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    Quote Originally Posted by sddtvtech View Post
    yah you can do that, ive done attic installs so when i do that, i throw in 50 ft of cable to throw off voltage abit, especially if youre using copper clad steel and the recievers are basically 20 ft or bit more from the dish.




    right down to the number!

    Directv In House strictly follows numbers over performance. if your performance is good, then your numbers should be low in SINs. but when it comes to faulty equipment or weather..

    i once had a 6.2% SIN rate when the cold hit hard and snow... i got written up for it. it can NOT be over 6.0 for more than 2 to 3 days. i was like what?

    and i once got a bad batch of equipment, especially the HDDVR where i was swapping out a few of them a week after a new install or upgrade. my SIN was at 17% and got written up for it. at that time, Corp wanted my manager to can me bc of that.


    its BS.


    as a contractor, the only thing DTV complains about is phone lines and complete rates.

    SIN was unheard of.
    I got some further insights into the copper thing & the tech controls.

    It seems the switching voltage on the SWM line is pretty high and they get better results on the dish to PI / SWM8 line. Beyond the SWM8 the runs can be standard rg6 or even rg59 (yeah I know). Anyhow the load is lower between the SWM8 and the receivers. That isn't as bad as I thought.



    Regarding the bean counter thing, those statistical results are a management tool in the rest of the world. I have little doubt I could go through a pile of WOs and make even a beginner look good just with routing decisions. And someone who was technically competent but a pain in the ass could be run out of town in a week.
    All things being equal, the numbers can indicate a competent tech. Things just are not equal so over relying on the statistics becomes a management failure.

    The last project I worked on with a statistical analysis of my work showed a 96% completion rate.The son of a bitch left town owing me $1000.00. (Frank...G call me!)

    Joe

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    My understanding that only the PI line had to be Copper core do to the higher voltage. Yes there is policy that says it should all be Copper core and then there techincal reality. that ccs was just fine for everything but the PI.

    But as the unoffical voice of the company,

    Coper Core is required for all runs on a swim setup no exceptions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stonecold View Post
    My understanding that only the PI line had to be Copper core do to the higher voltage. Yes there is policy that says it should all be Copper core and then there techincal reality. that ccs was just fine for everything but the PI.

    But as the unoffical voice of the company,

    Coper Core is required for all runs on a swim setup no exceptions.
    Stone,

    It always comes to the same thing! Directv would rather spend the extra money for the copper cable because...it is easier to say than explaining how things work and why it is important to follow certain procedures.

    So the no exceptions means all prewired residences get their systems abandoned, surface runs installed across rugs and over doors . or those techs who use the prewire may not get paid.

    Joe

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