Anyone know if the CW will ever be made available in HD? I currently get the CW on 3 different channels. One via antenna, one as a part of my locals via Dishnetwork and one out of NYC, all 3 are only available in SD. My wife is ready to switch to a different provider just to get this channel in HD, as she watches so many shows on it. (I don't think DirecTV offers it in HD either)

Anyone know anything about this channel and will it ever be made available in HD?

Thanks.

Each CW is dependent on market. For instance, the Pittsburgh market has the CW in HD. What market are you in?

Each CW is dependent on market. For instance, the Pittsburgh market has the CW in HD. What market are you in?

Erie PA, I don't think it's available locally in HD. But one of the Channels I get it on is WPIX out of NYC which is available in HD but we only get it in SD on channel 234

WPIX is only available in HD in the NYC market.

Dish has only added CW HD in larger markets thus far, similar to adding PBS HD. I doubt the rest of us will get it until they are forced to add all the HD locals in each market. An exception might be if the local CW is also owned by one of the Big 4 in a market and carriage is dependent on the CW being added to get the Big 4 station.

Dish only gives you the CW in HD if its available (and they agree to it)
Erie CW is a subchannel on WSEE and isnt in HD at all....so little hard for Dish to carry it in HD ;)

There are some markets that do get the CW from NY (WPIX) along with a local CW. Back when it was WB alot of smaller markets got WPIX instead of their local CW. Dish has now started carrying CW in markets like that but not dropping the NY version. My locals are the same in Duluth, MN. We get KDLH-DT2 (CW) and WPIX. Our CW is actually in SD widescreen so when you tune in you may get one of 4 screen setups
-black bar on sides
-the box in a box
-widescreen (black bars on top and bottom)
-full screen

UGH!

Erie DMA has no HD locals on Dish, according to TheList.

that too ;)

Erie PA, I don't think it's available locally in HD. But one of the Channels I get it on is WPIX out of NYC which is available in HD but we only get it in SD on channel 234
does it show on 251 too?

Dish has only added CW HD in larger markets thus far, similar to adding PBS HD. I doubt the rest of us will get it until they are forced to add all the HD locals in each market. An exception might be if the local CW is also owned by one of the Big 4 in a market and carriage is dependent on the CW being added to get the Big 4 station.

I must say they are doing it as they reach agreements. Boston is in the top ten and only the big four are in HD here. I said this in other posts, Boston's WGBH produces much of PBS programing, and still SD. It's simply based on contracts, not big vs small.

Would be nice is Dish could offer one national CW channel in HD in the interim.Would certainly be doable b/width wise.

Just depends on your area. DFW has it so I get it.

In Tulsa we got our CW in HD when Griffin Communications contract for our CBS came up. Griffin also owns our CW affiliate. Dish now carries the Big 4 and PBS and CW in HD for Tulsa.

Here in Minneapolis Dish doesnt have the CW in HD but DIrectv does
Sinclair owns them.....so that might be way ;)

Here in Minneapolis Dish doesnt have the CW in HD but DIrectv does
Sinclair owns them.....so that might be way ;)

Sinclair owns the STL ABC affiliate & it's in HD.

Just depends on your area. DFW has it so I get it.

yep, that's correct, KDAF "The 33", the DFW area CW station is in fact in HD on Dish.

In my area we just got MNT and PBS in HD on DISH satellite.We have not got CW in HD yet,but I already get it in HD OTA.:D

Anyone know if the CW will ever be made available in HD? I currently get the CW on 3 different channels. One via antenna, one as a part of my locals via Dishnetwork and one out of NYC, all 3 are only available in SD. My wife is ready to switch to a different provider just to get this channel in HD, as she watches so many shows on it. (I don't think DirecTV offers it in HD either)
Anyone know anything about this channel and will it ever be made available in HD?

Thanks.



So, to answer your question, and let your wife know.

IN your area the CW is not in HD, so you will not be able to get it from any provider.

Have her contact the station and ask them when they might be in HD.

My area does not have a CW station as it was turned into a FOX affiliate, and became a sub-channel of our ABC station, and is in HD, when the digital conversion took place in 2009. I do not want to watch it in SD, as I try not to watch SD as I find it hard to watch, otherwise I would get a Superstation

Would be grate if the cws in superstations pack go hd national

Until they are allowed to go outside of an existing DMA by the FCC then you will not get an HD if you local is SD.

I doubt WSEE DT2 will ever go HD. The only things you'll see on any of WSEE's channels/subchannels in HD in the foreseeable future are the CBS network shows. Even Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy are shown in Standard def.

Even Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy are shown in Standard def.This has to do with the fact that the HD version of these shows cost more than SD. Also probably the playout server or tape machines they have to play them are SD.

This has to do with the fact that the HD version of these shows cost more than SD. Also probably the playout server or tape machines they have to play them are SD.

That's what I'm thinking. Erie is one of the smaller markets, so I would imagine all of the local channels only have the budget to show network programming in HD. The head of programming for WSEE and WICU told me in e-mail about a year and a half ago that they'll eventually get to the point where they'll be able to air syndicated shows in HD as well, but it will take some time before they do so.

That's what I'm thinking. Erie is one of the smaller markets, so I would imagine all of the local channels only have the budget to show network programming in HD. The head of programming for WSEE and WICU told me in e-mail about a year and a half ago that they'll eventually get to the point where they'll be able to air syndicated shows in HD as well, but it will take some time before they do so.Actually what they do is take the sat feed and just pass it thru to transmitter and then when it's local commercial time they switch to their old SD server or tapes. Been there at 2 stations that we eventaully went HD with new servers. To play the HD syndicated shows they will have to add HD sat receivers which are not cheap. Then they will need to have a server that can handle HD playout. Those aren't cheap either have helped install & maintain them.

Would be grate if the cws in superstations pack go hd national

Likely not to happen as the local CWs would be sort of pissed. Some if not all the superstations are in HD for their actual local markets. As I recall, the superstations were a special case via legislation years ago.

My local CW in Pensacola/Mobile is in HD on Dish. Do not know why.

My local CW in Pensacola/Mobile is in HD on Dish. Do not know why.

LIN owns it....they are notorious for pulling their "main" station (in this case Fox) at re-up time unless their "other" station is carried in HD too

This has to do with the fact that the HD version of these shows cost more than SD. Also probably the playout server or tape machines they have to play them are SD.


That's what I'm thinking. Erie is one of the smaller markets, so I would imagine all of the local channels only have the budget to show network programming in HD. The head of programming for WSEE and WICU told me in e-mail about a year and a half ago that they'll eventually get to the point where they'll be able to air syndicated shows in HD as well, but it will take some time before they do so.

The market 65 miles down the road from me (Mankato, MN) is like that. CBS and Fox subchannel. The only thing in HD (well for Fox 480i widescreen) is the network passthrough. Everything else is BBH (black bar hell). So Fox is basically primetime and sports. CBS is primetime, the national news, sports, and the daytime stuff like TPIR and the Soaps. All syndicated stuff is not in HD (Dr Phil, Wheel, Ellen, etc).

The problem with the CBS is during Saturday's they are notorious for having the computer drop the HD at a specific time even if the programming isnt over. So lets say the basketball game runs past 5:00....sorry at 5:00 the side bars are gone and now its back to black bars. Every night we see it. National news runs from 5:30-6 and at 5:58 the black bars show up...usually right after they say "good night"

They can't even do the news in 16:9 widescreen. HD for them is a long way away but they can't even do it in widescreen

It's expensive to replace the old SD master control system. Last one I figured out was over $100k. HD studio cameras aren't cheap either. They can easily be $20k or more each. :D

The problem with the CBS is during Saturday's they are notorious for having the computer drop the HD at a specific time even if the programming isnt over. So lets say the basketball game runs past 5:00....sorry at 5:00 the side bars are gone and now its back to black bars. Every night we see it. National news runs from 5:30-6 and at 5:58 the black bars show up...usually right after they say "good night"

Yeow! Erie doesn't really have that problem. Every now and then, a network show on CBS will downgrade to standard, but usually someone is there to fix it, and it jumps back to HD. The problem usually lasts anywhere from two to five minutes. At least that was the problem when I had all of the locals on Time Warner. Don't know if that's still the case now, as I'm unable to get local programming due to a tree blocking, and not having been able to pull in local CBS, NBC, or CW through the OTA module for more than a minute at a time on rare occasions (hence why All American Direct is supplying me with distant CBS and NBC).


They can't even do the news in 16:9 widescreen. HD for them is a long way away but they can't even do it in widescreen

It's the same here, local news is always in SD, with the black bars to the side.

Even syndicated programs in my are like wheel of fourtune ellen etc are not shown in hd on my lical hd locals just the network proming can be seen in hd ie glee chuck

We are fortunate in Tulsa. All the stations have upgraded their equipment and do all local programming and news in HD and all but our Fox affiliate have done the upgrades for syndicated and time delayed HD. Our CBS affiliate is currently airing local news programming in 16:9 SD even though they film in HD, until their new broadcast building is completed in the next few months, but they pass the network and syndicated HD through.

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I keep getting commercials watching Hulu saying that CW shows are available the next day on Hulu Plus. It may be something the OP wants to check out. I've got a Roku and it works well watching HD content on Hulu Plus, Netflix, and Amazon Instant Video...

Why has no one mentined the yearly February 17th date which requires a phase-in for carriage of all HD locals in a market, if one is already carried? The requirement is currently 30% of the markets, but will increase to 60% on 02/17/12 and 100% on 02/17/13. Here in San Francisco it seems pretty apparent that we will have all of our locals carried in HD in about a month. I say this because they recently added three more (KQED, KRCB and KCSM) which makes for 11 of 15. I expect they will add the other four (KOFY, KBCW, KSTS and KKPX). This is a market's best hope for getting the CW in HD.

Big markets first my A$$. I'm in Phila market. Top 5. no PBS or CW.

Haven't got HD - CW in Detroit, either.

Big markets first my A$$. I'm in Phila market. Top 5. no PBS or CW.

I never said big markets first. I only said, here in San Francisco, it appears likely that we will be one of the markets used to meet the 60% threshold which kicks in on 02/17/12. Since we now have 11 of 15, and some of those aren't major stations, and were recently added, it seems likely they will be adding the other four stations by 02/17/12. I don't know this for sure, but it seems to be a logical conclusion based upon the recent addition of three more stations. I have no idea what will happen in Philadelphia!

still waiting for KMAX-HD in Sacramento. They should add KTLA-HD to markets on the west coast and WPIX-HD to markets on the east that don't get CW in HD.

still waiting for KMAX-HD in Sacramento. They should add KTLA-HD to markets on the west coast and WPIX-HD to markets on the east that don't get CW in HD.

they can't...rules prevent them from adding any local outside of your area unless it is missing. This does not include the HD version

they can't...rules prevent them from adding any local outside of your area unless it is missing. This does not include the HD version

But he is asking about the Superstations which were grandfathered. Are we saying the legal law is that only the SD version of the channel is Grandfathered. I can't find that rule documented. Wonder if its because dish does not have the bandwidth to add the super station on a conus.

Why has no one mentined the yearly February 17th date which requires a phase-in for carriage of all HD locals in a market, if one is already carried? The requirement is currently 30% of the markets, but will increase to 60% on 02/17/12 and 100% on 02/17/13. Here in San Francisco it seems pretty apparent that we will have all of our locals carried in HD in about a month. I say this because they recently added three more (KQED, KRCB and KCSM) which makes for 11 of 15. I expect they will add the other four (KOFY, KBCW, KSTS and KKPX). This is a market's best hope for getting the CW in HD.Because we were waiting for you.

But he is asking about the Superstations which were grandfathered. Are we saying the legal law is that only the SD version of the channel is Grandfathered. I can't find that rule documented. Wonder if its because dish does not have the bandwidth to add the super station on a conus.

Not sure, I kind of remember this being debated about the time of the digital switchover. The superstations were grandfathered by call sign i.e... KTLA and not KTLA - DT.

There is no such thing as the old SD station KTLA as no one can broadcast in SD, to me KTLA-DT is auto grandfather and thus allowed for HD. I still think it is Dish not doing HD nation wide it due to bandwidth issues. I have heard of some getting the superstations in HD if they are near the TV market and under the spot beam.

There is no such thing as the old SD station KTLA as no one can broadcast in SD, to me KTLA-DT is auto grandfather and thus allowed for HD. I still think it is Dish not doing HD nation wide it due to bandwidth issues. I have heard of some getting the superstations in HD if they are near the TV market and under the spot beam.
You are incorrect on this many stations broadcast in digital 480 format. That is SD.

The FCC in setting the percentages of DMAs that MUST be carried by certain dates has inadvertently guaranteed that the larger DMAs may be the LAST to get theirs included.

For instance if by adding 2 stations in DMA "X", Dish is able to fill that DMAs HD menu while a larger DMA "Y" may require they add 6 stations to full the DMA out, Dish naturally uses the 2 station option instead of the 6 station option which uses up much more bandwidth.

These "smart" people who craft these lovely regulations often see them as they are written while the subjects of their regulations look at them for the cheapest and easiest way to comply. Not surprisingly, these two views are often miles apart.

So I am in a smaller DMA, all they need to do is add CW and PBS in HD and I am covered making it count as one of percentages.. Sweet

You are incorrect on this many stations broadcast in digital 480 format. That is SD.

You know what I mean. The old Analog of KTLA can not legally be broadcasted over the air. It has to be KTLA-DT now. None of the big stations can broadcast over the air in Analog.
None of the Super Stations broadcast in SD over the air anymore, there all doing HD on there DT. DIsh just converts down.

This is why I say it is legal for Dish to do the SuperStations in HD, just they just dont have the bandwidth to do it as it would have to be on a Conus beam not a regional spot bean.

You know what I mean. The old Analog of KTLA can not legally be broadcasted over the air. It has to be KTLA-DT now. None of the big stations can broadcast over the air in Analog.
None of the Super Stations broadcast in SD over the air anymore, there all doing HD on there DT. DIsh just converts down.

This is why I say it is legal for Dish to do the SuperStations in HD, just they just dont have the bandwidth to do it as it would have to be on a Conus beam not a regional spot bean.Most likely it has more to do with contracts than bandwidth.

The FCC in setting the percentages of DMAs that MUST be carried by certain dates has inadvertently guaranteed that the larger DMAs may be the LAST to get theirs included.

For instance if by adding 2 stations in DMA "X", Dish is able to fill that DMAs HD menu while a larger DMA "Y" may require they add 6 stations to full the DMA out, Dish naturally uses the 2 station option instead of the 6 station option which uses up much more bandwidth.

These "smart" people who craft these lovely regulations often see them as they are written while the subjects of their regulations look at them for the cheapest and easiest way to comply. Not surprisingly, these two views are often miles apart.

Does someone have a list of these? I've got OTA, but still would be nice to set it aside for outages and disputes.

What DMA's?

still waiting for KMAX-HD in Sacramento. They should add KTLA-HD to markets on the west coast and WPIX-HD to markets on the east that don't get CW in HD.

Superstations in HD outside their local spotbeams won't happen anytime soon, if ever. You're asking them to do something which would likely lead to the local CW affiliates invoking SyndEx on network and/or syndicated shows, and if SyndEx is invoked on even one show on a Superstation, that Superstation's availability goes bye bye from whatever local markets are doing it.

From today's up link report
Channel Additions:
6449(44) - KBCW [MPEG4 HD] added to Ciel-2 129W TP 01 Spotbeam 16 (Mkt:San Francisco, CA-San Francisco, CA-CW) (NA)


Why has no one mentined the yearly February 17th date which requires a phase-in for carriage of all HD locals in a market, if one is already carried? The requirement is currently 30% of the markets, but will increase to 60% on 02/17/12 and 100% on 02/17/13. Here in San Francisco it seems pretty apparent that we will have all of our locals carried in HD in about a month. I say this because they recently added three more (KQED, KRCB and KCSM) which makes for 11 of 15. I expect they will add the other four (KOFY, KBCW, KSTS and KKPX). This is a market's best hope for getting the CW in HD.

From today's up link report
Channel Additions:
6449(44) - KBCW [MPEG4 HD] added to Ciel-2 129W TP 01 Spotbeam 16 (Mkt:San Francisco, CA-San Francisco, CA-CW) (NA)

Yes, this looks like an additonal confirmation that San Francisco is going to be among the 60% of markets with all of their local HD channels available on Dish by 02/17/12. I expect to see KOFY, KSTS and KKPX added in the next four weeks or so. Hopefully, KBCW will be made available this coming Wednesday, now that it's been uplinked!

They have every Sacramento station in HD but KMAX-CW which shows the SF Giants games. It'd be nice to see the Giants in HD or the Raiders pre-season.

Most of the CW stations are on sub-channels and they would not be HD. If a sub channel is HD, you can be sure the main channel is pseudo HD as the bandwith for a station is the same if there is only a main channel or 43 or 4 sub channels.. they all have to fit in that fixed bandwidth spectrum called the channel.

Most of the CW stations are on sub-channels and they would not be HD. If a sub channel is HD, you can be sure the main channel is pseudo HD as the bandwith for a station is the same if there is only a main channel or 43 or 4 sub channels.. they all have to fit in that fixed bandwidth spectrum called the channel.Bull!!!!!!!! With Variable Bit Rate and a good encoder it's easy to fit 2 HD channels in to OTA ch. Especially if they're 720P.

Most of the CW stations are on sub-channels and they would not be HD. If a sub channel is HD, you can be sure the main channel is pseudo HD as the bandwith for a station is the same if there is only a main channel or 43 or 4 sub channels.. they all have to fit in that fixed bandwidth spectrum called the channel.

well then you better call some of those smaller markets that have 2 720p stations on 1 channel

Ya better call both network affiliates in Sherman Texas/Ada Oklahoma then and tell them they're doing it wrong
KTEN NBC 1080i
KTEN-DT2 CW 480
KTEN-DT3 ABC 720p

KRII CBS 1080i
KXII-DT2 MY 480i
KXII-DT3 FOX 720p

Also hate to say it but stations are doing 480i widescreen and calling it "HD"

I just noticed channel 254 added to my guide, at first it was marked as WPIX then later changed to CW. Anybody knows what the deal is what that channel?
If it is sticking for free it would make a good addition for those who don't get a local CW. Even if it's in SD it's better than nothing.

A while ago (a few years maybe) Dish added WPIX and I **Think** at the time was CW San Diego (was 69 now as moved to 6) to markets that didnt have a CW. Even after some markets got their "local" CW Dish has kept it

My market (Duluth, MN) has had WPIX as channel 251 for a few years now. Recently Dish added the local CW (KDLH-DT2) under channel 11 but we still have 251 as WPIX

A while ago (a few years maybe) Dish added WPIX and I **Think** at the time was CW San Diego (was 69 now as moved to 6) to markets that didnt have a CW. Even after some markets got their "local" CW Dish has kept it

My market (Duluth, MN) has had WPIX as channel 251 for a few years now. Recently Dish added the local CW (KDLH-DT2) under channel 11 but we still have 251 as WPIX

Thanks Iceberg. That explains it. My current market doesn't have a local CW.

Is there any info on CW Hd for West Palm Beach, FL?

It's not in San Francisco either......

Not sure, I kind of remember this being debated about the time of the digital switchover. The superstations were grandfathered by call sign i.e... KTLA and not KTLA - DT.

The notion that the digital switchover had any effect on the superstations was a mistake and has been discredited. DISH was actually using digital feeds of the supers even begore the switchover.

Most likely it has more to do with contracts than bandwidth.


No contracts are required to carry a superstation. Ther is also nothing in the law that prevents HD Carriage. I supect DISH is wconcerned about syndex claims if they did this---particularly in markets where there CW coverage is in SD,

It may be that Dish does not want to give CW in HD to markets that do not have it in HD as a courtesy to the sd only markets.

If i had cable my local cw isnt in hd anywhere. I just glad i can get cw as a superstation on dish. Worth the 2 bucks to me. Would hd be grate?? Yes if it was a perfect world.

Any word on CW 21 HD for birmingham Ala ?