Hauppauge HD PVR Model 1212...is this the answer?

[kcir1957]

Someone mentioned this in another post and wondered if it deserved it's own thread? Supposed to be shipping this month. Let me state upfront that I'm nowhere near as knowledgable as most of you on here, so if I mis-state, forgive me and point me in the right direction. From what I gather the Hauppauge HD PVR Model 1212 (retails for $250) can record 720p and 1080i via component input with loop through out (does this mean watch as you record?) and connects to pc via usb. It supposedly can record in blu ray format to a standard disk for play back on blu ray players. Rumor also is that you would need an already issued blu ray player to avoid an "ICT flag" which would reduce resolution output. I have quicktime alternative on my pc's which allow my media player and media center to play h.264 movies renamed as .hdmov with a couple of registry changes. So it seems that this might be a way to get dish hd to our pc's. Other question would be how to use media center as the main dvr/pvr?

[DISH_NC]

This would work until DISH is forced to implement DRM Downrezzing on the non-HDCP compliant outputs (ie. Component) and only the HDMI outputs would support anything over 480i on certain programs.

Until that happens, this is a very compelling device.

[kcir1957]

Even then one could use a hdmi to component adapter, or dvi to component and hdmi to dvi, as well as any entry level scaler.

[kstuart]

What is the question ?

Right now, I click in the Onscreen Guide, and it is recorded digitally to my Dish HD-DVR.

If I fill up the HD-DVR, I can move the recording to an external hard drive (Note that now with the Thermaltake BlacX, you can just use "internal" SATA drives).

What you are describing is yet another way to spend 10 hours fiddling to get 2 hours of programming. A step backwards...

[Building]

What is the question ?

Right now, I click in the Onscreen Guide, and it is recorded digitally to my Dish HD-DVR.

If I fill up the HD-DVR, I can move the recording to an external hard drive (Note that now with the Thermaltake BlacX, you can just use "internal" SATA drives).

What you are describing is yet another way to spend 10 hours fiddling to get 2 hours of programming. A step backwards...

But if this works, he could burn it to a BD and watch it wherever he wanted.

[harshness]

Even then one could use a hdmi to component adapter, or dvi to component and hdmi to dvi, as well as any entry level scaler.

The issue is that these adapters that you speak of generally don't support HDCP which would render them useless in the event that there was a copy flag on the content.

[kcir1957]

As I stated, I'm nowhere near as knowledgable as most of you on here. As for the Thermaltake BlacX, even though it's sata it still limited to transfers at a max rate the same as usb 2.0 so I'm not sure of the significant benefits...please advise me to it's benefits. What I am trying or would like to try to accomplish (as many others it seems) is to:

1. Be able to record hd to my pc for numerous reasons. By using a device such as the Hauppauge HD PVR Model 1212 it appears that one does not even have to deal with linux encryption I believe.

2. MCE is much more user friendly with many more features than our dvr's (not that I'm not happy to have my 622 and 722). So if I could use the programming guide/dvr built into MCE, it would be even better IMHO.

I'm not sure how you're calculating another 10hrs to get 2 hours of programming? As for the Hauppauge HD PVR, I believe you just connect the component out of the stb to component input and connect component output to hdtv with usb connected to pc or laptop and record hd to computer in a file monitored by MCE and play as desired. Is this wrong?

[kcir1957]

The issue is that these adapters that you speak of generally don't support HDCP which would render them useless in the event that there was a copy flag on the content.

That's why you get a blu ray player before the "ICT Flag" is enacted.

[steve4810]

The issue is that these adapters that you speak of generally don't support HDCP which would render them useless in the event that there was a copy flag on the content.

I can bear witness to this.

Cox Cable San Diego has exclusive rights to Padre games and while the cable box has both component and hdmi outputs IF the hdmi is connected to a HDTV that is turned on, the component goes to 480i letter box mode (another words NOT HD). And when I tried an hdmi splitter to use two TVs at the same time, as soon as the second TV was turned on a message would flash about HDCP violation and all outputs go black.

This is happening on a low price Scientific Atlanta STB.

HDCP is a serious pain in the ass when enabled.

[sclaws]

I should be able to comment in a few weeks....I did preorder a 1212 and also purchased a SP180-HD4 HDMI to component converter. Hauppage said they hope to ship by the mid/end of May as there's some sort of stock issue with the ext housings for the boards.

The HDMI converter if anyone is curious:

http://cgi.ebay.com/SP1080HD4-HDMI-t...QQcmdZViewItem

Not sure this will be foolproof but its something to try...I geek out with stuff like this