Dish's FCC Filing on E-14 Satellite to 119 W

[nelson61]

OK then... But whatever happened to E13? Too unlucky to build?

It was for the Chinese (S band if I remember correctly), failed the tech specs and is laying in a warehouse. They are talking of scrapping it.

[nelson61]

A first look at the Echostar 14 Conus Footprint.

Red is about 40 dBw.

Mexico City viewers are not going to be happy with a dBw of about 30.

[digiblur]

A first look at the Echostar 14 Conus Footprint.

Red is about 40 dBw.

Mexico City viewers are not going to be happy with a dBw of about 30.

Tight footprint! Excellent work nelson61... you're fast!

[Stargazer]

If Echo 13 was not going to get launched then why not name this one going up Echo 13?

[digiblur]

If Echo 13 was not going to get launched then why not name this one going up Echo 13?

Because there's already a satellite called Echo13 on the ground.

Even if you don't release a 3.5 version of a piece of software because something just wasn't right with it. You don't call it 3.5 when you release the next version. You call it 3.6 so no one gets confused in the documentation and books with 3.6 and 3.5.

[mike123abc]

It was for the Chinese (S band if I remember correctly), failed the tech specs and is laying in a warehouse. They are talking of scrapping it.

Ouch - probably a $100 million door stop...

[RVD420]

It was for the Chinese (S band if I remember correctly), failed the tech specs and is laying in a warehouse. They are talking of scrapping it.

I would hope that the bird can be re-purposed.

[rocatman]

I think 6,000 kg is around the limit for Sea Launch. I think 4,200 is around the limit for Proton, so it is obviously out. This might be a job for Ariane 5 or Atlas V. Atlas V last year did a heavier SS/L sat than E14.

There is the possibility of Dish squeezing it on a Zenit-3. I think Sea Launch has been trying to upgrade their vehicle for larger payloads. Their website though says payload capacity of 6100+ kg.

[HDRoberts]

There is the possibility of Dish squeezing it on a Zenit-3. I think Sea Launch has been trying to upgrade their vehicle for larger payloads. Their website though says payload capacity of 6100+ kg.

Well, let's look at everyone schedule (from nasaspaceflight.com)

Sea Launch:
2009
4 October – Eutelsat W7 – 3SL/DM-SL – SL

2010
Second half – XM 5 – 3SL/DM-SL – SL
Fourth quarter – SkyTerra 2 – 3SL/DM-SL – SL (or first quarter 2011)
End of year - O3b Networks (8 satellites) - 3SL/DM-SL - SL

2011
First quarter - Intelsat 17 - 3SL/DM-SL - SL

Note: Land Launches excluded.

Sea Launch would seem to have plenty of room, but I believe there is some major Commander/Odyssey work to be done, plus some Zenit supply chain issues.

Ariane 5:

2009
24 June - TerreStar-1 - Ariane 5 ECA (V189)
August - Amazonas-2 / SatcomBW-2A - Ariane 5 ECA (V190)
Third quarter - NSS 12 - Ariane 5
Third quarter - Optus D3 - Ariane 5
Third quarter - JCSAT-12 - Ariane 5
November - COMS-1 - Ariane 5
December - Helios-IIB - Ariane 5 GS
Fourth quarter - Thor-6 - Ariane 5
Fourth quarter - Arabsat 5A - Ariane 5(or Proton from Baikonur)
Fourth quarter - INSAT-4G - Ariane 5
Fourth quarter - Astra 3B - Ariane 5

2010
First quarter - Badr 5 - Ariane 5 (or Proton from Baikonur)
June - Nilesat 201 - Ariane / Soyuz
Third quarter - SES Satellite (AMC-?R) - Ariane
Second half - BSat-3b - Ariane
Second half - Koreasat 6 - Ariane / Soyuz
10 November - ATV-2 "Johannes Kepler" - Ariane
Fourth quarter - Yahsat-1A - Ariane
Fourth quarter - Intelsat New Dawn - Ariane 5 / Soyuz
end of 2010 - Hispasat 1E - Ariane
Rascom-QAF 1R - Ariane 5 / Soyuz
TerreStar-2 - Ariane 5

2011
January - MSG-3 - Ariane
Second quarter - Astra 1N - Ariane
First half - BSAT-3c/JCSAT-110R - Ariane 5 ECA
Third quarter - Arabsat 5C - Ariane 5 ECA
Second half - Yamal 401 - Ariane 5 ECA
Second half - Yamal 402 - Ariane 5 ECA
Türksat 4A - Ariane 5
ATV-3 - Ariane

Note: Soyuz and Vega launches excluded

There seems to be some space at the beginning of 2010 there.

Atlas V:

2009
Date - Satellite(s) - Rocket - Launch Site - Time (GMT)
17 June - LRO/LCROSS - Atlas V 401 - Canaveral - 21:32-22:32
17 July - PAN - Atlas V 401 - Canaveral - 20:02:35-23:02:35 - or 21 July
14 August - DMSP-5D3-18 - Atlas V 401 - Vandenberg - 16:12-16:22 - or 20 October
18 September - Intelsat 14 - Atlas V 431 - Canaveral - or 25 August
6 November - SDO - Atlas V 401 - Canaveral - or 14 October

2010:
Date - Satellite(s) - Rocket - Launch Site
January - X-37B OTV-1 - Atlas V 501 - Canaveral
March - GPS-IIF-2 - Atlas V 401 - Canaveral
May - SBIRS-GEO 1 - Atlas V 401 - Canaveral
July - MUOS-1 - Atlas V 551 - Canaveral
September - GPS-IIF-3 - Atlas V 401 - Canaveral
October - NRO L-34 (NOSS?) - Atlas V 401 - Vandenberg?
November - AFSPC-2 - Atlas V 541 - Canaveral

2011:
Date - Satellite(s) - Rocket - Launch Site
February - AEHF-1 - Atlas V 531 - Canaveral
March - NRO L-41 (Imp. Lacrosse?) - Atlas V 501 - Vandenberg
March - X-37B OTV-2 - Atlas V 501 - Canaveral
May - GPS-IIF-4 - Atlas V 401 - Canaveral
11 August - Juno - Atlas V 551 - Canaveral
October (NET) - MSL - Atlas V 541 - Canaveral

Note: Non Atlas V launches excluded

Not sure if there is space there or not.

A Delta IV Medium+ could do it, too.

I think the best bets are Arianespace or Sea Launch.

[HDRoberts]

One other thing as I reread the summary.

Anyone else think Echostar 15 might have a similar configuration? A satellite like this could completely replace E3 AND E12.

Seeing the incredible capabilities of E11 and now E14, it is clear Dish is not skimping on their satellites.

Looking it up, it seems Nimiq 5 and Quetzsat 1 will both be SS/L 1300 sats. Let's hope the Dish design philosophy carried through on these sats, too.