Can't record HBO and Cinemax on Demand with BHN?

[skottey]

HBO Online: Corporate Info : FAQ - HBO Application of CGMS-A Copyright Protection<br><br>

I keep hearing that you can't record HBO on Demand and Cinemax on Demand, just look at my link from the website of HBO.

I have been recording movies to DVD-R for my own use from these two On Demand channels as long as I have had them and have never had a problem with BHN's offering of HBO or Cinemax on Demand. As we speak I am viewing Sexy Beast recorded off HBO on Demand just this AM just to make sure it still works. And it should work damnit! I pay enough for cable.

Now Dish is another story (I subscribe to them too since BHN lacks in the area of offerings), I'd mentioned in another post that I tried recording off Monsters HD and got the fading in and out like the old Macrovision VHS to VHS problem. MY DVR was getting full and I just wanted to dump some of the movies off for my own use. This isn't an issue anymore now that I can store on an external hard drive with Dish, but boy was I angry when I saw that they had copy protection on something I wanted for my own use and that I pay for.

Anybody have a problem recording with BHN on HBO or Cinemax on Demand?

[stevenl]

I had no idea that was possible I thought they blocked that..... I know you cant do it for PPV purchases never really tried it for hbo and the likes...

That was my biggest dislike of making PPV all on-demand, because wit hthe ol "In-Demand" stuff I could record it but with on-demand I couldnt.

Just attempted to record an HBO on-demand show on my DVR and as I thought It was not possible. Do you have a BHN DVR or are you using Tivo?

[skottey]

I had no idea that was possible I thought they blocked that..... I know you cant do it for PPV purchases never really tried it for hbo and the likes...

That was my biggest dislike of making PPV all on-demand, because wit hthe ol "In-Demand" stuff I could record it but with on-demand I couldnt.

Just attempted to record an HBO on-demand show on my DVR and as I thought It was not possible. Do you have a BHN DVR or are you using Tivo?

I have a BHN DVR, but I am not DVRing the movies from On Demand, I am burning them to a DVD-R. They supposedly have copy protection, as per the link I posted, but it works like a charm burning them to a DVD-R.

I'd mentioned that I couldn't record movies as per the copyright fair use laws off the Dish DVR and I now have that working going through a third party filter I ordered off the net ($125). It was doing that fade to black Macrovision crap when I tried to record from my Dish DVR and I ordered the device. Now I can archive anything. Not that I need to. I have a 750 external hard drive only 1/3rd filled with horror movies from Monsters HD.

[stevenl]

ohh I thought you were dvring them heh. Well what your doing sounds like violateing the law. Once the signal leaves BHNs box on the coax or video port, into your device BHN cant control if you record it or dont record it. Your DVD-R sees the image just as your TV does, not sure how they could stop it from being that way.

[skottey]

ohh I thought you were dvring them heh. Well what your doing sounds like violateing the law. Once the signal leaves BHNs box on the coax or video port, into your device BHN cant control if you record it or dont record it. Your DVD-R sees the image just as your TV does, not sure how they could stop it from being that way.

violating the law? making my own personal archive copy is all I am doing. that is hardly breaking the law.

[stevenl]

To quote you:

"I'd mentioned that I couldn't record movies as per the copyright fair use laws off the Dish DVR and I now have that working going through a third party filter I ordered off the net ($125)."




From the aRticle:

Why can cable subscribers copy a program from HBO or Cinemax (and all the multiplex channels), but are not permitted to copy programs from HOD or MaxOD?

One of the key attributes of HBO's On-Demand services is the convenience of watching great HBO and Cinemax programs on your own schedule - which is why you don't need to "time shift" the programming. HOD and MaxOD provide functions such as rewind, pause, fast-forward, etc. - i.e., the very same viewing conveniences offered by viewing a personal copy, thereby eliminating the need to record your own copy. If you would like to own the entire series of HBO's Original Programming (such as The Sopranos, Six Feet Under, etc.), you are able to purchase the DVDs in attractive box sets with special features such as out-takes and directors' notes.

[skottey]

To quote you:

"I'd mentioned that I couldn't record movies as per the copyright fair use laws off the Dish DVR and I now have that working going through a third party filter I ordered off the net ($125)."




From the aRticle:

Why can cable subscribers copy a program from HBO or Cinemax (and all the multiplex channels), but are not permitted to copy programs from HOD or MaxOD?

One of the key attributes of HBO's On-Demand services is the convenience of watching great HBO and Cinemax programs on your own schedule - which is why you don't need to "time shift" the programming. HOD and MaxOD provide functions such as rewind, pause, fast-forward, etc. - i.e., the very same viewing conveniences offered by viewing a personal copy, thereby eliminating the need to record your own copy. If you would like to own the entire series of HBO's Original Programming (such as The Sopranos, Six Feet Under, etc.), you are able to purchase the DVDs in attractive box sets with special features such as out-takes and directors' notes.

The copyright problems I have had are with Dish. My HBO/Cinemax subscription is with BHN and they record just fine without any filter. The point of my post was that HBO says you can't record from OnDemand but it works just fine. Word on the net says it is blocked by some systems (but not by BHN I guess). BHN is doing nothing that I am aware of to block copying, where Dish does.

HBO says there is no need to time shift the On Demand programming because you can watch it when you want since it is On Demand. Fair argument until you see the "available until Sept 4th" on the info screen. What if I am going to Europe and won't be back until Sept 10th, yet I really want to see "Star Wars" from HBO On Demand? It falls off Sept 4th, and I want to watch it on the 10th. Or maybe I want it on a DVD-R so I can watch it on my laptop at the hotel, where TV sucks? I have time to pop in a DVD-R and start recording Star Wars in the background while I pack for Europe and then the DVD is ready to go 2 1/2 hours later. I pay for HBO, I watch my movie, all is well.

Steveni- you are either the biggest devil's advocate on this site, following me around a number of posts, or you are way too in bed with your employer (BHN, isn't it?)

[stevenl]

HBO says you cant record from on-demand because they dont want you to record from on-demand thus you are violating their copyright laws. So in that you are breaking the law. Regardless of it you "can" physically record it is still violating your agreement with HBO.

You order HBO to watch it at home on your box that you pay for HBO on, not on your laptop. It is not your personal DVD download source.... You want to watch Star wars in the hotel buy the DVD. Otherwise you are essentially breaking your agreement with HBO Has nothing to do with BHN...


and I post in the BHN forum all the time, the statements you have made here are just asinine gripes that really are not thought out well. Seems you are bitching just to bitch. Not to mention you do not seem to read replies to your msgs only take parts of it.

[skottey]

HBO says you cant record from on-demand because they dont want you to record from on-demand thus you are violating their copyright laws. So in that you are breaking the law. Regardless of it you "can" physically record it is still violating your agreement with HBO.

You order HBO to watch it at home on your box that you pay for HBO on, not on your laptop. It is not your personal DVD download source.... You want to watch Star wars in the hotel buy the DVD. Otherwise you are essentially breaking your agreement with HBO Has nothing to do with BHN...


and I post in the BHN forum all the time, the statements you have made here are just asinine gripes that really are not thought out well. Seems you are bitching just to bitch. Not to mention you do not seem to read replies to your msgs only take parts of it.

HBO doesn't WANT me to record from on-demand so therefore I am breaking the law? What logic!

With that same logic, I don't want you to annoy me with your posts so therefore you are breaking the law by posting. What someone wants and the law are two very different things.

Wanting something and the legality of it are not one in the same.

And who said I didn't read your replies? I read your replies, as lengthy and drawn out as they are. Just because I don't address all your drivel doesn't mean I don't read it. You are obviously a BHN employee, proudly defending them at all costs. Admit it, BHN leaves a lot to be desired.

[stevenl]

HBO doesn't WANT me to record from on-demand so therefore I am breaking the law? What logic!

With that same logic, I don't want you to annoy me with your posts so therefore you are breaking the law by posting. What someone wants and the law are two very different things.

Wanting something and the legality of it are not one in the same.

And who said I didn't read your replies? I read your replies, as lengthy and drawn out as they are. Just because I don't address all your drivel doesn't mean I don't read it. You are obviously a BHN employee, proudly defending them at all costs. Admit it, BHN leaves a lot to be desired.

They own the content not you. Just like downloading an mp3 you are stealing their content.

What id like to see BHN do, is upgrade the entire plant to node+1 and make everything 1ghz using the new Gainmaker equipment from SA. Get rid fo the old 750 crap which tends to fail way to much (after all its many years old and had to live in this florida enviroment for along time)

Then implant a form of switch video technology and giving us a capacity equal to fios, and the dish's.. But we are talking billions of dollars to upgrade all of BHNs plants, and right now we are in a war with the worlds largest telcom company, and a company that comes very close. Cash is not something BHN can use to compete with att, or verizon. If it became a cash war, BHN would lose easily. Why? Because att has the deepest pockets imaginable. Hell ATT alone is bigger then the ENTIRE CABLE INDUSTRY. That includes comcast/cox/bhn/twc etc. So BHN cant compete dollar for dollar with att, and verizon. They have to focus on other stuff. So instead of focusing on adding a gazillion channels (not that it is forgotten) they are focusing on improving the customers experience. That has shown in BHN Twice winning the JD Powers award for phone, and last year for TV service. (Just a note BHN was the first cable company to earn the phone award ever.)