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Originally Posted by msmith198025

Depends on what performance you are looking for. The SRT will smoke it on top speed

Only because the 135 has a governor set at 143 mph...which is easy to find someone who will remove it which will allow the car to get to around 175-180 mph.



Apparently the SRT 8's top speed is "only" 168. So who is faster on top speed? 168 < 175

Originally Posted by uncrules

Only because the 135 has a governor set at 143 mph...which is easy to find someone who will remove it which will allow the car to get to around 175-180 mph.

Apparently the SRT 8's top speed is "only" 168. So who is faster on top speed? 168 < 175

Actually, the SRT has hit 177 or so in europe in a car mag. motor tren or car and driver. I will have to find it, as soon as I do, I will post the link. That is STOCK. We are not talking about what you can do aftermarket, or at least I did not think we were..

Edit: it was motor trend november 08. and it was 173. Stock. Do you have anything to prove the 135 will do 175-180?

Originally Posted by msmith198025

Depends on what performance you are looking for. The SRT will smoke it on top speed

And has more room for the family. And my Charger SRT-8 cost $40,285 Fully Loaded. With 4 doors and Real seating for 5. .
The 2009 Charger SRT-8 ,I was Quoted a Price of $41,856 Fully Loaded as well.

Originally Posted by msmith198025

Do you have anything to prove the 135 will do 175-180?

That is what has been reported by people on BMW messageboards who own 135s and 335s. Both cars have exact same powertrains. And while removing the governor isn't stock, the engine and the rest of the powertrain are still stock.

Originally Posted by Hemi 6.1

And when your alternator goes ,or fuel pump,Clutch. Those cost of repairs are in the Thousands. BMW are nice . But your compairing, Plum to an apple. If you want to compair BMW's to a Charger or Challenger. Try M3 for the challenger,and a 5 series for the Charger. They are the same weight class ,and car class.
BMW 135 is in the WRX pocket rocket class.

Unless your BMW is more than 4 years, there are absolutely no costs for any maintenance or services. BMW is one of the few manufactures that have 4 year/50,000 free maintenance plans on all new cars. The only thing you will have to pay for is gas and tires. So over the first years of ownership between a 135 (or any BMW/Mini) the service cost will also be cheaper than your Dodge.

This is one reason why I lease my BMWs and get a new one every 3 years. I've not paid one cent for anything other than gas or tires since I got my first BMW in 2001. Even stuff like wipers, all fluids and brake jobs are free within the first 4 years.

Now I will grant that a BMW older than 4 years will get expensive to own. A brake job on the 545 I used to have would've cost $1,200 once outside the 4 year window. Again, this is why I lease them, not to mention cheaper monthly payments.

Ok, I will grant you that the 135 and the Dodges aren't competitors. I was just strictly talking about performance for the dollar comparisons. Not practical considerations. While the Dodges are more expensive than 135 base models (which include all of the performance) they are more practical for a family than a 135. And don't my take my talk of BMW as trying to put down your Dodges. They are great cars too. But I feel about BMWs they way you feel about Dodges.

For a more equal comparison Motortrend did recently compare a 135 to a Mitsubishi Evo and they like the 135 better.

Now if you want to compare the M3 to a Challenger, that's not really a valid comparison either. The M3's is in another world compared to the Dodges. The M3 will go 0-60 in 4.1 and qtr mile in 12.6 @ 113 mph and did Car and Driver's lightning lap in 3:06. About 10 seconds faster than the Dodge. But the M3 does cost a lot more than the Dodge so it should be a better performer. In various comparison tests, Car and Driver has recently picked the M3 over the Porsche 911 Carrera, Nissan GT-R, Porsche 911 Turbo, Lexus IS-F, Mercedes C63 AMG and Audi RS-4. IMO it's one of best cars in the world right now.

You mentioned the 5 series. While not as a good as a 3 series, an ungoverned but otherwise stock M5 with the 7-speed SMG can do 205 mph. Numerous videos on the Internet confirm that.

Originally Posted by Hemi 6.1

A fully loaded BMW 135 is over $50,000


2009 BMW 135 i Vehicle Options: Summary - AOL Autos

Yeah, options on BMWs are way excessive in cost. But at least you can get the performance I mentioned for under $36k.

Originally Posted by Hemi 6.1

I've only had My Charger up to 155 mph on the track at Pocono . It would of went faster. But I got scared because I just did all my Tranny upgrades and I didn't want to Break it right off the bat.
According to Car and Driver My Charger STOCK runs 0-60 4.8 and goes 173 MPH.

So bring on that Yuppy Bemmer

Like I said before, removing the governor wouldn't be considered stock, but the powertrain is still stock. The cost of removing the governor will still have the base 135 cheaper than $40k.

BMWs, Mercedes and Audis have a "gentlemens" agreement to speed limit their cars to usually around 150-155. It's an outdated thing and they should get rid of them.

Originally Posted by Hemi 6.1

I never got My Challenger. The order came in wrong,and then I said the hell with it with this economy. Maybe a New Camaro next year.

As somebody who owned 3 different Camaros in a row, I really like the new Camaro. I just hope the economy doesn't kill the Camaro again.

Originally Posted by uncrules

Like I said before, removing the governor wouldn't be considered stock, but the powertrain is still stock. The cost of removing the governor will still have the base 135 cheaper than $40k.

BMWs, Mercedes and Audis have a "gentlemens" agreement to speed limit their cars to usually around 150-155. It's an outdated thing and they should get rid of them.

Yeah, I never understood the speed limiting thing either, but that is how it has been done for years. I know it would be a simple thing to remove it though, just was not sure how fast that thing would go unkorked