that fact. Dish's equipment fees are more expensive, there is not debating that fact as well.

Frankly, I think the way Dish does it is better for most as most subs do not have multiple TVs, and it gives them an advantage at advertising package pricing.

The above is wrong, because these are all written options available to the consumer.
Go to Dodge.com or Jeep.com, and everything you claim they don't tell you or offer, Is offered by they way.
Caliber also has an optional 2.0L engine as well, and the Jeep has a 3.7 Standard, with an optional 4.7,5.7,and 6.1.
Last I heard the 3.0L diesel has been dropped .

But anyway all this Info can be accessed on their websites.


Now Where can I find on D* website, the under $59 per month packs?
How about the Channel list for the Select pack that cost $39.99 that no one but retension customers know about.


A. 3.0L Diesel is not gone it no longer shown as an option but I just order a WK for with it for my mother as I dont like her driving gas engines

B. 4.7L/4.7L HO were not options on the WK they were on the WJ 99-01 WJ had 4.7 option ( standard on a limited ) 02-04 WJ had the HO verison

C. 3.7 powertech v6 based on the 4.7L are seldom found in the WK often. Most often found in the KJ and KK models

D. 5.7L Hemi is consider standard on Limited and Overland WKs

E. 6.1L Hemi only found on SRT8 WK but while the paperwork wont show it you can order a regular WK with a 6.1L

But going back to my point if I call Chrysler and ask get a WK with Ladero base package with the option they will say no but you go to a dealer you can order that way. Ladero base has 3.7 as defualt.

P.S. your right the Caliber platform went 1.8 /2.0 / 2.4

But back on point .

We dont have to have a package under say 49.99 or 59.99 or any random price point you pick now we do . We dont have to advertise them . Unlike dish who does advertise smaller package like the welcome pack we dont. Does that makes you so annoyed that you have to blindly bash the company.

Hemi, when you run the company you can what ever you want but companies all the time have hidden items even dish network did. I have a special hidden package they offered me over 18 months ago that i had until the reciver price change. So we yell at dish over it no. It was hidden it was given as a option to retain me as a customer.


Bottom line : No one held a gun to your head and say get this package. No one said pay more. It still boils down to your choice.

The cable guy in this commercial looks and sounds like Family Guy's Seth MacFarland.

It just seems hilarious to me how Comcrap can advertise these "HD channels" when in actuality they mean choices. Do the math. IF DTV has 130 "full time" HD channels, averaging 1 show per hour x 24 hrs, then that would equal 3120 HD choices per day. Same goes with E. IF they have 150, or 160, or whatever the latest claim is then they would have 3600 to 3840 choices per day. Last time I checked, both of these figures are WAY ABOVE what Comcrap says they have. So in the end. if you wnat the most HD, dump the cable and go with Satellite!!:D

It just seems hilarious to me how Comcrap can advertise these "HD channels" when in actuality they mean choices. Do the math. IF DTV has 130 "full time" HD channels, averaging 1 show per hour x 24 hrs, then that would equal 3120 HD choices per day. Same goes with E. IF they have 150, or 160, or whatever the latest claim is then they would have 3600 to 3840 choices per day. Last time I checked, both of these figures are WAY ABOVE what Comcrap says they have. So in the end. if you wnat the most HD, dump the cable and go with Satellite!!:D

Yes, if thats one thing Dish and Direct subs agree on its that Comcast sucks...:D

D* doesn't charge customers $200 for HD DVRs, What ever do you mean?:deal:
They are all free.
Well atleast your first 4 are anyway.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


Are you saying the first 4 HD DVRs are free? Maybe for NEW subscribers but not for old subscribers. I seriously doubt DTV is giving away 4 HD DVRs for free/household. My 1st HD DVR was free when they upgraded my dish. The standard definition boxes were free too but I'm not talking about those boxes.

In my situation I have to replace the R-15 DVR, 2 std def boxes and the old directv tivo. DTV asked $200/HD DVR and $100/HD receiver. Total bill for 3 HD receivers & 1 HD DVR was a cool $500 + 2yr commitment. When I told them I wished to cancel, I was transfer to retention and they offered to reduce the bill by$200 for being a long time customer in good standing.

Are you saying the first 4 HD DVRs are free? Maybe for NEW subscribers but not for old subscribers. I seriously doubt DTV is giving away 4 HD DVRs for free/household. My 1st HD DVR was free when they upgraded my dish. The standard definition boxes were free too but I'm not talking about those boxes.

In my situation I have to replace the R-15 DVR, 2 std def boxes and the old directv tivo. DTV asked $200/HD DVR and $100/HD receiver. Total bill for 3 HD receivers & 1 HD DVR was a cool $500 + 2yr commitment. When I told them I wished to cancel, I was transfer to retention and they offered to reduce the bill by$200 for being a long time customer in good standing.I was being sarcastic. Thats the reason for the use of these :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
I know they don't give out Free HD DVRS like they are claimed to be giving away here.;)

Hemi,

They criticize you for not using smileys, and when you do, they still don't realize you were joking. :p

Hemi,

They criticize you for not using smileys, and when you do, they still don't realize you were joking. :p
I know .
Its so funny.:D

Then I have to re-explain and then it looks like I'm bashing a company twice as hard I as really am.
Mainly because I get mad when they don't read the entire post the first time.

If they would give out 3 HR-24. I might consider the upgrade to HD, Once I see the new Channels launch.

A. 3.0L Diesel is not gone it no longer shown as an option but I just order a WK for with it for my mother as I dont like her driving gas engines

B. 4.7L/4.7L HO were not options on the WK they were on the WJ 99-01 WJ had 4.7 option ( standard on a limited ) 02-04 WJ had the HO verison

C. 3.7 powertech v6 based on the 4.7L are seldom found in the WK often. Most often found in the KJ and KK models

D. 5.7L Hemi is consider standard on Limited and Overland WKs

E. 6.1L Hemi only found on SRT8 WK but while the paperwork wont show it you can order a regular WK with a 6.1L

But going back to my point if I call Chrysler and ask get a WK with Ladero base package with the option they will say no but you go to a dealer you can order that way. Ladero base has 3.7 as defualt.

P.S. your right the Caliber platform went 1.8 /2.0 / 2.4

But back on point .

We dont have to have a package under say 49.99 or 59.99 or any random price point you pick now we do . We dont have to advertise them . Unlike dish who does advertise smaller package like the welcome pack we dont. Does that makes you so annoyed that you have to blindly bash the company.

Hemi, when you run the company you can what ever you want but companies all the time have hidden items even dish network did. I have a special hidden package they offered me over 18 months ago that i had until the reciver price change. So we yell at dish over it no. It was hidden it was given as a option to retain me as a customer.


Bottom line : No one held a gun to your head and say get this package. No one said pay more. It still boils down to your choice. Buttom line of my post is, If Customers don't know about something they can't ask for it.
End Of Story.

I log into my D* account, and there is no mention of any base pack thats less then $58.99.

I log into my E* account and I can access the Family pack all the way up to AEP.

These are my Base pack options with Dish Nework right from my account. English only.

American (learn more) (http://www.dishnetwork.com/packages/)


America's Top 120 $34.99
America's Top 120 Plus $39.99 Local programming is required to add America's Top 120 Plus
America's Top 200 $47.99
America's Top 250 $57.99
America's Everything Pak with Locals $99.99 Includes locals, America's Top 250, HBO, Showtime, Cinemax and Starz.
DishFAMILY $19.99 Dish
FAMILY w/ America's Top 120 $54.98
DishFAMILY w/ America's Top 120 Plus $59.98
Subscription to adult programming is restricted with the DishFAMILY programming package.

These are also Available in my account as International options.
Select Language
ARABIC
BRAZILIAN
CHINESE
DISH Latino
GREEK
POLISH
RUSSIAN
SOUTH
ASIAN
TAIWANESE URDU

Arabic Elite Super Pack $49.99


Brazil Elite Pack $44.99


Great Wall TV Package $32.99


Greek Elite Pack $34.99


Polish Super Pack with EuroNews $39.99


Russian Mega Pack $32.99


Hindi Super Pack $44.99
Hindi Mega Pack $59.99


Taiwanese Mega Pack $39.99


Pak Mega Pack $44.99



DishMEXICO $19.99
DishLATINO Clásico $29.99
DishLATINO Dos $39.99
DishLATINO Max $52.99
DishMEXICO with Playboy $19.99
DishLATINO Clásico with Playboy $29.99
DishLATINO Dos with Playboy $39.99
DishLATINO Max with Playboy $52.99
DishFAMILY w/DishLATINO Clásico $49.98
DishFAMILY w/DishLATINO Dos $59.98
DishFAMILY w/DishLATINO Max $72.98
None of the Above
DishLATINO Bonus Pack $13.99
DishLATINO Bonus Pack w/ Playboy $13.99
'Your local channels are included in all Latino Packages except DishLATINO Bonus Pack'.

Now this is whats listed under my D* account.



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CHOICE
$58.99
This value-rich package offers over 150 top channels featuring movies, sports and family favorites, as well as your local channels.
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CHOICE XTRA
$63.99
Our most popular package, CHOICE XTRA™ features over 200 channels, including locals, for the best in movies, sports, music, specialty and family programming.
https://cdns.directv.com/images/assets/productcatalog/icons/fi-chs200.gif Get over 200 channels, including locals

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PREMIER
$114.99
If you want the works, this is it. This package includes over 265 channels — including locals, over 30 premium movie channels and over 30 sports networks.
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Oh here's my Directv International options.

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Jadeworld
$39.99 Monthly
Jadeworld® showcases popular Chinese television programs including dramatic series, music, variety, movies and entertainment, plus daily news from Hong Kong, China and Taiwan.
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TVB1, Channel 450
Caters to the specific viewing habits of East Coast viewers. Features the most updated Hong Kong daily news, popular TVB dramas, entertainment and variety shows, cartoons and news/travel magazines.

TVB 2, Channel 451
Caters to the specific viewing habits of West Coast viewers. Features the most updated Hong Kong daily news, popular TVB dramas, entertainment and variety shows, cartoons and news/travel magazines.

TVBS, Channel 452
TVBS is broadcast live from Taiwan. In addition to in-depth news coverage throughout the day, TVBS also features popular talk shows such as Speaking Your Mind 2100 and News Night Club, variety shows, dramas and travelogues.

TVB Entertainment, Channel 453
Offers the most popular blockbuster hits featuring your favorite movie stars. From action thrillers, comedies and dramas to kung-fu films, TVB Entertainment has it all.

CCTV-4, Channel 454
The international channel of CCTV features programs that reflect China's history, culture, economics, politics and people. CCTV-4 brings you closer to China.

Tai Seng Entertainment, Channel 455
Tai Seng Entertainment offers the Cantonese-speaking viewers the best and latest movies and TV Series from Hong Kong, China, Korea and Asia.
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WorldDirect customers must first subscribe to the DIRECTV BASIC package ($12.99/mo.) or any DIRECTV base programming package ($29.99/mo. or above). Jadeworld does not require a base programming package. Programming, pricing, terms and conditions are subject to change. Hardware and programming sold separately. DIRECTV services are not provided outside the U.S.

Programming, pricing, terms and conditions subject to change. Hardware and programming available separately. DIRECTV services not provided outside the U.S.
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EN ESPANOL
$14.99 per month
Add over 30 Spanish-language channels to your base package — movies, news, sports, documentaries and much more. Includes channels broadcast in English with alternate Spanish audio.
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Do the math. IF DTV has 130 "full time" HD channels, averaging 1 show per hour x 24 hrs, then that would equal 3120 HD choices per day.The problem with this theory is that it doesn't work out that way. Many of these so-called HD channels offer far less than 1 HD program per hour. In the case of the CINEMAHD channels, DIRECTV uses up to four channels to show a single movie all day long. Today, DIRECTV is playing Michael Jackson's This Is It on four channels and Surrogates on three channels. 201 minutes of HD programming running wild in the space for 10080 minutes worth of programming. It works out to just under 2% distinct HD content even though the channels show 100% HD programming. DISH network participates in the same kind of activity but not on quite as grand a scale.

Some RSNs only show one or two HD programs a day (the full-time RSN argument has always baffled me in these situations) Other channels like Encore, TNT, WGN have a mix of SD and HD programming. Yet other channels (E!, LMN, Tru, NBA) show less than 5% HD per week.

For HD percentages of regular channels, check the website that DIRECTV once featured to demonstrate their HD superiority: Where is HD ? (http://whereismyhd.com/)

Oh here's my Directv International options.Your options extend beyond what you've posted. DIRECTV offers an ever shrinking selection of channels from several regional language groups:

Brazilian, Mandarin, Cantonese, Filipino, Greek, Korean, Russian, South Asian and Vietnamese.

we are currently giving out one free hdvr and one free hd box with every new order

Your options extend beyond what you've posted. DIRECTV offers an ever shrinking selection of channels from several regional language groups:

Brazilian, Mandarin, Cantonese, Filipino, Greek, Korean, Russian, South Asian and Vietnamese. Yep , I know, But this is all thats listed under my account.
No where near the offering as Dish network.

I was being sarcastic. Thats the reason for the use of these :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
I know they don't give out Free HD DVRS like they are claimed to be giving away here.;)

Oh cool! I guess my morning caffein levels were low and the loss of one hr sleep didn't help my brain detect your sarcasm.

Maybe one day I may consider going back. My local cable has made big strides with their picture quality and the software on their 8300 HD DVRs. Besides, if a box fails all I have to do is drive 2 miles to the mall and they will gladly swap it out. Minimal downtime.

Have a good day.

The difference is that DISH can defend what they said in much the same way that I have illustrated. Just as many (or more) heard it for what it was: all the channels you really want for less.

Such is not to say that I agree with what DISH is saying or doing, but I think it is awfully feeble for DIRECTV to mount an attack based on an alternative interpretation.
"Got three different TV's here. All the same picture, same programming". That too me sounds like they are saying the packages are the same? Can you admit that they are at least misleading people in this commercial?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGXPw3WyvXQ

"Got three different TV's here. All the same picture, same programming". That too me sounds like they are saying the packages are the same? Can you admit that they are at least misleading people in this commercial?

YouTube - DISH Network Man on the Street Commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGXPw3WyvXQ)

He cant and and wont because it easier to bash DTV the not.

No one head a gun to any one of our customers say get dtv.

People looked at the packages they thought they were fair and signed up.

Most people leaving cable look at both. So while dish might have alot more advertised packages most people look and them and us and make a choice. Apparently they think were the better value. Either because we have the best sports or once again toped dish in customer statifaction.

Now almost 12 years ago i started with dish. At the time it was a choice between dish and direct/ussb. I made my choice and unlike most of them here I stayed loyal to dish for 12 long years and I got very little out of dish other then a HIDDEN PACKAGE offer that was offered when I waned to drop all the programing


I could toss random channels in a random packages and say there done and Hemi would probably mess him self

If a customer calls in and ask if we have any cheaper packages we offer ffamily and select depending on the customer we offten offer pboth where we talk about channel chocies and which channels are important to them.

Hemi likes doing one thing and that being an ..... well we all already know so I just leave it at that.

"Got three different TV's here. All the same picture, same programming". That too me sounds like they are saying the packages are the same?All three TVs are showing the same programming as they're all tuned to the same network. Programming can mean the sequence of clips or shows on a single channel and that is going to be the same (less commercial inserts) regardless of provider. PQ is not an issue nor is comparable package pricing.
Can you admit that they are at least misleading people in this commercial?Let's just agree that there are multiple ways of interpreting what is said.

Competitive advertising is all about wordsmithing in the extreme to establish equal or greater footing and DISH is doing a much better job than DIRECTV has thus far.

He cant and and wont because it easier to bash DTV the not.A lesser person would ask why that is.

As it is, I'm not bashing DIRECTV. I'm simply noting that if they choose to follow DISH Network down this adversarial spiral, they've chosen to argue the wrong topic. DIRECTV needs to consciously avoid calling attention to programming pricing as it is one of their weak points. It can be mentioned as a component of the overall monthly cost, but it shouldn't be singled out.

DIRECTV needs to make it all about the total cost of service (but they need to do it without harping on "hidden fees" as they've sprouted a few of their own).

2 words: Epic Fail.

A lesser person would ask why that is.

As it is, I'm not bashing DIRECTV. I'm simply noting that if they choose to follow DISH Network down this adversarial spiral, they've chosen to argue the wrong topic. DIRECTV needs to consciously avoid calling attention to programming pricing as it is one of their weak points. It can be mentioned as a component of the overall monthly cost, but it shouldn't be singled out.

DIRECTV needs to make it all about the total cost of service (but they need to do it without harping on "hidden fees" as they've sprouted a few of their own).

I actually been following this thread and that message was actually ment for hemi more so then anyone else.

All three TVs are showing the same programming as they're all tuned to the same network. Programming can mean the sequence of clips or shows on a single channel and that is going to be the same (less commercial inserts) regardless of provider. PQ is not an issue nor is comparable package pricing.Let's just agree that there are multiple ways of interpreting what is said.

Competitive advertising is all about wordsmithing in the extreme to establish equal or greater footing and DISH is doing a much better job than DIRECTV has thus far.

My only problem with the commerical is they care comparing packages.... and in the fine print they are saying they are compareing AT120 to Choice ... Problem in the commerical they are comparing the price of AT120 of 39.99 to the price of Directv of 63.99 and 63.99 is not our price for choice. 63.99 is the price for Choice Extra after the feb 9 price increase.

I would hope that you would agree that a little miss leading if they had shown a price of 58.99 then I would have no qualms about the commerical. Also at the end when they say you can save 285 a year is a little miss leading again the fine print says they based the savings on the firstio year promo prices for at120 vs choice again they dont even have choice pricing down right .


The max value savings with dish comes from having no hd no dvr and 1 sd box

When I compared Dish to Directv AT120 to Choice with 4 room setup 2 hddvrs 1 hd 1sd boxe or 2 dvrs and 2sd boxes the real price difference came out ot 5 dollars a month difference in Dish's favor which would make the real savings 60 dollars a year.

I actually been following this thread and that message was actually ment for hemi more so then anyone else. Yea we know, because your main intent is to personal attack every chance you get.. Thats called desperation.;)

All three TVs are showing the same programming as they're all tuned to the same network. Programming can mean the sequence of clips or shows on a single channel and that is going to be the same (less commercial inserts) regardless of provider. PQ is not an issue nor is comparable package pricing.Let's just agree that there are multiple ways of interpreting what is said.

Competitive advertising is all about wordsmithing in the extreme to establish equal or greater footing and DISH is doing a much better job than DIRECTV has thus far.
You must be getting dizzy from all of that spinning. ;) He said same programming, not same program.

I know, Dish is always right and never lies; Direct is always wrong and always lies. :rolleyes:

Maybe you should consider working for Dish's marketing team? :p

Yea we know, because your main intent is to personal attack every chance you get.. Thats called desperation.;)

Well it the funny thing out of the all the pro dish anti directv comments only yours make no sense. Your bashing directv for not having packages under 49.99 advertised // Yet at the same time we offer 2 different ones Family and Select if anyone calls in and says hey i cant afford choice do you have anything cheaper.

You dont have to right Retentions to get select you dont have to have to anything that you said .

REason why I singleing you out is for one reason no one else is goingin on this tiraid of insanity about Family and select it especially since this thread about the commerical campaigns.

Now on top of all this ever I ever had you on the phone I would still welcome you with open arms and get waht ever issue you needed adressed taken care of why because Directv does not care your blind E* zealot.

No Hemi when you stop harping on non issues like 2 packages we freely give information on if you call and ask , I will leave you alone.

People know about select they even ask for it by name we dont have to put it on a website as it on hundreds of others listing the package.

And even if they dont we offer them if the customer says they are looking for something cheaper. So while you think were trying to keep people for m having it it just the obsolete as if we did not want people to have it we would just no offer it.

Yet at the same time we offer 2 different ones Family and Select if anyone calls in and says hey i cant afford choice do you have anything cheaper.Any idea why DIRECTV chose to stop advertising the Family Pack?

Any idea why DIRECTV chose to stop advertising the Family Pack?
Because they do not make much money off of it??? :confused:

Any idea why DIRECTV chose to stop advertising the Family Pack?

Maybe because DirecTV's said they aren't trying to be the low cost provider, they'll leave that market segment to others?

Maybe because DirecTV's said they aren't trying to be the low cost provider, they'll leave that market segment to others?I might buy this if they weren't loss leadering Choice for half off.

I was wondering if there was an official party line. I know more than a few who will buy into anything that appears to be targeted at families and are terrified of what horrors they might be exposed to on "cable channels".

I might buy this if they weren't loss leadering Choice for half off.

I was wondering if there was an official party line. I know more than a few who will buy into anything that appears to be targeted at families and are terrified of what horrors they might be exposed to on "cable channels".

But at least they require a credit card for a new customers to get that deal, where as Dish doesn't, which helps weed out the folks that might not be able to even pay that. Since they have a 2 year commitment, and the price doubles after the 1st year the hit in income might not be that bad.

The problem with this theory is that it doesn't work out that way. Many of these so-called HD channels offer far less than 1 HD program per hour. In the case of the CINEMAHD channels, DIRECTV uses up to four channels to show a single movie all day long. Today, DIRECTV is playing Michael Jackson's This Is It on four channels and Surrogates on three channels. 201 minutes of HD programming running wild in the space for 10080 minutes worth of programming. It works out to just under 2% distinct HD content even though the channels show 100% HD programming. DISH network participates in the same kind of activity but not on quite as grand a scale.

Some RSNs only show one or two HD programs a day (the full-time RSN argument has always baffled me in these situations) Other channels like Encore, TNT, WGN have a mix of SD and HD programming. Yet other channels (E!, LMN, Tru, NBA) show less than 5% HD per week.

For HD percentages of regular channels, check the website that DIRECTV once featured to demonstrate their HD superiority: Where is HD ? (http://whereismyhd.com/)

Same fuzzy math that Comcrap uses:D

Any idea why DIRECTV chose to stop advertising the Family Pack?

If you want my honest opinion which some dont want to hear... Family pack was created to go up with dish family Now that dish is not pushing Dish family as look how cheap tv is ads from what year or two ago we dont feel like promoting it.

Now the somewhat offical stance is the extra package did not fit in the frame properly on the website since adding Choice ultimate , though I fine that to be wierd as at one point plus dvr package up there .

Again in my opinon because we get so few people that keep family longer then say 2 weeks alot of people say its ok and then go back to select or choice that for a package that not real popular too many kids channels so why advertise somethign that going to cause issues when they change back in 2 weeks as they cant stand the channels

No Hemi when you stop harping on non issues like 2 packages we freely give information on if you call and ask , I will leave you alone.

. I'll leave you alone when you actually answer a question.
How can a customer ask for something they don't know about?

What you claim is a non issue , many might not think so.
You also don't have a clue that customers with subpar credit get charged $200-$300 deposit,. And you claim you work for D*.

You must be getting dizzy from all of that spinning. ;) He said same programming, not same program.

I know, Dish is always right and never lies; Direct is always wrong and always lies. :rolleyes:

Maybe you should consider working for Dish's marketing team? :p
They are both Misleading, No one denies that. But when you start a "To Tell The Truth" And Still mislead in the process, That just makes you sound dumb.
Really Simple.
Stonecold thinks that everyone should automaticly know the price and every package option D* has even with no information in writing available.

I give you credit Dodger, and I can debate with you every day ,and not get mad at you or hold a Grudge.
You are a real man. You NEVER turn it personal! :up

Stone you need to grow up and stop turning everything personal.
You can't handle a debate. With threads started personal attacking members, calling them out in threads, while calling them names.
Be a man already. Your best defence, Name Calling.:(

Thanks Hemi...

Same with you as well. You are too a good sport.


I never take anything said on the internet personal.

I'll leave you alone when you actually answer a question.
How can a customer ask for something they don't know about?

What you claim is a non issue , many might not think so.
You also don't have a clue that customers with subpar credit get charged $200-$300 deposit,. And you claim you work for D*.

No I said I never seen a deposit over 200 dollars go back and check.

And if you read the terms and agreement Its not a deposit it a fee that way we dont have to give it back if you dont keep the service ( we currently give 5 dollar credit each month to pay back the "deposit" )

Now to answer you question

the simple answer is all they haveto do is ask is ther a cheaper plan and after confirming what channels are important to them ( what we call rightsizing ) we then offer family or select packages

Now if you not happy with that go ahead and email ceo@directv.com

They are both Misleading, No one denies that. But when you start a "To Tell The Truth" And Still mislead in the process, That just makes you sound dumb.
Really Simple.
Stonecold thinks that everyone should automaticly know the price and every package option D* has even with no information in writing available.

I give you credit Dodger, and I can debate with you every day ,and not get mad at you or hold a Grudge.
You are a real man. You NEVER turn it personal! :up

Stone you need to grow up and stop turning everything personal.
You can't handle a debate. With threads started personal attacking members, calling them out in threads, while calling them names.
Be a man already. Your best defence, Name Calling.:(

See here is my problem with you , you think we owe you something. That we have to carbon copy dish some how .


If there was no family package and no Select package directv would no stop exisiting. They are packages there for are our customers who ask for a cheaper package. Unlike you assert hemi you dont have to scream for retentions or threaten to cancel to get it. We find out what channels are important to you and if at least some are available in say select we will offer. The reaosn why it no on the website is simple managment doesnt want it there


I sorry Hemi but you go off on a rant about select which has nothing to do with the ad campaign for either company . So you way out in left field there bud.

I did not name call you so dont even go there. I think I used you in an example on how we offer select package. Which the worst thing was said was that you like the oxygen channel.


Here what it all boils down too if I ran a liquor store and you came in looked at the while rack and picked omsthing out while nice wishing you could spend a little less but I have some decent stock in the back that I have on sale but dont have it out yet and you dont ask me if I have anything else who fault is that. Me am I suppose to know you ant a cheaper bottle of wine that does not rot gut last time I checked the answer is no. Now who fault is it well your own for not asking.... Now if you asked me and I still said no you would have a point but we have never denied someone select or fmaily packages even when cuseorms donw know them by names and just looking for something cheaper.

If you want my honest opinion which some dont want to hear...Thanks! That was the kind of answer I was seeking.

Thanks! That was the kind of answer I was seeking.

I dont know if my answer was satifactory to you or if you just being smart it hard to tell considering the round abouts that I have with hemi.

Personally if Dish started promoting the heck out of Family again I think Family would pop back up on the website.

It purely reactional to on DTV part.

I dont know if my answer was satifactory to you or if you just being smart it hard to tell considering the round abouts that I have with hemi.It is precisely what I asked for. I also got a bonus of your personal angle which is also appreciated.

The latest one has Direct comparing the actual number of full time HD channels. I don't think Direct wants to go there. Regardless if one counts RSNs or not and Direct does have more full time HD counting PPV and RSNs, Dish just simply has to show all of the other national HD they have that Direct does not. This will be much more effective as more people care about non PPV/RSN HD than care about PPV/RSN Hd.

The latest one has Direct comparing the actual number of full time HD channels. I don't think Direct wants to go there. Regardless if one counts RSNs or not and Direct does have more full time HD counting PPV and RSNs, Dish just simply has to show all of the other national HD they have that Direct does not. This will be much more effective as more people care about non PPV/RSN HD than care about PPV/RSN Hd.

Probably true, unless like in my case, one of them doesn't have the rsn (YES) that I want. That's the biggest factor that keeps me with Directv.