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    Post Closing arguments as DISH Network, NDS trial ends

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    Well it will be interesting to see how this plays out.. If News Corp looses I see that percentage mark going way down..


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    I just don't understand why D* would want to encourage theft of E*'s signal......when people are getting pay-tv for free, the entire market loses potential subs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyhi View Post
    I just don't understand why D* would want to encourage theft of E*'s signal......when people are getting pay-tv for free, the entire market loses potential subs
    It is not DirecTV that was encouraging E* signal theft. It was NDS. NDS supplies security for DirecTV.

    At the time that NDS leaked the Nagra codes on the internet DirecTV was in talks with Nagra about dumping NDS and going with Nagra for their security. (you have to remember until NDS leaked the code the Nagra security was very secure)

    So with DirecTV in talks with Nagra about switching to Nagra for their CAS you can see why NDS would want to leak the code.

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    So will a win mean that Dish will have the money to get all of the HD that is available???
    {No more SD} SD should be outlawed--Only HD please!!!

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    And guess who owned NDS?





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    Quote Originally Posted by crappieguy View Post
    And guess who owned NDS?





    MURDOCH
    We all know who owns NDS.

    I find it kinda funny that Rupe would not testify.

    And that Abe Peled left country after giving an affidavit, and refuses to return to testify.

    Abe is the CEO of NDS.

    Sure looks like they stepped in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crappieguy View Post
    And guess who owned NDS?





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    Crappie,


    Murdoch got schooled a couple of times by Ergen. The Biggest was Dish getting all the Hardware (Satellites), Uplink Centers and 29 FCC Transponder Licenses at the 110 orbital slot, for a proposed DBS service called "Sky" to compete with DirecTV and Dish Network. What is funny though is that Murdoch became very disenchanted with DirecTV after becoming the owner, after selling out his interest in DirecTV he referred to DirecTV as a "Turd Bird".

    Before selling his ownership stake in DirecTV, Murdoch did use his ownership stake at DirecTV and his a Few of his Affiliated FOX Television stations to remove Dish as a competitor for delivering Distant Networks.

    Dish was found to be violating a legal statue that allowed them to distribute Distant Network signals. The NAB was at one point suing Dish because it was found that Dish had a number of subscribers receiving Distant Network signals that should not have qualified for them. During the trial Dish had an agreement in principal with all the Affiliates of NBC, ABC, and NBC, although a small number of Fox affiliates would NOT sign on, hence breaking the deal. It was Murdoch's stations that single handedly killed this deal. When Murdoch gained ownership of DirecTV the FCC required a condition of the deal be that Muchdoch would NOT use his new company's vertical integration to restrict services to competitors.

    While I agree that Dish was violating the Distant Services clause they had an agreement with all but a few News Corp Affiliates. News Corp's decision to not sign onto this agreement, forced Dish to stop selling Distant Services. In one fell swoop News Corp owned DirecTV became the ONLY national provider with the ability to sell Distant Network Services. Seems to me that Murdoch welched on his promise to the FCC.

    If, News Corp owned, NDS is found guilty of corrupting the Nagra Conditional Access system code, this could give Dish a lot of leverage to gain concessions from News Corp over their owned networks carriage by Dish Network.

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    I wonder if the history between E* and Murdoch was included in testimony to support premeditation and vindictiveness?
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    [quote=JohnL;1351464]Crappie,


    "Murdoch got schooled a couple of times by Ergen. "

    This could indeed be a battle between men and not companies. Two powerful men - both in control of their organizations and Ergen looking for revenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnL
    While I agree that Dish was violating the Distant Services clause they had an agreement with all but a few News Corp Affiliates. News Corp's decision to not sign onto this agreement, forced Dish to stop selling Distant Services.
    That is actually untrue.

    The problem here was that the higher court (the Court of Appeals) mandated that the lower court issue a permanent injunction. Fox/NewsCorp/Murdoch did not sabotage anything.

    It was because of this mandate that Dish Network offered to settle the case. It was too little, too late, as the mandate for an injunction trumped the settlement. One has to remember that before the proposed settlement, the affiliate boards of all four major networks DID ask the Court of Appeals for the distant "death penalty". They got what they wanted, until Dish Network tried to settle.

    Now the affilate boards of the four major networks are also trying to prevent the distant networks on All America Direct through NPS.

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