DIRECTV will be rolling out a new ad campaign called To Tell The Truth.

The ads arer based on the popular game show of the same name and will be hosted by game show host Alex Trebek.

http://www.satelliteguys.us/images/tttt.jpg

Below is a copy of one of the TV ads and also one of the print ads.

This is going to get interesting. :)

Check them out and let us know what you think!

thats pretty good :)

Thats funny :D

I got to admit, I like it and now both companies have so much on each other that they can run their campaigns for a long time.

Directv needs to pounce on the $17 versus $5 extra receiver fee.

I think they may get their teat in a wringer over comparing promotional (50% off) pricing.

At least this TV ad doesn't imply that the "$29.99" package includes HD content as many of their previous ads have.

I think they may get their teat in a wringer over comparing promotional (50% off) pricing. Yeah DISH just needs to show the DIRECTV add and point out that your DIRECTV bill goes up 100% after one year.

As I said before these guys could keep zinging each other like this for a long time.

As I said before these guys could keep zinging each other like this for a long time.If you're trying to set the record straight, why set yourself up for a stinging return volley? The potential for this to backfire far outweighs the benefits.

DIRECTV needs to pitch themselves on what they're truly better at. If they can't figure out where they are undisputed winners, they need to avoid comparisons altogether.

If you're trying to set the record straight, why set yourself up for a stinging return volley? The potential for this to backfire far outweighs the benefits.

DIRECTV needs to pitch themselves on what they're truly better at. If they can't figure out where they are undisputed winners, they need to avoid comparisons altogether.


Exactly my thoughts.

I now wait to see Dish network explain how they have multiple packages that are less than the Direct "base package" they are comparing. Dish could even go so far as to insinuate that Direct is forcing customers to pay more for programming they might not want.

Saw the ad on MLB.TV today. The setup, and responses looked extremely awkward and poorly performed. 2 thumbs down.

Looking at the ad, it would appear that they ae focusing on the RSN "Part-time" HD. Though if they are, an intresting statement follows, one HD show per day?

Hopefully this will keep it going on both sides, for the past couple years all was quiet, now it may look like a little "war" is brewing

Are we going to start threads about all the new DIRECTV commercials from now on ?

Yes if there is a interesting campaign like this one. :)

OK :)

Well D* better learn to tell the truth if they want this to work.

LOL... and like DirecTV isn't using fuzzy math ;)

I like this, maybe this means dish will finally get off there arces and start adding some full time HD rsn's. I'm wondering how quickly dish will fire back.

LOL... and like DirecTV isn't using fuzzy math ;)I give them credit in the ad they say a more reasonable 130 channels. :)

Obviously DISH advertisements are working , if DIRECTV had to come out with this commercial to try to fool the public about their programming price. I love that they say at the end $29.99 a month, when that isn't what you will be paying in a year. DISH is cheaper on all their basic packs than Directv's basic programming packs.

DISH Family pack 24.99 / DIRECTV family pack 29.99
DISH top 120 pack 39.99/ DIRECTV choice pack 58.99
DISH top 200 pack 52.99/ DIRECTV choice xtra pack 63.99
DISH top 250 pack 62.99/ DIRECTV choice ultimate pack 68.99

Then DISH really blows DIRECTV out of the water when you compare the top programming packs to each other.

DISH AEP pack $99.99/ DIRECTV Premier pack $114.99

I got to admit, I like it and now both companies have so much on each other that they can run their campaigns for a long time.
That is the way it is supposed to be done. Leave it out of the courts.

Obviously DISH advertisements are working , if DIRECTV had to come out with this commercial to try to fool the public about their programming price. I love that they say at the end $29.99 a month, when that isn't what you will be paying in a year. DISH is cheaper on all their basic packs than Directv's basic programming packs.

DISH Family pack 24.99 / DIRECTV family pack 29.99
DISH top 120 pack 39.99/ DIRECTV choice pack 58.99
DISH top 200 pack 52.99/ DIRECTV choice xtra pack 63.99
DISH top 250 pack 62.99/ DIRECTV choice ultimate pack 68.99

Then DISH really blows DIRECTV out of the water when you compare the top programming packs to each other.

DISH AEP pack $99.99/ DIRECTV Premier pack $114.99
the problem is, the middle packages are not comparable as each on has channels that the other does not. IOW, in order to get the same channels you get in Choice Extra, you have to go to the Top 250 as the Top 200 does not have all of the channels in Choice Extra. Then when you do that, the Top 250 ends up having more than Choice Extra.

Then when you start adding additional equipment, then the differences are not so great. Similar to cable offering free HD, but they don't tell you that they make up the fees by charging more for an HD receiver.

Here is the video on YouTube

YouTube - DirecTv - To Tell The Truth

Yes, Still misleading.
Directv Claims, Animal Planet, FX and AMC are not in Dish Networks Base pack.
Your Right, But they aren't in Directvs Either.
But they Are in Directv $58.99 Choice pack, And in Dish Networks $52.99 Top 200 pack.

Yes, Still misleading.
Directv Claims, Animal Planet, FX and AMC are not in Dish Networks Base pack.
Your Right, But they aren't in Directvs Either.
But they Are in Directv $58.99 Choice pack, And in Dish Networks $52.99 Top 200 pack.
Direct is claiming that these channels are not in the basic packages that Dish is comparing in their commercials. IOW, Dish is the one that claimed the same TV for less while comparing Dish's Family package to Direct's Choice package. Direct is just setting the record straight that these two packages do not offer the same channels.

ETA: To avoid confusion, lets just post about this issue on this thread only an ignore the thread in the Dish forum.

Direct is claiming that these channels are not in the basic packages that Dish is comparing in their commercials. IOW, Dish is the one that claimed the same TV for less while comparing Dish's Family package to Direct's Choice package. Direct is just setting the record straight that these two packages do not offer the same channels.
No they Compaired Top 120 to Choice pack.

Obviously DISH advertisements are working , if DIRECTV had to come out with this commercial to try to fool the public about their programming price. I love that they say at the end $29.99 a month, when that isn't what you will be paying in a year. DISH is cheaper on all their basic packs than Directv's basic programming packs.

DISH Family pack 24.99 / DIRECTV family pack 29.99
DISH top 120 pack 39.99/ DIRECTV choice pack 58.99
DISH top 200 pack 52.99/ DIRECTV choice xtra pack 63.99
DISH top 250 pack 62.99/ DIRECTV choice ultimate pack 68.99

Then DISH really blows DIRECTV out of the water when you compare the top programming packs to each other.

DISH AEP pack $99.99/ DIRECTV Premier pack $114.99

While true, the horrid new receiver/dvr fees that Dish has eats up the difference quickly if I understand them correctly. The dual output DVRs are becoming more obsolete everyday with everyone replacing standard def TVs with brand spanking new HD tvs.

No they Compaired Top 120 to Choice pack.
Whatever one they were comparing, did not have these particular channels in it.

Dish has more HD than Directv, but I find Comcasts ads to be the most outlandish. 500 Hd channels, I count about 50 hd channels on Comcast where I live.

Dodger Here is the Top 120 Channel Line up.

Top 120

A&E HD
ABC FAMILY HD
ALIVE
ANGEL ONE
ANGEL TWO
BYU TV
CARTOON HD
CARTOON WEST
CCTV-9
CCTV-E
CHRISTIAN TV
CLASSIC ARTS TV
CMT HD
CNBC HD
CNN HD
COLLECTABLES$ TREASURES
COMEDY CENTRAL HD
C-SPAN
CSPAN 2
DAYSTAR
DISCOVERY HD
DISNEY HD
DISNEY WEST
DOCUMENTARY CHANNEL
E! HD
ESPN HD
ESPN2 HD
ESPNews HD
ESPNU
EWTN
FLORIDA ED TV
FREE SPEECH TV
FOOD HD
FOX NEWS HD
GEMS& JEWELRY TV
GEMS TV
HD THEATER
HD NET
HEADLINE NEWS
HEATH&HUMAN SERVICES
HGTV HD
HISTORY HD
HITN
HORSE RACING TV
HSN
IN COUNTRY TV
INSPIRATION TV
ION
ION WEST
JEWELRY TV
KBS WORLD
KIDS&TEENS TV
LIFETIME HD
LINK TV
LIVE SHOPPING
MERCURY
MTV HD
MTV2
NASA
NICK HD
NICK WEST
PALLADIA HD
PENTAGON TV
QVC
REELZ
RESEARCH CHANNEL
SHOP
SHOP NBC
SPIKE HD
SYFY HD
TBN
TBS HD
TLC HD
TNT HD
TRAVEL HD
TV GAMES NETWORK
TV GUIDE NETWORK
TV LAND
UNIVERSITY HOUSE
UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA
USA HD
VH1 HD
V-ME
TWC HD

Plus 19 Dish CD Audio channels

And HD customers also get these

Centric HD
CI TV HD
Fashion TV HD
HD Net Movies HD
LOGO HD
Mav TV HD
MGM HD
Universal HD
WFN HD
Indiplex HD
Retroplex HD

SD Customers Pay $39.99

HD Customers Pay $49.99
Top 120 + is $44.99 Includes Local RSN's for SD
HD is $54.99And there is no Animal Planet, FX, AMC, ex, like the commercial stated. These channels do exist in Choice. How is the commercial wrong?

Whatever one they were comparing, did not have these particular channels in it. That I understand, But using the word base pack , Doesn't make thier own add anymore legit, Since there are 5 Base packs for Each company. AMC, Animal Plant, and FX are in every Directv base Pack.?
Exact Quote.

"Well Not in our base pack like you guys"
Truth?? I think not.

And there is no Animal Planet, FX, AMC, ex, like the commercial stated. These channels do exist in Choice. How is the commercial wrong? Because Choice is not Directvs Base Pack. Family Pack is.,
What about the Select Pack that D* has For $39.99 are they in there? Nope!

That I understand, But using the word base pack , Doesn't make thier own add anymore legit, Since there are 5 Base packs for Each company.

Exact Quote.

"Well Not in our base pack like you guys"
Truth?? I think not.
Again, it was Dish that first used these packages as their base package in their original ads. Direct is just using Dish's claim against them.

In actuality Choice is the basic pack for Direct. Family is no longer offered. The only way to get is it to call them and request it. It is not even listed on their website.

https://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/new_customer/base_packages.jsp?footernavtype=-1

http://www.satelliteguys.us/attachment.php?attachmentid=48501&stc=1&d=1268444849

Notice, no Family pack listed?

And its real sad that the only way a customer can get a remotely decent pack for Under $59 per month with D* is if he threatens to cancel his service and them retention offeres a $40 per month crappy Choice Select pack.
Lets Face it E* has a good Bardon base pack. Directv doesn't.

Because Choice is not Directvs Base Pack. Family Pack is.,
What about the Select Pack that D* has For $39.99 are they in there? Nope!
I cannot find the Family pack anywhere. I even did a search on their website and it is not listed anywhere.

And its real sad that the only way a customer can get a remotely decent pack for Under $59 per month with D* is if he threatens to cancel his service and them retention offeres a $40 per month crappy Choice Select pack.
Lets Face it E* has a good Bardon base pack. Directv doesn't.
Fine, but the truth is, Directs basic package is now Choice. Which means Directs basic pack has FX, Animal Planet, and AMC, while Dish's basic package (the one they used in their own commercial) does not. So in reality it is Not the Same TV for less

Again, it was Dish that first used these packages as their base package in their original ads. Direct is just using Dish's claim against them.

In actuality Choice is the basic pack for Direct. Family is no longer offered. The only way to get is it to call them and request it. It is not even listed on their website.

https://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/new_customer/base_packages.jsp?footernavtype=-1

http://www.satelliteguys.us/attachment.php?attachmentid=48501&stc=1&d=1268444849

Notice, no Family pack listed? And thats something to be proud of?
That Direct lowest Base Pack cost $59 per month. And you wonder why they sued E*? Because they are shaking in their boots.

And thats something to be proud of?
That Direct lowest Base Pack cost $59 per month. And you wonder why they sued E*? Because they are shaking in their boots.
We are moving the goal post here, Hemi. I never stated I was proud of anything. I am simply making the point that the commercial was accurate when they listed Choice as their basic package and that the two packages Dish claimed to be the same, are not the same.

accurate when they listed Choice as their basic package and that the two packages Dish claimed to be the same, are not the same. Accurate would be D* saying our Base packs now start at $59 per month. So if you can't afford it , OH well.:rant:
Sorry D* adds are more misleading lately then anyones.

Accurate would be D* saying our Base packs now start at $59 per month. So if you can't afford it , OH well.:rant:
Sorry D* adds are more misleading lately then anyones.
I agree they are misleading, just as Dish's are. I do however think this one is less misleading, and like the Dish ads of late, very creative.

They both are misleading agree 100 %.
But Dish Network isn't running around with adds saying "To Tell The Truth"
:rolleyes:

Ask some of them 35,000 directv customers with complaints to the BBB how Much D* tells the truth.

They both are misleading agree 100 %.
But Dish Network isn't running around with adds saying "To Tell The Truth"
:rolleyes:
But they are running commercials claiming that the packages are the same, when they are not. That is the truth Direct is challenging Dish about.

And its real sad that the only way a customer can get a remotely decent pack for Under $59 per month with D* is if he threatens to cancel his service and them retention offeres a $40 per month crappy Choice Select pack.
Lets Face it E* has a good Bardon base pack. Directv doesn't.

It's real sad when you get your facts wrong

Not everything that says, it is a rentention offer but any department in dtv can offer it and if you call in and ask for it they will give it to you.

It's real sad when you get your facts wrong

Not everything that says, it is a rentention offer but any department in dtv can offer it and if you call in and ask for it they will give it to you.
Really Stone, How many of your 18+ million customers know about Choice Select? Since you want to talk about facts.

Is it on Directvs Website?

So how can a customer ask about adding Choice Select package if D* doesn't tell anyone about it?

Really Stone, How many of your 18+ million customers know about Choice Select? Since you want to talk about facts.

Is it on Directvs Website?

So how can a customer ask about adding Choice Select package if D* doesn't tell anyone about it?


How many people know about a Shorte Latte , or a Frozen Strawberry Lemonaide. Does that make Starbux evil no they are called hidden menu items.


We get people who ask for it by name, while we dont mention it doesnt stop customer form finding out about it. Personally I could notlive with select I like food netowrk too much.

How many people know about a Shorte Latte , or a Frozen Strawberry Lemonaide. Does that make Starbux evil no they are called hidden menu items.


We get people who ask for it by name, while we dont mention it doesnt stop customer form finding out about it. Personally I could notlive with select I like food netowrk too much.Great Responce.:rolleyes:
I rest My case:up

Great Responce.:rolleyes:
I rest My case:up

I was never a fan of Select ( no longer called select choice )

I would watch it if it had food network as it has everything else i watch but I like Food network too much but again that why I pay for a package that includes it.

Select is Select

Here ow a typical call will go,

I like to lower my bill it simply to high and I only watch a few channels .

DTV: ok Mrs Hemi well I see you already have our base package of choice xtra but if your looking to save a little more we have special package we dont advertised known as out select package. If you let me know which channels you watch the most I will make sure they are part of this package

Ok, I like AE and my husaband loves oxygen for the chick flicks, we also watch usa and our local channesl are we going ot loose them

DTV, Your locals are included and so is AE but Oxygen only available in choice extra iand higher but select does offer other girl channels for your husban would you like to try it out for a month and see what he thinks

Thanks Stone cold your amazing I dont know why my husband is such rude person to you.

DTV Well man I do razz him from time to time and I threaten to take his lifetime movie network away the other day so he just giving me a little slack that all .


< call closing >


If the customer likes selct and we make sure it still contains channel they want to watch there more then welcome to it.

But some people insist on comparing apples and oranges.

Once Hemi forget is while a dodge caliber comes with a 1.8L 4 banger that a hidden option is a 2.4L Version with a moer power and better gas mileage

Or the 3.0 L Diesel for a Grand Cherokee. Does the dealership offer it no , if I ask for it they will give it to me.

How many people know about a Shorte Latte , or a Frozen Strawberry Lemonaide. Does that make Starbux evil no they are called hidden menu items.


We get people who ask for it by name, while we dont mention it doesnt stop customer form finding out about it. Personally I could notlive with select I like food netowrk too much.
Or In N Out's hidden menu items (http://www.badmouth.net/in-n-outs-secret-menu/) (which are some of their most popular items), such as: Animal style burger or fries (http://www.seriouseats.com/2009/01/animal-style-fries-at-in-n-out-burger.html), grilled mustard hamburger patties, Atkins burgers, grill cheese, protein burgers, the flying dutchman, 3x3, 4x4, 5x5, ex (they will put as patties as you like)

http://images.businessweek.com/ss/09/07/0722_innovative_burgers/image/006_inandout.jpg

http://ebestagent.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/135153272_cbaca52f11_o.jpg


Here is their actual menu

http://www.cogmap.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/in-and-out-menu.jpg http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1413/677657225_9296eb650e.jpg

They both are misleading agree 100 %.
But Dish Network isn't running around with adds saying "To Tell The Truth"
:rolleyes:

Ask some of them 35,000 directv customers with complaints to the BBB how Much D* tells the truth.

That figures at about .23% of the customer base. Seems VERY low to me.

DUDE Quit making me hungry! No in and out's around here! :) :D

DUDE Quit making me hungry! No in and out's around here! :) :D
You know I always have to get in my In N Out plugs where ever I can. :p

Looking at the ad, it would appear that they ae focusing on the RSN "Part-time" HD. Though if they are, an intresting statement follows, one HD show per day?

Hopefully this will keep it going on both sides, for the past couple years all was quiet, now it may look like a little "war" is brewing

A channel that shows one program of hd per day is still more than not carrying it at all. If you don't want to count full 24 hour per day hd then you can't even count the broadcast networks. They don't show hd 24 hours per day do they? I think not.

Ron

More Fergie in easy access sleeping attire please.

If you're trying to set the record straight, why set yourself up for a stinging return volley? The potential for this to backfire far outweighs the benefits.

DIRECTV needs to pitch themselves on what they're truly better at. If they can't figure out where they are undisputed winners, they need to avoid comparisons altogether.

After reading all of these pages, imo, this post by Harsh is the best and I agree. Is it ironic that Harsh is a Dish subs (did I get that right? :) ) , while I'm a DTV subs since '99?

My opinion, is, why would DTV launch any new ads before D12 is fully operational with all of the supposed new channels coming?

Also, Harsh hit on a point that DTV should be plugging all the time, and that is that they are the undisputable sports programming leader, imo. I don't see any other provide that can match DTV in overall sports coverage, "no Versus not withstanding". Dish can't, right? (no ST, no MBL EI, no YES).

That's why (Sports) I'm still with DTV after 11 yrs.

Face it DTV has to lie because we all know it isn't the equipment that makes people switch. Well maybe it is but that's another topic.:rolleyes:

its just dumb. All of these compaines ads are based on lies. With all of the HD channels available these days I can't believe this petty stuff is still going on.

I wonder how much they paid Alex Trebek

Once Hemi forget is while a dodge caliber comes with a 1.8L 4 banger that a hidden option is a 2.4L Version with a moer power and better gas mileage

Or the 3.0 L Diesel for a Grand Cherokee. Does the dealership offer it no , if I ask for it they will give it to me. The above is wrong, because these are all written options available to the consumer.
Go to Dodge.com or Jeep.com, and everything you claim they don't tell you or offer, Is offered by they way.
Caliber also has an optional 2.0L engine as well, and the Jeep has a 3.7 Standard, with an optional 4.7,5.7,and 6.1.
Last I heard the 3.0L diesel has been dropped .

But anyway all this Info can be accessed on their websites.


Now Where can I find on D* website, the under $59 per month packs?
How about the Channel list for the Select pack that cost $39.99 that no one but retension customers know about.

That figures at about .23% of the customer base. Seems VERY low to me. Enough to grade them an F

After reading all of these pages, imo, this post by Harsh is the best and I agree. Is it ironic that Harsh is a Dish subs (did I get that right? :) ) , while I'm a DTV subs since '99?

My opinion, is, why would DTV launch any new ads before D12 is fully operational with all of the supposed new channels coming?

Also, Harsh hit on a point that DTV should be plugging all the time, and that is that they are the undisputable sports programming leader, imo. I don't see any other provide that can match DTV in overall sports coverage, "no Versus not withstanding". Dish can't, right? (no ST, no MBL EI, no YES).

That's why (Sports) I'm still with DTV after 11 yrs.

I guess with these commercicals you really just have to do some research for who is your own "HD leader", if you are looking for available sports with the out of market packages its Direct.

If your focus is National HD channels and are ok with the Basic National sports channels (espn, NFL network, etc, minus MLB network) and looking for Movies and National HD, its Dish

Now the future lunch of HD channels with Direct, this may change that but we will see after the channels get launched

After reading all of these pages, imo, this post by Harsh is the best and I agree. Is it ironic that Harsh is a Dish subs (did I get that right? :) ) , while I'm a DTV subs since '99?

My opinion, is, why would DTV launch any new ads before D12 is fully operational with all of the supposed new channels coming?

Also, Harsh hit on a point that DTV should be plugging all the time, and that is that they are the undisputable sports programming leader, imo. I don't see any other provide that can match DTV in overall sports coverage, "no Versus not withstanding". Dish can't, right? (no ST, no MBL EI, no YES).

That's why (Sports) I'm still with DTV after 11 yrs.
They do have a commercial that focuses on that very point. I have seen it about 5 times already, including today. I cannot find it on the net though.

Face it DTV has to lie because we all know it isn't the equipment that makes people switch. Well maybe it is but that's another topic.:rolleyes:
So Dish does not lie when they claim, SAME TV for less, when the packages they are comparing are not the same?

They do have a commercial that focuses on that very point. I have seen it about 5 times already, including today. I cannot find it on the net though.Directv has been using this for years,
Its old now. And my guess not working.
If it was working they would still be claiming the most sports and not switching ads over to "Tell the Truth".

A lot of people are out of work, Just incase everyone forgot.
Paying $60 per month for TV and $200-$400 in sports pack isn't what customers are looking for anymore.
I don't care how many HD sports channel you have.

So Dish does not lie when they claim, SAME TV for less, when the packages they are comparing are not the same?
They do have the same TV for less.
Choice Ultimate $68.99/ Top 250 $62.99.
Exactly the same, no , but they both have channel the others don't.
But still around the same Major Networks.
And YES Network isn't major, Not everyone is a Yankees Fan.
And MLB Network is Far from Huge.
NFL Netwok is way more demanded, and Hardly any providers even carry it.

They do have the same TV for less.
Choice Ultimate $68.99/ Top 250 $62.99.
Exactly the same, no , but they both have channel the others don't.
But still around the same Major Networks.
And YES Network isn't major, Not everyone is a Yankees Fan.
And MLB Network is Far from Huge.
NFL Netwok is way more demanded, and Hardly any providers even carry it.

Also I will add Fox Sports Soccer (HD) included on Dish's 250 package, where with Direct you have to add sports pack, that would be a bumer for me to have to add sports pack just for one channel.

Just for the Record
AMC is the only Channel out of the 3 they claim are BIG Networks thats alittle big'
BUT,
AMC, Played Christmas Vacation Like 5 times a day for a month straight.
Animal Planet repeats of Dogs and Cats , and Animal cops.
FX Can't play a movie without a commercial every 10 minutes.
They take a 2 hour movie fill it with crappy HD and nonstop commercial to fill a 4 hour time slot, because they have nothing in their programming library.
And you guys say Premiums are bad.
I don't Pay $50 + per month on HBO
But if I want FX Thats $53 with E* and $59 with D*

So Dish does not lie when they claim, SAME TV for less, when the packages they are comparing are not the same?
Not so far according to the judge.:D

Enough to grade them an F

Sure, by the BBB. They do that to just about everyone that isn't a member. Does that seem like a fair way to assess a rating to you? :no

Directv has been using this for years,
Its old now. And my guess not working.
If it was working they would still be claiming the most sports and not switching ads over to "Tell the Truth".
Actually it is not old. It is a new commercial done in the same style as all of their current commercials.

They do have the same TV for less.
Choice Ultimate $68.99/ Top 250 $62.99.
Exactly the same, no , but they both have channel the others don't.
But still around the same Major Networks.
And YES Network isn't major, Not everyone is a Yankees Fan.
And MLB Network is Far from Huge.
NFL Netwok is way more demanded, and Hardly any providers even carry it.
I realize that, but the packages they were comparing in their commercials were not the same. They were not comparing choice ultimate with the top 250

Not so far according to the judge.:D
:rolleyes::p
Nice try, but that is not what the judge decided.

Sure, by the BBB. They do that to just about everyone that isn't a member. Does that seem like a fair way to assess a rating to you? :no
Thats an unfair assumtion. The BBB works for YOU.
The Consumer.
Sorry, But its a good source of Information on what a company is getting for complaints.

Nice try, but that is not what the judge decided.So the case wasn't dismissed?

So the case wasn't dismissed?The ads are still running. And according to the charlie chat , they will remain running.
E* 1
D* 0

So the case wasn't dismissed?
The judge did not make any determination as to whether the two packages had the same channels. When in fact, they do not, which thus makes the claim that it is the "same" TV, a lie.

Like I have said all along, this should never have gone to court to begin with. It should be fought in the market place, like they are now doing.

I have stated over and over that the best thing for Direct to do is to challenge Dish with a commercial of their own on the legitimacy of Dish's commercial. That is exactly what they are doing. And Dish should do the same with Direct as well.

So Dish does not lie when they claim, SAME TV for less, when the packages they are comparing are not the same?DISH Network was addressing the idea that you get most of the same channels, not that the packages were the same. This further supports DISH's contention that DIRECTV forces channels down your throat that you don't necessarily want.

The ads are still running. And according to the charlie chat , they will remain running.
E* 1
D* 0:up
That's all that matters.

Sure, by the BBB. They do that to just about everyone that isn't a member. Does that seem like a fair way to assess a rating to you? :no+1

The BBB has a long and storied history of spinning their ratings in accordance with their membership roster.

DISH Network was addressing the idea that you get most of the same channels, not that the packages were the same. This further supports DISH's contention that DIRECTV forces channels down your throat that you don't necessarily want.
Thank you for admitting it is not the SAME.

:up
That's all that matters.
And I agree here. They should still run as it should never have gone to court to begin with

DISH Network was addressing the idea that you get most of the same channels, not that the packages were the same. This further supports DISH's contention that DIRECTV forces channels down your throat that you don't necessarily want.D-TV wouldn't do that.:rolleyes:

This further supports DISH's contention that DIRECTV forces channels down your throat that you don't necessarily want. Yep. $59 per month,
We have lower packages, But just forget about them, Just give us $59:rant:

But Guys, we don't know the names ,price or what channels are in them,
But go ahead guys and ask D* for them.:rolleyes:

Is that the best they can do? WOW!
Interesting how they left out the 2 yr commitment and all their fees for extra devices.

Competitor's ad:

Sales Rep: You need a second HD DVR for your bedroom? That will be $200 please.
Sales Rep: You need additional HD receivers? Sure at $100 per unit?

Customer: Do I get to keep the units at the end of my contract?

Sales Rep: No. You need to return them to use because they are leased.

Customer: Great! So I get my fees back?

Sales Rep: Not really. We get to keep that too.


I switched back to my cable provider after I upgraded 4 tvs to HD and DTV wanted to charge me $500 for boxes which when I told them to cancel the service they lowered it to $300.00. No Thanks!

Is that the best they can do? WOW!
Interesting how they left out the 2 yr commitment and all their fees for extra devices.

Competitor's ad:

Sales Rep: You need a second HD DVR for your bedroom? That will be $200 please.
Sales Rep: You need additional HD receivers? Sure at $100 per unit?

Customer: Do I get to keep the units at the end of my contract?

Sales Rep: No. You need to return them to use because they are leased.

Customer: Great! So I get my fees back?

Sales Rep: Not really. We get to keep that too.


I switched back to my cable provider after I upgraded 4 tvs to HD and DTV wanted to charge me $500 for boxes which when I told them to cancel the service they lowered it to $300.00. No Thanks!
D* doesn't charge customers $200 for HD DVRs, What ever do you mean?:deal:
They are all free.
Well atleast your first 4 are anyway.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

That is not true currently.

Right now Direct give you your first receiver or DVR in SD or HD for free.

The second standard receiver, HD receiver, or DVR is also free, while a second HD DVR is $99.

Some of us, including myself, have gotten 2 HD DVRs for free.

As far as owning them or keeping them, why would you want to? I have 3 TiVos and 4 Hughes receivers sitting in my closet doing nothing. They either die (which means they need to be replace), become outdated (which means they are not longer of any use), or you no longer need them. Either way, why would you care if you have to give them back?

You know I always have to get in my In N Out plugs where ever I can. :pDecided to stop at In N Out on the way back from the gym. Currently eating a double double with extra crispy fries. :hungry:

Decided to stop at In N Out on the way back from the gym. Currently eating a double double with extra crispy fries. :hungry:

Sounds like you need to turn around and go back to the gym;)

Sounds like you need to turn around and go back to the gym;)
The gym is why I am able to eat In N Out :D

I know one thing, Direct is sure spending a lot of money on advertising. I have only watched about 2 hours of TV today, Extreme 4x4, Muscle Car, Trucks, and Horsepower, on Spike. I probably seen this commercial at least 5 times during that two hour block alone.

I know one thing, Direct is sure spending a lot of money on advertising. I have only watched about 2 hours of TV today, Extreme 4x4, Muscle Car, Trucks, and Horsepower, on Spike. I probably seen this commercial at least 5 times during that two hour block alone.

The question though is how much of it is local commercial insert being done at DirecTV vs. a national commercial?

The question though is how much of it is local commercial insert being done at DirecTV vs. a national commercial?
I am sure those were more national commercial spots than local. I am just guessing.

I'm happy with the HD channels that Time Warner Cable has, but maybe because I'm not a movie person.

Palladia HD
TNT HD
HD Theater
TBS in HD
Discovery Channel HD
Universal HD
Smithsonian Channel HD
Crime & Investigation Network HD
MGM HD
The Golf Channel HD
ESPN HD
ESPN2 HD
ESPNews HD
HBO HD
Showtime HD
Starz HD
Cinemax HD
CNN HD
HGTV HD
Food Network HD
Disney Channel HD
ABC Family HD
TLC HD
A&E HD
History HD
National Geographic HD
USA HD
Bravo HD
Sci Fi HD
CNBC HD+
Live Well HD
MSNBC HD
HLN HD
BBC America HD
Investigation Discovery HD
Animal Planet HD
Travel Channel HD
Planet Green HD
The Weather Channel HD
History International HD
FX HD
BIO HD
WGN America HD
Nick HD
Science Channel HD
Toon Disney HD
Cartoon Network HD
FOX Sports West HD
Prime Ticket HD
Fox News HD
Fox Business Network HD
ESPNU HD
Speed HD
Versus HD
MLB Network HD
NHL Network HD
NBA TV HD
The Tennis Channel HD
CBS College Sports HD
Lifetime Movie Network HD
Hallmark Movie Channel HD
TCM HD
AMC HD
Independent Film Channel
HBO HD (East)
Cinemax HD (East)
Showtime HD (East)
The Movie Channel HD
Starz HD (East)
We TV HD
E! HD
Style HD
HSN HD
QVC HD
VH1 HD
CMT HD
MTV HD
Fuse HD
G4 HD
Spike HD
Comedy Central HD
TV One HD
Outdoor Channel HD
BET HD

TWC added a bunch of HD in my area as well. They are my phone and internet provider so I constantly get newsletters and fliers from them. They just recently updated their lines in my area to higher quality fiber.

Funny thing is FiOs laid down fiber lines a couple of years ago and they tore up the street to do so. Then a few months ago TWC comes and does the same, tearing up the street again.

Thank you for admitting it is not the SAME.DISH didn't say that the packages were identical. That's something you brought to the party and won't let go of. DISH's claim is that you can get the channels you want for less money. It isn't always true, but it is true quite a bit of the time.

The only part they missed was the claim that they have "every channel you want to see".

DISH didn't say that the packages were identical. That's something you brought to the party and won't let go of. DISH's claim is that you can get the channels you want for less money. It isn't always true, but it is true quite a bit of the time.

The only part they missed was the claim that they have "every channel you want to see".
:rolleyes:

Something I brought to the party, hum?

Interesting that Direct brought the same thing as they interpreted, "SAME TV" to mean exactly that, SAME.

I am sorry, but I have always learned that "same" and "identical" are synonyms (http://encarta.msn.com/thesaurus_561576526/identical.html). I guess my English isn't all that great? (http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?lextype=2&search=same)

Let me ask you a simple question, did Dish claim in their commercial, when comparing the two providers and packages, "the same TV for less"?

I guess my English isn't all that great?Its better than some but driven by a mistaken interpretation.

The key to understanding all of this is that DISH has long been going on about how DIRECTV's packages are too heavily laced with filler channels and they don't offer much in the way of inexpensive offerings.

If cable or DISH has all the content you want in a cheaper package, why would you ever pay more?

Again, DISH hasn't claimed to offer the same, similar, comparable or identical packaging. They are claiming that you can get the same channels you want for less money. It is all about the channels, not the packaging.

Its better than some but driven by a mistaken interpretation.

The key to understanding all of this is that DISH has long been going on about how DIRECTV's packages are too heavily laced with filler channels and they don't offer much in the way of inexpensive offerings.

If cable or DISH has all the content you want in a cheaper package, why would you ever pay more?

Again, DISH hasn't claimed to offer the same, similar, comparable or identical packaging. They are claiming that you can get the same channels you want for less money. It is all about the channels, not the packaging.I understand Dish's angle. But the mistake, similar to the analogy you made earlier, is Dish using such a broad term. Many interpreted it as meaning the exact same lineup, and now Direct is taking advantage of Dish's broad brushed attack on them, as depicted in this commercial.

After all, it is not the same TV, as there are many channels that people like which are not included (apples to oranges comparison). Personally, my wife and myself love Animal Planet.

Many interpreted it as meaning the exact same lineup, and now Direct is taking advantage of Dish's broad brushed attack on them, as depicted in this commercial.The difference is that DISH can defend what they said in much the same way that I have illustrated. Just as many (or more) heard it for what it was: all the channels you really want for less.

Such is not to say that I agree with what DISH is saying or doing, but I think it is awfully feeble for DIRECTV to mount an attack based on an alternative interpretation.

The difference is that DISH can defend what they said in much the same way that I have illustrated. Just as many (or more) heard it for what it was: all the channels you really want for less.
According to you. According too me, Direct can defend what they say and have done a good job at doing so.

Keep in mind, both lie when it comes to things like the number of HD channels.


Such is not to say that I agree with what DISH is saying or doing, but I think it is awfully feeble for DIRECTV to mount an attack based on an alternative interpretation.I believe this is the best thing for Direct to do. And they are doing so on the interpretation of many.

Dish wants to claim "same TV", direct is simply showing that it is not the "same TV"

I'm happy with the HD channels that Time Warner Cable has, but maybe because I'm not a movie person.

Palladia HD
TNT HD
HD Theater
TBS in HD
Discovery Channel HD
Universal HD
Smithsonian Channel HD
Crime & Investigation Network HD
MGM HD
The Golf Channel HD
ESPN HD
ESPN2 HD
ESPNews HD
HBO HD
Showtime HD
Starz HD
Cinemax HD
CNN HD
HGTV HD
Food Network HD
Disney Channel HD
ABC Family HD
TLC HD
A&E HD
History HD
National Geographic HD
USA HD
Bravo HD
Sci Fi HD
CNBC HD+
Live Well HD
MSNBC HD
HLN HD
BBC America HD
Investigation Discovery HD
Animal Planet HD
Travel Channel HD
Planet Green HD
The Weather Channel HD
History International HD
FX HD
BIO HD
WGN America HD
Nick HD
Science Channel HD
Toon Disney HD
Cartoon Network HD
FOX Sports West HD
Prime Ticket HD
Fox News HD
Fox Business Network HD
ESPNU HD
Speed HD
Versus HD
MLB Network HD
NHL Network HD
NBA TV HD
The Tennis Channel HD
CBS College Sports HD
Lifetime Movie Network HD
Hallmark Movie Channel HD
TCM HD
AMC HD
Independent Film Channel
HBO HD (East)
Cinemax HD (East)
Showtime HD (East)
The Movie Channel HD
Starz HD (East)
We TV HD
E! HD
Style HD
HSN HD
QVC HD
VH1 HD
CMT HD
MTV HD
Fuse HD
G4 HD
Spike HD
Comedy Central HD
TV One HD
Outdoor Channel HD
BET HDWhere's NFL Network?

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Dish wants to claim "same TV", direct is simply showing that it is not the "same TV"
Right, Directv charges more for less.;)