Team Summit: General Assembly Notes

**kb7oeb** · 05-18-2008 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by Tyralak

Did they state that, or is it speculation. I know that's the general consensus as to why we haven't had it already, but do the specs show exactly what kind of tuner?

ATSC modulator worked on the Dish 5000 because the video was already MPEG2. Since Dish is now using MPEG4 they would have to also convert it

**drdroo** · 05-18-2008 02:07 AM

Originally Posted by JTBenson

I didn't say that it wasn't in your package. My point is that Big 10 is as much a national channel as HBO is because both are in packages that are available nationally. Big10 has more HD than other some other National HD channels.

Anyone can get it, if they pay... so I agree with you.

**Hall** · 05-18-2008 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by drdroo

I do feel that any 24/7 channel that you can get for money, should be counted as a channel. It doesn't matter if it's in a different package or not.

They (and any provider) has to be able to count packages like that. It's not their "fault" if a customer chooses not to subscribe to a package that doesn't include. It is available to them though. Some could argue Dish only has "x" number of HD channels based on a customer having AT100+HD.

To count regional channels that are not available to everyone is flat out wrong and misleading. If they're going to count them, they'd better give it to customers who call and upgrade to get them (and will pay additionally).

**xtop** · 05-18-2008 11:06 AM

did i just see a 722 with sling and a 1tb drive??

so what should we expect to upgrade to that do you think? and are we still stuck with only recording 2 hd sources

**dangue** · 05-18-2008 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by drdroo

THe claims of calling it a channel when it isn't 24/7, I agree, is rather faulty. However, they count channels like Cinemax, HBO, Starz as National HD and those require another package too.

I do feel that any 24/7 channel that you can get for money, should be counted as a channel. It doesn't matter if it's in a different package or not.

Come on... what's the difference between 24/7 National HD channel like Travel Channel HD that only shows HD part of the time and upconverted SD the rest of the time and a non-24/7 RSN that is only turned on when there is HD content?

To me in terms of HD, that amounts to the same thing (although the SD on the HD channel is bound to look a little better).

My only issue with the count is when those RSNs only show HD for professional sporting events that can't be seen out of market and Dish doesn't offer a sports package that will allow people nationwide to get around the blackouts. Then it's not a matter of the customer choosing not to pay for access to an HD channel, it's that they can't access the HD on that channel at all.

In that scenario, I think counting the RSN is flawed.

**drdroo** · 05-18-2008 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by dangue

Come on... what's the difference between 24/7 National HD channel like Travel Channel HD that only shows HD part of the time and upconverted SD the rest of the time and a non-24/7 RSN that is only turned on when there is HD content?

NESN (and other RSNs) have other HD programming besides games that is never viewable by us because of the game only HD. I definitely do not think you get to call it a 'channel' when you're only getting just games in HD.

In other words, we're not getting a channel, we're getting a selected show on a channel for that point in time. This isn't any different than an 'alternate' channel. Are we going to start counting those too?

Heck there's other games on NESN HD that they don't show on the NESN HD Dish feed, they might as well call it "Red Sox in High Def", which I'd still not call a 'channel'.

I do agree with you that it isn't a 'national HD channel' unless you can get it nationally, for any cost.

EDIT: And yes I am aware Bruins games are also on NESN.. But that's pretty much it. They had a replay Mothers Day Red Sox game the other day and it wasn't on NESN HD. We're talking about a channel thats on for basically two teams.

**kstuart** · 05-18-2008 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by drdroo

NESN (and other RSNs) have other HD programming besides games that is never viewable by us because of the game only HD.

Such as what ?

**drdroo** · 05-18-2008 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by kstuart

Such as what ?

Like the legacy and replay games that are in HD that they don't show us on NESN HD on Dish. Like Sportsdesk, Ultimate Red Sox Show, those are both in HD as far as I know. I believe several other shows are in HD too now or will be shortly.

When they had the overseas games I'd tune in for the replay, would've been nice if THOSE were in HD since they were early in the morning on the first run.

Sure I realize I could DVR the live game and play it back, but it's still HD content that is over the air that we're missing out on.

**M Sparks** · 05-18-2008 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by vegassatellite

Usually, when the customer calls me with programming changes, I'll write down what they want and tell them their salesman will call them back to confirm it. Then I call the salesman and he can call DISH and call back the customer.

I can see your point here, but I still maintain that anyone that would call you to COMPLAIN about the removal of channels is an idiot. I mean, I suppose it's about as useful as calling a CSR...they can't do anything either.

I've never used an installer, so I didn't know you could handle ordering programming.

**Tyralak** · 05-18-2008 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by M Sparks

I can see your point here, but I still maintain that anyone that would call you to COMPLAIN about the removal of channels is an idiot. I mean, I suppose it's about as useful as calling a CSR...they can't do anything either.

I've never used an installer, so I didn't know you could handle ordering programming.

The most we can do, is call the CSR for the customer and ask they add whatever programming the customer wants. It's exactly the same as if the customer called.