To Me Getting HDNET or InHD is a moot point if...

Voom can go out and acquire similar content of decent quality both picture-wise and genre-wise. It seems to me that everyone would just die for these channels because they can see what content those channels already have that isn't currently available elsewhere. However, I think its just as feasible that Voom adds content and sticks it on their own exclusive channels. Really when you think about it HDNet/InHd seem to be showing almost the exact same thing on its 4 channels, that Voom is showing spread out over 21 channels. I know there are some exceptions such as MLB, NHL, Bikini Destinations, but I think its more likely that Voom picks up hockey games, grabs a few baseball games, and films "G-String Rendezvous" than it is they grab HDnet/InHD.

Couldn't it be possible that the asking price for carrying HDnet/InHD was so high that Voom decided it would rather go out and grab its own similar content for less so that maybe, just maybe once their quality is similar to those 2 groups they could sell their stations for cash as well?

just a thought. I want more HD now, whatever it is, just like anyone else, but I don't think I could fault Voom for making a business decision that may be helping to keep their service alive so I can enjoy it longer! I'm trying hard to be patient.

I think it is becoming increasingly important that Voom "brand" its exclusive channels by name, so that consumers have some way to relate to each channel's content witout having to see whats actually on. It is helpful I think to have a naming system so people know what to expect. The generic names on the Cinema1-10 series is about the dumbest thing I have heard of. I'm so glad they are beginning to group genres and name the channels appropriately (even if this did result in DivineHD :p )

When people think HDnet or InHD they think lots of good quality HD content. Voom needs to make it so that when you think about their exclusives you think "good quality HD content in genre X". X being the genre grouping of course. I think spreading the content out over specific channels is better than 1-2 stations because maybe you can strike an interest with a customer when they hear "Oh RaveHD is a music channel with concerts, I love that" OR "Oh EpicsHD shows classic epic movies, I'm such a fan of that!" These positive responses hopefully score points for Voom in the "I Gotta Have It" category.

The only criticism of this strategy is that Voom has to gain more mainstream content that appeals to the most people which will generate the most subs, AND we really don't have that mainstream content yet.

To Me Getting HDNET or InHD is a moot point if...

Really when you think about it HDNet/InHd seem to be showing almost the exact same thing on its 4 channels, that Voom is showing spread out over 21 channels.
nope sorry I dont see it. what channel shows the sports content? I dont count vacation or exercise activities as sports.


I know there are some exceptions such as MLB, NHL, Bikini Destinations, but I think its more likely that Voom picks up hockey games, grabs a few baseball games, and films "G-String Rendezvous" than it is they grab HDnet/InHD.
I doubt it, I dont think MLB, Boxing or MLS would want the limited exposure of only being seen by 10-20k Voom subscribers. Just as you dont see INHD on only one cable provider or hdnet on only one DBS. Voom simply doesnt have enough subs. Im not sure the exposure would even be enough for the ailing NHL. But maybe.

You have a point there about HDNet and INHD. I used to get HDNet when I was with D*, but dropped it after they grouped it with the HD package and started charging extra. It had great picture quality, and some of the content was good. But it took a very quirky, grab-bag approach to programming. HDNet would typically have some documentary about trains, followed by a travelogue, then a soccer or hockey game, followed by a rerun of Hogan's Heroes. Before they started HDNet Movies as a separate channel, they might show a movie. It was nice sometimes, but I never knew whether what was going to be on would be something I wanted to see. It struck me as a throwback to what I imagine TV must have been like in the 40s and 50s, when genre-specific channels didn't exist yet, and people were so excited to have TV that they would watch whatever was on.

Voom could definitely do with the high-quality professional sports that HDNet and INHD have. But I like having the concerts, the art documentaries, the movies, etc., separated into different channels. Voom has a ways to go on the content, but I like the direction they are moving in.

nope sorry I dont see it. what channel shows the sports content? I dont count vacation or exercise activities as sports.


I doubt it, I dont think MLB, Boxing or MLS would want the limited exposure of only being seen by 10-20k Voom subscribers. Just as you dont see INHD on only one cable provider or hdnet on only one DBS. Voom simply doesnt have enough subs. Im not sure the exposure would even be enough for the ailing NHL. But maybe.

So what your saying is that you believe that Voom will not get HDnet/InHD nor will it acquire its own content? Should I translate that as Voom is just going to roll over and die? :P:P

To me the real moot point is the cinema channels. What happens when TNT learns how to do HD? and AMCHD comes, along with TMCHD(turner movie classics)? They already have bravohd and encorehd. the more these channels are added the more irrelevant cinema 10 becomes and the more top heavy with movies voom appears with miniscule popular sports content.

So what your saying is that you believe that Voom will not get HDnet/InHD nor will it acquire its own content? Should I translate that as Voom is just going to roll over and die? :P:P
no what I am saying is that IMO voom will not be able to sign contracts to air major league sports due to its limited distribution base. The exposure for major league sports would be too small to be attractive and the cost for voom too high due to the small sub base. Voom does have the opportunity to get hdnet or inhd. So no one can rule that out entirely. I cannot predict the future, i dont think you will ever stop seeing content from rainbow1. Because if voom fails , charlie would love to buy it for bandwidth I would guess. You would just be paying your bill to E*.

I don't have inHD or HDNet. How many live sporting events per week do they average?

It doesn't do any good for Voom to get "similar content" on their own channels - if what I want to watch is on HDNet or INHD.

For example, last night I think HDNet broadcast the US National Team (soccer) game vs. Honduras.

Yes, I LOOOOOOOOVE the fact that Voom has soccer on Worldsport - but I wanted to see the game HDNet was broadcasting.

To me, it's crucial that VOOM add these channels.

I don't have inHD or HDNet. How many live sporting events per week do they average?not as many as espnhd but its not bad considering that everything you see will be HD and that these are not sports networks. Check out their schedules. IMO when you have next to nothing of something, getting any of it is great! Also the quality is impeccable at 1080i. Much nicer than espnhd's material.

www.hd.net (http://www.hd.net)

www.inhd.com (http://www.inhd.com/)

I don't have inHD or HDNet. How many live sporting events per week do they average?

me either but looking at the program schedule on their website for sports (http://www.inhd.com/sportsSchedule/sportsSchedules.jsp) I think I counted 11 events from June 3 to June 17... about half were NCAA baseball, nearly half MLB, and there was 1 or 2 MLS thrown in there.

It doesn't do any good for Voom to get "similar content" on their own channels - if what I want to watch is on HDNet or INHD.

For example, last night I think HDNet broadcast the US National Team (soccer) game vs. Honduras.

Yes, I LOOOOOOOOVE the fact that Voom has soccer on Worldsport - but I wanted to see the game HDNet was broadcasting.

To me, it's crucial that VOOM add these channels.


I was more referring to Voom getting ahold of MLB, NHL, soccer, etc just like HDNet/InHD but just not the same exact games. As far as I know those 2 do not have exclusive contracts, and in all sports there is much more room for more HD broadcasts.

What I did not mean was InHd has MLB, so Voom gets Cuban league baseball, or similarly HDNet gets NHL, while Voom does minor league hockey.

I was more referring to Voom getting ahold of MLB, NHL, soccer, etc just like HDNet/InHD but just not the same exact games. As far as I know those 2 do not have exclusive contracts, and in all sports there is much more room for more HD broadcasts.

What I did not mean was InHd has MLB, so Voom gets Cuban league baseball, or similarly HDNet gets NHL, while Voom does minor league hockey.

I know what you meant - but it still doesn't help if HDNet has the "exact" game I want to see and Voom doesn't.

me either but looking at the program schedule on their website for sports (http://www.inhd.com/sportsSchedule/sportsSchedules.jsp) I think I counted 11 events from June 3 to June 17... about half were NCAA baseball, nearly half MLB, and there was 1 or 2 MLS thrown in there.
3 MLB baseball games a week is 3 times as many as ESPN. For those of us whose RSN isn't HD capable, this would be really nice. Plus, InHD has done early round coverage of PGA events this year. For those of us whose CBS and ABC are total piece of crap losers (I'm sorry, it's my problem, I'll learn to live with it) who don't do HD, that's would also be nice. I want InHD because it has professional sports. Voom will NEVER get exclusive rights to a major professional sport. What D* did with the NFL should be unconstitutional . . . (again, my problem).

I know what you meant - but it still doesn't help if HDNet has the "exact" game I want to see and Voom doesn't.

Your argument goes both ways, what if in the next instance Voom is playing the game that HDNet does not have that you desperately want to see?

If HDNet was soo crucial to you that you left Voom because they did not acquire it, then you would be missing out on the Voom exclusive.

If you are saying you are sticking with Voom no matter if they get HDNet or not then I see your point. You really would need HDnet to see ALL available content. I was aiming this thread more at people who will be dumping Voom if HDNet or InHD does not appear soon.

me either but looking at the program schedule on their website for sports (http://www.inhd.com/sportsSchedule/sportsSchedules.jsp) I think I counted 11 events from June 3 to June 17... about half were NCAA baseball, nearly half MLB, and there was 1 or 2 MLS thrown in there.
You do realize that that is better than espnhd? 11 out of 14days, with espnhd you typically wait a day or more between HD events.

Voom will NEVER get exclusive rights to a major professional sport.

I'm not talking exclusive rights ala D*. I'm talking about rights in general. Clearly, InHd does not have exclusive rights to all MLB baseball games, what they do have is right to AIR some games. Voom could do the same. There's 10+ MLB games everyday I bet, I doubt all of them are being shown somewhere, and certainly not all in HD.


Everyone seems to be forgetting that this argument was hinged on the GIANT IF that Voom can get ahold of some other content. I was merely trying to point out that there are other options and HDNet/InHD are not the end all of HD sporting events.

You do realize that that is better than espnhd? 11 out of 14days, with espnhd you typically wait a day or more between HD events.

I never said what InHd is doing isnt good or desirable. And I also never made any comparison to ESPN-HD. Clearly, ESPN is at best the SD sports leader, and in no way is tops at HD.

you really see voom commiting HD trucks costing millions and numerous cameras costing 150k a piece to cover HD MLS, baseball, etc all accross the country? You have to make a commitment even before they will manufacturer a truck for renting, dont you? I just dont see voom having the bucks, hell they dont even have enough credit to spin off yet do they? Covering these sporting events is very expensive. And then there is a learing curve.

I'm not talking exclusive rights ala D*. I'm talking about rights in general. Clearly, InHd does not have exclusive rights to all MLB baseball games, what they do have is right to AIR some games. Voom could do the same. There's 10+ MLB games everyday I bet, I doubt all of them are being shown somewhere, and certainly not all in HD.


Everyone seems to be forgetting that this argument was hinged on the GIANT IF that Voom can get ahold of some other content. I was merely trying to point out that there are other options and HDNet/InHD are not the end all of HD sporting events.

I guess I got wrapped up in the INHD debate w/o addressing your earlier post. Voom hasn't shown a willingness so far to spend money on quality exclusive content. I think this goes hand in hand to extending the no committment offer. It is possible Voom could add premium content like INHD, but I doubt it. I would think it'd be a better value to just aquire carriage of InHD.

you really see voom commiting HD trucks costing millions and numerous cameras costing 150k a piece to cover HD sporting events accross the country? You have to make a commitment even before they will manufacturer a truck for renting, dont you? I just dont see voom having the bucks, hell they dont even have enough credit to spin off yet do they? Covering these sporting events is very expensive. And then there is a learing curve.

I guess that is the great debate. Can they? Will they? Should they? Only time will answer the first 2 questions. I'm merely postulating that the answer to the 3rd question is a resounding YES.

You can't tell me if they had the content you wouldn't watch it. You don't think others feel the same?

I guess that is the great debate. Can they? Will they? Should they? Only time will answer the first 2 questions. I'm merely postulating that the answer to the 3rd question is a resounding YES.

You can't tell me if they had the content you wouldn't watch it. You don't think others feel the same?O hell yes id watch it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But I think theres a big cost difference in renting a truck and covering a couple of hockey games a week as opposed to trying to cover 11 events or so in 14 days as someone indicated earlier that inhd is doing from june 3 -17. I think CYUHNKE is right. They would be better off aquiring inhd or hdnet

I have seen alot of HDNET and its some of the best HD out there. That beng said....I still didnt watch it much. INHD I have never seen and I would like VOOM to add INHD 1 and 2 rather than take on trying to compete with these ch's. I think VOOM has too many exclusive ch's right now and they are a little bit over their head with it. Theres no way they could fill all of the exclusive ch's with programming everyday that doesnt repeat itself.....or isnt like MOOV . Its a big nut to chew all of those exclusive ch's being new at once. I read somewhere in these forums that VOOM should have started with a smaller amount of exclusives and then developed the programming on those exclusives and then expanded. I would like INHD but Im also interested in the new Equator HD ch starting soon.

They would be better off aquiring inhd or hdnet

Better off? Of Course!
Feasible? Highly Questionable
Alternate Options? Yes
Feasibility Of Alternate? Just As Questionable
Love HD? Yes
Need More HD? Yes, now please.
Leave Voom Over It? No


Summary of my argument? Yes :)

I have seen alot of HDNET and its some of the best HD out there. That beng said....I still didnt watch it much. INHD I have never seen and I would like VOOM to add INHD 1 and 2 rather than take on trying to compete with these ch's. I think VOOM has too many exclusive ch's right now and they are a little bit over their head with it. Theres no way they could fill all of the exclusive ch's with programming everyday that doesnt repeat itself.....or isnt like MOOV . Its a big nut to chew all of those exclusive ch's being new at once. I read somewhere in these forums that VOOM should have started with a smaller amount of exclusives and then developed the programming on those exclusives and then expanded. I would like INHD but Im also interested in the new Equator HD ch starting soon.I agree with you. But dont you fear that this equator channel is likely the same problem as the rest? And that say 3 channels could be combined into one (rush, rave, equator) and might actually become something that would be coveted by other providers?

I don't understand this debate. Why would VOOM want to compete directly against ESPN, TNT, etc on getting sport coverage when it already carry those channels? Also, if/when inHD ends the "only on cable" crap why wouldn't VOOM carry it?

Your argument goes both ways, what if in the next instance Voom is playing the game that HDNet does not have that you desperately want to see?

If HDNet was soo crucial to you that you left Voom because they did not acquire it, then you would be missing out on the Voom exclusive.

If you are saying you are sticking with Voom no matter if they get HDNet or not then I see your point. You really would need HDnet to see ALL available content. I was aiming this thread more at people who will be dumping Voom if HDNet or InHD does not appear soon.


True - and I'll never leave Voom because of WorldsportHD. I'm just saying that I'm considering getting Dish's HD package A La Carte (or maybe even D*TV so I also get ST) to supplement my Voom subscription - but that's $15/mo (or more) that I'd rather go towards Voom programming.

I dont think voom would or could compete against espnhd. I think its a possibility they might be able to land some college baseball or NHL games. But never compete. ANd I think it would be better to get inhd. I dont really think we are disagreeing here.

ANd I think it would be better to get inhd.
Agree. And the only barrier I can possibly think of is the "only on cable" crap. Now, assuming that the AVSFourum guys are right (in that not such barrier exists anymore) then I don't see why VOOM wouldn't get such channel, independently of whether or not D* and/or E* also do it.

Agree. And the only barrier I can possibly think of is the "only on cable" crap. Now, assuming that the AVSFourum guys are right (in that not such barrier exists anymore) then I don't see why VOOM wouldn't get such channel, independently of whether or not D* and/or E* also do it.Walter theres something strange going on about the negotiations with INHD. Dont you think? very contridictory views out there about inhd wanting to be on dbs (i hear it all over AVS) vs this "only on cable" excuse I keep hearing on this forum. The fact that INHD was in the lineup when voom launched yet still no contract? Dont you feel that if its over, if negotiations have failed, that the users deserve a reason why? 6 months is a long time dont you think? too still be in limbo.

Walter theres something strange going on about the negotiations with INHD. Dont you think? very contridictory views out there about inhd wanting to be on dbs (i hear it all over AVS) vs this "only on cable" excuse I keep hearing on this forum. The fact that INHD was in the lineup when voom launched yet still no contract? Dont you feel that if its over, if negotiations have failed, that the users deserve a reason why? 6 months is a long time dont you think? too still be in limbo.
My guess is that the initial negotiations (when VOOM started) failed because the cables companies opposed. Perhaps, at some point inHD decided to cut the "only on cable" crap and there was a 2nd round of negotiations (very recently or still on progress) and that time they reached an agreement. The AVSForum rumors and the fact that VOOM saved the last 2 HD channel slots make me believe we'll get inHD soon :)

My guess is that the initial negotiations (when VOOM started) failed because the cables companies opposed. Perhaps, at some point inHD decided to cut the "only on cable" crap and there was a 2nd round of negotiations (very recently or still on progress) and that time they reached an agreement. The AVSForum rumors and the fact that VOOM saved the last 2 HD channel slots make me believe we'll get inHD soon :)
Wow, I wish I could stay as positive about it as you.

Wow, I wish I could stay as positive about it as you.
Well, think about it. Wouldn't it be easier for VOOM to have used the 2 available HD channels for DivineHD and EquatorHD and then say "we have 39 HD channels" For some reason, they need those 2 channels before the additional capacity is available (October). We know that HDNet is not coming so what else could it be?

Well, think about it. Wouldn't it be easier for VOOM to have used the 2 available HD channels for DivineHD and EquatorHD and then say "we have 39 HD channels" For some reason, they need those 2 channels before the additional capacity is available (October). We know that HDNet is not coming so what else could it be?
wealthhd, and i think there would be a revolt if they tried do disguise more content starved exclusives as anything else but part of the 21 exclusives.

My first impression of Voom's exclusive channels was: too little content spread out on too many channels. This has the perverse effect of making you feel like there's less than nothing on worth watching. When I was on D*, I had like 4 HD channels to flip through, and if I found nothing to interest me, I could get on with my life. With Voom, I have a lot more channels to flip through, and when I still find nothing to interest me, I'm left feeling even worse. I know that's irrational, but I think Voom is failing on understanding viewers' psychology.

I would definitely consolidate ultra and gallery and auction into one channel.

(Btw: Auction? who the *^&! thought this was a good idea? Whate the hell was the thought process here? Ooh, let's make a channel showing pricey collectible 99.9% of the populace wouldn't be interested in, much less afford or buy. Oh and I got news for them: those remaining 0.1% don't watch TV anyway! They're too busy getting their hair done and shopping. If they had an HDTV, it'd be just a plasma they hang somewhere strictly for looks).

Sorry for ranting, but it bugs the hell out of me b/c it seems that Voom cares more about touting "21 exclusive channels" than actually giving viewers something of value. Remember, you can actually do worse than having a channel few or no one watches: by having a channel that makes the viewers say "why am I paying for this ****?" Cable is filled with channels most people don't care about, but you cannot have this with HD because 1) people have higher expectations; 2) it cost more to produce HD and 3) HD uses more bandwidth.

Mark Cuban spends 100M and counting on his Hdnet venture. And it took hdnet a long time to get to where it is. Does Voom plan on duplicating that? They'll burn through their capital and fold first before they can get enough subs. Or does Voom only want to make itself attractive enough for a buyout?

If Voom cares about its customers, it must acquite acquire acquire while it shores up its proprietary content. If it doesn't have enough bandwidth NOW, it must eat its own words and reduce the 21 channels to make room. Once it goes mpeg4 and the content improves, it can spin the channels back out. Even if it can't make any deal, reduce the 21 channels anyway so the viewers won't think it's "wasting" the bandwidth.

I would definitely consolidate ultra and gallery and auction into one channel.

If Voom cares about its customers, it must acquite acquire acquire while it shores up its proprietary content. If it doesn't have enough bandwidth NOW, it must eat its own words and reduce the 21 channels to make room.

How genius would it be if they combined ultra/gallery/auction into one channel, and then gave us InHD1/2, WealthTv, AND AMC-HD.

Man what a dream come true! I think at that point all the bases would be covered.

Let's think about this ...

Voom has room for 39HD channels. Right now, they're only using 37 - and you're asking them to consolidate channels? WHY!??

I'd much rather have Auction, Gallery, and Ultra all spread out so there's a better chance something worth watching is on.

When they release the DVR or when they run out of capacity and there are new channels to add - THEN start consolidating (or expand capacity).

Until then, I enjoy my channel flipping - as there's always SOMETHING in HD that is worth checking out. If I only had 4 channels to flip through, I think I would go insane. Thank you VOOM for 21 extra commercial-free eye-catching HD channels. ;)

Let's think about this ...

Voom has room for 39HD channels. Right now, they're only using 37 - and you're asking them to consolidate channels? WHY!??


WHYYYYY?

the argument is this: We have room for 2 more channels. Currently, there are 5 HD channels broadcasting that could be added (HDnets, InHDs, WealthTV) and one that I believe is supposed to be coming soon (AMC-HD). Some of us feel as though Auction/Ultra/Gallery are targeted to similar viewers, and don't have enough individual content to really justify 3 separate stations. A reduction of 3 channels to 1 frees up an additional 2 stations. 2 + 2 = 4. Since we all suspect HDNets will not becoming at all, or at the least not soon, it means that the InHDs, WealthTV, and AMC-HD (when available) could be added. For some of us this would be a more appealing option than only adding 2 new stations.

i would combine worldsport and rush too.

If VOOM does not have any new channels to broadcast (which we have to assume is the case, but we'll never know for sure), then combining is a moot point. There's no sense in sitting here fussing over it with empty slots available. Besides, they're never going to lower the number of exclusive HD channels below 21 anyway. Marketing painted them into a corner by fixating on the quantity of channels rather than the quality. It's pretty typical in large companies that the marketing depts always cause huge headaches in operations. I've seen it many times in large companies that I've worked for.

Rather than focus on a particular channel or two, we should be more worried about whether VOOM's capacity to deliver HD content stays ahead of the growth curve of available HD programming (flat as it is at the moment). I'm talking about over the long haul though, not just the here and now. That to me is a much more interesting subject than all this fuss about making room for one or two channels. VOOM will soon have more sat capacity as well as the new compression scheme. That'll get us past the current bump in the road. How far in the future is this fix good for? What is the growth rate of HD programming compared to the growth rate of VOOM's capacity to deliver it?

Maybe thinking about the big picture a bit will help us find a little patience for dealing with these smaller issues. At least they might seem smaller given a different perspective. :)

"Maybe thinking about the big picture a bit will help us find a little patience for dealing with these smaller issues. At least they might seem smaller given a different perspective."

I'll be more willing to think about "the long haul" and "the big picture" if I weren't paying real dollars in the short term NOW :)

I mean, isn't the reason we're with Voom they're (supposedly) the HD leader now, as opposed to D* or cable which no doubt will have lots of HD eventually?

HD delayed is HD denied!

My sights will always be set on seeing all television programming in HD. The HD channels are going to just trickle in during this analog to digital transition. It's always going to seem like we don't have enough until we have it all. Even then, people will bitch and moan about something else. It's the way of the world.

I knew what the channel line-up was when I signed up for VOOM. I did it for what they have NOW. Yes, VOOM is the current HD leader. However, I don't have any expectations that they'll be the leader tomorrow. If D* or E* takes over as the HD leader, then I'll switch.

In any case, I'll enjoy what HD programming I have now where ever I get it. Any new programming or channels that come along are just icing on the cake. I guess I'm just someone that manages my expectations a bit differently.

All I want is for at least one provider to be able to provide all the HD channels. I really don't care who it is whether it be Voom, Directv or Comcast. I can't afford to carry multiple providers to achieve this. Right now I'm with Voom because they are the closest, but if Directv gets INHD then that might sway them in my favor because baseball in HD is a high priority for me. Problem is that they (D*) will probably require me to lock in with them for a year or 2. When Comcast Sportsnet HD debuts in Chicago in October, then Comcast might have the most in my mind. But if one of the providers could just have every available channel that would solve alot of my problems. Each one is lacking at least a few channels.


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The lack of bandwidh is NOT preventing V* from getting any channel NOW (which is the case for D* and E*). So my take on the exclusive channels is that they should continue adding/improving content as oppose to eliminate channels. Some of that is already happening - a good example being the upcoming EquatorHD replacing Epics (which would become part of Cinema10).

Right now I'm with Voom because they are the closest, but if Directv gets INHD then that might sway them in my favor because baseball in HD is a high priority for me. C
If D* gets inHD, why V* wouldn't do it? The only barrier preventing V* from getting inHD is the "Only on cable" logo and according to some AVSForum members that would change soon.

Im making the prediction right now that VOOM will add INHD before Directv does.

If D* gets inHD, why V* wouldn't do it?

I don't know, you tell me. All I know is when I turn on my Voom box, I can't find INHD anywhere. According to reliable sources, INHD has been available to all providers including satellite from it's inception, yet none of the satellite providers has chosen to pick it up yet. And until one of the providers has all of the channels available, which provider has the best choices of hdtv offerings is up for debate, can differ per individual tastes, and can change on a weekly basis.

IAccording to reliable sources, INHD has been available to all providers including satellite from it's inception
That's the part that I don't buy into. Why would cable companies create inHD and make it available to DBS from day 1? I think that they must have had some kind of exclusive contract - perhaps 6 mos or at least until inHD become very well established.

that's why voom has to get HDnet and INDH. If a voom channel has exclusive that we want to see then we tune in to the voom channel, if HDnet has it then we tune in to HDnet. The point is to have all channels so that we dont miss out on anything!!!!!!
isnt that what voom is all about?, as voom subscribers we want the all HD programming available out there....

Things might change, but when I had Comcast with INHD they were *really* pushing the "only on cable" aspect (even on the channel bug).

All I Know Is The People I Know Who Have Dig. Cable Say INHD Is The Best Thing Since The Invention Of The Bong, NO! NO!, I Mean Sliced Bread.

I have digital cable and InHD is NOT that great, IMHO. Reminds me of when I got my OTA HDTV tuner. Watched the PBS loop over and over. Cool at first, but a while it was boring. Whenever I tune into InHD they either have bodybuilding or some lame 80's movie.

Other than the three baseball games a week, I find myself not watching InHD.

I just cancelled my Digital/HD cable from Time/Warner and while the InHD was pretty good I do not think it was earth shaking. I did watch a few of the baseball games and on occasion the picture was nothing special. Mind you I think it was the camera angles etc. Perhaps lack of experience on the operators part.

I was much more impressed with some of travel/city features that were shown on InHD but they should also be available on Voom.

Just my opinion.

Charley

A lot of stuff was (over) looped but sometimes I miss "Sea Forest" on INHD. And the penguin thing.