Ok, non-believers this your chance to have your own magic 8 ball. It looks like everyone has one about VOOM, anyway :D. So do you want to bet on this one?

Sure, I'll be glad to take you up on this one. ;)

I'll wager a dozen doughnuts that they'll be showing the DVR. You can pick the flavor.

Does the "real deal" mean an actual production model and not a prototype or one-of-a-kind device? I would think if they are going to have the DVR released within 5 months then they should already be working with the actual hardware and should be involved in the testing and finalizing the firmware. My answer is no - they will not have the production DVR at CES.

I predict the DVR will report for duty. I am also expecting a DVR Promotion starting in March.

Does the "real deal" mean an actual production model and not a prototype or one-of-a-kind device?

Yes.

I voted yes because if they don't, someone should be fired. They've rebuilt the space shuttles in less time...

My wife sat me down last night and asked why we still have both voOm and cable. We watch network TV and use the DVR 80% of the time(she made a spreadsheet, i kid you not).
I have hung on until now believing they were moving forward.
However this is the deal maker for me, if there is not a fully functional model then I will need to walk away from Voom until they are in the market and a proven winner.

I voted "yes" because Sean started the thread and he must know something. If Voom doesnt have one by the show then I dont think they ever will.

I sure hope they show a working DVR, but I'll take a wait-and-see position. I'm trying out the local cable company's HD DVR, and I'm hooked already even though they don't have many HD channels compared to Voom (still more than D* and E* though).

I voted no hoping reverse psychology might work.

I voted no also...I want the DVR soooo badly, I really dont think my dream will come true. Im hoping to be dead wrong about this.

I voted no. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if they gave the same vaporware presentation they have given the last two times out. Scott can just repost his video of it from before.

Cable's Dual Tuner DVRs are stealing VOOM's dwindling customer base.

VOOM surprise me!

I voted "yes" because Sean started the thread and he must know something. If Voom doesnt have one by the show then I dont think they ever will.

It seems the moderators like Scott and Sean have sometimes enjoyed a tease like this. That is why I also voted yes.

Just look at the press release...

Click here (http://www.ucentric.com/index.php?news/releases/86&PHPSESSID=015ad644a96d62233912ed5483348705)

Don't click it if you want to be surprised!!!

If Voom doesnt have one by the show then I dont think they ever will.
I'm with you on this one. Tomorrow is "D-DAY" on the VOOM DVR story.

Not only did I vote YES, and believe there will be a DVR there, but I think Voom will also be showing off a non-hd receiver as well....

The answer is YES. The DVR complete solution will be there as some of you already have posted a press release and some already have some insight information. The box was built by motorola and its model # is the 580; it will have OPENTV software and Ucentric (DVR software) plus NDS. The whole network solution will be presented. What to look for? Everything.... Speculate now how long before it gets out but this is it. This is the production box that will be rolled out. I hope Scott takes a lot of pictures and video. I wonder why OPENTV??? ;)

Oh Sean you big tease :)

Well I just read this thread so it made my vote easy.

I'm pretty sure I will be joing voom in February, hopefully everything will still be there and will go smoothly without being screwed!

I have closed the poll. :D you may still post. ;)

So, no whole home solution at all? Wasn't that what they promoted last year on the CES? What's the status on that. uCentrics press release seems to state 'only' the DVR solution for vOom.....

We'll know that tomorrow when Scott reports back from CES! :)

Right Scott?

I am voting YES... But thats because I am in Vegas and saw one of the VOOM guys. :D

nice to hear from you. how is vegas. give charlie my love.

Scott hope to run into you, flying in the AM.

See I told you Scott and Sean could be bigger teases than a bar room stripper.

I can't wait for the news and reviews. I really wish I could have attending...damn this job! Perhaps we'll see live/taped coverage of CES2005 on HDN? The Camera Crew should still be in Vegas after covering the New Years festivities.

BTW, I would sure like to see a 10-15 minutes DVR preview on INVOOM (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) in the very near future.

Damn it I was at Vegas 3 wks ago. I should've changed my plans to be there this week instead or better yet, stayed the last 3 wks :D

I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I really hate CES. They show you all these nice cool gadgets, and they never seem to have them available anytime soon. It seems this stuff never hits the streets for at least a year if at all.

Hasn't Voom been showing off this DVR for sometime? Yet it still is not available. What I really want to know is WHEN!?! D%^#&T :mad:

Hasn't Voom been showing off this DVR for sometime?No, what they were showing before, was a demo: functional prototype DVR software running on a UNIX computer. This time we are hoping to see the real unit.

Damn it I was at Vegas 3 wks ago. I should've changed my plans to be there this week instead or better yet, stayed the last 3 wks :D

Nice to know you could afford the crap tables for 3 more weeks. lol :)

The answer is YES. The DVR complete solution will be there as some of you already have posted a press release and some already have some insight information. The box was built by motorola and its model # is the 580; it will have OPENTV software and Ucentric (DVR software) plus NDS. The whole network solution will be presented. What to look for? Everything.... Speculate now how long before it gets out but this is it. This is the production box that will be rolled out. I hope Scott takes a lot of pictures and video. I wonder why OPENTV??? ;)
This is Huge news. You should post over at AVS.

I bet Sean has one already. :p

I bet Sean has one already. :p

Nope not yet but you know... :D

You should post over at AVS.This thread and Sean's post have already been quoted there (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=491431). ;)

This is Huge news. You should post over at AVS.

Tired of posting at AVS and getting the same negative answers. I'd bet you that if this is posted someone would post a "but". Tired of getting into non-sensical debates of people that have no knowledge or have a special interest. So I am staying away from posting at AVS because it leads to nothing. As I said before, there's a lot of stuff we the staff know but cannot post and only will post when the information is about to go public. We knew about the DVR since early October 2004. Yes, we never had seen one but we knew that it was worked on. We knew some of it not all. We tried to leave you pieces of information here and there as clues since we knew that it was more than a unix pc.

The bottom line is that there is more where this came from and because we tried to respect insight information by not going public we sometimes need to stay away from a lot of misinformation posted here and not tried to dispute it. I can tell you right now that based on the information that we know VOOM is not going down (at least not easily). Not that we know it all but based on what we know, there is a long way to go before we all see the end of VOOM. I do not deny that I and others could have been given wrong information but that's hard to do when more than one source it's involved. There's a lot of stuff coming but ONLY time will tell. The naysayers may have their day, but it won't be in the near future.

This thread and Sean's post have already been quoted there. ;)


I was posting while you posted. Send me the link through PM. I like to read the comments although I won't post.

Added the link above.

I still have DirecTV, so should I go get signed with VOOM now?

Tired of posting at AVS and getting the same negative answers. I'd bet you that if this is posted someone would post a "but". Tired of getting into non-sensical debates of people that have no knowledge or have a special interest. I fully understand. Its pretty ridiculous over there most of the time. I really admire the way you kept a level head over there.

I still have DirecTV, so should I go get signed with VOOM now?

Chas,

welcome! I do not think we can answer this for you. The DVR is being displayed at CES 2005 but no one has a released date yet. Look on the forum and you will see all the negative/positive. Make your decision based on what you need.

I still have DirecTV, so should I go get signed with VOOM now?
Isnt that up to you?

Absolutely, that's why i been reading all the posts for more info. I think I have made my decision. Thank you much though and thanks for the welcome. glad to be on here.



:)

I fully understand. Its pretty ridiculous over there most of the time. I really admire the way you kept a level head over there.
Here , Here I totally agree with you Sean.. I too stopped posting over there on the VOOM posts because it's the same old people saying the same old uneducated and speculative things.. ans sometimes they are down right mean about it.. Like they are the HD GODS or something, Thanks for all your help... :D

Is vOom scheduling a press conference at the CES to announce the DVR and future plans?

this press release sort of bothers me though, say's what channels they are adding, more Fox Sports, but where the hell is Fox Sports West?!!?!?!

From reading the press release posted today on AVS I see no mention of a HD DVR in Voom's announced growth plans. So does this mean the DVR displayed in their CES booth is nothing more than a concept mock-up with no functional use other than set dressing? I posted this earlier on this thread and I believe someone deleted the post. So let's see if I get censored once again.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=491896

From reading the press release posted today on AVS I see no mention of a HD DVR in Voom's announced growth plans. So does this mean the DVR displayed in their CES booth is nothing more than a concept mock-up with no functional use other than set dressing? I posted this earlier on this thread and I believe someone deleted the post. So let's see if I get censored once again.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=491896
Maybe you should read the title of this thread?

I posted this earlier on this thread and I believe someone deleted the post. So let's see if I get censored once again.Is this the message you are looking for?
http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?p=271830

So does this mean the DVR displayed in their CES booth is nothing more than a concept mock-up with no functional use other than set dressing? I guess we will know for sure later today. Stay tuned for upcoming SatelliteGuys reports from CES!

Apparently D* has an Mpeg4 demonstration running there. Wheres ours?

Any pictures to post of anything yet?

DirecTV just announced that they are working with Ucentric on a whole-house DVR. The audio update when I logged in here said the Voom press conference was cancelled? Has D* scooped Voom's DVR partner?

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050106/sfth011_1.html

DirecTV just announced that they are working with Ucentric on a whole-house DVR. The audio update when I logged in here said the Voom press conference was cancelled? Has D* scooped Voom's DVR partner?

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050106/sfth011_1.html

So much for those "insiders" that were saying that Ucentric was dead in the water. How about that for a laugh? Nope. They also have cable companies as partners as well. Good for Ucentric.

Apparently D* has an Mpeg4 demonstration running there.
Does it mean that HD-TiVo will be useless when D* migrate to Mpeg4? Wow, poor people who pay 1000 grants for it. I guess D* will give them the option of a new (Ucentric?) MPEG4 DVR upgrade for another 1000 grants. LOL

Does it mean that HD-TiVo will be useless when D* migrate to Mpeg4? Wow, poor people who pay 1000 grants for it. I guess D* will give them the option of a new (Ucentric?) MPEG4 DVR upgrade for another 1000 grants. LOL


It means TIVO as a company is done! If you have anything invested on Tivo, now is the time to sell it. It looks like D* is saying its final farewell to Tivo. Sorry for those that invested on a $1K Tivo and $1K 921. One learns the hard way, the only way to get these DVRs (no matter what company it is) is to lease since technology changes by the minute.

P.S. this is just an opinion.

The UCENTRIC / VOOM Press Conference scheduled for today has been canceled.

Anyone know why this was canceled?

I sense a disturbance in the force... and it is not good.

-MP

Wow this is exciting stuff. This CES show is like waiting in the delivery room for a baby to be born.

Yes I totally agree on the lease scheme. It's a stupid idea to invest in company-tied and technology at release equipment unless you'll be able to sell it.

The release on the 942 showed no indication of a lease program, just $749. So they aren't ready to lease that expensive hardware yet.

Hopefully Voom will pull through with a lease of their DVR.

And haha to the D* people that thought E* was alone with a encoding upgrade and killing old boxes. Basically every company will be upgrading to new formats in the year ahead.

I am glad I didn't shell out the 1k for the HD tivo.

I wonder if Voom canceling the Ucentric press conference has anything to do with D* Ucentric announcement.

Wow this is exciting stuff. This CES show is like waiting in the delivery room for a baby to be born.


It didn't take as long for my kids to come out as it is taking the Voom's DVR to come out.

http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/monsieurboo/overclocking.gif

It didn't take as long for my kids to come out as it is taking the Voom's DVR to come out.

Bruce,

You are too much...man... What is it that you have E*? There are some press releases from E*, I am sure they will welcome you overthere :D

Sean, its fine to crack jokes but the press conference was cancelled. We'd like to know why. DirecTV came out swinging today, and so far Voom has done nothing but promise us 200+ SD channels that most of us could care less about.

Bruce,

You are too much...man... What is it that you have E*? There are some press releases from E*, I am sure they will welcome you overthere :D

It was a joke, don't start taking me too serious, I said for a while now that as soon as Voom gets a DVR out and my RSN I would give them another try, and even through I have E* , I have learned to believe nothing they say or put out in a press release.

Bruce,

You are too much...man... What is it that you have E*? There are some press releases from E*, I am sure they will welcome you overthere :D

Bruce,

That's not a good sign when the moderator is telling you to basically "take a hike".


If VOOM doesn't announce their DVR today, then I consider that a BAD SIGN.

What exactly is VOOM showing at their booth right now???

Has anyone who is at the show seen the VOOM DVR yet? Are there pictures somewhere? and how does it work with the program guide? Is it a different program guide with a search function? Can you watch an OTA station while you record another OTA station?

Please - no replies about what you "heard" it can do - only facts please.

Has anyone who is at the show seen the VOOM DVR yet? Are there pictures somewhere? and how does it work with the program guide? Is it a different program guide with a search function? Can you watch an OTA station while you record another OTA station?

Please - no replies about what you "heard" it can do - only facts please.
I don't have an answer but although all your questions are interesting, the big question is WHEN? I was expecting the now cancelled Ucentric/VOOM conference to answered it :(

Warning just speculation: but I wonder is this has anything to do with the canceled press conference. I personally don’t put a lot of faith in CBS’s reporting, and it is touted as specuialtion, but I don’t remember seeing anything even this close to ‘firm’ before.


"Also, speaking of EchoStar, Eagan is convinced that the company, led by its mercurial chairman, Charlie Ergen, will buy Cablevision's Voom satellite for between $125 million and $175 million.

Cablevision (CVC: news, chart, profile) said last month that its planned spinoff of Rainbow Media Enterprises - which includes Voom, cable networks AMC, Women's Entertainment and the Independent Film Channel; and the company's Clearview Cinemas unit -- has been postponed for the third time this year.

The reality may be, said Eagan, that Cablevision has decided to sell the satellite, and Voom's current orbital slot complements EchoStar's existing orbital locations."


http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7B9D4D7A95-D476-491B-92D9-6241BAC6DCA7%7D&siteid=google&dist=google


I honestly hope this isnt true, but hey who knows if its even half true.

The show has been going on all day and there are no reports of anyone seeing the VOOM DVR?

How about re-opening the poll?

Scott will. Just be patient. He is a one man show trying to do video, interview, photos for the entire CES 2005! I am sure tonight we will read or see information about it. So hang on.

For whatever it is worth Scott just announced that he had seen the Voom DVR. Go to main page and listen to him....

A quick update from Scott: VOOM has the "580" DVRs at the booth but for some reason not on display. All demonstrations are run from the real 580 DVRs, even though the 550 STBs are displayed. They seem to be operational, though the software is not fully ready yet. The release is expected in March, according to what he was told. Scott took some pictures and taped a demonstration, but it will be at least another couple of hours before he will get a chance to post his reports here.

Update: As later reported by Scott and others, the VOOM DVR was shown on display during the CES-2005. Scott must have missed it somehow on the first day...

LOL, I missread that as the number of DVRs was 580 heh, not the model number :)

Go to main page and listen to him....

:confused: Can you explain where to go to listen to him?
Thanks.

LOL, I missread that as the number of DVRs was 580 heh, not the model number :)Oooops... ;)

:confused: Can you explain where to go to listen to him?
Thanks.Go to www.satelliteguys.us
There is a "talking head" there that plays Scott's audio updates from CES from time to time.

Yeah he starts talking about it then it goes Voom D...

He must've run out of time.

Ahh the suspense!!!!! :)

so voom still doesnt have a working DVR? and D* does? geez

This is driving me nuts. Duct Tape!
My head is going to explode.

Sorry, I may be a bit off topic.

This will be the only way Voom will be able to jump ahead of the competition. When first mentioning the DVR and whole home network they mentioned the originator of the technology. That was a year ago. If they don't release both the DVR and whole house networking by march or sooner they will be a failure.

A quick update from Scott: VOOM has the "580" DVRs at the booth but for some reason not on display.

"for some reason" huh.

Unfortunately, I must declare the people who voted "no" in this poll correct.

"for some reason" huh.

Unfortunately, I must declare the people who voted "no" in this poll correct.

They all wrong whomever posted no. There's more than meet the eyes in these things and more behind the scenes which is not revealed all at once. When the time is right, it will be revealed. For now the DVR is real and that's what matters... What happens next, we can all speculate (at least some know what is going on but those are not talking :) )

With this said, it has been fun to entertain you all until we hear the real news from CES 2005. Tune to VOOM news from CES-2005 (http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?p=272683#post272683) for updates. This thread is now closed. :)

Man it got cut off?

Ok how about a few photos real quick...

The first picture is the receivers which are running the demonstration, they are REAL 580's the wires sticking out are so the guys can update the software on the box.