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Well, I was composing a reply on the old thread as it was closed. So, I have copied it into here.

This controversy is amazing. IMHO, people are getting all worked up for the wrong reasons. I am sitting here LMAO at two different groups of people. So, lets step back and take another look at this issue.

The first group doesn't like gay themes. Fine. Here is a different way for you folks to look at the announcement. Voom has broadcast rights to a goup of movies that fit into a gay theme. Up to now, they have been scattered around in the Cinema 10 channels and other exclusives like Epics. Voom has made a decision to cluster all these movies together and put them on one channel. This decision will mostly clear "that content" out of the other channels, leaving more room for other things. So if you are not interested in gay content, you only have *ONE* channel to skip, instead of several. I know that I will always skip the Golf channel. If you do not like the content of a "themed" channel, you can safely lock it out/skip it without worrying that you are going to miss something. If you believe you fit into this group, you should consider this channel a "moral win". Of course, on the channels that Voom doesn't control, you are still going to get your Will and Grace, Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, and such, but the Voom Exclusives should be separated. How well will this gay content be concentrated? Well, think back over the last few months. How many horror flicks have shown up on any channel other that Monsters?

Second Group: Those people that were screaming to add InHD1/2 instead of this. This is about the cost of carrying a channel. InHD is a valuable asset, and its owners are doing their best to make sure that it will costly for Voom to add it to their listings. That is called business! SciFi channel, WGN, and all the other "proven basic channels" that people are begging for will cost serious money because they are "proven basic channels".
DevineHD is simply taking what content Rainbow already has paid for and concentrating it into a single channel. The Diva intros will add a little cost, but not much. The space was already there in the Cinema 10 channel. So, Voom has pulled off a "nearly zero cost" marketing win.

Will this attract new subscriptions? It should. Voom now "caters" to the Gay/Lesbian community by giving them their own channel. Marketing shows that the community:
has a little more money on average,
loyally pays attention to those that makes allowances for them,
is a lille more tech savvy and more likely to have HDTV in the first place.

Should it drive away customers? No. Only the "hard core" fanatical types would leave in "protest" over this. Nothing will ever please that type of person. Those that actually look at the line up changes and see that the content they don't want to see has gone from being scattered to being concentrated into one channel should appreciate that.

Logic Summary:
If you like the channel content, this is an improvement.
If you don't like the channel content, this is an improvement.
If you wanted something else, relax, this was free. They are still working on getting the other stuff soon.
Overall: A big marketing win for Voom with almost no cost.

Personally, I like the new channel, and will probably watch about 20% of its content. I hope they have Victor, Victoria. The Golf/Tennis/Weather/Auction/Gallery channels are the ones I personally will be locking out.

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Well I guess there is nothing more to say on the subject. The fact that Voom choose to cater to a controversial demographic was hopefully well thought out. I was always one to push Voom to my friends and family. Now I have to add a caveat to my sales pitch. This won't help IMHO but ultimately the quantity of HD is still the main selling point. What scares me is "Rainbow" gets the stigma of the gay satellite provider. I fear that may be too late.

-Chris


P.S. - Sorry if I got religious, ethnic, and or political...I thought this was America not a party.

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What's it gonna be called? RumpRanger 24/7? :haha

what if someone is looking to get into voom,dish,direct, and the salesman says well voom is the leader in hd ,but they cater to the gay user.none of us now how it will be looked upon.just looking over the first thread about this, i can see alot of people not liking the idea of it.if voom goes in a big ad blitz about it, then voom runs the risk of being known as the gay satellite company.we already have moov,fashion,auction,and few others i can not think of that are catering more on the gay side.i know if i did not currently have voom, and was searching for a service and a commercial came on and they were touting gay channels, i probably would not even look into it.there are alot more people like me than some in this forum would like to admit.now, knowing what voom is all about, i really like it , and adding a gay channel does not bother me because they gave up a cinema channel for it.

(wow- earlier today glancing through the forum this was about a 10 page thread, didin't have time to read it then).

So I guess a lot of the people who are against adding this channel don't subscribe to Showtime for the same reason? Showtime has a lot of gay and lesbian oriented programming also.

I really don't see what the big deal is about the Divine HD channel. If you don't want to watch it or have your kids see it, lock it out with the parental controls.

(wow- earlier today glancing through the forum this was about a 10 page thread, didin't have time to read it then).

So I guess a lot of the people who are against adding this channel don't subscribe to Showtime for the same reason? Showtime has a lot of gay and lesbian oriented programming also.

I really don't see what the big deal is about the Divine HD channel. If you don't want to watch it or have your kids see it, lock it out with the parental controls.

Your right about Showtime but it is a premium pay channel. I do subscribe to Showtime and don't watch the gay stuff. I'll do the same with "Divine". I think this would have been a better move if Voom wasn't hanging by a thread. I could be wrong but my gut tells me this a bad idea.(And its a big gut too) :)

-Chris

OH, but i bet it's a CUTE gut... sorry.. too much DIVINE... ;)

I can't believe so many people are so upset about this. This has nothing but neutral to good prospects for the company, and cost them and us nothing. Doesn't anyone realize that Rainbow media created WE? I think I'm going to cancel my service because they cater to WOMEN. eek... brings a chill up my spine..

I don't see how VOOM would be catering to gays by adding this channel. Do they cater to racing fans by having a racing channel, or golfers by having a golf channel, or to the fashion conscious by having a fashion channel? If there is something I want to watch on that channel, then I will watch it. If there is not, I won't, just as I do on all the other channels.

I subscribe to the VOOM Yahoo group and this subject is burying it. I cannot believe the irrational and intolerant beliefs that some of these people have, hoping VOOM will fail because they have a "gay" channel. I am sure if gays were disappear then these same people would be after the next group on their probably long list of undesireables.
Maybe VOOM could cater to these people and add an Intolerant channel showing films and programs that promote the virtues of being a bigot and not having any respect for beliefs that differ from their own. Now THAT would truly be a degenerate channel and I hope it would be a premium channel, so I would not have to pay for it.

what if someone is looking to get into voom,dish,direct, and the salesman says well voom is the leader in hd ,but they cater to the gay user.none of us now how it will be looked upon.just looking over the first thread about this, i can see alot of people not liking the idea of it.if voom goes in a big ad blitz about it, then voom runs the risk of being known as the gay satellite company.we already have moov,fashion,auction,and few others i can not think of that are catering more on the gay side.i know if i did not currently have voom, and was searching for a service and a commercial came on and they were touting gay channels, i probably would not even look into it.there are alot more people like me than some in this forum would like to admit.now, knowing what voom is all about, i really like it , and adding a gay channel does not bother me because they gave up a cinema channel for it.

If Voom is going to advertise Devine HD, you should assume they are going to advertise it in the proper forums. I would expect to see it in http://www.advocate.com, but not in main stream publications or commercials. Checking shows they already have an article on it. http://www.advocate.com/new_news.asp?ID=12568&sd=05/27/04 It talks more about Viacom's offering, covering Devine HD as an "also running". A little disapointing there.

Voom commercials have been showing up on my Comcast cable lately. They don't mention the Playboy HD, so I wouldn't expect them to mention Devine HD either. You need to remember that marketing people will go overboard in their attempts to be politically correct, so any advertising will be limited to its niche marketplace. Given the quality of salespeople's advice at a store like Best Buy/Computer City, do you really think they are even going to know about the channel?

I don't see how VOOM would be catering to gays by adding this channel. Do they cater to racing fans by having a racing channel, or golfers by having a golf channel, or to the fashion conscious by having a fashion channel? If there is something I want to watch on that channel, then I will watch it. If there is not, I won't, just as I do on all the other channels.

I subscribe to the VOOM Yahoo group and this subject is burying it. I cannot believe the irrational and intolerant beliefs that some of these people have, hoping VOOM will fail because they have a "gay" channel. I am sure if gays were disappear then these same people would be after the next group on their probably long list of undesireables.
Maybe VOOM could cater to these people and add an Intolerant channel showing films and programs that promote the virtues of being a bigot and not having any respect for beliefs that differ from their own. Now THAT would truly be a degenerate channel and I hope it would be a premium channel, so I would not have to pay for it.


Why are you so intolerant to my bigoted views...you bigotphobe.

-Chris

I would like to actually see the demographic on how many gays have HD home theaters. Voom just extended the $0 upfront offer until July 5th. The more subs the better. The more subs, the less chance that Voom will go under and we all lose the great HD that we are enjoying!!!

I'm angry because Voom is putting time, money, and energy into a channel that few will watch, instead of using that time, money and energy into getting channels that the general public as a whole will enjoy. ie. INHD1/2, HdNet, etc.

Another thing: What makes a movie a "gay" movie? Don't homosexuals enjoy the same movies everyone else does? If Voom picks out "gay" movies as well as they pick out Epics, it could be ugly.

If Voom picks out "gay" movies as well as they pick out Epics, it could be ugly.

Excellent point. :yes

You are not allowed to have an opinion on a matter. Please refrain from disagreeing with anything PC or we shall flame you. We are intolerant of anyone that doesn't see it our way.

Thank you, drive through please.

You are not allowed to have an opinion on a matter. Please refrain from disagreeing with anything PC or we shall flame you. We are intolerant of anyone that doesn't see it our way.

Thank you, drive through please.


What do you mean?

I don't think the issue is the movies. I'm sure plenty are actually great, but the addition of HDivas? 'cmon...here's a portion of the press release:

"Each film will be introduced by one of DIVINE's "HDivas," notable gay personalities who will put each film into the larger gay context for viewers. Everyone from celebrated drag queens to notable authors and directors will provide commentary on the films.

In addition to the introductions, "HDivas" will present original entertainment segments featuring cabaret-style performances. Celebrated drag queens like Hedda Lettuce, Miss Understood and Miss Bettie will entertain viewers. Personalities including: Paris is Burning director, Jenny Livingston, award-winning author Gary Indiana, and renowned Village Voice journalist Michael Musto will provide commentary on the films, plus stand alone entertainment segments."

Certainly a bit much for my taste.

I can't wait to see the reaction at Sears, some sales kid getting asked the question by some family guy with his wife an 2 kids along,"OK, Johnny you'll love animania, honey you'll love auction, I get ESPNHD, what do think will interest our older son Scott?". "Oh", he replies, "We have the divine network, that might work, it's our special gay and lesbian movie channel hosted by trannies".

That's gonna go over well isn't it? They have a hard enough time understanding the HD equipment for sale, now they get to spin this.

Here's the Press Release:
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040527/nyw173_2.html

I'm really disappointed. I had been looking forward to getting Voom for the last 2 weeks since I had ordered it. I called and spoke with 3 Voom reps and the floor manager. It's true... an all gay channel all the time beaming into your house for the kids to see.

I don't want to support a company who's trying to propagate the gay lifestyle. I don't want to have to explain to my toddler why 2 men are kissing. The installer was on his way to my house and I just called and cancelled.

I support traditional marriage/family strongly. The explosion of gay advocacy is going to do to us what it did to the Scandinavian countries - percent of people getting married there has dropped dramatically to 20%. If marriage loses it's meaning, what's the point in people getting married? It's the death of the family IMHO. No families = more dysfunctional kids = more crime.

I'm speaking with my wallet. Hopefully DirecTV will feel competition and add some more HD stations soon.

If this is true, it is terrible news. With all the other HD networks not accunted for on V*, this really sucks. What a waste of bandwidth!!

Old News. Good bye. Comments deleted.

Can't you just lock out that channel? It wouldn't surprise me if the VOOM receiver doesn't have that capability, but if it did, that's an easy solution.

The gay stuff is certainly something I don't want to see either. When it goes live on VOOM, I will try to lock it out if I can or just choose not to watch it if unable to block it. How do you feel about the Playboy channel? Given your strong moral values (which I applaud by the way), do you have any reservations about porn channels? Directv has a number of them and it wouldn't surprise me if they adopt some sort of gay channel as well. Your position on principal is admirable, but you may end up without any programming at all if you don't choose another tactic for avoiding certain programming contexts.

Who cares. VOOM also provides Playboy HD for kids to see and you don't see people complaining. Try to explain why two girls are kissing to your toddler. Its NOT going to be a GAY PORN channel people!! Please open your eyes to the world you live in. If you don't like the channel don't watch it. It's as simple as that.

Can't you just lock out that channel? It wouldn't surprise me if the VOOM receiver doesn't have that capability, but if it did, that's an easy solution.

The gay stuff is certainly something I don't want to see either. When it goes live on VOOM, I will try to lock it out if I can or just choose not to watch it if unable to block it. How do you feel about the Playboy channel? Given your strong moral values (which I applaud by the way), do you have any reservations about porn channels? Directv has a number of them and it wouldn't surprise me if they adopt some sort of gay channel as well. Your position on principal is admirable, but you may end up without any programming at all if you don't choose another tactic for avoiding certain programming contexts.
Playboy is a pay channel, this gay crap is not. Your getting it forced onto your TV set whether you want it or not.

I guess for me the difference between the payper Porn and Gay/Lesbian station, is the underlying effort to mainstream the gay-lifestyle as normal and healthy. The Divine station is going to be included in the basic voom.

I realize you can probably filter it out... but I just don't want to put my money into a company that's trying to expand a lifestyle that I think is unhealthy and bad for families.

These sites have a lot of good information:

http://www.family.org/

http://www.exodus-international.org/

yea, yea, yea :smug

So you don't like it. This discussion is tired and talking about it is not going to make it go away. We are all going to have to agree to disagree. Use the parental lock out on the stb and carry on with your life.

If it really bothers you that much, drop Voom and go get cable. You are not going to accomplish anything by continuing these posts. Other than waste bandwidth.

What really bothers me is the waste of bandwidth.

I don't know. I am not gay, but some of the movies announced I am actually looking forward to seeing again (Like Birdcage)

I have a feeling if they did not call it a gay channel but ran the same exact programming no one would be upset over it.

I don't know. I am not gay, but some of the movies announced I am actually looking forward to seeing again (Like Birdcage)

I have a feeling if they did not call it a gay channel but ran the same exact programming no one would be upset over it.I agree. In fact, VOOM and all other satellite and cable providers for that matter have been showing gay movies on various channels before.

Isolating gay movies on a single channel makes it easier for everyone:
for those who want to watch them, it makes it easier to find them;
for those who doesn't want to watch them, it makes it easier to skip, or even to lock them out...

I agree. In fact, VOOM and all other satellite and cable providers for that matter have been showing gay movies on various channels before.

Isolating gay movies on a single channel makes it easier for everyone:
for those who want to watch them, it makes it easier to find them;
for those who doesn't want to watch them, it makes it easier to skip, or even to lock them out...

Perhaps I'm ignorant here. What's a "gay movie" if we're not talking about gay porn? Does a "gay movie" refer to just really, really lame movies?

has anyone been to the Yahoo group lately? It's been overrun with this craziness.

There's only one problem I have with the supporting argument is that Viacom also has released an SD version of this channel (LOGO). So should I stop supporting Viacom's other channels because of this as well. Should I stop watching:


Showtime
CBS News
VH1
MTV
Comedy Central
TV Land


In addition should I stop watching Movies or supporting any products from:

Sony
MGM
Paramount
Warner Bros
New Line
Showtime
Lions Gate
Sundance
IFC Films


Should I also drop:

IFC
Bravo


Which provider is going to block all these for me so that I can only support them because they are doing the "right" thing.

I have seen quite a few movies in IFC and Bravo of this gendre. So please this argument is very vague.

Sean don't forget Disney since they had that Ellen show. :)

I guess for me the difference between the payper Porn and Gay/Lesbian station, is the underlying effort to mainstream the gay-lifestyle as normal and healthy.

I am wondering what is "unhealthy" about being gay and living like a gay. Since I am not gay, I really don't know. Care to elaborate?

I am wondering what is "unhealthy" about being gay and living like a gay. Since I am not gay, I really don't know. Care to elaborate?

No please let's not get into that since it will add discussion for another topic in another forum. Let's keep it within the programming focus.

I am wondering what is "unhealthy" about being gay and living like a gay. Since I am not gay, I really don't know. Care to elaborate?
Please lets not. This is a Satellite Forum not a lifestyle forum. If people want to discuss lifestyle choices please do it in our Chit Chat forum. :)

I said it before and I will say it again, as the owner of SatelliteGuys.US we don't care, if you are gay, stright, red, white, back, blue, brown, orange etc. We are just happy to help EVERYONE get those most from their satellite television service.

Thanks for your understanding.

I agree this isn't the place for a good moral discussion. I would refer anyone with questions to the links I provided above.

The explosion of gay advocacy is going to do to us what it did to the Scandinavian countries - percent of people getting married there has dropped dramatically to 20%.

Nonsense. See for example here: http://slate.msn.com/id/2100884/

Please lets not. This is a Satellite Forum not a lifestyle forum. If people want to discuss lifestyle choices please do it in our Chit Chat forum. :)

I said it before and I will say it again, as the owner of SatelliteGuys.US we don't care, if you are gay, stright, red, white, back, blue, brown, orange etc. We are just happy to help EVERYONE get those most from their satellite television service.

Thanks for your understanding.

Ok, I will oblige. Sorry Scott.

I'm angry because Voom is putting time, money, and energy into a channel that few will watch, instead of using that time, money and energy into getting channels that the general public as a whole will enjoy. ie. INHD1/2, HdNet, etc.

Why do you think that announcing this channel will delay getting inHD? And it's already been reported that Mark Cuban is not bringing HDNet to Voom a hundred times way before this announcement was even made.

Ok, I will oblige. Sorry Scott.
Don't worry about it. :)

Enjoy yourself at SatelliteGuys. :D

I really never watch the cin 10 ch's anyway and ch's like these will make me turn even faster away from them. I understand that you have to have something for everyone...but this is something thats no going to make VOOM better for the most part. I am sincerely disappointed in this decision. A wrong turn for VOOM.

I don't see how VOOM would be catering to gays by adding this channel. Do they cater to racing fans by having a racing channel, or golfers by having a golf channel, or to the fashion conscious by having a fashion channel? If there is something I want to watch on that channel, then I will watch it. If there is not, I won't, just as I do on all the other channels.

I subscribe to the VOOM Yahoo group and this subject is burying it. I cannot believe the irrational and intolerant beliefs that some of these people have, hoping VOOM will fail because they have a "gay" channel. I am sure if gays were disappear then these same people would be after the next group on their probably long list of undesireables.
Maybe VOOM could cater to these people and add an Intolerant channel showing films and programs that promote the virtues of being a bigot and not having any respect for beliefs that differ from their own. Now THAT would truly be a degenerate channel and I hope it would be a premium channel, so I would not have to pay for it.



I see the Pro-Queers here deleted the posts that disagreed to their beliefs, is that how these Straightaphobics run this Forum?

Divine is a mistake, and it will bury them fast. Good riddance!!!!!!!!!

Steve

Last night I got about 3 hours of sleep. I had been very excited about getting Voom - I kept on checking this forum, trying to plan how the install would go, trying to figure out the best place for the dish to be located, etc

I'm sorry if I come off as a wetblanket... It's been a long day.

Obviously everyone has their own references and their opinions are going to reflect those sources.

It's not the presence of homosexuality that's made me cancel my install. It's the feeling that it's being made more and more mainstream. I would be just as disappointed in Voom if they made the Playboy channel a mainstream channel. Perhaps Voom would consider moving that Diva channel to an option that you could choose, rather than requiring it in the basic setup.

It's kind of like the old story of the frog in the boiling water. Before you know it, you'll be cooked. I guess for me, it was just time to jump out of the pot. My hope is that they'll listen to their Christian customers and make some adjustments.

Last night I got about 3 hours of sleep. I had been very excited about getting Voom - I kept on checking this forum, trying to plan how the install would go, trying to figure out the best place for the dish to be located, etc

I'm sorry if I come off as a wetblanket... It's been a long day.

Obviously everyone has their own references and their opinions are going to reflect those sources.

It's not the presence of homosexuality that's made me cancel my install. It's the feeling that it's being made more and more mainstream. I would be just as disappointed in Voom if they made the Playboy channel a mainstream channel. Perhaps Voom would consider moving that Diva channel to an option that you could choose, rather than requiring it in the basic setup.

It's kind of like the old story of the frog in the boiling water. Before you know it, you'll be cooked. I guess for me, it was just time to jump out of the pot. My hope is that they'll listen to their Christian customers and make some adjustments.


I doubt they will listen to those with Morals, because the Rainbow Warriers are out of their closets and are proud, scary too, they dared to name their Queer channel "Divine" which is a slap in the face of the Almighty God which is Divine.

I'm canceling once I get my Directv setup back online,

VOOM I will come back if you remove Divine!!!!

Steve :mad:

Steve and savethefamily,
Voom has tons of channels that, I hope, you can find "clean". Why are you guys punishing yourselves by canceling Voom?

Steve and savethefamily,
Voom has tons of channels that, I hope, you can find "clean". Why are you guys punishing yourselves by canceling Voom?


Punishing? Maybe Voom with not receiving any more of my money, Directv will do just fine for now, I cannot suport a company that is so anti-family

Steve :mad:


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Punishing? Maybe Voom with not receiving any more of my money, Directv will do just fine for now, I cannot suport a company that is so anti-family

Steve :mad:

Hmm, there is ABC Family channel on Voom, there is Showtime Family, Starz Family, maybe a few more explicitly pro-family channels. Why don't we call Voom pro-family then? Because of one channel that we have not yet seen?

Hmm, there is ABC Family channel on Voom, there is Showtime Family, Starz Family, maybe a few more explicitly pro-family channels. Why don't we call Voom pro-family then? Because of one channel that we have not yet seen?

If there was an option for "Voomfamily" that excluded special focus on sexuality, I'd be signing up.

It's kind of like me walking up to someone on the street and saying, "Say, ya know I have sex with my wife!" No one cares, no one wants to have sexuality (heterosexuality or homosexuality or beastiality or fetishism, etc) pushed upon them. By specially designating one station "pro-homosexuality", it's like walking into our homes and saying, "Hey look at our way of life."

I agree with szman167, DirecTV will not be able to sit back and take a beating on the lack of viable HD.

It's also interesting to note that Directv has at least 4 Christian stations (The Church Channel, Trinity Broadcasting Network, The Word, World Harvest Television). Vooms' pushing homosexuality over anything like those stations. Voom is definitely setting themselves up to be labeled "Anti-Christian" and if anything that's likely to be bad for business in the long run.

Punishing? Maybe Voom with not receiving any more of my money, Directv will do just fine for now, I cannot suport a company that is so anti-family

Steve :mad:

anti-family?

Did you bitch when Playboy was added?
Direct TV has porn on it too. Your hero Rupert (I own half the media) Murdoch makes quite a bit off porn, is that family programming. Do you watch porn with your kids and grandparents?

So what a gay channel is coming, don't watch it.

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Punishing? Maybe Voom with not receiving any more of my money, Directv will do just fine for now, I cannot suport a company that is so anti-family

Steve :mad:
Well, I have some "bad" news for you. I called DirectTV. The CSR said that they are going to be carrying Viacom's LOGO channel. He could not give an exact date as to when it will go active though. Since a CSR answer is equal to an answer from a Magic 8 Ball, it is not cut into stone.

So, please just relax, lock out the channel, and stay with Voom.

hehe,

I just went to a bunch of porn sites and filled out the boxes that said notify me of new porn in my email box and guess what email I used?

Fun new hobby, good times!

It's also interesting to note that Directv has at least 4 Christian stations (The Church Channel, Trinity Broadcasting Network, The Word, World Harvest Television). Vooms' pushing homosexuality over anything like those stations. Voom is definitely setting themselves up to be labeled "Anti-Christian" and if anything that's likely to be bad for business in the long run.

Ok, are those 4 Christian stations on D* pay-per-view? Hell no, I have no choice and I have to pay for them! Should we say that D* is "pushing Christianity"?

hehe,

I just went to a bunch of porn sites and filled out the boxes that said notify me of new porn in my email box and guess what email I used?

Fun new hobby, good times!

Please tell us.

My wife is not gay and I'm sure she will watch this channel often.

Diversity is good for Voom. Get over it.

Hey Savethefamily-

Maybe this channel will convice "Savethegayfamily: to sign up for Voom!

LMAO

Comeon guys, havent you ever stopped to wonder that voom announces something like this and then a D* flamer just might create an account on the very same day and start flaming for fun? This bologna is getting old. I wouldnt even respond to this guy.

I just looked at the list of movies on the "Devine" announcement. Includes "The Producers" and "Priscilla, Queen of The Desert" two good films. If the films are good I'll watch.

Here's good news! DirecTV has announced they will be adding a "gay" channel. Dish will follow shorly. Cables will follow suit.



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Post inconsistant with the topic at hand have been deleted. Others have been edited.

No sleep for the Moderators around here tonight! :rolleyes:

Yup thats why we have the best moderation staff on the Internet!

I can't tell you how proud I am of these guys.

And for the record both Dish Network and DirecTV already have a Gay TV channel called HERE!

Im not gay but I am looking at seeing the Producers and Birdcage on VOOM. :)

If you check out the zap2it guide and view the programming on Cinema 10 beginning June 1st, you'll see the movies they show are far from controversial and not even in a league with Queer As Folk, The "L" Word or Six Feet Under.

This will all blow over soon.

If you check out the zap2it guide and view the programming on Cinema 10 beginning June 1st, you'll see the movies they show are far from controversial and not even in a league with Queer As Folk, The "L" Word or Six Feet Under.

This will all blow over soon.
I agree, as I said before if VOOM did not announce this way a gay channel but showed the same content that they have announced I don't think anyone would have noticed. :)

a waste if you ask me...

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds14598.html

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/05-26-2004/0002182599&EDATE=

thank god no one asked you- Voom basher..lol..

Well I'm not sure why a post listing some of the Christian channels on DirecTV would be deleted, but /shrug.

I do however agree with Scott, that if they had not publicized (announced) this that it would have flown under the radar. I don't see HERE! listed under DirecTV's channel list (or LOGO). If they're there as part of a package, as I've said before that wouldn't bother me.

The issue with Voom's move is that they're making this part of their central/basic package without giving the customer an option to bow out -- except by cancelling their subscription.

DIVINE (interesting choice of name also) will undoubtedly begin tame.

My issue really is that VOOM is producing this, not just providing it. I'm not going to drop DSL 'cause porn is on the net. But, if my DSL provider started making the porn for the net, then I would drop them. I understand VOOM's need to produce to get any HD content at the moment, but this might have been a bad move for a struggling company. Obviouslythey didn't think so. But I would have to think that taking the few million it cost to purchase licenses and produce these ridiculous "HDivas" (gotta admit that is a little overt) would have been better spent locking in some regional installers w/training that understand the OTA issue and eliminate those problems.
My personal belief is that they could get really excellent installs w/out all of the troubles we now have for the next 6 to 9 months they may have a chance. But most of the techno' geeks like us may have been used up in subscribiing so now the general public is going to have to deal with these installers. and OTA and STB issues may be too much for them.

What makes this channel truely distasteful is the inclusion of flagrantly gay Divas , crossdressers, drag queens and deviants. etc. I doubt the announcers are going to be Ellen degeneres or Rosie Odonnell who maintain a certain level of decorum on their past respective talk shows. I am sure these "Divas" will be over the top and it is disturbing. If Voom thinks this is acceptable material then I want my Howard Stern hosted movie network Now!!!!!!!

While I agree that its in your face.....it can be tuned out. The old saying if you dont like it dont watch it. Its been going on with people for years. Why they decided to go woth this ch is beyond me....maybe to be on the edge and provide something for everyone. But, if they were going to spend $$$ it would be better spent if we could get some decent movies on the cin 10 ch's. Hey, Birdcage was great ....I would stop and watch it again. But, do we have to have a whole ch based on that same premise. I just dont get it. They have so many other things that they could create and make better. Im a little disappointed but it surely wont make me cancel. But I always have the option to skip that ch if I dont like what is on. Kind of like the way I skip the Cin 10 ch's now.

People can tune out radio but didnt Stern get yanked by the FCC a few times?
But Voom can put these flaming Divas on my screen and you say change the channel. Now theres a double standard. Did Sterns Late night TV show get the ax too?

I think Ive stumbled upon what could be the killer app for Voom. Hire Stern!. Give him his own radio HD show but air it on HDTV. His own Movies HD network. ALL Stern 24/7!!! An In your face straight male, pro female lesbian/lesbian action, pro breast implant, degrading female network!

I have no problem with Stern. I listen to him sometimes when I can...and when I find his program to be not tasteful I turn to another station. I dont believe what is happening to Stern is right. There is a freedom of speech act that we have here in America. We should go by it. Which also gives us the right to never watch Divine or anything else that anyone finds to be offensive.

I have no problem with Stern. I listen to him sometimes when I can...and when I find his program to be not tasteful I turn to another station. I dont believe what is happening to Stern is right. There is a freedom of speech act that we have here in America. We should go by it. Which also gives us the right to never watch Divine or anything else that you find to be offensive.I like him too. WHy not a Stern Network from VOom. An exclusive. It would be a money maker for VOom. So far we are catering to the rich and gays. What about us ordinary males?

[QUOTE]I have no problem with Stern. I listen to him sometimes when I can...and when I find his program to be not tasteful I turn to another station. I dont believe what is happening to Stern is right. There is a freedom of speech act that we have here in America. We should go by it. [QUOTE]

My rights have been trampled on since I took my first breath and they will continue to be trampled on until I take my last. Stern is a crybaby and screaming freespeech is BS. He is broadcast over public airwaves which have certain decency rules and regulations. Hence the FCC, which enforces those rules and regulations. If he doesn't like those rules, tough! I have to follow rules and regulations mandated by OSHA that make my business less profitable. I wish I could say to my employees if you dont like lump it. Well I can, but then I'll have an OSHA audit on me faster than you could blink. I can't even get into my car without being threatend to "Click it or Ticket". I also believe we have a right to bear arms in this counry, but can you believe there are certain places where you can't get a permit, even if your an upstanding citizen? I could go on and on about "rights" but I hope you get my point. "Rights" have rules and if Stern don't like it then welcome to the club.

-Chris

I like him too. WHy not a Stern Network from VOom. An exclusive. It would be a money maker for VOom. So far we are catering to the rich and gays. What about us ordinary males?
Ladies and Gents-Howard Stern's new agent-Vurbano-LMAO

Well I'm not sure why a post listing some of the Christian channels on DirecTV would be deleted, but /shrug.
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The issue with Voom's move is that they're making this part of their central/basic package without giving the customer an option to bow out -- except by cancelling their subscription.
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savethefamily,
are those Christian channels on DirecTV part of their basic package? Yes, they are. Do I have an option not to pay for them if I disagree with their message and keep the rest of the basic package? Nope. So, what's the difference other than your personal believes?

Ladies and Gents-Howard Stern's new agent-Vurbano-LMAO
I think He'd add more viewers than HD gay divas.

I like him too. WHy not a Stern Network from VOom. An exclusive. It would be a money maker for VOom. So far we are catering to the rich and gays. What about us ordinary males?

I think that Stern is just plain boring. Over and over the same stuff about lesbians, porn and deviations. To me, he is as boring as those Christian channels. Just different subjects of obsession.

I think that Stern is just plain boring. Over and over the same stuff about lesbians, porn and deviations. To me, he is as boring as those Christian channels. Just different subjects of obsession.
you forgot large breast implants too

For those of you who are thinking about cancelling you sub or install to Voom because you don't want to pay money to a corporation who acknowledges homosexuality you should know:
Seventy-two percent, or 360, of the Fortune 500 companies included sexual orientation in their non-discrimination policies at the end of 2003
200 Fortune-listed companies, or 40 percent, offered domestic partner health insurance benefits
7,149 private employers and colleges and universities that provided health insurance coverage to employees’ domestic partners
Half of all states and the District of Columbia provided some level of protection from sexual orientation discrimination in the workplace last year Eleven states cover their public employees and 14 states extend protections to the private sector
At the end of 2003, 285 cities, counties and government organizations provided some level of protection against employment discrimination based on sexual orientation
I think you might find it hard to buy a car, travel on an airline, shop in the supermarket, got to the movies, watch tv, live in or travel to many states and cities if you were going to use the boycott to express your negative feelings about sexual orientation.

For those of you who are thinking about cancelling you sub or install to Voom because you don't want to pay money to a corporation who acknowledges homosexuality you should know:
Seventy-two percent, or 360, of the Fortune 500 companies included sexual orientation in their non-discrimination policies at the end of 2003
200 Fortune-listed companies, or 40 percent, offered domestic partner health insurance benefits
7,149 private employers and colleges and universities that provided health insurance coverage to employees’ domestic partners
Half of all states and the District of Columbia provided some level of protection from sexual orientation discrimination in the workplace last year Eleven states cover their public employees and 14 states extend protections to the private sector
At the end of 2003, 285 cities, counties and government organizations provided some level of protection against employment discrimination based on sexual orientation
I think you might find it hard to buy a car, travel on an airline, shop in the supermarket, got to the movies, watch tv, live in or travel to many states and cities if you were going to use the boycott to express your negative feelings about sexual orientation.

The following is ment as a joke... please take it lightly.

At least we're lucky 72% of Fortune 500 companies don't decide to jump off a cliff. Egads, what would happen then?!

It's one thing to discriminate against someone applying for a job based on sexual preference. It's quite another to pay to bring the gay-lifestyle into your home. My request (and I hope it's heard, because I'm otherwise excited about Voom) is that we be given the option NOT to pay for the homosexual channel -- AKA take it out of the basic package. If people don't like Christian stations (and apparently many don't) -- I wouldn't object to making that a separate option too.

STF...

You never complain about the Playboy Channel.

Why is that? Because you subsribe to it?

The following is ment as a joke... please take it lightly.

At least we're lucky 72% of Fortune 500 companies don't decide to jump off a cliff. Egads, what would happen then?!

It's one thing to discriminate against someone applying for a job based on sexual preference. It's quite another to pay to bring the gay-lifestyle into your home. My request (and I hope it's heard, because I'm otherwise excited about Voom) is that we be given the option NOT to pay for the homosexual channel -- AKA take it out of the basic package. If people don't like Christian stations (and apparently many don't) -- I wouldn't object to making that a separate option too.

Joke? Lightly? Discrimination at any level is not a joke and is not to be taken lightly! Our Constitution guarantees us all the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. In order for us to live in a free society we must all realize that comes with a certain responsibility; the responsibility to let those who we perceive as different from ourselves live freely. We also have the right to freedom of speech. In order for that to work everyone must be allowed to speak freely without being censored. With that right comes another responsibility; to allow everyone to speak, even those with whom we disagree. We are all entitled to our opinion about what someone else says and does, just read this forum, but none of us have the right to say someone else should not be heard. Before you ask Voom to treat a genre of content you dislike "differently" think about what that really means. It means you have usurped everyone else’s right to choose for themselves. Sorry but I will fight for my right to be offended every time rather that let someone else choose for me what I can be disgusted at whether I am paying for it or not!

Joke? Lightly? Discrimination at any level is not a joke and is not to be taken lightly! Our Constitution guarantees us all the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. In order for us to live in a free society we must all realize that comes with a certain responsibility; the responsibility to let those who we perceive as different from ourselves live freely. We also have the right to freedom of speech. In order for that to work everyone must be allowed to speak freely without being censored. With that right comes another responsibility; to allow everyone to speak, even those with whom we disagree. We are all entitled to our opinion about what someone else says and does, just read this forum, but none of us have the right to say someone else should not be heard. Before you ask Voom to treat a genre of content you dislike "differently" think about what that really means. It means you have usurped everyone else’s right to choose for themselves. Sorry but I will fight for my right to be offended every time rather that let someone else choose for me what I can be disgusted at whether I am paying for it or not!

Then, using your logic, the beastiality lifestyles (non-graphic) channel is OK. The courts have ruled it is not considered "cruelty" to animals, so you can't use the "as long as no one or living being is harmed" argument. Your quote allows this channel on basic packages.

And don't try to cop out by saying I'm comparing homosexuality to beastiality, b/c nowhere did I say that.

Then, using your logic, the beastiality lifestyles (non-graphic) channel is OK. The courts have ruled it is not considered "cruelty" to animals, so you can't use the "as long as no one or living being is harmed" argument. Your quote allows this channel on basic packages.

And don't try to cop out by saying I'm comparing homosexuality to beastiality, b/c nowhere did I say that.

You are absolutely right! There is no comparison between homosexuality and beastiality. I am glad we agree on that one! The only thing my logic talked about being "ok" was the individual's right to speek freely and the individual's right to be offended at someone else's free speech or in this case gay programming. I for one am glad Voom is offering some diversity in content and am looking forward to deciding for my self whether the mountain is a mole hill or not. The good news until Senator Joe McCarthy is re-elected you are still free to decide for yourself too!

Joke? Lightly? Discrimination at any level is not a joke and is not to be taken lightly! Our Constitution guarantees us all the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. In order for us to live in a free society we must all realize that comes with a certain responsibility; the responsibility to let those who we perceive as different from ourselves live freely. We also have the right to freedom of speech. In order for that to work everyone must be allowed to speak freely without being censored. With that right comes another responsibility; to allow everyone to speak, even those with whom we disagree. We are all entitled to our opinion about what someone else says and does, just read this forum, but none of us have the right to say someone else should not be heard. Before you ask Voom to treat a genre of content you dislike "differently" think about what that really means. It means you have usurped everyone else’s right to choose for themselves. Sorry but I will fight for my right to be offended every time rather that let someone else choose for me what I can be disgusted at whether I am paying for it or not!

Ok I've been trying hard to stay on topic, so I'll make this part brief...
So if I discriminate between having a friend over and having a murderer over, is that a bad thing? If someone's happiness includes murder, should we let them pursue that? It is not encroaching on someone's freedom of speech in limiting them from coming into your household, or at least not requiring the public to pay for someone else's agenda.

The only thing I'm asking for is to be given a choice NOT to pay for something I don't want to support or see. If the homosexual channel is important to you, I would have no issue with you paying for it and having it.

You are absolutely right! There is no comparison between homosexuality and beastiality. I am glad we agree on that one! The only thing my logic talked about being "ok" was the individual's right to speek freely and the individual's right to be offended at someone else's free speech or in this case gay programming. I for one am glad Voom is offering some diversity in content and am looking forward to deciding for my self whether the mountain is a mole hill or not. The good news until Senator Joe McCarthy is re-elected you are still free to decide for yourself too!

My assertion is that your argument is flawed because it is too permissive even for you.

"I don't care how offensive it is to anybody, free speech is free speech. Everyone has a right to be heard in a free society. There's nothing wrong with content you don't like, it's just different. Turn the channel."

My assertion is that using your argument, most speech or programming is allowed on basic television, including beastiality. Show me how your original post precludes this type of programming. You were trying to assert yourself as someone with an excellent command of rhetoric and reason. Please use your gifts so that we simpletons can be made to see the truth

STF-

You do have a choice and you don't seem to see it. Make that several choices. You can cancel Voom, now. Or you can never tune in a channel that will have movies you may have already seen.

Just like you can choose- to stop posting in this thread, trying to push your inane and close minded morals down everyone elses throat.

Don't go away mad, just go away.

My assertion is that your argument is flawed because it is too permissive even for you.

"I don't care how offensive it is to anybody, free speech is free speech. Everyone has a right to be heard in a free society. There's nothing wrong with content you don't like, it's just different. Turn the channel."

My assertion is that using your argument, most speech or programming is allowed on basic television, including beastiality. Show me how your original post precludes this type of programming. You were trying to assert yourself as someone with an excellent command of rhetoric and reason. Please use your gifts so that we simpletons can be made to see the truth

My idea of a Free America does not include the Mind Police or the Thought Patrol. No matter how pure or perverse someone else may think a program presented on Voom may be, I still reserve the right to make that determination for myself!

Why not make every single channel "a la carte" so that I can pick and choose what to watch? This is insane. There are channels out there that are consider "normal" by someone's standard and yet have lower principles. I wish I did not have to pay for any of the MTV channels since I consider them to be a "waste of bandwith" and it they are put in my basic package. I wish I did not have to pay for CNN, Oxygen, and others that I do not watch either because I don't agree with them. I wish I did not have to pay for 5 religous channels either on my basic package either.

This channel has not even launched and already we have pre-conceived ideas of what is going to be and how it is going to affect our society in general. Wow!

The fact that the channel has not even aired yet and some people have gone through the roof just because it is designated a "gay" channel, is insane.

1) Judging from the press release, it will feature movies with Gay themes ( the birdcage etc.) It will offer content type currently seen on HBO, Showtime and any number of other channels. It's simply consolidated in one place

2) It is not a gay porn channel.

3) the parental locks will allow anyone to lock it out if it offends them. Do you allow your children unsupervised acess to the other cinema 10 channels? there is nudity, violence and content unsuitable for children shown here and it is part of the Standard package.

Quite honestly I think there will probably be several good movies to watch there. The Birdcage for one. Hank Azaria is hilarious in it.

Why not make every single channel "a la carte" so that I can pick and choose what to watch? This is insane. There are channels out there that are consider "normal" by someone's standard and yet have lower principles. I wish I did not have to pay for any of the MTV channels since I consider them to be a "waste of bandwith" and it they are put in my basic package. I wish I did not have to pay for CNN, Oxygen, and others that I do not watch either because I don't agree with them. I wish I did not have to pay for 5 religous channels either on my basic package either.

This channel has not even launched and already we have pre-conceived ideas of what is going to be and how it is going to affect our society in general. Wow!

The rationale to make the homosexual channel a la carte is because whether or not you like it, the fact is that many people find homosexuality undesirable and don't want to pay to spread it into normalcy.

Sean, if you're one of the people who find Christianity offensive, then feel free to push for that to be separated also. However as far as I know, Voom doesn't have any Christian channels to separate. (Why would that be one might ask?)

The pre-conceived notions of the channel emanate from the press release.

I realize you can use parental controls to block kids from watching the channel - but then you are still paying to support something that many people find unnatural (the Bible uses stronger words). Secondly, I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that even if you block the channel from being viewed, you can't block it from being shown on the guide.

The big question is - why would anyone care if *I* don't receive the gay channel? Why are some people so amazingly incensed that many people don't want to embrace the gay lifestyle? I'm not advocating destruction of all gay programming - I'm just asking to be given a choice not to be part of it. What's wrong with that?

... Do you allow your children unsupervised acess to the other cinema 10 channels? there is nudity, violence and content unsuitable for children shown here and it is part of the Standard package.
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My kids are grownups, but I still don't understand why in our society bloody, violent movies ala Arnold or Segal showing mindless killings can be PG13 but showing a naked female breast for 2 seconds is equivalent to at least R rating (and still widely available on regular channels).

My kids are grownups, but I still don't understand why in our society bloody, violent movies ala Arnold or Segal showing mindless killings can be PG13 but showing a naked female breast for 2 seconds is equivalent to at least R rating (and still widely available on regular channels).
Puritanical ancenstory more than anything........Thank You Pilgrims-lol

Sean, if you're one of the people who find Christianity offensive, then feel free to push for that to be separated also. However as far as I know, Voom doesn't have any Christian channels to separate. (Why would that be one might ask?)

Not yet but D*, E* and every single cable company does. I still have cable and Dish and have to pay for them as well. I have nothing against them at all and I could not careless if any make it to VOOM. My point is that you guys are making this the end of the United States Society when it is not. There are worse things that are happening every day around you and yet we spend time talking about a single channel which has yet to air.

Overblown by this -- I am not -- But it seems like a lot of you are taking it to heart when you can simply lock the channel or change the channel and throw away the key and forget about it. This is what I do with my kids. I locked away every single program that is not rated G on their satellite box. Set it and forget it. In reality, you and I maybe paying cents for this channel. I guess we'll keep throwing ideas until we run out words... :) that's life... C'est la vie...

The big question is - why would anyone care if *I* don't receive the gay channel? Why are some people so amazingly incensed that many people don't want to embrace the gay lifestyle? I'm not advocating destruction of all gay programming - I'm just asking to be given a choice not to be part of it. What's wrong with that?

1 to 3 percent of people are homosexual. 80% of people go to church. When Voom has a channel set aside for the first group, but not the second group, doesn't that raise some legitimate questions?

facts found here (http://www.family.org/cforum/fosi/homosexuality/maf/a0028248.cfm)

Just wondring if there is a christian HD channel avaliable?
Any religious HD channel?
I know there are SD channels available, but HD?

1 to 3 percent of people are homosexual. 80% of people go to church. When Voom has a channel set aside for the first group, but not the second group, doesn't that raise some legitimate questions?

I have two issues with your protesting.
1) Did you look (my) the second post in this thread? I said that, In My Humble Opinion, Voom is going to be doing a sweep process to move much, maybe all, of the homosexual content of its Voom owned channels into just one channel. Looking at channel lineups, Ziggy Stardust is being moved from Epics to Devine. Yeah. I guessed right. My expectatitions are that they will continue to shuffle all the controverisial content into this one channel, just so you can lock it out and feel better. Now, I don't know why Bette Midler got thrown in there. You can lock it out. I on the other hand will be watching both shows.

2) Which church do you give a channel to? Catholic, Protestants, Baptists, Methodist, Islam? Each think they have the best answer to the ultimate question. They do not coexist nicely. My mother happens to be an ordained minister, so I have been through these arguements many times. Please, I want a serious answer on this one.

Since I live in Detroit, I have to consider Islam. I live 20 minutes from the largest population of Arabs in the western hemisphere. I regularly stop at grocery stores and gas stations where there magazine/newpaper rack does not contain an english publication. Some are christian arabs, some are islamic. That is a way of life here.

I have two issues with your protesting.
12) Which church do you give a channel to? Catholic, Protestants, Baptists, Methodist, Islam? Each think they have the best answer to the ultimate question. They do not coexist nicely. My mother happens to be an ordained minister, so I have been through these arguements many times. Please, I want a serious answer on this one.

Well from a business standpoint to me it would make sense to look at your customer population and give programming proportional to the customer demographics. Perhaps it would also depend on which religions are willing to provide the programming to fill the channels.

Your question suggests that there can be only one church channel - of course that's not the case. Even if that had to be the situation different blocks of the day could be allocated to different religions. (8-10 Catholics, 10-12 Baptists, etc etc).

But still the basic question remains the same - why make a channel for the 1-3% of the population and NOT for ANY of the religions you listed? To me it suggests an agenda. :shocked

Still all that is beyond the point. Why not give the customer an option to tailor at least some of his/her interests to what he/she's going to pay for? You need not go crazy with every single channel - but a few more options than 2 would be nice.

Why force a channel with a focus that is against the beliefs of nearly every major established religion on people without an option to opt out? To me it doesn't even make basic business sense (especially when some of the sites out there are talking about boycotts).

It is my understanding that you have cancelled your instilation of Voom. As far as adjendas go, it appears you have one because you are still posting. It is one channel out of 100 channels that voom offers. You do have the ability to opt out, and use your parental control. I will look forward to the channel launching so we can discuss something more interesting like new channels and upgrades. I have several several friends that will be joining Voom, and they are the least concerned over one channel.

It is my understanding that you have cancelled your instilation of Voom. As far as adjendas go, it appears you have one because you are still posting. It is one channel out of 100 channels that voom offers. You do have the ability to opt out, and use your parental control. I will look forward to the channel launching so we can discuss something more interesting like new channels and upgrades. I have several several friends that will be joining Voom, and they are the least concerned over one channel.

My agenda is simple and I've stated it several times. I'd like to get Voom. I'd like to get Voom WITHOUT the homosexual focus channel. Again, why is that such a bad thing?