Thanks for your reply, i guess i will stick with D* for now. The only problem i have with D* is rain fade witch i never had much of when i installed the dish's myself, but now the new dish's have more lnb's and i belive one is on a weaker c band satellite. When it rain's i don't loose all channels. Anyway i have fios as a backup and i'm on a promo for both so i will have to choose when the promo's are up. The reason for me wanting C* is they have some hd channels i like. Thank's again