Tivo hearing today?

**Stew** · 10-06-2008 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Tyralak

I hope not. Other than me not having a job if that happens, Tivo won't have many people left to extort.

It's hardly extortion if they won the case........Get over it.

**Scott Greczkowski** · 10-06-2008 05:03 PM

This is not a big surprise, I don't think Dish actually ever expected to be heard by the Supreme Court.

I am wondering however if Dish feels that they may lose the software dispute as well as I am hearing rumors that Dish has discontinued all standard definition DVR's. I am hearing new customers will be 622's instead of a SD DVR. (which to me would suck if you are a customer who only watches SD and dosen't have an HD set, as I am sure Dish will charge the customers the HD equipment fees each month.

Dish needs some good PR and needs it now. Unfortunately I don't see any light from the end of the tunnel.

**VegasVoomer** · 10-06-2008 05:16 PM

What's the difference in the way an SD DVR works and an HD DVR? In fact what's the difference in the way Dish's DVR works and the way any cable co. or Direc's DVR? Do they not all do the same thing and work the same as a Tivo? Why is Dish being sued and not the other guys?

**Greg Bimson** · 10-06-2008 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Scott Greczkowski

I am wondering however if Dish feels that they may lose the software dispute as well as I am hearing rumors that Dish has discontinued all standard definition DVR's. I am hearing new customers will be 622's instead of a SD DVR.

What was the last SD DVR, the 625?

Here is the issue, as simply put as possible:

DISH/SATS states they've changed their software so the receivers no longer infringe. That belief is hinged upon two issues regarding the claims and their construction in this patent case.

First, in the 50X DVR's, DISH/SATS states they no longer "parse" data, defined in the claim construction as any analysis of data. However, that "parsing" is still done in the form of PID filtering. You know, a transponder contains about 12 channels worth of data, and something has to analyze that data to form what the receiver understands as a "channel".

Second, and more important, the other claim which DISH/SATS says has been changed is automatic flow control of the data across buffers in the eight models of receivers which have been adjudicated. The claim construction for this is defined as the ability to allow the receiver to self-regulate. DISH/SATS states they no longer have any automatic flow control, but the document from outside counsel which DISH/SATS uses also says that the software must keep up with the incoming data, or in other words, find a way to self-regulate.

So it is entirely possible that the eight models of enjoined receivers that have been sold and modified since the Final Judgment and Injunction order could also be ordered disabled.

The only way around that is to start giving customers the models which have not been enjoined nor evaluated by the court, such as the 622 and 722, 612, etc.

**Jim S.** · 10-06-2008 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by Stew

It's hardly extortion if they won the case........Get over it.

Use of government power to get your way no matter how many people disagree with it is certainly extortion.

**minorthr** · 10-06-2008 06:52 PM

I'm surprised Charlie is giving up at the supreme court and they didnt put out a press release saying they were appealing to the galactic senate.

Also is this the first court case Dish has ever lost?

**Tyralak** · 10-06-2008 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by Stew

It's hardly extortion if they won the case........Get over it.

Not going to "get over" anything. What you Tivo wankers fail to realize is that is that this is more than just this one case. They somehow got a jury to believe that Dish stole something from Tivo that Tivo stole from Replay. And Tivo is going around to any company making DVRs claiming that they should be the sole arbiter of DVR technology. They somehow have made the bizarre leap of logic that they own the concept of the DVR and anyone who makes a competing product is somehow "infringing". Tivo is the Jesse Jackson of technology companies. Besides, your reply made no sense. Just because they won doesn't make it not extortion. Get a dictionary.

**rich88** · 10-06-2008 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by minorthr

I'm surprised Charlie is giving up at the supreme court and they didnt put out a press release saying they were appealing to the galactic senate.
Also is this the first court case Dish has ever lost?

LOL.

How true.

**VinceT3** · 10-06-2008 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by Jim S.

Use of government power to get your way no matter how many people disagree with it is certainly extortion.

I agree Tivo's patents are a joke and should have been tossed out ages ago.. they never made the technologies, they just learned out to make a buck from it.. that does not equate into a fricken patent..

**Stew** · 10-06-2008 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by Tyralak

Not going to "get over" anything. What you Tivo wankers fail to realize is that is that this is more than just this one case. They somehow got a jury to believe that Dish stole something from Tivo that Tivo stole from Replay. And Tivo is going around to any company making DVRs claiming that they should be the sole arbiter of DVR technology. They somehow have made the bizarre leap of logic that they own the concept of the DVR and anyone who makes a competing product is somehow "infringing". Tivo is the Jesse Jackson of technology companies. Besides, your reply made no sense. Just because they won doesn't make it not extortion. Get a dictionary.

Your reply is typical but just let me state that I'm an *E sub and don't give a hoot in hell about this mess. Charlie took a chance and lost. Again, get over it.