Don't Believe NPS about C band support ending.

**talder** · 07-19-2010 02:16 PM

> So it's pick you poison time. I for one with the help of Satellite Guys tried my best to keep 4DTV going and stop the dirty plan.
The problem is being a small speck of dust I had no power to fight the evil empire. One day the shoe will be on the other foot and
Charlie & NPS will be the ones screwed, history will repeat itself.
>
> Good luck to all the dedicated 4DTV-ers. And a big thanks to Scott and Iceberg of Satellite Guys for helping us try to win the battle.
> ************

In 1986 I had made a decision to 'join the fight' to protect the free flow of information coming from the Public Park in the Sky. I donated 3 years of my life, and untold thousands to support and maintain a radio talk station just for C band satellite dish owners. Did it matter? Well, I can tell you that channels such as PBS-X and C-SPAN are in the clear today as a result of the small group who joined the K-SAT ARMY.

Want to read my story? email cband@electron.org and I'll be happy to share what a difference one person can make, no matter what the odds. Tim Alderman C bander since 1974

**pendragon** · 07-19-2010 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by tvropro

Dish network is the cheap mans system. Direct is the better system and costs a bit more.

Link, please?

In my humble comparisons, I haven't found terribly significant differences between DTV and DN. I've stopped reading the flame wars on these forums between the proponents for each, mostly because it was the usual "I like my car better because it's better because I bought it." No consensus ever seemed to be reached. If you have demonstrable evidence of DTV's technical superiority, I would be honored with the opportunity to expand my horizons. Otherwise if this is just your opinion, that's fine too.

Some people have good reasons to choose one system over another. Some even choose more than one. I subscribe to DN and Shaw Direct because neither alone offers enough of what I want. I don't see any value in adding DTV to my collection, but someone who likes their sports packages might feel the opposite. There's nothing wrong with having different criteria, including hating Charlie Ergen. But hating Ergen doesn't automatically make his system inferior.

In the end I personally feel no inclination to select DTV or DN based on the number of subscribers each possesses. As has been said before, there are far more cockroaches on this planet than humans, but this does not confer a higher level of enlightenment to the former. If there was a 10X difference in DTH subscriptions, there might be concern for the smaller's survival, but that didn't stop us from subscribing to 4DTV with say a 1500X ratio against us. The masses choose one or the other for good reasons and bad, but there is still a lot of churn.

**tvropro** · 07-19-2010 10:20 PM

You need to look through the forums and make your own conclusions. Few things Direct has going for it are, DirecTv offers more HD with better picture quality and less compression. There SD also uses less compression than Dish. Dishes packages may be cheaper but offer much less for those slightly cheaper prices. To get some of the better channels you have to go to a high tier pack when Direct offers them in their basic choice pack.

**Davage** · 07-19-2010 10:33 PM

There's a little too much DirecTV vs DishNet talk going on here.... There's a whole forum dedicated to that guys...

The Dish Network -VS- DirecTV WAR ZONE! - SatelliteGuys.US

**TMair** · 07-20-2010 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by tvropro

Charlie's getting some payback as we speak. The mouse (Disney) is sticking it to him because he thinks he can run the show with his lawyers and not pay his bills. He owes 65 million to them plus for 25 months HD programming he didn't pay for. Who the hell does this guy think he is?

Way to go Disney

So I wonder who else he owes, Disney can't be the only one, it seams like when you hear about one, others start to come out of the wood work.
Maybe he isn't gloating much about the demise of 4Dtv with his other woes.
Terry

**tvropro** · 07-20-2010 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by TMair

So I wonder who else he owes, Disney can't be the only one, it seams like when you hear about one, others start to come out of the wood work.

Terry

Good point. The way he treats his customers no wonder why he's looking for new suckers to take their place. Killing 4D and using NPS as the sap to get these to sign as subs couldn't make it any easier for him.

From what I'm reading looks like Charlies numbers will be falling big time in the next review. GOOD! Nothing would make me more happy to see Dish go out of business. Just a dream now but if he keeps his abuse up of his so called followers there won't be many left around once the majority wakes up.

**tvropro** · 07-20-2010 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by Davage

There's a little too much DirecTV vs DishNet talk going on here.... There's a whole forum dedicated to that guys...

The Dish Network -VS- DirecTV WAR ZONE! - SatelliteGuys.US

This area may become the C band VS Dish Network War Zone

**tvropro** · 07-23-2010 06:23 PM

See this for the latest:

http://www.satelliteguys.us/4dtv-dis...t-certain.html

**dishman1** · 07-25-2010 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by tvropro

This area may become the C band VS Dish Network War Zone

+1

**stone1150** · 08-14-2010 06:22 AM

Well getting back to the NPS crap. How many of you got a letter like I did just yesterday from NPS? In the letter they say outright in big bold letters that say.

"Unfortunately, despite our best efforts, C-band programming and services will no longer exist as of December 31, 2010 from any C-band provider."

I was under the impression that deception was against the law as a sales tactic. Can any lawyers shed any light on that? This crap has to stop! If I was one of the providers that plan to continue after the first of the year, I would sue for every dime I could get out of NPS for outright lying and damaging my business with those lies. But I am just a lowly person in the mean and cruel world. Mr. Mountford even has his stenciled signature on the letter. But like I said, outright lies to the consumer are a Bozo no no is the impression I was under. I thought businesses were shut down and fined for that crap. Anyways, the pic of the letter is here. It is not the greatest but should be able to be blown up for those that want to read for themselves. Have a great day!

NOTE: After uploading the picture, I see that it is crap. Hopefully the .zip will be better for viewing. If needed I will attempt a better photo.