Tivo hearing today?

[Hall]

Do you mean that the receiver also does not function without the so-called dvr 'functionality' ( as you stated here ), or that the dvr does not function after the receiver/sat signal has been discontinued ?

The comment he responded to stated



"...when the hard disk of a 50x DVR fails, it continues to tune satellite channels just like a 301 receiver"

so no mention of removing the satellite signal comes into play.

[jacmyoung]

The court ordered the DVRs on the list to have "the DVR functions" disabled. It has two meanings:

1) Any patent lawyer will tell you "the DVR functions" stated in the order only refers to the DVR functions operated by the old infringing software, so if such DVR functions under the old software are gone, the order is obeyed. DISH did just that, they removed the DVR functions by the old software, and replaced them with the currect DVR functions under the new software. The judge will rule in favor of DISH because this is how the standards govern the current contempt decision.

2) The court order does not say DISH may not continue to use those DVRs, only the DVR functions under the old software must be removed, once that is done, the DVRS can be used any way they want, as long as they no longer infringe on the Tivo patent. So if for whatever the reason DISH decides to actually disable the DVR functions, yet not replace them with another set of DVR functions, it will be perfectly fine for them to update the software for those receivers so they continue to work as if there is no harddrives in them.

What I am saying is, even if the current DVRs may not be used at all once the hard drives are dead, because the way the current software is designed (which is not true according to the evidence provided by many users), it will still be easy to update the software so the receivers will continue to function as if they did not have hard drives.

Of course if those DVRs become non-DVRs, you can be sure you will not pay the DVR fees, and most likely DISH will offer you some kind of monthly discounts until they can replace your DVRs with the newer models, for free, so you can again use the DVR functions.

But rest assured, you will be able to continue to use your DVRs, don't listen to all those Tivo folks, they are everywhere trying to spread misinformation. Some of them are Tivo investors we already know, and you will just have to decide how much you can trust what they want to tell you.

[Fitzie]

The court ordered the DVRs on the list to have "the DVR functions" disabled. It has two meanings:

1) Any patent lawyer will tell you "the DVR functions" stated in the order only refers to the DVR functions operated by the old infringing software, so if such DVR functions under the old software are gone, the order is obeyed. DISH did just that, they removed the DVR functions by the old software, and replaced them with the currect DVR functions under the new software. The judge will rule in favor of DISH because this is how the standards govern the current contempt decision.

2) The court order does not say DISH may not continue to use those DVRs, only the DVR functions under the old software must be removed, once that is done, the DVRS can be used any way they want, as long as they no longer infringe on the Tivo patent. So if for whatever the reason DISH decides to actually disable the DVR functions, yet not replace them with another set of DVR functions, it will be perfectly fine for them to update the software for those receivers so they continue to work as if there is no harddrives in them.

What I am saying is, even if the current DVRs may not be used at all once the hard drives are dead, because the way the current software is designed (which is not true according to the evidence provided by many users), it will still be easy to update the software so the receivers will continue to function as if they did not have hard drives.

Of course if those DVRs become non-DVRs, you can be sure you will not pay the DVR fees, and most likely DISH will offer you some kind of monthly discounts until they can replace your DVRs with the newer models, for free, so you can again use the DVR functions.

But rest assured, you will be able to continue to use your DVRs, don't listen to all those Tivo folks, they are everywhere trying to spread misinformation. Some of them are Tivo investors we already know, and you will just have to decide how much you can trust what they want to tell you.

Thanks for a reasoned argument with no Tivo taint.

fitzie

[Jerryinvirginia]

[sarcasm on] yes, we all want our DVRs to be turned off [sarcasm off]

PS This is not a "chat group". Chat is an older internet application where you type something, and then ten other people type things, ignoring you entirely, causing your statement to scroll up to the top of the screen and disappear.

This is a Discussion Forum.

There is actually a Chat Room on this site, you have to click on the link marked "Chat Room".

CHAT GROUP or DISCUSSION Forum.....whatever....think that it would be interesting to see how the thoughts of those persons who either have or don't have E* DVR hardware or might not be a E* customer feel. I've seen other topics handled in a similiar way. Maybe a survey???? Yes..No vote?

[jacmyoung]

A forum poll is not scientific, one person with multiple accounts can skew the vote easily.

Just in case there are those that take such forum polls too seriously

[Zero327]

I think Charlie should shut off every single DVR for an entire day, and replace the programming on all DVR's with a banner that says

TIVO MADE US!

Don't like it?
1-800-BAD-TIVO (route to Tivo corporate office)

[jacmyoung]

I think Charlie should shut off every single DVR for an entire day, and replace the programming on all DVR's with a banner that says

TIVO MADE US!

Don't like it?
1-800-BAD-TIVO (route to Tivo corporate office)

This one is too good to beat!

[apollog]

If Charlie loses the fight, would that qualify for terms of all E* subs to get out of their contracts because now E* is not delivering the service that they signed up for(DVR)?

[apollog]

Eric Sahl is preparing his speech and taping it right now.

[Slamminc11]

If Charlie loses the fight, would that qualify for terms of all E* subs to get out of their contracts because now E* is not delivering the service that they signed up for(DVR)?

Nope!