Thread: azbox and SG2100 dont mix??

I asked a couple folks if their azbox worked with a motor properly (as in it would actually keep a location) and they said it was bang on.

So tonight I tried to hook up the azbox elite with a SG2100 and was not happy

Locked 93W (true south) and selected Diseqc 1.2 and "save"...I did not do auto and selected my own position (1) and scanned in channels. Went to 91W and got that locked in. Saved it as 2 and scanned in channels. Now selected Azteca 7 (on 93W) and it said "moving to 93.1W in 20 sec" and counted down to 0....

no signal on screen

it did not save the right spot. Was off big time. Looked like it went to about 94 or so...Tried again. Saved 93, 91 & 72W. But here is when I noticed we have issues. I saved 72W and scanned in the NBC Satops mux.
1st channel shows 82 quality
selected second channel and the yellow bar didnt go as far....checked and quality was down to 62. So the receiver moves the motor on the same transponder....ugh!

So I went back to the Coolsat for now. Anybody using a azbox elite and a motor properly?

Yes, I have a sg6000. I found that USALS works perfectly.
Diseqc 1.2 on the other hand is buggy. I found that auto save works best. And do not 'reset' a setting. It will shuffle the remaining settings.
Also, after hitting 'save' you must menu over and hit 'go to position' or the motor will go amuck.

That being said, I have no issues using it with my Gbox. I can assign locations and 'bump' the motor with no problems. I still have to hit 'go to position' for the save to take though.

Thats what I've notice that Diseqc 1.2 is buggy

I think I'll keep it as is for now

Ice (Tony),

Try to use USALS with the AZBox. Don't use DiSEqC 1.2.

I believe that both should work fine, but because of the screwy programming, it is difficult to keep the DiSEqC settings organized properly. With DiSEqC 1.2 motor positioning, you have to set each satellite up individually and I don't know how well the AZBox likes it.

I use USALS for EVERY satellite, except 30.0°W via my AZBox and it works great this way. 30.0°W I have to set with DiSEqC 1.2 because of my location coordinates and the limitations of USALS beyond a specific degree east or west.

Tony, I know that you have the Elite model and I have the Premium model AZBox, but I am sure that this difference has nothing to do with this problem. The differences are the power supply and HDD location and the option of the WiFi.

When you and I discussed this in a PM, I assured you that the motor control using USALS was SPOT ON. I adhere to that as it is still working so well for me today and it has been that good ever since I set it up.

I feel bad because it isn't working the same for you after I told you that it would work so well. I have had two different AZBoxes and they both worked perfectly in regards to satellite location. I don't understand why your AZBox Elite would not follow the arc just the same. They are the same machines, with a few different bells and whistles here and there, but the guts are the same.

If you have not been using USALS satellite location, try it instead of using DiSEqC 1.2 locating. I am noit sure that this is going to be helpful if something else is wrong, but I founjd that the AZBox doesn't like you to mess around with the satellite list. Every time I go there to play, it screws around with my other sat positions. I tried to forwarn you about this in my last PM, but I wasn't sure of how DiSEqC 1.2 functioned with more than one sat.

I really feel bad that your motor control isn't what I told you it should be, but I don't have any problems (other than what I stated about the corruption of the list) so I don't know what the error could be.

I cannot see the difference between the AZBox Elite and the Premium causing this. I have swapped so many different receivers with the same dish antenna and they have all worked spot on (except for the SonicView 360).

Tony, there must be something else that you and I are missing in this as I am sure that it isn't the AZBox itself. It cannot be, unless your AZBox is messed up, and I don't believe that.

We should discuss this further and come up with an answer so that others don't have to be surprised by this problem. We should get to the bottom of this. If you want, PM me for further discussion.

Gordy

I use the AZ with SG2100 (USALS), SG6000 (USALS), and GBox (Diseqc 1.2) All work fine....except saving Diseqc 1.2 positions. I had numerous problems that change with Firmware updates.
For Diseqc 1.2, I use the GBox's remote to Find / Tweak and Save positions, and just used the MAZ Editor to enter the Position Numbers for the AZ. Not that easy with SG2100, but you could write down the Position Numbers from the Coolsat and enter them in to the AZBox's channel list via an Editor.

I have similar problem with Diseqc 1.2, but is working OK on USALS. If I remeber well, last FW working OK with Diseqc 1.2 was 0.9.2880. After that, strange things start happening.... Position was not saved, Sat/Channel list got corrupted, Sat position was changing etc...
There is lot of complains on AZbox forum about Diseqc 1.2

The AZBox Elite using DiSEqC 1.2 still drives me nuts. With all the firmware upgrades, it seems like they would of had ample opportunity to correct this major issue.

I haven't tried USALs in a long time but it was ridiculous 8 months ago.

I have an elite with a digiwave sg2100. I'm still using my coolsat 6100 to run the motor. Running the elite in slave mode sucks. 1/2 the transponders wont work until I go back into the coolsat and tune to a missing tp

I remember reading on this site that blindscan and motor control wasn't big on the azbox priority list. They were saying the IP TV was the main focus and no real changes were on the horizon.

Originally Posted by Lak7

I use the AZ with SG2100 (USALS), SG6000 (USALS), and GBox (Diseqc 1.2) All work fine....except saving Diseqc 1.2 positions. I had numerous problems that change with Firmware updates.
For Diseqc 1.2, I use the GBox's remote to Find / Tweak and Save positions, and just used the MAZ Editor to enter the Position Numbers for the AZ. Not that easy with SG2100, but you could write down the Position Numbers from the Coolsat and enter them in to the AZBox's channel list via an Editor.

Lak7,

I have been using my AZBox Premium with the SG2100 and the PowerTech DG-280B and DG-380 motors and have witnessed NO problems and no errors.

I have all satellites that I can receive set up to use USALS except one, 30.0°W. My longitude is 96.4°W and my latitude is 41.6°W and no matter what receiver or motor I use, the USALS system will not drive the motor beyond a certain degree. 37.6°W is good, but 30.0°W is a no go with USALS. So, somewhere between there USALS ceases to function for me and I have to switch to DiSEC 1.2 and position the dish step by step until I find the sat and then SAVE/STORE the motor position manually.

Otherwise, my use of USALS is spot on and so convenient that I told Tony in a PM that he would be pleased with the AZBox motor positioning. I feel bad that it doesn't work well for him, but I wonder if it doesn't have a relation with messing with the list of sats in the AZBox.

I have fought this ever since day one when I received my AZBox. If the list of sats and their positions are accurate, you regret editing them, as the list almost always becomnes corrupt and the table of memorized sat positions within the AZBox loses its mind. If I add a new satellite to the list, one or two other sat positions are comprimized during the process.

I have tried everything I can think of to prevent this, but just when I think I have resolved the conflict or problem, it screws me up again.

I have a back-up of my "good sat list" that I can rely upon so that I can reload everything easily and start over. But, that is not how this should work. Problems like this should not arise in the first place. I used the AZBox web site (OpenSat's bug report site) to complain about this issue a few times. Although, I don't see them addressing the issue yet. Maybe someday they will.

I will continue using my AZBox with USALS and adding new sats to my list, or deleting retired ones as I wish. I will just have to remember the littlke tricks that are necessary to keep my list clean and just woirk around the problems until they fix it permanently. A pain, I know, but not too awful.

RADAR