Telesat has released the map for N6 which will replace N1 @91 in 2012.

As expected it is the same as N4 presently @ 82

So if you cannot receive signals now from 82, you will lose all Bell channels after N6 becomes operational

So please explain this to me like I am a 5 year old lol. I am in North Fort Myers Florida with my brand new Bell 9241 reciever, dish and LNB and have a 100% signal SD. So when the new bird is launched and operational, I will have NO Bell service? is this correct?

Thank you

yep pretty much

There are 2 satellites with Bell...91W & 82W

91W as of right now covers the whole US & Canada
82W covers a little bit into US

When the new sat is put at 91W it will have the same footpriont as 82W. If you live near the Canadian border you'll be OK...anything south of that...no way

Im assuming that I will still be ok as im using a Dish 500 now and it works for both.

You assume correctly, you should be fine.

RoddyCharles, you will not see Bell TV in Florida when Nimiq6 is fully functional. Your signal will be 0% intstead of 100%, sorry.

Im assuming that I will still be ok as im using a Dish 500 now and it works for both.

what kind of signals do you get especially on 82W. I havent tried in a while but when I tired a 18" I had bad results. The 30" worked fine (and I'm just down the road from ya) ;)

Im getting as low as 62 on some tp's and as high as 78 on others. Where as on 91 in getting 92-96

This is all just my luck. I just bought a place down in mesa and heading down there in December. I sent a 20" dish down there, and was going to take my Expressvu reciever. Now everything will change next year. I have been an expressve subscriber for 15 years.

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Does Bell have a mental problem or are they trying to go bankrupt,imagine the customers that will switch to Rodgers next year if this happens.

I think you mean Shaw Direct. Thats a helluva of a lot of cable to run for Rogers. ;)

The one that used to be starchoice I meant.

I don't think Bell cares too much for US subs.

They never did... It's a shame the new Shaw Direct satellite G1 will not be seen in the south either.

Can someone clarify what all this means to the snowbirds and the Canadians living in the US.

Can someone clarify what all this means to the snowbirds and the Canadians living in the US.

either you have to live right near the Canadian border or you're screwed

I guess they could sub to Blue Sky assuming it ever launches & will work over the US

If this happens then bell gets put on vacation next winter and we get a US company then put them on vacation when we leave.

Oh no--so Shaw is putting up a new bird too that wont get to the US??? We were expecting bad news about Bell but we thought we could switch to Shaw. :( is that next year to? Or soon? no use buying Shaw equip. if its going away too.... :(

p.s. When is the Bell launch is it after the Olympics?

Shaw is NOT replacing Ku feeds on F1R/F2. They are adding 16 additional transponders on the Extended Ku frequencies of G1. The Extended Ku band is not "satellite only" in the US or Mexico. Hence the footprint will be similar to the old Anik E2 satellite

I don't understand why this is a big deal. Why on earth would you want a crappy Canadian provider when you have access to Dish and DIRECTV?

Most Canadians would instantly jump at the chance to get a real satelllite provider.

I don't understand why this is a big deal. Why on earth would you want a crappy Canadian provider when you have access to Dish and DIRECTV?

Most Canadians would instantly jump at the chance to get a real satelllite provider.

I don't know....I have been quite happy with Bell for the past 16 years.

When I go down to Arizona during the winter...I want to get my Canadian programing... not just a couple channels.

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If this happens then bell gets put on vacation next winter and we get a US company then put them on vacation when we leave.

You should have been doing that anyway. By using Bell TV in the US you are breaking the Terms Of Service that you agree to every month by paying the Bill.

If they ever discovered you were doing this they could close your account, leaving you will the problem of moving to another provider.

Shaw is NOT replacing Ku feeds on F1R/F2. They are adding 16 additional transponders on the Extended Ku frequencies of G1. The Extended Ku band is not "satellite only" in the US or Mexico. Hence the footprint will be similar to the old Anik E2 satellite
So when we lose Bell we can buy Shaw and still be OK? Please say yes! :eek:

I agree but how easy is it for a canadian to get Direct or Dish without a social security #.Also the Canadian Sat gives you country wide coverage as well as both east and west US networks and some superstations if you like.How many Canadian stations does either US company provide none that I know of but they should have at less the CBC.

You should have been doing that anyway. By using Bell TV in the US you are breaking the Terms Of Service that you agree to every month by paying the Bill.

interesting as both providers knowingly know that folks have snowbird accounts. Hell Shaw encourages it.

interesting as both providers knowingly know that folks have snowbird accounts. Hell Shaw encourages it.

CRTC doesn't want it. The providers wouldn't mind otherwise. Which sane company would refuse customers? :-)

This blows . we cant even get 82 with a 10' solid. bell is the only provider that has the programing i want to watch. I best find some one north to host a sling box for me and pay the internet cost to off set it :-(

So when we lose Bell we can buy Shaw and still be OK? Please say yes! :eek:

You will still get all the channels they will broadcast from the current F1 and F2 satellites, you will just not be able to see whatever they decide to put on the new G1 satellite.

You will still get all the channels they will broadcast from the current F1 and F2 satellites, you will just not be able to see whatever they decide to put on the new G1 satellite.
What QCK says is very true......for the short-to-medium term.

The real question is, however, that when F1R and F2 are replaced, as they eventually will be, will their replacements continue to have the same North/Central American coverage, or will they adopt the same Canada-Only beam as G1 and the Bell satellites?

I've not read any official information on this question; maybe it's too far in the future to even consider. But if you decide to make an investment in Shaw service & equipment for use in the southern states, you should keep in mind that it may not be a permanent solution. And if it turns out not to be a permanent solution, there will be no other solution unless a lot of laws and agreements between Canada & the US change.

Just as a note to that, F1R at 107.3W (launched in 2005) & F2 at 111.1W (launched in 2004) are not very old. So it will be still a few years going by a normal 15 year life cycle before the replacement for them are a concern for southern subs.

Just as a note to that, F1R at 107.3W (launched in 2005) & F2 at 111.1W (launched in 2004) are not very old. So it will be still a few years going by a normal 15 year life cycle before the replacement for them are a concern for southern subs.

That's good news!!

You will still get all the channels they will broadcast from the current F1 and F2 satellites, you will just not be able to see whatever they decide to put on the new G1 satellite. Please can someone tell me where is a list of F1/F2 channels?

Here ya go:

107.3W Anik F1R Shaw Direct on Anik F1R at 107.3°W - LyngSat (http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/shawf1_chno.html)
111.1@ Anik F2 Shaw Direct on Anik F2 at 111.1°W - LyngSat (http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/shawf2_chno.html)

We are in Ocala and have watch Bell for 4 years no problem , just brought down new HD dish and started to set it up.
Not so happy with the news , I just read .
Can a signal be gotten from 82 right now , if so how .
Thanks

107.3W Anik F1R Shaw Direct on Anik F1R at 107.3°W - LyngSat (http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/shawf1_chno.html)
111.1@ Anik F2 Shaw Direct on Anik F2 at 111.1°W - LyngSat (http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&key=75e6a59ec8cc421e360c4b7d2e7e5937&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.satelliteguys.us%2Fcanadian-satellite-services%2F268622-nimiq-6-footprint-map-released-4.html%23post2681449&v=1&libid=1319978842894&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lyngsat.com%2Fpackages%2Fshawf2_chno.html&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.satelliteguys.us%2Fcanadian-satellite-services%2F&title=Nimiq%206%20Footprint%20map%20released&txt=Shaw%20Direct%20on%20Anik%20F2%20at%20111.1%C2%B0W%20-%20LyngSat&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13199790510005)

Which satallite is 84 and which is 91......
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Bell is 91 that seems to be what is working for now in the south your wasting your time hooking up the HD according to the map.

Can a signal be gotten from 82 right now , if so how .
Thanks

nope

QCK thank you for the links also we looked at Shaws website. We will be sorry to lose WgBH that's where all the PBS shows come from so they dont preempt them also they show lots of good older stuff like tonite we're taping Hustle and MI-5 that our own PBS station doesn't show. well we will have more questions about Shaw but we'll do that in a new thread when the time comes. :(

Peano, you probably have never seen Bell. The Sports coverage is very good especially Hockey and Baseball. Much better commentators. Time shifting for US Networks is$1.00. World news much better coverage. Canadian networks have several original programs. Different independent providers. Almost all local Canadian stations included. If you are from Canada it means you can watch your home town news. They use Dish receivers and equipment so it is familar. No learning curve for the wife. No receiver fees up to 5 receivers. No 722 or 922. Overall cheaper than Dish. Less premium movie channels.

I have Bell.

I live near NYC on Long Island The footprint for the new bird seems to go right over the area I am not sure if I am on the line or a bit below it Will I be able to get the channels or not? Thanks

Aust54

I live in the Bucktown neighborhood of Chicago IL. According to the Nimiq 4 map for 82 deg. I am about 12 miles outside of the footprint. However on my 18" x 23" Dish 500 dish I get a signal as low as 57 on TR 6, 55 on TR 30 and as high as 71 on TR 1 & 67 on TR 32. For the most park I get satisfactory reception however my HD channels get hit more often by rain fade. (On soon to be replaced 91 sats I get as low 78 as on TR 2 and as high as 97 on TR 21.)

Based on this I will probably upgrade to a Channel Master 84E 40"inch in the spring which would give much higher gain. Impaktproducts.com offers it with the options for Dish Pro LNBF which will also work for Bell 82/91 sats. They also offer two dual LNBF's if you have an older receiver which doesn't support Dish Pro technology.
Footprint maps aren't perfect. If you are close the edge of a satellite footprint map you might get lucky with a standard sized dish or you might get good service with a larger dish. At a certain point though if you are too far outside of the 82 deg footprint (or the similar new 91 bird footprint) (Like in the Southern US states) you are S.O.L. no matter how big your dish is and will need to go with Star Choice. I'm a big fan of BPM TV which is only on Bell so I'm sticking with Bell as long as their footprint doesn't shrink any further.

Has anyone heard when we will lose 91 in AZ hope not till end of March when we go home,I already have a Direct receiver sitting in my storage compartment if we loose Bell.

Probably when Nimiq 6 becomes active.....

Marg we're wondering the same thing. I saw a posting somwhere else that said summer but I dont know if thats true. I looked at Telsats website once and it didn't say a date. We are starting to find out about Shaw Direct so well be ready to switch.

Has anyone heard when we will lose 91 in AZ hope not till end of March when we go home,I already have a Direct receiver sitting in my storage compartment if we loose Bell.

Marg, are you planning to take the Direct TV dish back to Canada.....I wonder if it will work up here.

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Direct work in Canada but you have to remember Canada is a BIG place so it might not work everywhere, or you might need a larger Dish than standard, just the same as happens when people in the US want Bell TV, they might need a larger Dish depending on their location.

Around Southern Ontario, the std Direct Dish works great.

I have seen a couple of the standard Direct Dishes in Manitoba as well, and they seem to work fine. Southern Manitoba that is.

My uncle has it for years now ,he lives in London Ontario and it works great according to him.I still find it hard to believe Bell could take that many people cancelling there service at once there would be thousands.

I just hate to loss all my Canadian news channels, TSN sports and CBC curling, AND THE JETS GAMES. (GO JETS)

Is it possible that even when the new satellite is launched, the old one will remain up for a period of time (years)..??

I'll probably switch over to Star Choice.

Is Star choice what is now Shaw Direct..??

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Is it possible that even when the new satellite is launched, the old one will remain up for a period of time (years)..??
No, that will not happen, the new satellite footprint at 91W will be gone from most of the US later this year.


Is Star choice what is now Shaw Direct..??
Yes, Star Choice changed their name to Shaw Direct a while ago.