I found a better speed test for satellite internet

**bwporker** · 05-10-2009 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by tobifelinis

Ok I am a long time Hughes user. I ran the test. The speed test is close to my Hughes based test maybe a hair faster. Does not matter as Hughes will not even look at test run on anything but their servers.

The other test really are not valid for my consumer grade account. They might work on Business or Enterprise accounts with static IP's. Us lowly consumers all have Nated Ip's that change several times a day.

All of the test except for the speed test seem to stop at the Hughes operations center in Gaithersburg or Las Vegas. Nothing actually goes past the operations center and up the satellite link and back down to my VSAT. Thus none of the results are valid. I could not get the streaming video test to run at all but I think the site may have gone down just as I tried to run it. I can't bring the site up anymore Sunday AM. Some of the test did identify that the test packets appeared to be firewalled.

I have no complaints about the test, they are just not valid for most Hughes accounts. I don't think they are valid for Wildblue either but I don't have Wildblue account to test with.

I am sorry BWPorker but you original post kinda resembled our friend BroadBandinaBox. Which caused all kinda red flags to go up.

oh boy that sounds bad. sorry for any confusion or concern. I just wanted to help but apparently this is a hot topic for some.

**grohgreg** · 05-10-2009 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by bwporker

oh boy that sounds bad. sorry for any confusion or concern. I just wanted to help but apparently this is a hot topic for some.

No confusion, no concern, not even a hot topic; just a fact of life in the satellite internet world. There's only one problem here, and that's your shilling for an outfit that obviously has yet to scratch the surface of that world.

The instance referred to by tobifelinis started out pretty much the same way; some dude slinging around praise for an obscure satellite service provider. He eventually was revealed to be a guy that wholesaled hardware TO that provider, and was completely without a clue as to how the stuff he sold - actually worked.

//greg//

**Bandwidth** · 05-10-2009 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by grohgreg

No confusion, no concern, not even a hot topic; just a fact of life in the satellite internet world. There's only one problem here, and that's your shilling for an outfit that obviously has yet to scratch the surface of that world.

The instance referred to by tobifelinis started out pretty much the same way; some dude slinging around praise for an obscure satellite service provider. He eventually was revealed to be a guy that wholesaled hardware TO that provider, and was completely without a clue as to how the stuff he sold - actually worked.

//greg//

Greg,

Do you go around flaming everyone new on this board? With all due respect you do owe bwporker an apology. He made first contact with us just 48 hours ago because of your response to his post and by what I can see even asked you prior to doing so. As for ISPgeeks, our site is a not for profit that's been around since Nov 2006 with over 22 million served. The expenses are very slightly offset by the minimal advertising revenue and the rest comes directly out of the owners pocket and has since day one. Quite frankly we didn't need this kind of attention but since the issue was raised we felt we should respond.

We decided to address the issues you raised by making the changes you said wouldn't be made because it was "too expensive and time consuming", you do remember that right? If you have an issue with us then step up and say so in private but I don't think the admin of this site would appreciate you chasing off noobs.

**iwc5893** · 05-10-2009 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by Bandwidth

Greg,

Do you go around flaming everyone new on this board? With all due respect you do owe bwporker an apology. He made first contact with us just 48 hours ago because of your response to his post and by what I can see even asked you prior to doing so. As for ISPgeeks, our site is a not for profit that's been around since Nov 2006 with over 22 million served. The expenses are very slightly offset by the minimal advertising revenue and the rest comes directly out of the owners pocket and has since day one. Quite frankly we didn't need this kind of attention but since the issue was raised we felt we should respond.

We decided to address the issues you raised by making the changes you said wouldn't be made because it was "too expensive and time consuming", you do remember that right? If you have an issue with us then step up and say so in private but I don't think the admin of this site would appreciate you chasing off noobs.

I disagree. While I applaud you for taking steps to correct the deficiencies that greg has found, it is not his responsibility to troubleshoot your site for you. I too, have visited your site, and found inconsistencies in the tests you provide...including using the exact same tests on completely different websites.

And no, I won't troubleshoot your site for you either. I work for my ISP, and KNOW what my actual speeds are. Suffice it to say that I when I ran the tests presented on your site, they did not match up to what I was actually getting.

**bwporker** · 05-10-2009 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by iwc5893

I disagree. While I applaud you for taking steps to correct the deficiencies that greg has found, it is not his responsibility to troubleshoot your site for you. I too, have visited your site, and found inconsistencies in the tests you provide...including using the exact same tests on completely different websites.

And no, I won't troubleshoot your site for you either. I work for my ISP, and KNOW what my actual speeds are. Suffice it to say that I when I ran the tests presented on your site, they did not match up to what I was actually getting.

Hi,

This is my fault. I thought I was helping and some of you have totally like twisted this around. I never asked for help and if you read back there is no place where the moderator from that site has asked for any help. They only came over here to explain what I couldn't. That Greg guy has it in his head that he's been asked by someone to help them but if you read back they aren't interested. They are taking the time to make custom tests because I asked them to and I think because of all the uproar that I caused. Sorry again.

Oh Greg, no need to apologize or anything. I pitty you. To attack someone you don't even know says a lot about you. If you're looking for an attack back find another patsy because I don't play childish games and you won't bait me like you've apparently done to others here. No need to reply I have nothing else to say to you.

**bwporker** · 05-10-2009 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by Bandwidth

Greg,

Do you go around flaming everyone new on this board? With all due respect you do owe bwporker an apology. He made first contact with us just 48 hours ago because of your response to his post and by what I can see even asked you prior to doing so. As for ISPgeeks, our site is a not for profit that's been around since Nov 2006 with over 22 million served. The expenses are very slightly offset by the minimal advertising revenue and the rest comes directly out of the owners pocket and has since day one. Quite frankly we didn't need this kind of attention but since the issue was raised we felt we should respond.

We decided to address the issues you raised by making the changes you said wouldn't be made because it was "too expensive and time consuming", you do remember that right? If you have an issue with us then step up and say so in private but I don't think the admin of this site would appreciate you chasing off noobs.

The Greg issue aside I appreciate the effort you've made. I never expected such efforts or the time you spent attempting to explain away the mess I created. Thank you and he won't be chasing me off. Ignore is all powerful

**iwc5893** · 05-11-2009 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by bwporker

Hi,

This is my fault. I thought I was helping and some of you have totally like twisted this around. I never asked for help and if you read back there is no place where the moderator from that site has asked for any help. They only came over here to explain what I couldn't. That Greg guy has it in his head that he's been asked by someone to help them but if you read back they aren't interested. They are taking the time to make custom tests because I asked them to and I think because of all the uproar that I caused. Sorry again.

Oh Greg, no need to apologize or anything. I pitty you. To attack someone you don't even know says a lot about you. If you're looking for an attack back find another patsy because I don't play childish games and you won't bait me like you've apparently done to others here. No need to reply I have nothing else to say to you.

It's not your fault, but where I take issue is with posts like these.
http://www.satelliteguys.us/broadban...ml#post1816369
http://www.satelliteguys.us/broadban...ml#post1816407

When using speed test you've got to realize that there are various factors that can affect them NOT related to your actual connection speed, and no one test can test them all. There's a reason that there are various sites out there to test speed, using a variety of technologies, hardware, and software.

To truly diagnose any speed related issues, you need to be able to reproduce the results across a variety of sites using a variety of testing methods. Now when I tested my connection on their servers, I also tested it on 5 other sites (some using the same myspeed program, and others using flash based testing such as speedtest.net) My tests results on every site but theirs was consistently in the range I would expect it to be for my connection. On the 5 tests I ran at their site, only one of them was even close.

**bwporker** · 05-11-2009 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by iwc5893

It's not your fault, but where I take issue is with posts like these.
http://www.satelliteguys.us/broadban...ml#post1816369
http://www.satelliteguys.us/broadban...ml#post1816407

When using speed test you've got to realize that there are various factors that can affect them NOT related to your actual connection speed, and no one test can test them all. There's a reason that there are various sites out there to test speed, using a variety of technologies, hardware, and software.

To truly diagnose any speed related issues, you need to be able to reproduce the results across a variety of sites using a variety of testing methods. Now when I tested my connection on their servers, I also tested it on 5 other sites (some using the same myspeed program, and others using flash based testing such as speedtest.net) My tests results on every site but theirs was consistently in the range I would expect it to be for my connection. On the 5 tests I ran at their site, only one of them was even close.

I understand but none of you have posted your results or provider and subscribed service level so why should I or anyone take your word for it? I'm willing to give them a chance. I caused this and the tests helped me once before and if you look back the only thing they asked was for you to produce your test results. Do you think its fair to say something sucks and then not back it up? They have already explained Gregs results based on his post and I'm willing to give then the benefit of the doubt. It's the least I can do since it was my post that caused this fiasco from the start. Instead of talking trash about me and that moderator is it to much to ask to back up your claims?

**iwc5893** · 05-11-2009 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by bwporker

I understand but none of you have posted your results or provider and subscribed service level so why should I or anyone take your word for it? I'm willing to give them a chance. I caused this and the tests helped me once before and if you look back the only thing they asked was for you to produce your test results. Do you think its fair to say something sucks and then not back it up? They have already explained Gregs results based on his post and I'm willing to give then the benefit of the doubt. It's the least I can do since it was my post that caused this fiasco from the start. Instead of talking trash about me and that moderator is it to much to ask to back up your claims?

Why should I provide my results, service provide, and service plan? It is not my goal to improve their site or their tests. After all, they have their own technical staff to do that.

But if they really need my specific information to post an accurate test, then how accurate is their test? Shouldn't their tests work accurately regardless of what information I provide?

**bwporker** · 05-11-2009 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by iwc5893

Why should I provide my results, service provide, and service plan? It is not my goal to improve their site or their tests. After all, they have their own technical staff to do that.

But if they really need my specific information to post an accurate test, then how accurate is their test? Shouldn't their tests work accurately regardless of what information I provide?

Sorry but that made no sense. What I see here are people who jumped the gun first calling me some type of plant then going on the attack against them without a shred of evidence brought forward to back the attack. They came here because I asked them to explain. They clearly posted that they didn't come here expecting anything from anyone but they did ask Greg to produce the results he claimed to have. Hell they never considered modifications until my post and this mess. We, meaning you and I, have no idea what they are capable of doing. But instead of trash talking I'm giving them a chance to make the mods and see how it all works out. They don't want anything from you or me and they don't deserve this bs. If it were me running that site I would tell you guys that have engaged in the attack to go to h^ll and create your own stuff if you think you're that good. I'm tired and done discussing this. I'll wait for the mods and try myself. I'll be heading to the mtns in a week or so and will test plenty then and unlike you I will be posting my results. Thanks for the lively discussion.