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    Quote Originally Posted by Geronimo View Post
    Neither. You are supposed to be mad at DISH for dropping VOOM. Nothing else matters. Why are you talking about stairs and shoelaces when we are ina VOOMless world? Will you find VOOM at the top of the stairs? Just wear loafers and stay on the first floor till VOOM comes back. if you don't like that you are free to go somewhere else-----unless you need sy=tairs or shoelaces to get there. those are forbidden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scots View Post
    Nobody forced you to spend $2,000 on a TV, and nobody forced you to agree to a 2 year commitment. A 2 year commitment was offered in exchange for a discount, and you agreed. You didn't have to do it.
    I can't speak for the original poster, but when I switched to Dish about two years ago, the CSR made it seem as though I had to sign a 2 year contract. Fortunately, I research such decisions more thoroughly than anyone should be expected to, so I knew better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geronimo View Post
    Neither. You are supposed to be mad at DISH for dropping VOOM. Nothing else matters. Why are you talking about stairs and shoelaces when we are ina VOOMless world? Will you find VOOM at the top of the stairs? Just wear loafers and stay on the first floor till VOOM comes back. if you don't like that you are free to go somewhere else-----unless you need sy=tairs or shoelaces to get there. those are forbidden.
    The guy at Payless made me sign a 2 year commitment to wear top-siders.


    And I called Otis about installing an elevator, but my two year apartment lease has restrictions on installing conveyance devices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geronimo View Post
    First you hve to prove that they actually did something thst their contract with you did not allow them to.
    I'm certainly not advocating the lawsuit idea, but musn't there be some limits to what Dish can do? I mean, if they had a contract clause that allows them to cut off my finger it they don't like the way I channel surf, and I foolishly sign it, do they really have the right to my finger? On a more practical level, If they removed all but one channel, would I still be bound by my contract?

    Contracts can be nullified and it would also seem that there has to be some limit to how much Dish can cut service before they're not holding up their end of the contract... Ironically, isn't this what Dish is doing to Voom in this whole situation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by elee532 View Post
    I'm certainly not advocating the lawsuit idea, but musn't there be some limits to what Dish can do? I mean, if they had a contract clause that allows them to cut off my finger it they don't like the way I channel surf, and I foolishly sign it, do they really have the right to my finger? On a more practical level, If they removed all but one channel, would I still be bound by my contract?

    Contracts can be nullified and it would also seem that there has to be some limit to how much Dish can cut service before they're not holding up their end of the contract... Ironically, isn't this what Dish is doing to Voom in this whole situation?


    First of all the two situations are not comparable. Second I sign contracts all the time but I would never sign one that gives the other party the right to cut off my finger. Even if I did that would make it a contract for an illegal purpose (surprisingly the law frowns on finger cutting) so it would be invalid. But dropping VOOM and replacing it with other channels is not illegal so that particular argument wil not work.


    Even your argument about cutting it to one channels is not what happened. So why even make the argument? These consumer contracts are horribly one sided. But that does not mean that they are invalid. But let's not exaggerate the reduction in channels or compare it to cutting off people's fingers.

    In this case there is explicit language that allows them to do this. If you think I am wrong go right ahead and join the lawsuit. But it si getting way too late to deal with this
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    Quote Originally Posted by M Sparks View Post
    The guy at Payless made me sign a 2 year commitment to wear top-siders.


    And I called Otis about installing an elevator, but my two year apartment lease has restrictions on installing conveyance devices.

    Can I get the soles without the shoes?






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    The object here as I see it would be less that one could win the lawsuit than the restoration of VOOM. That would be more likely to happen if it is shown (as in the case of a lawsuit) that there are a large number of customers very unhappy with what has happened. The bad publicity for Dish is what is most likely to be the best outcome to get E* to relent. Please Geronimo use spell check so we can enjoy what you are saying.

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    Lawsuits are indeed for the weak! That's what law is for, not the strong and powerful. A class action lawsuit would probably not succeed but if a pro-bono attorney could be found the adverse publicity would be a potent weapon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geronimo View Post
    First of all the two situations are not comparable. Second I sign contracts all the time but I would never sign one that gives the other party the right to cut off my finger. Even if I did that would make it a contract for an illegal purpose (surprisingly the law frowns on finger cutting) so it would be invalid. But dropping VOOM and replacing it with other channels is not illegal so that particular argument wil not work.


    Even your argument about cutting it to one channels is not what happened. So why even make the argument? These consumer contracts are horribly one sided. But that does not mean that they are invalid. But let's not exaggerate the reduction in channels or compare it to cutting off people's fingers.

    In this case there is explicit language that allows them to do this. If you think I am wrong go right ahead and join the lawsuit. But it si getting way too late to deal with this

    My premise was simply that there must be some limits to what they can do. Where's the line? Seriously.

    Again, I'm not in favor of a lawsuit here. I am curious though, if you are so annoyed by this discussion as your last few sentences lead me to believe, why continue to follow the thread and participate in the conversation?

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    Even if a class action lawsuit was successful, the lawyers get the big bucks and we would get $1 off PPV coupons.

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