Nice to see the new HD channels are on

**bowens** · 08-16-2007 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by Cornstalkk

Has anyone had any luck with the program guide containing programming information (the new HD channels of course)? Some on mine still say No program guide data or something. Just wondering.

Mine all have programming data. They did first thing yesterday morning when I got up.

**nazz** · 08-16-2007 02:36 PM

I'd really like to see people advising which shows on all of the new channels are real HD and look good to them. With the guide showing (HD) for everything, it's difficult to know what shows to record and admire.

**8bitbytes** · 08-16-2007 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by nazz

I'd really like to see people advising which shows on all of the new channels are real HD and look good to them. With the guide showing (HD) for everything, it's difficult to know what shows to record and admire.

I set mine to record Deadliest Catch (HD) today. I'm anxious to see how good it looks. I heard they went through several HD cameras when filming the show.

**tigerfan33** · 08-17-2007 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by Cornstalkk

Has anyone had any luck with the program guide containing programming information (the new HD channels of course)? Some on mine still say No program guide data or something. Just wondering.

I wish the guide would do a better job to let us know if we are watching true hd not just streched. The new discovery hd had a couple of true ones and so did Science and tlc. I didnt see anything on Animal Planet that was true hd.

**8bitbytes** · 08-17-2007 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by tigerfan33

I wish the guide would do a better job to let us know if we are watching true hd not just streched. The new discovery hd had a couple of true ones and so did Science and tlc. I didnt see anything on Animal Planet that was true hd.

Actually, I don't think anything on Dish is "True" HD, but I understand your point. I don't think that is going to happen though. Those who know it is not really HD are the minority in the viewing world.

**richiephx** · 08-17-2007 01:30 PM

Has E* switched over the remaining 9 VOOM channels to MPEG4 yet?

**kstuart** · 08-17-2007 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by 8bitbytes

Actually, I don't think anything on Dish is "True" HD, but I understand your point. I don't think that is going to happen though. Those who know it is not really HD are the minority in the viewing world.

What you are calling True HD has never been broadcast and never will.
That's because MPEG2 and MPEG4 throw out various parts of the picture in order to compress the signal. All digital TV broadcasts do that.
In reality, the PQ difference between any two different HD broadcasts is quantitative, not qualitative.
(BTW, "True HD" is a term used in the industry to indicate video that is not upconverted.)

**Don Landis** · 08-17-2007 02:22 PM

Kstuart- Thanks. It about time others besides me start educating the parrots who really don't know the difference. Unfortunately, so many still don't get it and really do think all HDTV has to be the big number.
I'm happy with qualitative, and complain about HD lite when the image is said to be HD but looks worse than DVD. As it was on DirecTV's channels a year ago. They have since improved last I checked.

I got home yesterday so all I could do was look at them with sling box. Even on it I was quite impressed and immediately took a liking to the science HD channel. When I got home last night, I saw many issues with these channels as were described in this threads with the frame area. I trust these new guys to HDTV will get it right.

Scott- There are specific broadcast standards (SMPTE) for placement of static graphics on a frame structure. It is true that if an SD commercial were to be "upconverted / stretched using several of the methods built into equipment these SMPTE standards would now be in violation. Again as time passes these issues will work themselves out.

**digiblur** · 08-17-2007 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by richiephx

Has E* switched over the remaining 9 VOOM channels to MPEG4 yet?

Watch the reports
http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-net...18-2007-a.html

**skyviewmark** · 08-17-2007 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Don Landis

I'm happy with qualitative, and complain about HD lite when the image is said to be HD but looks worse than DVD.

Personally, I have not seen any HD programming that looks worse than DVD. I am not talking about stretched or upconverted.. But anything that I get that was produced as HD looks a heck of a lot better than DVD.. I don't even like watching DVD's any more because they just don't look as good as my HD..
I sure as heck don't look forward to replaceing my 500 DVD's with HD-DVD's but I can't stand to watch any of them.