VOOM Goes BOOM - update Dish Drops all 15 VOOM Channels

**Weezknight** · 05-21-2008 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by 8bitbytes

The poll here, http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-hd-...-what-now.html, shows 65% are disappointed or unhappy and only 35% didn't care or were fine with Voom going away.

Even though people were unhappy (a lot of which seem to only be unhappy because of the way E* went about this), that poll still shows that 75% aren't switching from Dish. That number becomes 92% when you add in the people who would only switch if D* gets VOOM, which is highly unlikely.

I don't think anyone is telling you that you don't have the right to be upset. But the number of people actually bailing on E* is not what you believe it is.

**rey_1178** · 05-21-2008 07:42 AM

Let it go

voom rip. god!

**Tokafatty** · 05-21-2008 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by M Sparks

OK, I agree with your definition of 2 years then ('88-'90). But I disagree with your 4-6 years of viability. I could buy or rent Betamax movies in 1977, and I could buy or rent them in 1990.

Betamax also had a life in the late 80's as an audiophile product, as you could record PCM audio to it.

If there's one thing BetaMax vs VHS taught us, it's the ability of Americans to rally around an inferior product just because they're told to.

The fact that you could buy or rent them in 1977 and 1990 does not make them a viable solution for home video recording. It just means they were available, which I did not argue. Betamax in 1990 was far from a viable solution. We are talking about home video recording - it is not "viable" to use Betamax when you can't take it to any friends house and playback what you recorded, unless you plan on dragging your recording/playback equipment with you. If every one of my friends has a VHS VCR, the only viable solution is VHS.

Anyway, this has nothing to do with VOOM, so let's end this convo.

**Mojo** · 05-21-2008 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by Weezknight

Even though people were unhappy (a lot of which seem to only be unhappy because of the way E* went about this), that poll still shows that 75% aren't switching from Dish. That number becomes 92% when you add in the people who would only switch if D* gets VOOM, which is highly unlikely.

I don't think anyone is telling you that you don't have the right to be upset. But the number of people actually bailing on E* is not what you believe it is.

Most people hate change, Dish could do any underhanded thing it wants and 75% of people would not switch from Dish. Dish counts on this

Me? I have to much invested right now in purchase hardware to just jump up and leave Dishnet. But if one of the other 3 providers pick up Voom.....I will take the Financial hit

**hendrix04** · 05-21-2008 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by M Sparks

OK, I agree with your definition of 2 years then ('88-'90). But I disagree with your 4-6 years of viability. I could buy or rent Betamax movies in 1977, and I could buy or rent them in 1990.

Betamax also had a life in the late 80's as an audiophile product, as you could record PCM audio to it.

If there's one thing BetaMax vs VHS taught us, it's the ability of Americans to rally around an inferior product just because they're told to.

Not to hijack the thread, but the HD-DVD vs bluray war taught us the same thing... Go america with inferior (and more expensive) products!

**Tokafatty** · 05-21-2008 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by hendrix04

Not to hijack the thread, but the HD-DVD vs bluray war taught us the same thing... Go america with inferior (and more expensive) products!

No it didn't. It taught us that corporate overlords are hard to beat. Betamax vs VHS may have been decided by the consumers, however, HD-DVD vs BluRay was decided by the movie studios.

**M Sparks** · 05-21-2008 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Tokafatty

The fact that you could buy or rent them in 1977 and 1990 does not make them a viable solution for home video recording. It just means they were available, which I did not argue. Betamax in 1990 was far from a viable solution. We are talking about home video recording - it is not "viable" to use Betamax when you can't take it to any friends house and playback what you recorded, unless you plan on dragging your recording/playback equipment with you. If every one of my friends has a VHS VCR, the only viable solution is VHS.

Anyway, this has nothing to do with VOOM, so let's end this convo.

OK, but one last point...I always made recordings for MY use. Why on earth would my friend's choice of inferior equipment influence my buying decision? If my recordings are so great that everyone wants to borrow them, then they can buy what I have.

That said, my life would certainly be easier if everyone used the same formats for everything. In my office, I have a DVD player, a VHS player, a SuperVHS recorder, two MiniDV decks, 1 HDV deck, 1 Digital8/Hi8 deck, 1 Video-8 deck, 1 Betacam SP recorder, an audio cassette recorder, a 4-track Mini-Disc recorder, 5 DVD burners, a CD burner, and a Pro-HD player. (plays HD-WMV and HD-MPEG-2 files). Oh, and a slide scanner.

And I'm sure I'll be offering Blu-Ray before 2009.

**M Sparks** · 05-21-2008 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by hendrix04

Not to hijack the thread, but the HD-DVD vs bluray war taught us the same thing... Go america with inferior (and more expensive) products!

??? How is Blu-Ray inferior to HD-DVD?

I'm honestly asking. For once, I didn't hop on the early adopter bandwagon, so I don't have any experience with either. But on paper, Blu-Ray is better.

I was really surprised at the outcome actually. Not only was Blu-Ray better, but HD-DVD has the simple name recognition. I was sure Blu-Ray would get stomped.