Newbee Quesiton - HD channels twice

[pmgreen]

I just got a 722 and noticed the HD channels are listed twice. For example ESPN HD is 140 and 9xxx. The content seems to be the same so my question is what is the difference? Is one better than the other?

Thanks

[ncted]

They are the same channel, just listed twice. The 9xxx channel is the real channel number. 140 is just what it is mapped down to, so it is easier to find with the other ESPN channels.

Ted

[highdefjeff]

Software on the receiver takes the channels from those high numbers and moves them to the place in your guide where you're likely to expect them. Locals, for example, are moved down to the numbers that you are used to seeing them.

[Hall]

What was probably happening was a customer knew Dish offered ESPN HD or Showtime HD but expected them to be in the same area as the other ESPN or Showtime channels. They'd tune to regular ESPN and think they were watching "HD". Dish had to dumb down the program guide two ways: One, adding the HD watermark over the channel number and two, putting the two right next to each other, even with the same channel number.

[Ilya]

It's a good thing they did it. With so many SD channels going HD these days you don't have to memorize all those new 4-digit numbers.

[steve4810]

What was probably happening was a customer knew Dish offered ESPN HD or Showtime HD but expected them to be in the same area as the other ESPN or Showtime channels. They'd tune to regular ESPN and think they were watching "HD". Dish had to dumb down the program guide two ways: One, adding the HD watermark over the channel number and two, putting the two right next to each other, even with the same channel number.

I don't see how you figure it is "dumbing down". The channel numbers are total artifice anyway. As long as they have to pull a number out of their butt why not pick one that makes sense to the viewing public?

By the way anyone: Is it possible or likely that other than making massive favorites lists that there will be an option to delete the extra nonsense 9000 numbers?

[Hall]

You can't do anything to the pre-defined lists, i.e. All Chan, All Sub, All HD, and so on.

I do call it dumbing down. People clearly couldn't find the HD channels up in the 9000-range. Remember, thousands and thousands of customers, Dish's included, hook their 311 receivers up to their new HDTVs and "they're watching HD now".

[grape8pe]

I don't see how you figure it is "dumbing down". The channel numbers are total artifice anyway. As long as they have to pull a number out of their butt why not pick one that makes sense to the viewing public?

By the way anyone: Is it possible or likely that other than making massive favorites lists that there will be an option to delete the extra nonsense 9000 numbers?

You can lock the channels then select "hide locked channels". When you do that they don't appear in any of the menus.

[KAB]

TO GET RID OF DUPLICATES in All HD guide, Menu/System Setup/Local Channels/Chan Display...List HD Channels...Disable.

[BFG]

but that will remove the map downs which is fine with me, but the orig poster seems to prefer them