Nice to see the new HD channels are on

**drdroo** · 08-20-2007 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by RockinHARD26

Just think if Dish would convert the adult paid channels to HD quality. You'll be in heaven. hehe

It's not really an adult movie without the haze and shaky handycam look. In HD or using studio cameras we call it a 'movie on Cinemax'.

**8bitbytes** · 08-21-2007 12:14 AM

Originally Posted by kstuart

Actually you clearly have never done so, because it certainly is.

No, 1440x1080 is not HD. It might be marketed as such and you might be able to produce something that says it is used for 4:3 format at 1080 lines but it's not HD.

It might be fine for viewing and most people will never know the difference, but that is not the question here.

**drdroo** · 08-21-2007 12:18 AM

1280x720 is considered HD, why wouldn't 1440x1080?

High-definition television - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

**8bitbytes** · 08-21-2007 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by drdroo

1280x720 is considered HD, why wouldn't 1440x1080?

High-definition television - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nowhere on your reference page and nowhere anywhere is 1440x1080 listed as a standard resolution accepted by ATSC Committee into the standard or by SMPTE as an HD resolution. It's NOT the standard, that's the point here.

Now, it is a compromise based on bandwidth and technical limitations that once existed, and it is a higher definition resolution that satellite broadcasters are using today.

BUT:

Go look at that graphic on your link again. 1440 x 1080 is not on it.

The standard says that for 1080 lines of resolution, the horizontal spec is 1920. 1440 is a compromise and is USED for HD broadcasts and recordings, but, it is not the standard. That's why many have come to call it HD-Lite, since it is used but is not a specified standard.

Just because the label says Gucci doesn't mean it is.

I'm sure there are things in your life where you do not accept a watered down version as authentic. You just don't on this subject, and that is up to you.

**mdonnelly** · 08-21-2007 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by drdroo

1280x720 is considered HD, why wouldn't 1440x1080?

High-definition television - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe because that's 720p vs. 1080i?

**Geronimo** · 08-21-2007 09:08 AM

Yes but 1440 x 1080 is still HD---kust not full 1080i

**drdroo** · 08-21-2007 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by 8bitbytes

Nowhere on your reference page and nowhere anywhere is 1440x1080 listed as a standard resolution accepted by ATSC Committee into the standard or by SMPTE as an HD resolution. It's NOT the standard, that's the point here.

My point is that it's between two HD standard resolutions. If the gas standard for the car is "89 or 93 octane" then odds are 91 is acceptable too, since it sits between.

I'm sure there are things in your life where you do not accept a watered down version as authentic. You just don't on this subject, and that is up to you.

Yknow. If you're going to be this bitter, I suggest you shoot a laser pointer in your eyes to degrade them to the point that you can be remotely happy. It's like with the people who claim they can only tolerate sound from 3000$ CD players. I'd go to a Heavy Metal concert and sit in the front row in hopes to be able to be happy about innovatins such as satellite radio.

I accept what the carrier gives me. If it were a problem, I'd switch away instead of the incessant whining and belittling of other peoples thoughts and opinions on the topic here.

You must be a blast to be around. "The Wine is 5 degrees warmer from being chilled. My steak is not medium rare, it's rare/medium rare. And lastly, Wife, only hookers wear lipstick."

**drdroo** · 08-21-2007 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by Geronimo

Yes but 1440 x 1080 is still HD---kust not full 1080i

It sits between 1280x720 and 1920x1080 on the graphic on the Wikipedia entry. If 1280x720 is HD, and 1920x1080 (2073600 pixels) is HD, then 1440x1080 certainly should be considered HD. It certainly isn't 480i or 480p.

Could it be better? Sure things always could be better. But when (as been pointed out in the past) the vast majority of people are not using a 60" 1080p plasma, or the fact many DLPs that people own are 720p (actual, even if they have a 1080i input mode), We won't even get into that travesty known as Light Beer Plasmas (1024x768) that even brand name vendors sell.

I don't think people realize that it's about catering to the most people. I do think these bitter individuals would be happier with losing or never having several channels in HD if it meant that some crap channel was in 1080i.

I saw that kind of nonsense over at Sirius Backstage too. Some people'd rather have 10 channels in super high fidelity. Of course, everyone wants to pick WHICH channels those are....

**8bitbytes** · 08-21-2007 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by drdroo

Yknow. If you're going to be this bitter, I suggest you shoot a laser pointer in your eyes to degrade them to the point that you can be remotely happy. It's like with the people who claim they can only tolerate sound from 3000$ CD players. I'd go to a Heavy Metal concert and sit in the front row in hopes to be able to be happy about innovatins such as satellite radio.

I accept what the carrier gives me. If it were a problem, I'd switch away instead of the incessant whining and belittling of other peoples thoughts and opinions on the topic here.

You must be a blast to be around. "The Wine is 5 degrees warmer from being chilled. My steak is not medium rare, it's rare/medium rare. And lastly, Wife, only hookers wear lipstick."

Y'Know, if you are going to make assumptions about people because they don't agee with you, you might be surprised to find out they are nothing like your insults and personal attacks tend to indicate.

I am not bitter, negative, whining, or belittling anyone and my wife is not a hooker.

The STANDARD SAYS... It doesn't matter what marketing or even you say.

I have said several times now that I don't have a problem with that resolution and am fine with watching it. Go back and read the conversation again and understand the context of the discussion, not your attitude toward anyone who doesn't agree with you.

**drdroo** · 08-21-2007 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by 8bitbytes

I am not bitter, negative, whining, or belittling anyone and my wife is not a hooker.

I never suggested she was!. Perhaps you should reread what I said. I inferred that you must be pedantic purely because of your attitude on this topic and unwillingness to believe that there may be other skews.

The standard doesn't say HD is 1024x768 but yet there are "HD Plasmas" out there being sold as such. HD is higher than SD by design. 1440x1080 most definitely is not SD, so it must be HD, especially since it sits between two HD res's.

The concept of 'standard' has been killed, largely by this marketing and companies you speak of. Otherwise they would've gotten it right the FIRST time. Instead we have 720p, 480p, 1080i, 1080p, then we have the XGA based Plasmas, etc.

The problem is bigger than Dish Network.