Stay with Fios or go back to DTV?

**Hemi 6.1** · 11-14-2009 05:59 AM

Originally Posted by riffjim4069

I don't like the Tivo fees...that's why I only have one. Plus, it costs me nothing to use my 2006 model 500GB Sony HD DVR with FiOS. Additionally, you are not considering the bundled the savings I mentioned. Being a former E* AEP subscriber, I have a strong feeling a comparable E* programming package, broadband Internet service, and phone would be considerably more than the FiOS Triple Play.

Let's see if I have this straight...you're paying $136.99 for your 87 TurboHD-Lite channels with 722s while I am paying $173.00 for 117 pristine ExtremeHD channels (1 FiOS HD DVR, 1 TivoHD, 1 Sony HD DVR)?

Finally, I can understand your confusion since you never actually had FiOS service.

There is no confusion. Fios with Tivo service is EXPENSIVE. Bottom Line!. And without the Tivo service Fios is nothing. But a Fancy cable company.

I know Tivos are good, But TIVO isn't Verzion, or Fios. So if I have to buy my own Equipment for ,Lets just say $ 400-500 per Tivo DVR with Expander, and $13 per month Each X3. Don't forget that needs to be included with your Fios monthly fees.

At least with E* or D* your Getting 3 HD DVRs for $400 -$600 that will run circles around the TIVO's. E* I need one expander, for $99-$129 per month only that will work with all 3 of my E* HD DVRs..
Can the Tivo's do that?

May have a slight atvantage with recording capacity over D*, But lets not forget who Tivo worked with for years.
And I stll want to see a link for a Tivo with atleast 100 hours of HD recording for less then $498. Thats Brand new. Not someone elses refurbished junk.
Sorry but Verzion Fios can't be the best if you have to Call Tivo for equipment , because your provider's equipment sucks.
Tivo isn't FIOS. And TIVO isn't cheap. So lets not try and convince people that it is.
Yes Fios is a Good HD programming source if you don't want DVRs.
But I want to see your price Breakdown of your fios Service.

**Hemi 6.1** · 11-15-2009 09:55 AM

Well I did some verizon Pricing Yesterday. And this is how it Turned out.

$57.99 Gives me the top base package Fios offers. Not Bad!
Thats about 86 HD channels Not including VOD or PPV.
OK then I'm looking at $35 for every Premium Movie channel. Sounds Great yep!!
Not I'm looking at just over 130 HD Channels. Fantastic!

One small Problem starts, NFL Red Zone is $29.99 , I hope thats not Per month??

Now an even bigger problem.
I have 6 rooms of service with E*, But I really only use 5 so, I priced 3 HD DVRs and 2 SD DVRS. and BAM! BAM BAM!
$19.99 PER MONTH for 1 Media HD DVR Thats 20 hours pethedic HD hours and 80 SD. WOW what a steal.
It gets worse. Now I have to pay $9.99 per month Each for 2 more HD receivers,and $5.99 per month Each for 2 SD receivers.So I have to share one 20 hour DVR with 5 Rooms?
Lets Just say If I went with Tivo's What the monthly fee's then?

So that comes to a total price of
$174.93.
So My question is what is included besides 15/5 internet. Free phone service as well?

Help me Understand "Riff"
I need a break down. We all need to see one of these Fios Bills

**dlma1** · 11-21-2009 10:24 AM

FiOs is definitely a better value than D*.

First to your questions, Red Zone is $ 49.99 per season, it is now $ 29.99 because the season is half over. It is not a monthly fee.

TiVo is $ 12.95 per month or $ 129 if paid annually (there are other discount plans for 2, 3 or lifetime of the DEVICE - not you!).
You also have to pay $ 3.99 for a cable card (I have first Series 3 DVR, so it needs 2 cards to record 2 programs at once, newer modules only need 1).

I am also trying the Media DVR (free for 3 months but normally $ 19.99). It is decent DVR and convenient to be able to watch programs in multiple rooms. The only caveat is limitied capacity and it is not as versatile or user friendly as TiVo. The capacity question is less important if you use the On Demand features of your premium channels so you don't really need to record as many shows - just watch them when you want.

My TV is bundled with Phone and Internet (20/5). It is reliable and fast.

Here is my detailed bill:

High Definition STB Rental 2 at 9.99 $19.98
Home Media DVR - High Definition $19.99
HMDVR - Free for 90 Days thru Dec 21, 2009 -$19.99
Digital Adapter $3.99
Standard STB Rental $5.99
Cable Card Rental 2 at 3.99 $7.98
Movie/HBO/Cinemax Package $30.00
FiOS TV Extreme HD $57.99
FiOS TV Extreme HD Discount -$17.00
Total Full Month Charges $108.93

Verizon Phone - 39.21
Verizon Online - 40.99

Total - 199.16

As you can see, I have 2 HD receivers, a Tivo (I 2 need cable cards but you will only need 1), a digital adapter (that is used for a small TV over the bar - no room for a large box) and a standard STB for the office. I have every possible premium (and FiOS gives you every possible channel from HBO, Cinemax, Showtime, and Starz/Encore -- unlike D*!). And ALL of the premium movie channels are in HD.

So, I HIGHLY recommend FiOS if you can get it. I really see little to recommend D* over FiOS, other than its superior sports offerings (although if you are Flyers fan you can't get local Comcast broadcasts - but you can with FIOS!).

So, to sum up, I am very happy with FiOS and will be happy to answer questions via private mail if necessary.

**Hemi 6.1** · 11-21-2009 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by dlma1

FiOs is definitely a better value than D*.

First to your questions, Red Zone is $ 49.99 per season, it is now $ 29.99 because the season is half over. It is not a monthly fee.

TiVo is $ 12.95 per month or $ 129 if paid annually (there are other discount plans for 2, 3 or lifetime of the DEVICE - not you!).
You also have to pay $ 3.99 for a cable card (I have first Series 3 DVR, so it needs 2 cards to record 2 programs at once, newer modules only need 1).

I am also trying the Media DVR (free for 3 months but normally $ 19.99). It is decent DVR and convenient to be able to watch programs in multiple rooms. The only caveat is limitied capacity and it is not as versatile or user friendly as TiVo. The capacity question is less important if you use the On Demand features of your premium channels so you don't really need to record as many shows - just watch them when you want.

My TV is bundled with Phone and Internet (20/5). It is reliable and fast.

Here is my detailed bill:

High Definition STB Rental 2 at 9.99 $19.98
Home Media DVR - High Definition $19.99
HMDVR - Free for 90 Days thru Dec 21, 2009 -$19.99
Digital Adapter $3.99
Standard STB Rental $5.99
Cable Card Rental 2 at 3.99 $7.98
Movie/HBO/Cinemax Package $30.00
FiOS TV Extreme HD $57.99
FiOS TV Extreme HD Discount -$17.00
Total Full Month Charges $108.93

Verizon Phone - 39.21
Verizon Online - 40.99

Total - 199.16

As you can see, I have 2 HD receivers, a Tivo (I 2 need cable cards but you will only need 1), a digital adapter (that is used for a small TV over the bar - no room for a large box) and a standard STB for the office. I have every possible premium (and FiOS gives you every possible channel from HBO, Cinemax, Showtime, and Starz/Encore -- unlike D*!). And ALL of the premium movie channels are in HD.

So, I HIGHLY recommend FiOS if you can get it. I really see little to recommend D* over FiOS, other than its superior sports offerings (although if you are Flyers fan you can't get local Comcast broadcasts - but you can with FIOS!).

So, to sum up, I am very happy with FiOS and will be happy to answer questions via private mail if necessary.

So $230 per month.

Sorry ,But you can count promo prices.
NFL red Zone with E* is only $24 for the season, not $49.
So my Breakdown is as follows.
$132.98 Americas Everything pack
Thats includes HD DVR service in 3 Rooms as well as SD/DVR in 2 rooms with Red Zone and multi sports pack.
Vonage is $33 per month Unlimited long distance, call forward, caller ID as well as a limited international package.
And Verizon High Speed 3 Mbps
$29.99 per month.
Total
$195.97.

I'll stick with my Dish Network.

**dlma1** · 11-21-2009 02:52 PM

Ok, but remember both D* and E* don't have all the ALL the premiums in HD, a big advantage to me. So you should think about that. And FiOS is starting up EPIX HD
EpixHD - Big On Any Screen

- a combined scheduled movie service with on-demand features; the big difference with EPIX is that you can watch shows on your computer, cell phone or portable device and you can share shows or movies with up to 4 friends on their computers. That is pretty good value at $9.99 (I may add it to replace Starz). Also, did you notice I have 20Mbs download and 5 Mps upload - those are big advantages over 3 MBbs. Oh, and sorry, unless E* gave you a deal, Red zone is $ 49.95 a year:

DISH Network - 1.888.825.2557

I think you must have joined mid-season, as the 24.95 is the half-season price like I said.

Ok, off my soap box but I would recommend you give FiOs a try or visit a friend who has it. It is a great value.

**Hemi 6.1** · 11-21-2009 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by dlma1

Ok, but remember both D* and E* don't have all the ALL the premiums in HD, a big advantage to me. So you should think about that. And FiOS is starting up EPIX HD
EpixHD - Big On Any Screen

- a combined scheduled movie service with on-demand features; the big difference with EPIX is that you can watch shows on your computer, cell phone or portable device and you can share shows or movies with up to 4 friends on their computers. That is pretty good value at $9.99 (I may add it to replace Starz). Also, did you notice I have 20Mbs download and 5 Mps upload - those are big advantages over 3 MBbs. Oh, and sorry, unless E* gave you a deal, Red zone is $ 49.95 a year:

DISH Network - 1.888.825.2557

I think you must have joined mid-season, as the 24.95 is the half-season price like I said.

Ok, off my soap box but I would recommend you give FiOs a try or visit a friend who has it. It is a great value.

ReD Zone is only on during Football season, so Not quite sure why you would pay E* $49.95 per year. I pay $6 per month for 4 months. After that Football is over . If you would have read what you posted, you would have seen that $49.95 is for the Multi sports pack for the year which includes Red Zone Channel. And as far as Download speed and upload speeds, Its only as good as your equipment.

**grydlok** · 11-21-2009 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by Hemi 6.1

ReD Zone is only on during Football season, so Not quite sure why you would pay E* $49.95 per year. I pay $6 per month for 4 months. After that Football is over. And as far as Download speed and upload speeds, Its only as good as your equipment.

Verizon FIOS speeds are as accurate as they come. 25/15 is what it is.

**ranmic** · 11-21-2009 09:38 PM

When I lived in VA I had FIOS and I have to admit that the clarity was great and the INTERNET speeds were better than advertised. I do miss it, but seeing as how NH does have offer FIOS I went with DTV and I love it too. I never plan on switching back to CABLE, but if I was forced to FIOS, I would be fine with it.

**madmadworld** · 11-22-2009 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by Hemi 6.1

So $230 per month.

Vonage is $33 per month Unlimited long distance, call forward, caller ID as well as a limited international package.
.

Hemi
that is the 24.95 + taxes right ?
thanks

**Hemi 6.1** · 11-22-2009 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by madmadworld

Hemi
that is the 24.95 + taxes right ?
thanks

Yes, The $33 per month thats including the taxes and fees for my state.
Verizon Couldn't Touch that price with their phone service.
Thats why I switch to Vonage. I have a Basic Fax line with Verizon for my business, and it cost me $24 per month with Verizon. When I decide to Change my Business number , I'll be using Vonage for my Fax as well for $9.99 per month.